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is he under search warrant?

00:18

oh apparently a woman was detained in his house and he's been arrested for human trafficking

00:19

sounds like the end for him

greta thunberg 1 - 0 andrew tate

He's such a nob head

yabai!

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А тi що зробиш?

Meekrioz

Andrew Tate and his brother just got arrested in Romania

I don't know this person, but this kind of setup is criminal. Who puts a curved screen above another curved screen? Just get a 40" screen if you feel like destroying your neck looking all around. The thin excuse of a membrane keyboard can't be comfortable for typing. And why is the Macbook in front of the screen? If you open it up, you'll be covering part of the screen, having to awkwardly look above it...

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kek

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Andrew Tate's setup gets destroyed with Facts and Logic

What having to much money looks like

Bruv he had such a lame comeback

11:58

Gets 2 pizza boxes and says "don't recycle these" lmao

11:58

Big flex

11:58

https://twitter.com/bundesking26/status/1608222986879860740?s=20&t=F1-f82-xPmhJJVDX87Nj9g

BK (@bundesking26)

@Cobratate @Morpheusresist @GretaThunberg Bro what have you done… you took the bait and put THIS on the internet

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Cipy29

Gets 2 pizza boxes and says "don't recycle these" lmao

these 2 pizza boxes revealed his address to the authorities in romania

I hate when that happens

Meekrioz

these 2 pizza boxes revealed his address to the authorities in romania

I think they just needed the fact that he was in romania, but yeah

youre all sheep

13:04

its obvious he put the pizza boxes there, he wanted to get busted so he can get massive fame. look, whole world is talking about him now.

13:06

for example kim kardashian sex tape. nobody who knew she was before. it was "leaked" for fame. then everyone knew kim kardashian

ok but he's already super well known

13:14

how is getting arrested doing any good for him, other than resurfacing to the people who already know his name

because he'll get released in a few days or weeks and now whole world knows his name, not just his previous fans

13:19

think about it

13:19

he's only known cuz he is an absolute dick

13:20

getting arrested just helps him get more exposure of being a dick

13:20

he'll make money from this scandal fo sho

Blade

because he'll get released in a few days or weeks and now whole world knows his name, not just his previous fans

on human trafficking's charges? i mean i guess if bribing authorities works out for him

bruh its romania xd

kek

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now I know him just coz of you're guys discussing him justatest

justatest

kek

The thing is rank 1 team 0 gigachad

gigachad

First time i heard of it i thought of TATA Power ( and other TATA companies in india)

Blade

he's only known cuz he is an absolute dick

i donated $10 to him because i like dicks

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gigachad

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15:15

wait

justatest

just a test? justatest

justatest

snail

i donated $10 to him because i like dicks

check DMs (edited)

justatest

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God I hope he rots in jail just so @Blade turns out to be wrong

I too hope I'm wrong

куда пинговать модеров

17:48

@Ham5terzilla (Макс)

snail

i donated $10 to him because i like dicks

the 10 skeletons appear @keb

cyberFighter

the 10 skeletons appear @keb

lol

Is there anything interesting to download? I have to much free space on my hdd

what

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i can give u 200gb tw demos

justatest

1

I have my own demos

Jupstar ✪

i can give u 200gb tw demos

It would be more like 50 after compression

its around 30gb with lzma2

Impressive

20:38

For me deflate works the best

20:39

In 30 years 200gb is gonna be nothing

20:39

If we find a better technology

20:45

Omg, people are complaining about fireworks once again

20:45

It happens every year

good that i have active noise canceling

I think there is a reason that we only allow fireworks once a year

20:46

Animals will survive

20:49

Evidence around the impacts of fireworks on animal health is inconclusive.

20:49

some random pdf

just compressed by current auto dir, 7.6GB in 1.2GB

7.6 is a bit less than 200gb

yeah i have many compressed files laying around

20:51

i compress them all few months to save some disk

I am rich and i store my demos on an ssd

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20:51

me2 xd

20:51

at least the second part

But i make backups

20:52

In order for backups to be useful you need to keep the original files too

over 40GB are just compressed demos xd

pilonpl

In order for backups to be useful you need to keep the original files too

u can simply distribute the backups over multiple drives

20:53

then they are just as useful

20:53

i mean u usually dont touch the original files anyway

Do you use some software for backups?

not for these demos and usually i dont really care about backing up stuff i store stuff in the cloud. the stuff on computer i'd take the risk of losing them

Cloud services are expensive

yeah

20:56

home server

Also don't try storing any copyrighted material

isnt everything copyrighted xd

I mean kinda

in germany its weird anyway. u are allowed to make a private copy its not illegal, kinda grey zone. but u are not allowed to share it obviously

In poland piracy is legal

20:58

Lol

20:59

I mean, only sharing is illegal

20:59

Downloading is legal

20:59

Afaik

20:59

Except software

downloading is illegal here, but usually only uploaders are hunted

Downloading pirated software isn't legal

but e.g. streaming is hard to say again

20:59

its on the edge to illegal

There is no one to enforce the law anyway

21:04

I'd say you should never pirate indie games

21:04

Everything else is mostly fine

well since i mostly play online games, i usually also buy it ^^

21:04

else online mode doesnt work anyway

21:04

more annoying is nintendo

worst hardware
good games

21:05

i'd pay more if i wouldnt need to buy this useless trash switch xD

Switch is expensive

21:05

+ games are expensive

yes, and trash xd

And even if you buy a game they can take it back at any moment lol

Helo

Ho

21:06

Hi

Learath2

Helo

Halo

How are you fine ppl doing this evening?

