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Between 2022-11-05 00:00:00Z and 2022-11-06 00:00:00Z
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What is the maximum packet size for a client to have no problems with a DDNet based server?
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Yek
What is the maximum packet size for a client to have no problems with a DDNet based server?
what are you doing? 🙂
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Yek
Will aarch64 support on Linux ever be added? 🥺
is aarch64 not supported? do you mean that you want to have binaries on ddnet.org?
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heinrich5991
what are you doing? 🙂
I want to limit with my own firewall the pps/bps per IP and the maximum packet length If it is higher, the IP will be blocked for a while
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Yek
I want to limit with my own firewall the pps/bps per IP and the maximum packet length If it is higher, the IP will be blocked for a while
the link I sent above gave the answer btw. 1400 bytes of UDP payload
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-11-05 06:17:17Z
If you try to avoid ddos attacks those are usually spoofed ips with proper teeworlds packets so that wouldn’t be filtered :(
06:17
What about dummy’s multiple clients. Or multiple users sharing the same ip? (@Yek)
Ty thx
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1400 is close to the MTU
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In computer networking, the maximum transmission unit (MTU) is the size of the largest protocol data unit (PDU) that can be communicated in a single network layer transaction. The MTU relates to, but is not identical to the maximum frame size that can be transported on the data link layer, e.g. Ethernet frame. Larger MTU is associated with reduc...
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Get the lowest latency and best responsiveness by enabling NVIDIA Reflex on GeForce RTX and GeForce GTX 900, 10 and 16 Series graphics cards, desktops and laptops.
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Is thisntrue
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-11-05 08:36:15Z
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maffs nerd
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also congrats on being top1 active githubber i follow ryo! You make up 90% if my feed while being only 1 of my 26 followed dudes
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of
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2a7eb13 Add config_directory.bat - def-
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if(s_SelectionPopupContext.m_Entries.size() == 1) { s_SelectionPopupContext.m_pSelection = &*s_SelectionPopupContext.m_Entries.begin(); } Does this result in undefined behaviour? m_Entries is a std::set<std::string>. I'm want to get a pointer to the first element. As you can see I ensure that there is exactly one element in the set and the set will not be modified in the meantime, so taking a pointer should be fine. But if I dereference the iterator with *, doesn't this create a temporary copy of the entry that I would then take the address of with &? In that case the address would point to a temporary object that is no longer valid outside the scope of this if-block. I could also do the following, which should definitely work, as it uses a reference to the string, albeit it looks a bit odd: if(s_SelectionPopupContext.m_Entries.size() == 1) { for(const auto &Entry : s_SelectionPopupContext.m_Entries) { s_SelectionPopupContext.m_pSelection = &Entry; } }
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dereferncing doesn't automatically create a copy. You just have to be carefuly to only dereference valid pointers, not null pointers for example
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the first version looks fine to me, just copies it into the new target object
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I think the *& might even just get removed during the first optimization pass
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you mean &*
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That too, but even from a standard perspective seems fine
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ok, thanks
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Oh actually maybe not now that I think about it. The * is probably overloaded here
13:03
Anyway, first one is indeed sane
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You can try adding some copy constructors that print something when the object is copied to verify that copy is only done when expected
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Or you could delete the copy constructor if you dont use it
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The entries are std::string, so can I even do that?
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Assigning to a reference is a good example where the object is definitely not copied
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Robyt3
The entries are std::string, so can I even do that?
Then nope 😄
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if m_pSelection is a std::string&
13:05
ok, then set gdb breakpoints on them 😄
13:05
but anyway, should be fine
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It's a std::string *, because I also need it to be a nullptr when it's empty
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wouldnt ub sanitizer show its ub or smth?
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ub sanitizer doesn't detect all ub
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ah too bad
13:06
BASED
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the standard library is full of undefined behavior btw
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well and lot of ppl rely on that right
13:07
thats why the std cant be updated
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Now that I think about it a bit. Why do you think the * will create a copy anyway?
13:07
It'll just be a normal lvalue
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Learath2
Now that I think about it a bit. Why do you think the * will create a copy anyway?
I thought the copy is already created when dereferencing. I'm not really familar with different value types, I'm coming from a Java world
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Searching through the standard 😄
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Oh, I see. Yeah I guess Java does do that
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deen
the standard library is full of undefined behavior btw
I think this is even intended, no? The point is to allow implementations to optimize agressively iirc
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Yes, of course
13:13
fewer branches
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and more security issues
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chillerdragon
What about dummy’s multiple clients. Or multiple users sharing the same ip? (@Yek)
Game mode does not allow dummy
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kekw
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Click to see attachment 🖼️
@deen how is it fixed ?
