DDraceNetwork - developer

okay, something really weird is happening with the client on the map artic festivity. It looks like the client is trying to open some weird Windows setting

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03:12

i can't reproduce it, but i do have a black screen for a few frames when joining the map

03:13

ive seen a windows saying if i want to open an unsecured "page"

03:14

it seems to happen just before it transfers data to GPU

03:20

-------------------------------------------------- and a good news for us i hope https://www.europol.europa.eu/media-press/newsroom/news/global-crackdown-against-ddos-services-shuts-down-most-popular-platforms (edited)

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ddnet-maps

[ddnet-maps:master] 1 new commit

470092a A Arctic Festivity - ddnet-maps

Chairn

okay, something really weird is happening with the client on the map artic festivity. It looks like the client is trying to open some weird Windows setting

Look in the logs. I guess you run out of memory and it tries to clean all staging buffers

fokkonaut

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6158 Add F-DDrace gametype color

Been using this color already since a while. I'd like to keep it. !image !image

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit tes...

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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #6159 High memory peak during map loading, goes down just after

On Arctic Festivity during map loading I see RAM usage going up to 1.5 GB, then once it's loaded it stabilizes at 1.0 GB. We could look not to copy layers, or at least only keep one copied layer around, then deallocate the old one before allocating next.

ddnetjs

DDNet using 1.5G ram, what have we come to?

11:31

Chromium port soon

lmao 1.5gb is nothing

11:33

terraria uses 700mb just in the main menu

Jupstar ✪

yeah some interesting stats ~40% laptop users.. thats quite high RAM <4GB 1% VRAM <1GB 4.53% SSE3 100% around 5.4% with GPUs that are really old, ivy bridge, haswell, some old ATI cards etc. (edited)

^ summary

Learath2

Chromium port soon

there are webkit abstractions without js, future gonna be fun html + css without js bloat. if it then uses 400mb, that's well spent 400MBs

Terraria is made in C#

11:44

Anyway, no need to discuss this, I know you and I fundamentally disagree on this, we talked about it enough

anyway, these RAM values in ddnet are spent for performance its not like i initialize a VM that is used to render a website i know all devs here prefer to have 100mb tw that always streams all shit and runs at 60fps capped but i prefer 2023 software. if rusticans get to a point where u can use rust instead of js, then i see a bright future for GUI frameworks. and if the renderer needs a cache of 1-2gb that so be it

yay, can only have a couple of apps open in total

11:45

I'm grateful that apps use all available memory

heinrich5991

yay, can only have a couple of apps open in total

Just get a new computer?

yes exactly

11:45

most ppl use 16GB ram

11:45

just accept it

Also don't be poor?

Or download more ram, i did it and it worked

11:45

No cap

Learath2

Also don't be poor?

sounds sane too

Alexander

Or download more ram, i did it and it worked

Give link

~~Hold on lemme find one that crashes your pc~~

11:47

ah steam hardware surveys, the only place where i feel accepted

11:47

16gb RAM 50% of all users 8gb VRAM most users

Is 50% compatibility acceptable for you?

32 GB 13.38% (edited)

11:48

its 16gb or more

11:48

a quarter have 8gb or less

well i guess u know what u buy this christmas then

Let's make the next version use 8gb ram in the menu for 5 extra fps

Jupstar ✪

16gb RAM 50% of all users 8gb VRAM most users

Learath2

Let's make the next version use 8gb ram in the menu for 5 extra fps

i can also do that with less RAM, but u dont understand it

11:49

bcs only thing u can say is that RAM is so bad

No use more. Why use less when more available?

11:50

If not enough users can always buy more

thats your whole point of life, saying that an app should not use lot of RAM

11:50

PS1 had like 2MB ram. it loaded the shit from CD

Our player base will have worse systems than players playing AAA games on Steam

if u prefer to load all stuff from CD go ahead

deen

Our player base will have worse systems than players playing AAA games on Steam

and so what? do u think someone has only 500mb RAM?