i'm doin fine, i am all prepared for the new year

21:09

only 26hours left

This year was

21:11

Not very good

21:11

I think

21:11

Year is only a number anyways

true, but its still a nice way to say "finally this shit year is over" ^^

I don't remember like 90% stuff that happend this year

21:19

I am happy that ukraine still does exist

21:19

Because poland is next

if the most stupid war in europe ends next year i'd call that a success already xd

It probably won't end so soon

21:20

It's already been almost a year

sadly that's very likely yeah

21:20

it will slow down and speed up probably

the thing is rank 1 team 0

pilonpl

Not very good

I haven't had a good year in 6 years, starting to get used to it

Some people say that life is not fair

21:32

But i think it's fair exactly because it's not fair to everyone

That might just be a little too profound for my drunk brain. The fact that it's unfair is fair?

I mean yeah

21:34

It's not fair that some people don't have food

21:34

But it's just chance

21:34

And chance is fair

I guess your point might be that it is equally unfair to everyone. But is it really? Is it as unfair to people born into an emerald empire?

21:35

It is indeed just chance, but it's not like you consent to taking part in this lottery. You are just born to a random person. You don't ask to be born really

Some people are just lucky but anyone can be lucky

Learath2

It is indeed just chance, but it's not like you consent to taking part in this lottery. You are just born to a random person. You don't ask to be born really

That's the only issue

21:36

But at least everyone is forced to live

21:36

So that's fair too

This is where it gets a little philosophical, but I feel it's a little pointless thinking about these. Whether it's fair or not has no bearing on the fact that I absolutely hate it and I haven't had an unlucky life at all

21:39

Most would call my problems absolutely trivial

I understand

21:40

The point is that fairness depends on how deep you look

21:41

You can always say it's not fair that you are not good at maths

21:41

Because your brain is constructed this way

21:41

So like

21:41

I guess deciding if life is fair isn't really useful

Atleast not for the issue at hand

21:44

Anyway, enough traumadumping. I hear it's rude

Btw imagine what if the universe will collapse and everything will start over again

21:46

And another life could be created

21:46

And everything

21:46

Lol

People quick @Learath2 is talking flood chat with cyrlic alphabet

pilonpl

Btw imagine what if the universe will collapse and everything will start over again

I honestly would be okay with any kind of worldending event

Overlord

People quick @Learath2 is talking flood chat with cyrlic alphabet

Нет

(´༎ຶོρ༎ຶོ`)

Learath2

I honestly would be okay with any kind of worldending event

Just let it be painless and quick

And no afterlife

21:51

Like imagine

21:51

Being born

21:51

And going to hell

21:52

If you never was born that would be better for you lil

Meekrioz

Just let it be painless and quick

Eeh. Honestly, I don't quite care. It won't matter when the world ends whether you die quick or not

Learath2

Eeh. Honestly, I don't quite care. It won't matter when the world ends whether you die quick or not

i rather die quick and painless* than slow and painful (edited)

IIII, don't quite care anymore

I'd like to become a pro ddnet player so i need time i think

you can't go pro in this game

21:53

Nerdge

Too hard

Also if i'd like to kill myself i could always wait a day because it's not like it matters anyways if i am gonna die

21:54

This logic just sounds so correct

I'm sure there is a paradox for that. I can't quite remember it's name

It's a proof that life is meaningless i think

I think it can only be truly resolved if you don't believe in any kind of afterlife. In that case you can argue that nothing is better than suffering

It is better

21:56

But humans like livong for some reason

21:57

That probably doesn't have anything to do with evolution

21:57

And survival

Well ofc it does. The longer you live the higher chance you get to reproduce. Survival is essential

Yup

21:58

That was a joke

21:58

But

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Text

21:58

Isn't good at expressing jokes like this

22:00

I don't actually care about the meaningless of life, i never feel bad because life is meaningless lol

@Learath2 become religious. The reason religion survived thru time is because many people need something like it to find meaning in life/stay sane

For me religion doesn't help

I refuse, I’d rather die than believe in pixie dust

I think it's much easier to believe you don't go to hell and that your dead family doesn't look at your every move

22:04

Idk why there even should be afterlife

22:05

There wasn't any beforelife

There might have been a beforelife that you forget. These things are unfalsifiable. You can believe in them if you feel like it and I can’t disprove it and you can’t prove it

If i can't remember it, is it even useful to say that it does in fact exist?