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Sad I will still try xdp to see if with specific filters it does something against an attack
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😿
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Chairn
@deen how is it fixed ?
By removing the wrongly added integration test files from updater json: https://update.ddnet.org/update.json
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ah okay 🙂
14:24
log doesn't say which error triggered the "error updating" UI
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the 404s triggered it
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old file missing "error" is ignored
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lol even the username
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I guess since no one reported it before you, and this was already in 16.3, only few people are still using the ingame updater
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@Swarfey hi ^
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maybe he wanted to disappear
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justatest
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updating manually, i always end up overwritting some settings file
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like settings_ddnet.cfg and storage.cfg
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most people use steam updater
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i use portage
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the gentoo guru maintainer is pretty fast btw
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on the same day
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oh
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i say this but its still 16.4 f
troll 1
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GURU: Ebuild repository entirely maintained by Gentoo users - GitHub - gentoo-mirror/guru: GURU: Ebuild repository entirely maintained by Gentoo users
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time to become the maintainer
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what its here
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since its github anyone can make a pr
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so no official maintainer
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thats nice i guess
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"Big Pineapple" updated to 16.5 kek
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Seen on GER6, don't have logs: `` Core was generated by ./DDRace64-Server_sql -f servers/8308.cfg'. Program terminated with signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. #0 0x00007f990902b0a4 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4 [Current thread is 1 (Thread 0x7f99060c0700 (LWP 1145086))] (gdb) bt #0 0x00007f990902b0a4 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4 #1 0x00007f990902b9b2 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4 #2 0x00007f990903de76 in ?? () from /lib...
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@Ryozuki You could also try submitting it for official repo: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Submitting_ebuilds
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aral.sama BOT 2022-11-05 15:05:31Z
Hello 👋
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Hi aral.sama
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aral.sama BOT 2022-11-05 15:08:00Z
How are you deen?
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fine, you?
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aral.sama BOT 2022-11-05 15:09:59Z
Great I'm fine 👍 (@deen)
fine, you?
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-11-05 15:10:10Z
?xd
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aral.sama BOT 2022-11-05 15:14:02Z
Every one here is programmer?
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-11-05 15:14:15Z
No im pro gamer
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aral.sama BOT 2022-11-05 15:15:35Z
Oh ... Good (<@749222324980416602_=5bquakenet=5d=20=43hiller=44ragon>)
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I'm not programmer. But i think you are
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-11-05 15:17:38Z
no proof
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@Ryozuki wanna game together on the among-sus server? https://github.com/gentoo-mirror/guru/tree/master/games-server/among-sus
GURU: Ebuild repository entirely maintained by Gentoo users - guru/games-server/among-sus at master · gentoo-mirror/guru
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The workspace is completly optional and doesn't need to be used It suggests fitting extensions, comes with preconfigured launch tasks (+ prebuild task). some settings useful for using clang-format, -DDEV=ON, mold as linker etc. if windows is ok leaving out .exe, it should also work there i guess, but not tested.

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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-11-05 15:20:57Z
So guru is the aur of gentoo?
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gentoo user repository user?
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maybe gentoo user repository unoffical?
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aral.sama BOT 2022-11-05 15:22:19Z
.... how old are you? (<@749222324980416602_=5bquakenet=5d=20=43hiller=44ragon>)
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-11-05 15:22:37Z
double digits already
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aral.sama BOT 2022-11-05 15:25:22Z
🫠 (<@749222324980416602_=5bquakenet=5d=20=43hiller=44ragon>)
double digits already
15:28
I'm not goon know English language So I need a few for Ripley you pm
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😂😂 you understand what I said?
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Anyone still have the 16.1 debugging symbols for #5463?
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What I did: Selected all game layers Shift-deleted a large region (I selected a very tall region - around 400 tiles - and my cursor position ended left of the grid)
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NVIDIA Reflex SDK With the NVIDIA Reflex SDK, game developers can implement a low-latency mode that enables just-in-time for rendering and optimize system latency (click-to-display) with measurement markers that calculate both game and render latency—great for debugging and visualizing in-game performance counters. Get started Low-Latency Mode A...
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Robyt3
Anyone still have the 16.1 debugging symbols for #5463?
are they gone?