Jupstar ✪

if u prefer to load all stuff from CD go ahead

You just don't need 300k fps performance

Anime.pdf

You just don't need 300k fps performance

You do

there's a difference between 16 gb ram and the 500 MB you now proposed

Learath2

You do

Why?

heinrich5991

there's a difference between 16 gb ram and the 500 MB you now proposed

yes ddnet doesnt use 16GB ram if u didnt notice yet

yes, DDNet isn't the only thing running

except u load some 16k textures

there's still usually an OS and a browser

Anime.pdf

Why?

I render directly onto reality. Need as close to continuous time as possible

it's QoL to be able to run DDNet concurrent with other apps

heinrich5991

it's QoL to be able to run DDNet concurrent with other apps

yes

11:52

thats why 99,99% of all users have at least 4GB ram

11:52

so u can run browser and ddnet

I don't think you can do that

11:52

with 4 GB

11:52

and DDNet taking 2 GB

And if you also want to listen to music, you are shit out of luck?

but learath wants to compile, play ddnet, play crysis and all at 100MB

no, you're misrepresenting @Jupstar ✪

heinrich5991

and DDNet taking 2 GB

where does ddnet take 2gb?

heinrich5991

there's still usually an OS and a browser

I played csgo, had browser opened, Spotify, discord, screen share and ddnet running on my old pc at the same time justatest

deen in the issue said, after loading ddnet uses 1GB RAM

11:53

on one of the biggest maps out there

DDNet using 1.5G ram, what have we come to?

during startup for a short moment

yes temporarily

You can try checking the massif file, I'm not sure if we can get the memory usage more stable

11:54

not super high prio if this issue was caused by 4k skins anyway

ddnet uses these RAM values since 2017 btw

11:54

it was introduced with opengl 3.3

Yes, but this large maps haven't been so popular

so in future this gets less problem xd

Cloud based ram soonTM

Literally just wanted to point out that we took a game that ran comfortably on a coffee maker and now there are computers that crash trying to load maps. Nothing else

and now u have 15k FPS, almost perfect frame times

Didn't really want to have a discussion about it. Just a sidenote

mhh yeah sure

11:56

u posted it just as a sidenote for yourself

I thought it was funny. I pointed it out. Is that not allowed?

11:58

Just because we disagree doesn't mean I do everything just to poke at you

its funny that u dont use ddnet 9.x where the world was still without problems ugly map res that isnt pixel perfect. skins that are not allowed to be high res keeping your unstable 60fps

11:59

we are still compatible to ddnet 9.x

11:59

i'd take that chance if i'd be u

Jupstar ✪

and now u have 15k FPS, almost perfect frame times

Why would you need so much

Anime.pdf

Why would you need so much

u have to understand one thing about FPS more FPS = more STABLE frametimes (in the sense of ddnet) so u should read it like this:

it uses less CPU
it can use more CPU total => more FPS
if you cap it it uses less CPU than before while still being more stable frame time wise

(edited)

12:02

so yes, if i could reach 200k FPS with 1gb more VRAM or RAM, i'd instantly do it

cool, it'd probably stop running on my computer soon, then

Jupstar ✪

u have to understand one thing about FPS more FPS = more STABLE frametimes (in the sense of ddnet) so u should read it like this:

it uses less CPU
it can use more CPU total => more FPS
if you cap it it uses less CPU than before while still being more stable frame time wise

(edited)

I understand about stable fps, kinda, but i usually limit my fps to my monitor refresh rate multiplied by 2 or 3, 20x is just too much, isnt it? justatest

heinrich5991

cool, it'd probably stop running on my computer soon, then

bad for you, but i have good news. even if u could still improve it a bit, there is not lot of headroom anymore for now (edited)