Learath2

I refuse, I’d rather die than believe in pixie dust

You don't need to believe in what other ppl believe, you can believe in your own thing, as long as you force yourself to believe that there's something higher than you in life that is a power of good and truth

Why tho

22:09

Not believing in anything is fine

Also go to church where there's other ppl with the same positive mindset

pilonpl

Not believing in anything is fine

It is probably useful to believe in something higher when you are completely lost. Because then you can always pawn off the blame. “OH it was obviously out of my control that I ruined my life”

Maybe

22:11

For me it's not necessary

“It was god”, “It was the way I oriented my bed”, “It was my 7th chakra being closed”, “It was the alignment of saturn”

22:12

I feel it’s just a way to avoid the truth. No it was me who ruined my life, not anyone else

Exactly

the problem with modern religion , whether it be a belief in an omnipotent being that watches over us that we have to obey, or whether it be worshiping a potato, most people use it as an excuse to feel good or look good in front of others. an excuse to make them feel like they are doing the right thing

22:13

So in general, i would say, your best bet is just being a decent person in general regardless of you are other people beliefs

Why tho

22:14

I think you just do whatever you want

22:14

You might want to be a decent person

Tristis

So in general, i would say, your best bet is just being a decent person in general regardless of you are other people beliefs

Amen, just be a decent person. It’s not that hard, you don’t need a higher power to keep you “moral”

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But I wouldn't say you must be good or something

Yeah, you could do that, and it's probably easier, but imo being a decent person gives us a reason. Although its not that deep considering we dont know what happens next after death, at least it gives others comfort and reason

It's pretty safe to assume there is no afterlife

Tristis

So in general, i would say, your best bet is just being a decent person in general regardless of you are other people beliefs

You might enjoy stoicism, while earlier stoic philosophers did rely on some higher being to justify their ideas, you can still make some use of what they say if you personally believe being a decent person is important to you

Stoicism is stupid

22:18

I like emotions

22:18

I don't feel strong emotions often

Learath2

Amen, just be a decent person. It’s not that hard, you don’t need a higher power to keep you “moral”

Bruv I was thinking like you (obviously, that's what pretty much all the children of the internet end up thinking). Now I don't believe in any religion 'fairy tale' or smth like that, just in a higher power demanding discipline, truth, sacrifice, morals. Why? Because it results in higher levels of happiness. Thats the point I was making. There's something about humans that synergizes with religion. That's why religion's existamce is so strong/why religion developed all over the world

Learath2

You might enjoy stoicism, while earlier stoic philosophers did rely on some higher being to justify their ideas, you can still make some use of what they say if you personally believe being a decent person is important to you

Yeah i would agree, i do in fact believe in a higher being, however, i feel regardless of what you and other peoples decisions are, the best thing you can do in this life, whether or not we get another, is to try and be a decent person (edited)

Try This One Quick Lifehack For Higher Happiness

Why believe in something you can't prove existence of?

You were talking about the truth, and that's the most important thing to me. What I observed is that religious people are happier

22:22

So I did that cause I was (rly) sad

i have my own experiences and i've heard others, but converting or proving to you or others that 'god' exists dosn't really concern me

22:22

i believe its your choice to look and decide to believe or not

Ofc

For me to become religious of any kind I’d have to suffer some kind of serious head trauma

XD

Learath2

For me to become religious of any kind I’d have to suffer some kind of serious head trauma

I regret becoming an atheist but it's not like it was a choice anyway

Whether it’s god, or pixie dust, or zeus, or the flying teapot. It’s such an insane concept to me that an unfalsifiable entity has any effect on my life that I really actually would have to go insane before I believe in it

I'm not trying to say that you should believe in god or that your bad for not, what i'm saying is, regardless of your beliefs, you should try to be decent anyway.

22:24

imo

to me god is just an "excuse" to not question our existience. But in the end it doesn't solve the same question: "Why does god exists?"

Religion sometimes can be harmful for example when someone doesn't want to get medical help because got will save them

Damn why off topic always got the strongest topics

22:25

And they start when im not around

Why do humans exist? bcs god made us. Why does god exists? HE ALWAYS EXISTED BRA

Alexander

Damn why off topic always got the strongest topics

It’s me being depressed. When I get a gf we’ll go back to talking about boring stuff

Jupstar ✪

to me god is just an "excuse" to not question our existience. But in the end it doesn't solve the same question: "Why does god exists?"

exactly, like i said before, thats what all modern religions are actually for.

22:26

and thats why most people are relegious (edited)

just watch some shounen anime to get moral

just an excuse imo

Learath2

It’s me being depressed. When I get a gf we’ll go back to talking about boring stuff

When I'm depressed I just think about how I think that there is nothing when you die and that kinda keeps me alive

22:27

Kinda sad

For some reason some people think that laws of thermodynamics prove god

i personally dont really care, i cannot prove nor disprove smth like god. But i really hate ppl that want to convince me xD (edited)

But these laws only work insode the universe

Jupstar ✪

Why do humans exist? bcs god made us. Why does god exists? HE ALWAYS EXISTED BRA

And it’s an answer to every question you can ever ask. Why is there gravity? God. How fast do things fall under it’s influence? As fast as god wants

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Yup

god is the computer we are simulated in

22:27

ez

Yeah religious people always try to explain religion without logic

Religion can sometimes slow down science

econemy is also behind science quite a bit actually

And worst of them all: "You exist to prove to God that you are a decent human being as an ultimate test to see if you are worthy of going to heaven"

Because there is no need to explain why people have cancer, god gives cancer

Alexander

Yeah religious people always try to explain religion without logic

I mean it’s unfalsifiable, there can be no logic to it. If you believe in it, good for you, I bet it’s much easier when you have an entity that can fill any hole in your life or understanding

Learath2

I mean it’s unfalsifiable, there can be no logic to it. If you believe in it, good for you, I bet it’s much easier when you have an entity that can fill any hole in your life or understanding

