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@<BµmM> @Freezy I reverted all changes on Adorenarine again and only applied the fix I asked them to fix. Can you guys confirm?

Thanks murpi

@murpi please delete the map, thx =]

09:48

i don't know what will konsti say about this and I don't rly care. We gave you final version of the map. The ranks were not harmed. You can't just fix what ever you want if mappers are available.

09:49

If you want to keep the map and you have problems with the ranks (which were not harmed) then keep the updated version of the map and remove the ranks.

Hey guys it's me TPaul pls delete all muleasy ranks k thx bye

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Hi "TPaul", no new version of the map (with changed parts) no ranks will be deleted, thx bye. (edited)

Just replace it with adorenarine gigachad

cheap troll

you need to try harder xD

Tsin

i don't know what will konsti say about this and I don't rly care. We gave you final version of the map. The ranks were not harmed. You can't just fix what ever you want if mappers are available.

I can and I did. Your definition of ranks not harmed is illogical. If a rank is done in a way which is no longer possible, it becomes invalid and obsolete, just like in any other game with a leaderboard.

You can't just fix what ever you want if mappers are available.

I could tell you the exact same. I requested one part to be fixed, but got several changes instead. I could keep the updated version and delete the ranks, that's true. But removing runs done on such a difficult map for some silly changes I didn't even ask for is disrespectful of their time.

10:36

Also you clearly care, for whatever reason. I can see you fuming all the way from germany.

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I already explained why I don't see any problem with current ranks to stay on changed version of the map and I'm not going to repeat myself. They (ddnet) see the problem then it's their problem. Now they (ddnet) need to choose from one of this options: 1. Revert back to version of the map from map creators and keep the ranks . (I rly don't see a problem of not keeping them and I already explaind it few times why those ranks were not harmed and why they wont make any diffrence in future - they are only problematic NOW because they are the only ranks done, as soon as they will be beaten then nobody will give a f... about them) 2. Revert back to version of the map from map creators and remove the ranks. 3. Remove the map completly and we will (hopely) get to some discussions about re-relase in future. I could tell you something about germany, heating, fuming, winter but I respect other german players so I will keep it to myself.

thank you @murpi the changes look good so far

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16:48

u can get stuck in the wall here apparently and I think the fix for this (one less unhookable tile on the left) should probably stay

way too many people died there before

I don't recommend playing current version of Adorenarine that is on ddnet. That is some unauthorised version and I don't know what will happen to ranks made on that version. Murpi made his own "fixes" whatever they are. We are still waiting for ddnet to pick one of three options that i gave.

We could prepare one final version of the map with all the fixes included (there are 2 more bugs that for some can be major for other will be very annoying - I didn't wrote about them earlier becuse I had no idea how it will turn out with the last version we gave - both of those bugs are graphical).

i still wonder why other changes have been made when you just write u will fix that 1 part issue and apparently others have been fixed

I never claimed that only one thing will be fixed. I received a version from Konsti which had those things made and I made some graphical fixes. Before giving that version to release I checked if it is still possible to beat rank 1 with more than few seconds or 1 minute or something.

It is defo possible to do rank1 easily even with fixed version but I don't get why fix those, they aren't even that bad skips, and they are such small ones too

Like I wrote for players who will master the map it will be "easy" to beat top1 with atleast 7 minutes (on fixed version). Those who will rly master it then 7minutes+ For everyone who can't realise why keeping those ranks on fixed version is bad. You think about today/now - sure it can be seen as unfair yet tomorrow/in future those ranks that are made today will be irrelevant because many other groups will beat them with "ease". In the past Adrenaline 4 had to be spliced into two because it was toooo hard and today we have 54 finishes. Current top1 ofc had it easier in few parts but still they needed mutlipitle attempts in other parts which aren't that hard. Its all about players skills. For some first parts will be very easy and they will do it closed eyes and for others they will be hard and they will need mutliple attempts. There will be a group of players for which those parts in which top1 had a difficulty for them they will be done in first try. (edited)

19:00

ddnet - making problems over something that in nearest future won't matter at all =[

19:02

7 minutes on map like Adorenarine is like 1 minute on skynet (eternity in speedrunning) xD

Note that you can only ask to have have your map declined until its marked as ready. If you understand the thought behind this rule, you know that when the map is published, the responsibility over the map rests with DDNet and no longer with a player.

a next made up rule ?

22:55

where such a rule is written ?

#📌info

nobody told me about such a rule also nothing like this is written here : https://ddnet.org/rules/ so map still belongs to the authors. DDNet only hosts under a simple authors-hoster agreement. Until authors are availabale then only they are allowed to make any change in the map. DDNet is allowed to make changes if author is absent or all authors of the map accepts.

DDNet is allowed to make changes if author is absent or all authors of the map accepts.

Where does this rule come from?

from a normal map maker - hoster agreement author is the only person who have the rights to his creation

23:03

ddnet only have license until author says so

23:05

i already wrote about how licensing works, somehow ddnet still cant accept the facts

23:07

also im not rly here to remove the map, I want to find a nice way for both sides so that map will be in the final version from authors and that maybe the ranks that now exist could stay (in future those ranks wont mean anything so theres rly no point in removing them)

Note that you can only ask to have have your map declined until its marked as ready.

You resign the right to decide if the map stays online, that's how I see it and you apparently don't.

oh btw about your map info, this map was never through discord release channel so that rules won't work here.

23:08

=]

ridiculous

not my problem how u see it just accept the facts ^^

23:10

i will write it once again, im not here to fight, im here to have both sides happy and move along and to work together in future on other projects. If the ranks rly cant stay then just remove them... =[

now i understand why patiga and heinrich are so keen on licenses

and get back to the final version of the map that I gave

you got told they dont want unnecessary changes [that effect current ranks] (edited)

it only affect the ranks in some kind of odd ideology, as soon as those ranks will be beaten then nobody will give a fuck about them.

Pressed about ranks and map justatest

ddnet cares about ranks (team unlock, swap, save, timeout... probably some more......) (edited)

23:14

from my point of view those ranks can stay because they are problematic only untill somebody will beat them

23:16

for players who will master the map then beating those ranks will be with "ease" atleast +7 minutes

23:21

ahh forgot about '/spec' thats also a cheat =]

I cant speak for the admins but its not logical for me to keep ranks which are not obtainable anymore Minecraft e.g. has different leader boards for different versions, even tho a newer version can beat the old versions, they are separated because you cant compare inbetween them If the ranks stay and someone beats these with 1 second, you might think the people are equally good but the fact is hidden that one rank is done with a version you cant play anymore

minecraft have ranks for only some versions many of the versions are dropped into the same bag

nevertheless everyone can compete on every version

going with your way of thinking then diffrences between those subversions are big enough that they shouldn't be in the same bag of ranks, yet they don't care

23:25

and here should be the same, just look at it not as a obtained with "skips" but by the way the players play

23:25

for some players some parts will be easy for others the same parts will be hard

in a case where several versions are thrown into one bag, everyone can play on every version here you are removing one version but still throw all into one bag? (edited)

so we can just assume that in those current ranks they just done the fixed parts on first try, still they wasted a lot of time in other parts in which other players will do them on first try

23:27

those current ranks can be beaten with a lot of time spare, removing them only for some ideology of "pure" ranks is just ehhhhh.... just a waste =[ (edited)

Yes its a waste and thats why these changes shouldnt be made that effects ranks (edited)

players should beat the map in the way the author predicted it to be. So all skips/cheats should be fixed. the only thing that should matter in time is the technique of compliting the part not by skipping it

This is not a strange ideology, this is the basic idea that all have the same condition