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Between 2022-12-15 00:00:00Z and 2022-12-16 00:00:00Z

Iza

I know this topic is a very frequently mentioned thing but are there actually plans to "fix" weak hook for ddnet? I’m aware which side effects it might have on weak hook dependant maps but I’m sure we can find an acceptable workaround (edited)

sv_no_weak_hook is a server setting now

01:24

there's some discussion on recent-ish github issues about fixing weak

01:25

i can't really tell if it was supposed to be tied to season 2 or not

there should atleast be a command to swap strong/weak, available to every map

01:27

ik spec can break some maps, but there should be a command that doesnt make u invisible but still swaps strong

@Broso56 i feel like you have an IFTTT program setup to notify you whenever removing strong gets mentioned lol (edited)

01:32

ur always right on it

please....

01:32

i beg...

lol

Botso56

Headbot

yes

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01:45

but

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Help family, Does anyone know why the faces don't appear?

01:48

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german server? @Ignacio ☂

01:48

and kog server

01:49

idk german kog kinda laggy

nono, kog chl

01:50

well, they don't show up anywhere sv

01:50

idk try ask in #bugs @Ignacio ☂

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tela

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thanks

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Anyone wanna play?

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Iza

I know this topic is a very frequently mentioned thing but are there actually plans to "fix" weak hook for ddnet? I’m aware which side effects it might have on weak hook dependant maps but I’m sure we can find an acceptable workaround (edited)

Physics changes sound really tough to sell. If we disable weak hook entirely players will complain that they preferred it or were faster with it, or that it's now easier to beat their old ranks which were made with weak hook. We could say all future maps are released without weak hook, but this might confuse players even more because now physics are different on some maps.

deen

Physics changes sound really tough to sell. If we disable weak hook entirely players will complain that they preferred it or were faster with it, or that it's now easier to beat their old ranks which were made with weak hook. We could say all future maps are released without weak hook, but this might confuse players even more because now physics are different on some maps.

Some parts need weak hook to complete

08:32

On 2-3 maps

08:33

Also on kog i still see weak/strong indication, do they have to send some specific flag or packet?

I don't think we have a way to disable this indication in client (yet)

08:51

for predictions server should tell the client that weak hook is off and that should affect the indication too

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deen

Physics changes sound really tough to sell. If we disable weak hook entirely players will complain that they preferred it or were faster with it, or that it's now easier to beat their old ranks which were made with weak hook. We could say all future maps are released without weak hook, but this might confuse players even more because now physics are different on some maps.

and also someone can make map with weak only

No don't make hell please

I saw on a blockworlds server that i didnt have the weak/strong indication

$ddos

deen

for predictions server should tell the client that weak hook is off and that should affect the indication too

@Avolicious

Draggory

No don't make hell please

you mean another hell?

'拏 MAhdiyar

@NotAriaN

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Lumpy ◐ω◑

you mean another hell?

U still didnt play with me, step chiken

MilkeeyCat

U still didnt play with me, step chiken

maybe on the weekend

kinda busy

k

Cool join button in #reports @murpi , thanks!

happy

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poggers

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wow nice indeed

That is really nice

deen

Physics changes sound really tough to sell. If we disable weak hook entirely players will complain that they preferred it or were faster with it, or that it's now easier to beat their old ranks which were made with weak hook. We could say all future maps are released without weak hook, but this might confuse players even more because now physics are different on some maps.

Yeah I know how the community is with such big changes and I can understand that

deen

Cool join button in #reports @murpi , thanks!

why not the non steam one too

Steam has a native way of joining ingame servers which is nice but idk if the ddrace client also has something like this

it does but you have to register it manually now since there is no installation

13:39

ddnet://{ip}:{port}/

Alexander

it does but you have to register it manually now since there is no installation

We want to add that, but not there yet (edited)

its not a priority =]

it is my ddbday feelsamazingman

feelsamazingman

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Celebrate

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peepoCute

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pawgchamp

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poggers2

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wow your name is young

damn you've done a lot in 2 years

bencie

it is my ddbday feelsamazingman

feelsamazingman

Happy ddbday bro

deen

for predictions server should tell the client that weak hook is off and that should affect the indication too

Whats the name of the feature?