12:03

maybe in 10years there is new hardware with new ideas to improve it

I find your attitude really out of place

your attitude makes ddnet stay compatible with dated stuff forever

I think it's really bad to tell your users: you're too poor to run ddnet

i find my attitude more sane

you need to upgrade your computer

12:04

that's really bad IMO

heinrich5991

I think it's really bad to tell your users: you're too poor to run ddnet

dude, u literally talking shit

12:05

there is not a SINGLE computer i dropped support for

12:05

not ONE computer

hey, stop telling me I'm talking shit

i even gave workarounds for ppl that literally have NO OPENGL driver

that's not okay

heinrich5991

hey, stop telling me I'm talking shit

hey but u are

timeout

This conversation always gets way too heated

Robyt3

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #6160 Add support for hot-plugging gamecontrollers

Handle the appropriate SDL events to open new joysticks when they are connected and remove joysticks when they are disconnected. If the active joystick gets disconnected, then the first joystick in the list will be activated as a fallback. If the previously activated joystick gets reconnected, it will be activated again automatically, as it is identified by the GUID stored in the configuration. The stored joystick GUID is only updated when the user manually selects a new joystick in the ...

Zwelf

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #6161 DDNet: xcb_io.c:278: poll_for_event: Assertion `!xcb_xlib_threads_sequence_lost' failed

``` 2022-12-18 14:02:23 I client: starting... 2022-12-18 14:02:23 I sdl: SDL version 2.26.1 (compiled = 2.26.1) 2022-12-18 14:02:23 I gfx: Created OpenGL 3.0 context. 2022-12-18 14:02:23 I opengl: Vendor string: AMD 2022-12-18 14:02:23 I opengl: Version string: 4.6 (Compatibility Profile) Mesa 22.3.1 2022-12-18 14:02:23 I gfx: GPU vendor: AMD 2022-12-18 14:02:23 I gfx: GPU renderer: AMD Radeon Graphics (renoir, LLVM 14.0.6, DRM 3.48, 6.0.12-arch1-1) 2022-12-18 14:02:23 I gfx: GPU vers...

A: buse

Savi0ur

[ddnet/ddnet-web] Issue opened: #232 Player information JSON

In player information JSON all maps represent as new JSON object. When new map releases, code wich parsing this json cant know in advance a new map name, to create new object for this map. So always on new map releases you need to handle new map object. I think maps should be represented as JSON array, not infinity JSON objects. Current json part: ``` { "types": { "Novice": { "maps": { "Give u the Moon": { "points": 3, "total_finishes": 27013...

Was the shotgun velocity bug already known/reported?

14:02

(if you are inside another tee and shoot with your shotgun, the other tee gets infinite velocity

14:03

seems like negative infinity to be precise

14:04

This is easy to test on Arctic Festivity

14:05

at least one tee needs tee collision disabled and one needs the shotgun powerup on the map (edited)

Zwelf

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #6161 DDNet: xcb_io.c:278: poll_for_event: Assertion `!xcb_xlib_threads_sequence_lost' failed

Scrumplex

Was the shotgun velocity bug already known/reported?

not a bug but a feature

Scrumplex

Was the shotgun velocity bug already known/reported?

this bug exist since the universe was created

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14:23

Its a feature ye justatest

Why must this be a feature though :|

14:33

I guess on many maps it wouldn't be an issue, but it is game breaking for maps with open ceilings

14:33

I have seen multiple people die today because of that feature

I guess it's a part of the game now, can't be removed

Jupstar ✪

Look in the logs. I guess you run out of memory and it tries to clean all staging buffers

2022-12-18 04:09:48 I vulkan: vulkan memory allocation failed, trying to recover.

15:49

but how the hell can it trigger opening a "page" (still don't know what it is, the window i saw was on only for a second)

Chairn

but how the hell can it trigger opening a "page" (still don't know what it is, the window i saw was on only for a second)

sry dunno what a page is, it renders a black screen once bcs it frees memory from another frame

can you make it possible to mark multiple demos at once? with shift+ left click like on windows (edited)

15:55

or crtl+left click

Shyzo

can you make it possible to mark multiple demos at once? with shift+ left click like on windows (edited)

whats ur use case?

Scrumplex

Was the shotgun velocity bug already known/reported?

it is even used in some maps