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or was it a nightly
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They were deleted because they took up lots of space
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lol
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@deen lets only delete nightly symbols i guess ^
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our releases dont happen too often
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Reporter said version 16.1
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jupstar the archiver
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it been in my download dir xD
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i've 2 more for 16.1 XD
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real question is, why do we need this? why isnt lowest latency the default?
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windows problems
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but its an sdk
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so i assume its for profiling? 😄
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idk
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@Jupstar ✪ dota has this boost mode
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Jupstar ✪
i've 2 more for 16.1 XD
Also the 32 bit one?
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Robyt3
Also the 32 bit one?
no 😄
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but his crash report should be 64bit
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Then it's probably not exactly version 16.1, at least I can't find any symbols for those addresses
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did you use the old parse?
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or is our current compatible
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I'm just using gdb and info symbol 0x...
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The current one should also work but it doesn't entirely work on windows
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The address at the end should also be correct, if you calculate AddrPC - base offset it equals the last number
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addr2line -e DDNet.exe 000000000051576F /home/deen/isos/ddnet/ddnet-source/src/game/editor/layer_tiles.cpp:54
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what's the one after that?
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that one is in CTile CLayerTiles::GetTile(int x, int y) { return m_pTiles[y * m_Width + x]; }
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addr2line -e DDNet.exe 00000000005193DB /home/deen/isos/ddnet/ddnet-source/src/game/editor/layer_tiles.cpp:441 addr2line -e DDNet.exe 000000000050B3B5 /home/deen/isos/ddnet/ddnet-source/src/game/editor/editor.cpp:2632 (edited)
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Closes #4755.

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  • [ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
  • [ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
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lol
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TSMC approaching 1 nm with 2D materials breakthrough
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Researchers at MIT, NTU, and TSMC have discovered that 2D materials combined with semi-metallic bismuth (Bi) achieve extremely low resistance, overcoming the challenge of realizing 1-nm chips. Source: National University of Taiwan
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how do they call it after 1nm
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do they start to count the atoms? xD
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.2 nanometers per atom
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u need at least 3 i think
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for a logic gate
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Well whenever we talk about these we remember that those measures really dont mean what they used to mean when we were at 65nm 😄
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well even if the transistor itself is the only part at 1nm its still probs very efficient
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but in the article they seem to use a different material
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_tunnelling "Tunneling occurs with barriers of thickness around 1–3 nm and smaller."
Quantum tunnelling, also known as tunneling (US) is a quantum mechanical phenomenon whereby a wavefunction can propagate through a potential barrier. The transmission through the barrier can be finite and depends exponentially on the barrier height and barrier width. The wavefunction may disappear on one side and reappear on the other side. The ...
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"Quantum tunneling limits the minimum size of devices used in microelectronics because electrons tunnel readily through insulating layers and transistors that are thinner than about 1 nm."
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i want a picture like this: https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-bc6b9a278b5e4d2f36a303415072bac8-lq for every process advancement 😄
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Looks like trade secrets to me
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deen
@Swarfey hi ^
Ty for telling, i have no idea why its gone
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I didnt even get any mail
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Robyt3
Anyone still have the 16.1 debugging symbols for #5463?
I have backups, still needed?
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No, @Jupstar ✪ also had a relevant one and I confirmed that the issue was already fixed (edited)
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ok, great.
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@Jupstar ✪ real
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Ryozuki
Click to see attachment 🖼️
lel
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a62bf7c Write log files to storage unless given as absolute path - Robyt3 83faed0 Write sqlite file to storage unless given as absolute path - Robyt3 f3de823 Merge #6013 - bors[bot]
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-11-05 17:44:37Z
how is da tw srv package called in apt?
17:45
teeworlds-server
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-11-05 17:55:23Z
omagawd did ubuntu name the binary teeworlds-server? not teeworlds_srv?
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ddnet-server is also called like this probs same maintainer xd
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so when i press CTRL + c and then CTRL + v, and rename DDNet to teeworlds. Can i call it a day?
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perfect
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-11-05 18:12:30Z
i ended up doing a bunch of if statements checking what is installed on the system
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renaming ddnet to teeworlds would break my test cuz i dont support ddnet
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YET
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r u working on diamond again?
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-11-05 18:14:11Z
da
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i think this is the most useful project i have written in my whole life xd
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ok its written in ruby... but still :D
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imo ruby is python without annoying tabs. change my mind.
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Its all practice to properly understand the protcol and port ddnet to 0.7!
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the best thing about python is uninstalling it, so i agree
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-11-05 18:18:07Z
xd
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wowow py hater
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whats ur script lang of choice then? typescript?