Exactly

Alexander

And worst of them all: "You exist to prove to God that you are a decent human being as an ultimate test to see if you are worthy of going to heaven"

If God made me then he should know if im worthy of going to heaven monkalaugh

monkalaugh

I honestly probably would have been happier if I was a religious person

life is god's noobfilter

Btw people had to create this rule that suicide is a sin

Learath2

I mean it’s unfalsifiable, there can be no logic to it. If you believe in it, good for you, I bet it’s much easier when you have an entity that can fill any hole in your life or understanding

Yea just do that. And go to church. And say the prayers. Your ancestors got to be your ancestors also by having faith/religion (that's where religion comes from). Stop trying to pretend you're better than your ancestors. Accept your human limitations.

pilonpl

Btw people had to create this rule that suicide is a sin

So people don't kill themselves

Learath2

I honestly probably would have been happier if I was a religious person

u can also simply believe that everything happens as is, math proving itself for infinity lol then u can just blame math xd

Learath2

I honestly probably would have been happier if I was a religious person

It's a choice bruv I've only been religious since 2 weeks kek

kek

Knuski

life is god's noobfilter

Life is a trial is a quite interesting take that has survived such a long time. I think even some in ancient egypt discussed it

@Learath2 do you think someone can only be depressed if he wants to live? (even if its just a slight way of living) Or can a person that truely doesnt care about life be depressed?

Jupstar ✪

@Learath2 do you think someone can only be depressed if he wants to live? (even if its just a slight way of living) Or can a person that truely doesnt care about life be depressed?

I think some level of wanting to live has to be involved. If you truly didn’t want to live and believe in no afterlife, as Epictetus says, the door is open

Everyone can be depressed lol

22:34

That's how humans work

pilonpl

Everyone can be depressed lol

well budhists or some indian ppl dunno which term is correct want to free themself from desire

22:35

freeing themself from the desire to live, is the state of enlightenment

Knuski

life is god's noobfilter

god when the pseudofliers arrive

Jupstar ✪

@Learath2 do you think someone can only be depressed if he wants to live? (even if its just a slight way of living) Or can a person that truely doesnt care about life be depressed?

Though, I guess it sort of depends on how you define depression. We are bags of chemicals after all, nothing says your thoughts can’t contradict

cyberFighter

god when the pseudofliers arrive

cyberFighter

god when the pseudofliers arrive

They have a special place in heaven for them

I think that atoms is all there is

do dogs go to heaven?

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pilonpl

I think that atoms is all there is

Poor quarks AnyaSob

AnyaSob

even tho i dont really believe in buddha or smth like afterlife. i actually like the concept of freeing your mind from specific desires. But i defs often fail at trying

and i'm also dont really like to meditate it still helps me not desiring everything. but more as a challenge. No alcohol, no meat etc.

Learath2

Poor quarks AnyaSob

AnyaSob

Yeah, atoms maybe aren't the smallest element but you get the point

Knuski

do dogs go to heaven?

Depends on your religion I guess. Afaik, if you so desire your pets will be in heaven if you do go there in Islam

Learath2

Depends on your religion I guess. Afaik, if you so desire your pets will be in heaven if you do go there in Islam

Actually some sects even believe they will definitely go to heaven whether you want them or not

Also the concept of free will is extremely weird

22:40

What does it mean to have a free choice lol

22:40

Like it doesn't make sense

22:41

Is it something that isn't deterministic but also isn't random?

Learath2

Depends on your religion I guess. Afaik, if you so desire your pets will be in heaven if you do go there in Islam

well what happens to all the other animals xd? do they have their own heaven? (edited)

22:41

or are animals just some tools for humans survival

Depending on the flavour of whatever religion you believe in it might be different

Jupstar ✪

even tho i dont really believe in buddha or smth like afterlife. i actually like the concept of freeing your mind from specific desires. But i defs often fail at trying

and i'm also dont really like to meditate it still helps me not desiring everything. but more as a challenge. No alcohol, no meat etc.

It's easier if you do it with other ppl in something you all believe as a sacred place. If you go there you can still keep your beliefs that all the ppl there are such fools to believe in some dude from 2k years ago being the son of god/any other religion. Just go there having the sense of religion/servitude to a higher being

Learath2

Depending on the flavour of whatever religion you believe in it might be different

thats the stupid thing

22:42

i can choose whatever religion even when every religion says: "Only follow me! Im the real God"

Cipy29

It's easier if you do it with other ppl in something you all believe as a sacred place. If you go there you can still keep your beliefs that all the ppl there are such fools to believe in some dude from 2k years ago being the son of god/any other religion. Just go there having the sense of religion/servitude to a higher being

problem is i simply dont believe in such places

Wdym

its just as possible that all this chat is just imagination in my head

Knuski

i can choose whatever religion even when every religion says: "Only follow me! Im the real God"

You pick one, if it’s not the correct one you burn in hell. Rip to you

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why would it help to go to some sacred place?

what if this life is already the sacred place

22:44

what if its the hell

true

22:44

xd

Learath2

You pick one, if it’s not the correct one you burn in hell. Rip to you

I guess only as long as a religion that believes in a hell is the correct one. We might also end up reincarnated as rats

wow this is hell, thats quite an easy hell hehehe

Jupstar ✪

its just as possible that all this chat is just imagination in my head

No because it actually could be only in my head because only i am real

whaaaat maybe you are simply me

22:45

bcs i am defs real

No

Jupstar ✪

bcs i am defs real

That's what a fake person would say

22:45

Maybe we just live in matrix

Why would I have an answer to that? What I'm saying is that it does. Evidence: me saying so, all the happy people in the past saying so (the ancestors that got to reproduce/pass on tradition).