I mean "should" in the sense that it would make sense. I haven't followed implementation that closely. Let me check if that's implemented

deen

I mean "should" in the sense that it would make sense. I haven't followed implementation that closely. Let me check if that's implemented

m_HasExtendedData on the client

Nope, not implemented

But character@netobj.ddnet.tw sets m_StrongWeakID

Made an issue for it: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/6141

Can we just set it to -1?

No, it's limited to 0..63

15:23

I proposed setting all to 0

15:23

then it should be clear to client that this is a server without weak hook

15:27

@bencie congrats, moderator chat misses you

heartw

deen

Made an issue for it: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/6141

Done

17:16

Do you want the server-sided PR?

17:17

Dont wanna break client-side, because I would use -1, so strong/weak indication is always neutral. but older clients wouldnt be able to parse

17:17

So I used 0, this works but doesnt show a neutral mode

bencie

joe biden, joe biden, joe biden (edited)

19:19

actually, can i do art in ddnet?

19:19

i wanna make a parkour map out of this meme lol

yes we can

how much fps do you get?

21:49

i think 5000 is a bit too much

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how much fps do you get?

r u asking me?

everyone

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you want to tell me you get more fps than me with a worse gpu

yes

teeworlds is techcist

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you want to tell me you get more fps than me with a worse gpu

whats ur gpu

3090

its mostly CPU anyway

21:56

whats ur CPU ^^

sec

21:57

oops

i've 3800x, so worse CPU and GPU, still 3x the FPS

seems fair yea

Jupstar ✪

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Tell the trick

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brownbear

Yek

Tell the trick

linux + wayland + vulkan + mesa drivers

justatest

its even 1440p not full hd

oh I play at 4k

21:58

maybe that's the difference

no

21:58

u on windows

Jupstar ✪

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is it not dying from all the frames

even with best hardware u wont beat me

cyberFighter

is it not dying from all the frames

when i play i cap the fps, but not, GPU usage is not even 100% with that

21:59

CPU is bottleneck

Do not increase the CPU temperature by handling more fps than your monitor?

Jupstar ✪

when i play i cap the fps, but not, GPU usage is not even 100% with that

wtf

21:59

my highest is 100 fps

21:59

lmao

Yek

Do not increase the CPU temperature by handling more fps than your monitor?

i have 8 core CPU, if 1 core is at 100% it doesnt contribute to heat too much

Jupstar ✪

i have 8 core CPU, if 1 core is at 100% it doesnt contribute to heat too much

In windows overcoming the fps the CPU goes to 65 or 70c

22:01

Yek

In windows overcoming the fps the CPU goes to 65 or 70c

:/

Temperature may not help

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22:03

justatest

uff but shouldnt matter too much

Yek

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meanwhile negative degrees in germany

22:03

gg

it depends on your fan target and your cooling system

I'll try linux but Mint wayland support sucks

22:04

kek

i also dont use wayland rn

its the future, but its not ready for my needs yet

22:05

maybe in 1 year

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oh I play at 4k

i literally got max settings and 4 times more to draw than you

22:06

i think it's because of that, not because of windows

22:06

also changing cpu priority of the game didn't do anything

@Meekrioz how do i apply for mod!

