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do I need to add a category "game-mechanic" for each page in which there is something related to the logic of the game? for example in page hook there is a link to the category https://wiki.ddnet.org/wiki/Hook, but on the page death it is not https://wiki.ddnet.org/wiki/Death

Death

Death can be caused by the death tile , by going too far out of the map (>200 tiles), by issuing a kill command bound to k by default or by disconnecting from the server. The death tile has a larger hitbox than most other tiles like Teleporter and Freeze. The death tile is skippable with enough speed, but not directly with ‎ Ninja due to its...

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and the second thing, for what purpose there are separate categories for some things? for example a hook, why have a separate category, because for get page in different language can via langnavbox.

wow, I've never heard of them referred to as "death tiles". Only "kill tiles"

i think ninja page is outdated

22:48

you cant ninja through tele afaik

22:48

same for startline and end

The hook has a maximum range. Once the hook reaches its maximum range, it will reset. Note that if you move away from the hook, that maximum range is reached faster, and you won’t hook as far. However, you can hook further by moving into the general hook direction.

is this true? My understanding is that when moving away from a hook, the maximum range isn't reached faster, it's just that the maximum range ends up moving away from the target, therefor not reaching as far as if you didn't move. Same for moving toward a hook, the maximum range ends up being a bit futher, simply because your tee is closer at the moment it hits max range. I'm not positive about this tho, that's just what I've gathered from gameplay

Chairn

you cant ninja through tele afaik

I think that is still possible

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wasn't this fixed long ago?

tela

wow, I've never heard of them referred to as "death tiles". Only "kill tiles"

It's called death tiles in the source code. We can change the name to kill tiles in the wiki if that name is more commonly used.

it was fixed for things involving speed and movement, ninja teleports you forwards step by step and is able to skip tele this way iirc

Zwelf

It's called death tiles in the source code. We can change the name to kill tiles in the wiki if that name is more commonly used.

that's a good reason, maybe something like "death tiles (also known as kill tiles)"

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Zwelf

It's called death tiles in the source code. We can change the name to kill tiles in the wiki if that name is more commonly used.

also in official mapres

tela

The hook has a maximum range. Once the hook reaches its maximum range, it will reset. Note that if you move away from the hook, that maximum range is reached faster, and you won’t hook as far. However, you can hook further by moving into the general hook direction.

is this true? My understanding is that when moving away from a hook, the maximum range isn't reached faster, it's just that the maximum range ends up moving away from the target, therefor not reaching as far as if you didn't move. Same for moving toward a hook, the maximum range ends up being a bit futher, simply because your tee is closer at the moment it hits max range. I'm not positive about this tho, that's just what I've gathered from gameplay

When reading through the quoted description and your description I can't see the difference. Both seem to describe the same behavior?

tela

The hook has a maximum range. Once the hook reaches its maximum range, it will reset. Note that if you move away from the hook, that maximum range is reached faster, and you won’t hook as far. However, you can hook further by moving into the general hook direction.

is this true? My understanding is that when moving away from a hook, the maximum range isn't reached faster, it's just that the maximum range ends up moving away from the target, therefor not reaching as far as if you didn't move. Same for moving toward a hook, the maximum range ends up being a bit futher, simply because your tee is closer at the moment it hits max range. I'm not positive about this tho, that's just what I've gathered from gameplay

wanted to say the same. 'target' might be misleading, the hook only has a current position, length and direction afaik

I think that a tee's movement does not affect the length of time between hooking and reaching max range

22:55

"reached faster" seems to imply that it is a shorter period of time

Patiga

wanted to say the same. 'target' might be misleading, the hook only has a current position, length and direction afaik

ya target is not a good word, i meant like "the max range point"

22:58

but yeah, I don't think it's a shorter period of time, I think the max range point follows your tee. Relative to where you started, the hook doesn't go as far

It is in a shorter period of time. The hook has a constant speed. Each tick it is checked if the end point of the hook is farther than 380(?) away from the tee. If the the distance is reached, the hook gets retracted. If you move with the hook, the hook keeps extending for a longer period of time.

interesting

22:59

so that distance, 380, is checked from where the tee was when you started the hook?

the current position of the tee

but the hook extends at a constant speed right

yes

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each tick distance of 80 and max length of 380: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/4f02f6da9799e1041d8bd8cb685697d81190f0d0/src/game/tuning.h#L15-L16

hmm. I don't understand how if the hook extends at a constant speed, and ends when it is a consistent 380 from the current position of the tee, how it would end up being faster. But I do believe you lol

m_Pos is the position of the tee: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/4f02f6da9799e1041d8bd8cb685697d81190f0d0/src/game/gamecore.cpp#L269 This if the NewPos of the hook is too long and the hook should retract.

tela

hmm. I don't understand how if the hook extends at a constant speed, and ends when it is a consistent 380 from the current position of the tee, how it would end up being faster. But I do believe you lol

The hook itself doesn't get faster, it can just keep extending for a longer period of time if you move with it or a shorter period of time if you move away from it.

wouldn't that mean that that number, 380, changes to less or more then ?

23:06

depending on movement?

Yeah kinda, the 380 is measured each tick in relation to the current tee position. so if you fall with a constant speed of 80 down (and you hook straight down), the hook would be flying forever. If you fall really fast, you can even overtake your hook.

ahh interesting

23:10

good to know, thanks

Zwelf

Yeah kinda, the 380 is measured each tick in relation to the current tee position. so if you fall with a constant speed of 80 down (and you hook straight down), the hook would be flying forever. If you fall really fast, you can even overtake your hook.

you can do it in Behemoth

23:14

hook last quite long

Chairn

you can do it in Behemoth

ah yeah it does work ! hook lasts a super long time

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this changes a lot about how i thought hook worked

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Now I'm curious about this: if you're falling and you hook say at a 45 degree angle downward, at a certain speed the hook will shoot out horizontally, or even 45 degrees-ish upward. It looks like the hook is actually changing angles before it extends fully. How is the hook angle dictated then? Is it based on the max-range point at the moment when you hook?

Chairn

wasn't this fixed long ago?

Some race/solo and one novice map requires that, so i doubt it will be fixed, i actually even completed one of those like yesterday, so yeah, definitely not fixed

tela

Now I'm curious about this: if you're falling and you hook say at a 45 degree angle downward, at a certain speed the hook will shoot out horizontally, or even 45 degrees-ish upward. It looks like the hook is actually changing angles before it extends fully. How is the hook angle dictated then? Is it based on the max-range point at the moment when you hook?

The hook end point moves in the same direction all the time. In the direction the hook was started. Think of the hook as a separate point from the tee. Not a line ^^