No, I’m the only real one

And machines use us as batteries

22:46

Which makes literally no sense at all

ofc it does

22:46

never watched the matrix?

I watched it

22:46

But can't they just burn coal?

There is one huge harm to humanity with the decline of religion. It's that feeling of community

Learath2

There is one huge harm to humanity with the decline of religion. It's that feeling of community

isnt the only religion with rising numbers the islam?

Learath2

There is one huge harm to humanity with the decline of religion. It's that feeling of community

nazis have that feeling too

22:47

simply just for themself

Going to church every sunday. Going to the mosque on fridays. It brought people together. That is why if you elect me supreme leader of the world. I'm bringing back town hall meetings. Forced socialisation so none of you end up like me

@MilkeeyCat troll

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Idk, i don't really like church because of personal experience

22:48

And people also say some pretty bad stuff about it

Learath2

Going to church every sunday. Going to the mosque on fridays. It brought people together. That is why if you elect me supreme leader of the world. I'm bringing back town hall meetings. Forced socialisation so none of you end up like me

i guess that really depends on your country. u can do sports u can join esports club u can do party u can do many things to build up some kind of clique in the end thats some kind of community i guess

pilonpl

And people also say some pretty bad stuff about it

pedophiles?

Yup

yea thats disgusting

It's also only for money

tbf thats mostly a catholic problem

Jupstar ✪

i guess that really depends on your country. u can do sports u can join esports club u can do party u can do many things to build up some kind of clique in the end thats some kind of community i guess

Those are optional things. That is the issue. When you say Allah, or god demands your attendance or you will burn in hell, everyone has to show up

Jupstar ✪

i guess that really depends on your country. u can do sports u can join esports club u can do party u can do many things to build up some kind of clique in the end thats some kind of community i guess

Ddnet community

Learath2

Those are optional things. That is the issue. When you say Allah, or god demands your attendance or you will burn in hell, everyone has to show up

ah i see ur point

Being alive community

Knuski

isnt the only religion with rising numbers the islam?

That's because people realize that religion makes them happier. And the current people that go towards religion were as atheistic as we all are/were (we're all mostly the same since we've been on the same internet most our lives). And since they realize that religion is the way to go for a happier life they think they might as well go with the 'most religious' (most extreme) religion. Young ppl are also naturally extreme/rebellious

why do u even think religion makes ppl happier?

Cipy29

That's because people realize that religion makes them happier. And the current people that go towards religion were as atheistic as we all are/were (we're all mostly the same since we've been on the same internet most our lives). And since they realize that religion is the way to go for a happier life they think they might as well go with the 'most religious' (most extreme) religion. Young ppl are also naturally extreme/rebellious

good theory

Jupstar ✪

why do u even think religion makes ppl happier?

Idk why. It does tho

Jupstar ✪

why do u even think religion makes ppl happier?

u can say that its the way god wanted it, so its okay

Jupstar ✪

why do u even think religion makes ppl happier?

Probably made him happier. That's what creates more evangelists

Human nature I guess

Cipy29

Idk why. It does tho

It doesn't make me happier

22:52

Tbh i think religion only made me more sad

u r a special case then i think

Cipy29

Idk why. It does tho

i dunno bro. when i look into the world. the most criminal societies(to their own ppl) are the extreme religious ones

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i'd say freedom can make you happy too, even happier. but you have to learn to live on your own

Jupstar ✪

i dunno bro. when i look into the world. the most criminal societies(to their own ppl) are the extreme religious ones

Wdym? Communist countries were the most murderous (countimg numbers of murders). And communists only believe in the state/no higher being

I am surprised by the amount of atheist here on discord lol

Religions can give a meaning and a goal to life that some people lack and need.

Cipy29

Wdym? Communist countries were the most murderous (countimg numbers of murders). And communists only believe in the state/no higher being

communism in a total state.. i dunno

pilonpl

I am surprised by the amount of atheist here on discord lol

young people in general

i think that is already the lie itself

22:54

communism can't work, bcs not all ppl believe in it

22:54

if u force it its some weird discrimating shit, just as extreme religious states are

I'm giving advice to individuals. On the state level I'm liberal(libertarian)

Capitalism doesn't work either but it works better than communism

but u claimed religious ppl are happier i disagree with that

Cipy29

Wdym? Communist countries were the most murderous (countimg numbers of murders). And communists only believe in the state/no higher being

You know what, I think I'll need a citation on that

u could also say dumb ppl are happier

22:56

but does that imply all dumb ppl are religious?