Stfu

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i literally got max settings and 4 times more to draw than you

change to full hd

22:07

and u still have less fps than me

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also changing cpu priority of the game didn't do anything

8k is better

Jupstar ✪

change to full hd

it didn't change it at all

22:09

maybe it's capped at 5k for me

Meekrioz

Stfu

ok sorry i forgot they kicked u out of moderation team

22:09

my bad

feelsbadman

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maybe it's capped at 5k for me

uncap change to full hd, do anything u want

22:10

u wont get this fps with windows xD

Jupstar ✪

uncap change to full hd, do anything u want

i don't even know how to uncap

22:11

i have it set to infinite

22:11

but it is stuck at around 5k, fluctuates a lot (edited)

22:11

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22:11

even on the smallest resolution

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even on the smallest resolution

then its ur CPU limiting

22:12

and ofc since windows is slower than linux its slower for u

feelsbadman

22:12

can't enjoy this game anymore

install linux

22:13

also note i play in entities and disabled some hud stuff

i can't live with linux

which is essential to get max fps possible

yea I am telling you

22:13

it doesn't change

22:13

it is capped somehow

yeah it wont change everything

@default you just fell right into their trap

default

it is capped somehow

its capped bcs ur CPU core is running at 100%

multi core not supported?

in task manager go on resource tab, change graph with right click to logical graph

22:14

then u'll see that one core is 100% (or many cores jump high, depending on kernel scheduling)

meh maybe

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multi core not supported?

it is partially, but not for all stuff, main thread is important to generate the draw calls

mortadela

my bad

No one asked

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Meekrioz

No one asked

Yek

5k frames per second are just not enough i feel that (edited)

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meh maybe

well i can tell ya, last time i was on windows i reached 7.6k fps max

22:17

with same setup

22:17

(that i use on linux)

yea but we are capped

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and it didn't look like a core was at 100%

where 7777 at

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and it didn't look like a core was at 100%

top left was almost 100%

60 seconds ago

22:18

ah yea

22:18

top left spikes

22:18

whenever I get into the game

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22:19

gotta overclock

i tested it on rtx 4090 with 5950x, u cannot beat linux for ddnet with windows xD

22:19

u can try as hard as u want

I am capped anyways

22:19

how would I try harder

i dunno maybe ur RAM is too slow or smth like that

22:20

i cannot tell what bottlenecks u, but its quite possible that this graph isnt accurate anyway

22:20

if the kernel swaps the cores all the time to distribute heat over all cores

Lxde works with wayland?

its quite possible that this isnt accurate

I think it's the GPU actually

Yek

Lxde works with wayland?

no idea, just google ^^

3D spikes to nearly 100%

poggers

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3D spikes to nearly 100%

xDDD well rip

ddnet obviously 3d intensive game

22:21

everyone knows that

i told ya entities, disable some hud stuff

22:21

but yeah its not impossible amd GPUs are better than nvidia in some cases

22:21

even the 4090 looses in some games to the new amd gpu

22:21

which only costs half the price

yea but did you overclock?

22:21

i run vanilla

i have tripple fan, so its overclocked by the manifacturer, but i didnt change anything

22:24

anyway even with my gtx 760 i remember that linux was faster for ddnet. and that was like 6 years ago

wait I can try to switch opengl to something else

sure

22:25

in fact radeonsi(linux opengl driver) is faster GPU wise for me

22:25

tho only at a very small margin

22:25

but opengl has more CPU overhead

this game is so well optimized

22:26

opening tab reduces my fps by 2000

u mean windows

game

windows

lmao

22:27

vulkan is better than opengl

22:27

by 1000-2000 frames (edited)

ez

capped at 6k now

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capped at 6k now

kek

well a certain someone is a vulkan fanboy and puts lot of effort into it (edited)

22:28

when vulkan 2.0

i needed longer for opengl 3.3, but i went more tryhard for vk xdd

Xen

when vulkan 2.0

when ray tracing support

i think the issue with tab reducing fps is that the gpu has to render 2 layers (edited)

Jupstar ✪

when ray tracing support

yes, when support

and still has to go through everything transparent

Vulkan is the future greenthing

greenthing

aaah ye the hotdog is just what i needed

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@Voxel u

u

U

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come move to europe so u dont have 150 ping

wish i could

hop on teepop

22:34

i actually had too much fun in solo

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