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lua?
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lua is second worst
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-11-05 18:18:55Z
bash pog?
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xd
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bash is legendary yes
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-11-05 18:19:05Z
daaa!
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Yo soydev jopstar thanks for vscode config! but when vimrc for ddnet? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/6012
The workspace is completly optional and doesn't need to be used It suggests fitting extensions, comes with preconfigured launch tasks (+ prebuild task). some settings useful for using clang-for...
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u have to ask our neofetch, neovim, neorust, neoworld expert ryozoozki
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-11-05 18:24:39Z
tru
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i actually was thinking about switching to neovim
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since i wrote all da ruby code in vim and my config is kinda vanilla
18:26
do u even know the soydev meme?
18:26
The Silicon Valley/ Seattle based soy latte drinking hipster you see at the coffee shop, coding NodeJS on his macbook pro. He only uses a bloated IDE and is too beta to ever touch Vim. This creature will justify his use of a macbook by saying that "it's UNIX based" but at the same time will defend not having a linux machine due to some nonsense ...
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except for macbook, this is me xD
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-11-05 18:27:07Z
xxxxxxxxxxxD
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by ArchUser1001 June 2, 2020
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omg just noticed xd
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ok the second deifintion sounds completly different
18:28
that doesnt suit me so well anymore
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-11-05 18:28:12Z
oh wow there is more
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lemme read
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ye those soys big on js and electron
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon
by ArchUser1001 June 2, 2020
i bet he uses rust too 💀
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Just don't care about what IDE/language you use and get things done. I've seen people be productive with anything from LFS+nano on a 10" netbook to full-blown Visual Studio + Windows on a 24 core workstation
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use notepad++ without file search good training
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write code on paper and assume it wouldn't compile anyway so you're not missing out
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Jupstar ✪
use notepad++ without file search good training
justatest
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well not caring is an option
23:10
but if u like making ur editor rly ur own in a way it makes coding more enjoyable (for you) then even better (edited)
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon
i actually was thinking about switching to neovim
chiller switching to neovim from vim is just a drop in
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its compatible
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i actually alias vim to nvim
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ur vim config will work on neovim
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Ravie
write code on paper and assume it wouldn't compile anyway so you're not missing out
print the code and send it to elon musk
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1k for one LGTM
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Seriously though. Elon firing Accessibility, Responsible AI, and co? We all saw that coming. He's that kind of asshole, and has no concept of future sustainability. But firing most of the SRE team? That is literally an imminent threat to the site. He's an incompetent idiot.
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interesting read
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SRE = stack ranked engineer
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i never read that buzz word
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but i think it means engineers that know the ins and outs
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the whole stack
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sre? site reliability engineer
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I think
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yeah
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well he lates says stack ranked engineers
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iguess its not related to sre
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or maybe i did missread
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a image he quotes, idk from who
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ohh
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i get it now
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as in elon ranked engineers with line of codes
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english suxs
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nice let's add //---------- THIS IS THE START OF THE COMMENT ------ // style 100 code block just to not get fired
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Ryozuki
a image he quotes, idk from who
not sure if that's actually confirmed tbh
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its like the two guys in front of the twitter building
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that trolled the media
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and said they were fired OMEGADANCE
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he definitly fired ppl
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Regarding Twitter’s reduction in force, unfortunately there is no choice when the company is losing over $4M/day. Everyone exited was offered 3 months of severance, which is 50% more than legally required.
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well if you worked at twitter
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you can get a job literally everywhere
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why would u buy a company that loses 4m/day
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xd
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to make it better?
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and its a meme
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win/win
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surely he will make it better Clueless
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Ryozuki
why would u buy a company that loses 4m/day
Elon's companies are losing money as well
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Getting sponsored by us government
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the best is that ppl think he is a genius
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but itsj ust that when u have lot of money, it comes to you easily even if u fail a lot of times
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in fact, u can fail a lot of times
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According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), this isn't necessarily true. Data from the BLS shows that approximately 20% of new businesses fail during the first two years of being open, 45% during the first five years, and 65% during the first 10 years.
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the phrase before the quote is
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It's often said that more than half of new businesses fail during the first year.
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i copied it wrong xd
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nevetherless they fail
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a billionare just can afford failing a lot
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he built a space company that's now more efficient than the NASA and a car company that completely revolutionized cars itself
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dont buy too much in the marketing
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the rocket is amazing, but NASA made the whole foundations of what he is making
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credit where is due
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and the cars..