I think just germany handily beats out both mao and stalin

Just because some people are religious and are happy doesn't mean everyone is like this

22:58

Maybe it's just that religion makes most people happy but there is this smaller group of people who are happier without religion

22:59

So ot doesn't really prove anything

Learath2

You know what, I think I'll need a citation on that

ChatGPT says 20-60 mil ppl killed by sovoet union within 50 years last century

Chat gpt is stupid

Learath2

I refuse, I’d rather die than believe in pixie dust

here, take some pixies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3oCS85HvpY

i'm cyborg but that's ok

Pixies - Where Is My Mind

in germany for example 42,0 % of all ppl are not directly connected to a religion https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religionen_in_Deutschland#Religionszugeh%C3%B6rigkeit_in_Deutschland I'd still say there are more than enough happy ppl in germany

pilonpl

Chat gpt is stupid

Thank god chatgpt can go to my house and kill me

Chatgpt also says std is built-in to rust. It can't be trusted

I mean, i always thought I wanted to be dead

Learath2

Chatgpt also says std is built-in to rust. It can't be trusted

sadly didnt escalate on rust discord

but its not directly wrong xDD

Jupstar ✪

Why do humans exist? bcs god made us. Why does god exists? HE ALWAYS EXISTED BRA

works as well for physics and the universe, just replace why with how

Well what evidence do you want xd( I know 0 ppl killed by communists)

23:01

Maybe thats the right number

Learath2

It’s me being depressed. When I get a gf we’ll go back to talking about boring stuff

a gf won't fix you, you gotta fix yourself first

Chairn

a gf won't fix you, you gotta fix yourself first

Very true

get a gf that is more depressed, then the definition of depressed shifts

23:02

u are the normal then

Or get professional help

Chairn

a gf won't fix you, you gotta fix yourself first

I am well aware of this. Think of it more as a last ditch effort to see if it works

pilonpl

Or get professional help

This is the best option

If that also doesn't work there isn't really anything else left to try. Since I don't believe in magic, due to the process of elimination there is nothing left that'll make me happy

Doesn't ddnet make you happy?

Learath2

If that also doesn't work there isn't really anything else left to try. Since I don't believe in magic, due to the process of elimination there is nothing left that'll make me happy

I don't believe in magic either

Learath2

If that also doesn't work there isn't really anything else left to try. Since I don't believe in magic, due to the process of elimination there is nothing left that'll make me happy

no hate but there are so many things u havent even considered trying, you are making the world too simple with that

Learath2

If that also doesn't work there isn't really anything else left to try. Since I don't believe in magic, due to the process of elimination there is nothing left that'll make me happy

drugs

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but the process can still be hard

how old r u learath

Cipy29

I don't believe in magic either

I don't believe in any other form of unfalsifiable things either

Even if believing in something like a god or whatever makes you happy it's not like you can just start believing whatever you want at any time

pilonpl

Even if believing in something like a god or whatever makes you happy it's not like you can just start believing whatever you want at any time

uh? of course you can start believing whatever you want?

Jupstar ✪

no hate but there are so many things u havent even considered trying, you are making the world too simple with that

I mean, honestly. If you can think about it and it's reasonable (no move to new zealand and breed llamas). I probably tried it or something close to it

Not really

Chairn

uh? of course you can start believing whatever you want?

I can't just start believing earth is flat because i am not convinced it is flat

Learath2

I don't believe in any other form of unfalsifiable things either

But do you believe in any form of good? Truth, morals etc

23:07

And that they are important?

that's why it's called belief

23:07

you don't need proof or counterproof

Learath2

I mean, honestly. If you can think about it and it's reasonable (no move to new zealand and breed llamas). I probably tried it or something close to it

move to France and breed goats

23:08

lots of people dit that

Everything is a belief, it's just that some beliefs are more true than others

im sorry but no, your existence is not a belief, it's a fact

Cipy29

But do you believe in any form of good? Truth, morals etc

Sure. But I don't really base it on anything other than I won't treat others in a way I wouldn't want to be treated unless it's extremely not in my interest

Chairn

im sorry but no, your existence is not a belief, it's a fact

you belief in facts?

Chairn

im sorry but no, your existence is not a belief, it's a fact

It's just wording, it doesn't really matter what a belief is

i believe in correct english

Tristis

how old r u learath

25. Basically a grandpa now

young boy

fair

I can't just convince myself that magic exist or god exists

he is 12 dont listen to him

pilonpl

It's just wording, it doesn't really matter what a belief is

it absolutely does. You can't do philosophy without proper definitions

23:09

otherwise, it's just dick contest

well idk, im not super old yet so im not running to existential crisis's yet

and intellectual fapping

Chairn

it absolutely does. You can't do philosophy without proper definitions

Yeah, that's why we should actually understand what each other mean instead of arguing about meaning of words

Jupstar ✪

he is 12 dont listen to him

Yeah sorry. I didn't mean to lie

what? you can't understand each other without having the same meaning to same words...

Chairn

it absolutely does. You can't do philosophy without proper definitions

but philosophie can evolve

Chairn

what? you can't understand each other without having the same meaning to same words...

But the particular word doesn't matter, we can just ise different words to better explain the idea

https://streamable.com/1jpk9j

you know philosophy is highly logical? That's why it's been performed by mathematicians for a long time

pilonpl

But the particular word doesn't matter, we can just ise different words to better explain the idea

as long as we agree on the meaning of those different words

pilonpl

But the particular word doesn't matter, we can just ise different words to better explain the idea

For me it's just not exactly possible to start believing in something

23:12

I need to be convinced that something is true

Eh, I think I agree with @Chairn here. Without definitions it's indeed pointless

Acrolol

https://streamable.com/1jpk9j

man u were almost killed by tux the linux pinguin, good thing the other guy killed ya instead

Chairn

you know philosophy is highly logical? That's why it's been performed by mathematicians for a long time

not sure if mathematicians agree :p

Jupstar ✪

man u were almost killed by tux the linux pinguin, good thing the other guy killed ya instead

AHHAA

okay, the historic part is probably exagerated, but the logical part is true

How can you discuss something without even agreeing on the meaning of the words you use for the discussion

Learath2

Eh, I think I agree with @Chairn here. Without definitions it's indeed pointless

problem is, lets say u in middle ages and try to talk about digital computers u probably cannot really word it but its still some kind of philosophy

Learath2

Eh, I think I agree with @Chairn here. Without definitions it's indeed pointless

I don't care what a belief means because even by chairn's definition I can't just create any belief i want in my head

that's your problem. We talk here about general case, not specific ones

23:14

Thought experiments are there for this

That's general for most people

no?

23:14

more than 1 billion christians and more than 1 billion muslims disagree (edited)

What

23:15

Christians are just convinced that thier god exist

23:15

And i am not convinced

Jupstar ✪

problem is, lets say u in middle ages and try to talk about digital computers u probably cannot really word it but its still some kind of philosophy

But if we were to talk about such a thing in the middle ages. We'd be talking about it in terms we already know, and we'd have to have the same definitions for those terms to arrive at the same results

And unless i am convinced i can't believie in thier god

If addition meant multiplication for you. We could never have a coherent discussion about our imaginary mehcanical computation aid thing

(edited)

Learath2

But if we were to talk about such a thing in the middle ages. We'd be talking about it in terms we already know, and we'd have to have the same definitions for those terms to arrive at the same results

but as far as i understod u and chairn u said without definitions u cannot do philosophy. But in this case you might evolve philosophy in itself and create new definitions

Definitions don't matter at all

I guess my point is that you still have to rely on well defined concepts to base your new definition on

We could be arguing about the definition of atheism

23:18

But it doesn't matter what atheism means

23:18

The only think that matters is what we want to talk about

Learath2

I guess my point is that you still have to rely on well defined concepts to base your new definition on

so basically axioms

Jupstar ✪

but as far as i understod u and chairn u said without definitions u cannot do philosophy. But in this case you might evolve philosophy in itself and create new definitions

so doing philosophy with definitions once again?

Learath2

I guess my point is that you still have to rely on well defined concepts to base your new definition on

It's a paradox lol

Chairn

so doing philosophy with definitions once again?

a axiom is not a definition

pilonpl

The only think that matters is what we want to talk about

But how could we properly understand what you mean if we don't share the same meanings of words

i don't think philosophy uses axioms

then i disagree with u

Learath2

But how could we properly understand what you mean if we don't share the same meanings of words

Yeah, that's the issue of our current language, it's bad for communicating

philosophy does not require defintions to start with, but it might end up creating ones

Philosophy is stupid

pilonpl

Yeah, that's the issue of our current language, it's bad for communicating

As long as we agree on definitions beforehand it does kinda sorta work

I have a simple answer for every philosophical question

philosophy also requires definitions

23:20

you need at least something like "is"

Learath2

As long as we agree on definitions beforehand it does kinda sorta work

Exactly

Jupstar ✪

then i disagree with u

me?

Mfw we ended up in a discussion about epistemology at 0230

Why not

heinrich5991

you need at least something like "is"

so the "is" is an axiom

What is this, #tok? (edited)

tee_thinking

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Jupstar ✪

so the "is" is an axiom

ah, you're not calling axioms definitions? fine I guess

23:22

#tok?

Theory of Knowledge

Anyway, for me in order to believe in something i need to be convinced. It doesn't matter if something is a fact (if we assume absolute truth exist), i still can't just believe it without any proof

okay, philosophy does use some kind of axiom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_principle (edited)

First principle

In philosophy and science, a first principle is a basic proposition or assumption that cannot be deduced from any other proposition or assumption. First principles in philosophy are from First Cause attitudes and taught by Aristotelians, and nuanced versions of first principles are referred to as postulates by Kantians.In mathematics, first prin...

pilonpl

Anyway, for me in order to believe in something i need to be convinced. It doesn't matter if something is a fact (if we assume absolute truth exist), i still can't just believe it without any proof

isn't a fact, the proof itself?

23:24

or do you mean interpretation of facts?

heinrich5991

you need at least something like "is"

I think you also need a "not" of sorts, don't you?

How can you know something is a fact?

Learath2

I think you also need a "not" of sorts, don't you?

nah, don't think so

Ofc i think "a fact" is true

pilonpl

How can you know something is a fact?

u cannot, that's the idea of axioms

even "is" isn't really required

23:24

but something is

23:25

otherwise you can't do anything

But irl you don't know if something is a fact

u just say that an axiom is a fact even if u cannot actually prove it

this is what i found for logical axioms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom#Logical_axioms

An axiom, postulate, or assumption is a statement that is taken to be true, to serve as a premise or starting point for further reasoning and arguments. The word comes from the Ancient Greek word ἀξίωμα (axíōma), meaning 'that which is thought worthy or fit' or 'that which commends itself as evident'.The term has subtle differences in definition...

pilonpl

But irl you don't know if something is a fact

that doesn't sound like a useful definition of fact

@Learath2 i bet u are not depressed while sleeping

Jupstar ✪

u just say that an axiom is a fact even if u cannot actually prove it

Yeah because axioms kinda define truth

Jupstar ✪

@Learath2 i bet u are not depressed while sleeping

How could I be depressed with suspended thinking facilities?