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idk bro xd
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he is certainly a twitter genius
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driving the masses
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i wont deny that
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i cringe so much reading the replies
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there was not one single car brand with full-driving capabilities
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Ryozuki
the rocket is amazing, but NASA made the whole foundations of what he is making
and still NASA didnt came up with the idea of letting the rockets land instead of wasting Millions in tax payers money
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Experiments have been conducted on self-driving cars since 1939; promising trials took place in the 1950s and work has proceeded since then. The first self-sufficient and truly autonomous cars appeared in the 1980s, with Carnegie Mellon University's Navlab and ALV projects in 1984 and Mercedes-Benz and Bundeswehr University Munich's Eureka Prome...
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yea totally
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Meekrioz
and still NASA didnt came up with the idea of letting the rockets land instead of wasting Millions in tax payers money
why do u sound like the average twitter guy
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why do u sound like the average twitter guy?
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ill tell you
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stuff like the james webb is way more amazing than a rocket that can land again
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and more sophisticated
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real science, they aim higher
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because they always parrot this stuff about nasa and tax payer money
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compare it to the army spenditure
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its like a ant
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they should instead get way more
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its way more useful to society
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we are not talking about the army, we are talking about spacex compared to nasa
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oh god
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ok im out
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bringing up shit like the army, especially in the US is brainless
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before i say smth too out and heinrich bans me
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my inner urge is killing me XD
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can't handle a discussion?
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i can, but i know its meaningless
23:31
im a practical man, this is worthless
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you win
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enjoy it
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yea you have your entitled opinion that NASA is the best and SpaceX is the worst or well Elon Musk is the worst
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and he is just a twitter person that handles the mass or plays with it
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NASA is the best and SpaceX is the worst or well Elon Musk is the worst well at least dont put words in my mouth
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he did more in his 5 years as a business man than all of the car companies combined couldn't do
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SpaceX's goal to build roxkets and bring people to space, NASA is government research agency, they do different stuff
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Ryozuki
NASA is the best and SpaceX is the worst or well Elon Musk is the worst well at least dont put words in my mouth
you didn't specifically say that, but it seems like you are feeling that way with your arguments
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thats ur interpretation
23:35
in fact i did say their rockets are amazing
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Anime.pdf
SpaceX's goal to build roxkets and bring people to space, NASA is government research agency, they do different stuff
so its a valid for them to research reusable rockets, but NASA doesnt have that as a priority, they mainly launch one-off satelites
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Ryozuki
in fact i did say their rockets are amazing
but then again downplayed it with "nasa built the foundation". Of course they built the foundation, they were first with all of it, after the russians i guess OMEGADANCE (edited)
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Ryozuki
so its a valid for them to research reusable rockets, but NASA doesnt have that as a priority, they mainly launch one-off satelites
NASA dont build rockets tho, they buy and use rockets from other 'launch providers' (edited)
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its ok if i would downplay it anyway
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but i was just giving credit where due
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the amount of effort from nasa is way higher
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NASA dont build rockets tho, they buy and use rockets from other 'launch providers' (edited)
they did build rockets
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but now t hey buy launchers from e.g spacex cuz its cheaper
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but truly battle tested rockets like the a saturn V
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which brought the man to the moon
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Saturn V[a] is a retired American super heavy-lift launch vehicle developed by NASA under the Apollo program for human exploration of the Moon. The rocket was human-rated, with three stages, and powered with liquid fuel. It was flown from 1967 to 1973. It was used for nine crewed flights to the Moon, and to launch Skylab, the first American space station.
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I wanna see SpaceX 50 years from now.
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Well in fact SpaceX exists to service NASA contracts troll
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i think spacex gets the contract assigned cuz they tick the most marks
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but public agencies offering contracts cant choose one in a biased way
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spacex is not even top 10 on the contractors
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most costly stuff is not the rocket itself
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well idk but probs
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xd
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Complicated stuff, but anyway the do a bit different stuff, hard to compare them (edited)
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what im the most excited about is
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Artemis is the name of NASA's program to return astronauts to the lunar surface. We are going forward to the Moon to stay.
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I wonder when ddnet will launch moon servers
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And who will be first player
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troll
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time to plug a rly awesome video now that talk about this
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and sleep time
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BASED
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NASA's budget for fiscal year (FY) 2021 is $23.3 billion.
In 2021, the United States spent around 800.67 billion U.S. dollars on its military.
Funny how people interested in killing each other more than exploring universe
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10 seconds in and this already feels like some evil promo thing
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