23:26

I don't really dream anymore tho. Does that count?

how much do you sleep in average?

heinrich5991

that doesn't sound like a useful definition of fact

Yeah but i am trying to say that even if something is true i still need something to convince me that it is in fact true

23:27

I need to know something is a fact

Chairn

how much do you sleep in average?

8h exactly I'd guess. It's 7-9h mostly

And you don't just have this knowledge (that something is a fact) from the beginning

if you can't have a fact in real life, I would use a different definition of fact

23:28

because otherwise that word is about as useful as "spunk"

The point isn't even about facts lol

hmm, no sleep excess, that's pretty good i'd say

All i am trying to say is that i cant change my beliefs as i wish

that sounds contradictory to what a belief is

Why can't we attach gdb to our brains? That'd make life so much easier

For me belief is anything that i think is true

exception in module #6464894-vision, unicorn spotted

If i think dinosaurs exist, that's a belief

Chairn

hmm, no sleep excess, that's pretty good i'd say

I do sleep up to 10h when I'm turbodepressed, but that only happens every once in a month or so

pilonpl

For me belief is anything that i think is true

what about things that are false?

23:31

if i think dinosaurs didn't exist, it's also a belief

Yes

pilonpl

For me belief is anything that i think is true

so this definition is already proven false by yourself

It doesn't matter what it is anf if it's actually true

Chairn

so this definition is already proven false by yourself

What?

23:32

A belief is just my opinion about something

it seems to me that you're using words in an unusual fashion

pilonpl

All i am trying to say is that i cant change my beliefs as i wish

And that's the way i use the word "belief" here

I usually wouldn't call it opinion that I think stuff falls down when I drop it

I wouldn't either

23:34

But it's the closest thing i found to the word "belief"

A fact is a datum about one or more aspects of a circumstance, which, if accepted as true and proven true, allows a logical conclusion to be reached on a true–false evaluation. Standard reference works are often used to check facts. Scientific facts are verified by repeatable careful observation or measurement by experiments or other means.

23:35

this is e.g. the definition of fact by wikipedia

23:35

does that sound useful?

Yes i think

then we could call gravity a fact, no?

Yes

if accepted as true and proven true

key part of the definition

Epistemology is a little too heavy for 0230. I'll get some sleep, gn everyone

happy

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gn8

location leaked, UTC+4

it's only 0030 here

23:37

you back in Turkey?

00:37 for me

obviously rounded...

Chairn

you back in Turkey?

Yep, christmas holiday

well then, see ya next year

monkalaugh

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Words are just meant to be useful

Chairn

well then, see ya next year

Too early. You need to say that tomorrow

we are tomorrow

We are today

we are tomorrow

Gn

not sure ill be online tomorrow

But you might see me again before tomorrow. You need to say it later into the day atleast (edited)

Half of the world is tomorrow

pilonpl

Words are just meant to be useful

words are meant to carry a meaning

And the other half is yesterday

23:39

Right?

in 20 minutes, yes

Chairn

words are meant to carry a meaning

Carrying a meaning is useful

but being useful does not mean carrying a meaning

23:40

propositions are not equivalent

Chairn

in 20 minutes, yes

So who is today?

one includes the other

23:40

dunno, never saw this guy

But the whole point of this conversation was that i cant just decide to change a belief whenever i like

23:42

I need to be convinced it's true

23:42

By "belief" i mean anything that i think is true

23:42

Where i can also think that it's true that something is false

23:45

And if something is a fact then there is no problem because then by definition i am convinced it is true

I'd love to have a total message counter per channel. Bot cmd probably on top. But off topic and development often escalate

112291 for #off-topic (edited)

330000 messages for #general (edited)

349216 for #developer

350000 for #developer

23:53

nice

23:53

23:53

more chat in #developer than #general

uh no?

23:53

i got 404 432 for #general

#bot-cmds merely has 80000 (edited)

Because developers like to talk about thier development stuff especially when they don't have thier duck near them

heinrich5991

330000 messages for #general (edited)

where you got that number?

hmmmm

i forgot my duck at the office

now I also get 400 000 for #general

23:54

must have misread something

maybe it fetched them in the meantime

Considering there are less ppl actively talking in development still impressive

looks like #general got reset on 03/08/2017

Bot cmd and report are also rather new

There probably also is some guy explaining why linux arch is the best

But active every day^^

Jupstar ✪

Considering there are less ppl actively talking in development still impressive

i think you can remove ~15000 github bot messages

23:56

more like 10k maybe

pilonpl

There probably also is some guy explaining why linux arch is the best

It was ryo until a few months ago

23:58

Now gentoo is best xdd But not compiling yourself can be a nice time saver. That's why i don't use any of them

Idk, every os is possible to hack into

23:58

So every os is bad

23:58

There even was an exploit in minecraft

Log4j yd

23:59

Xd

I mean it's technically not only Minecraft

23:59

It's just the library minecraft uses

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