DDraceNetwork - bugs

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Report client & server bugs, especially but not limited to release candidates.

Between 2022-11-02 00:00:00Z and 2022-11-03 00:00:00Z

case closed for the vulkan OBS thing Vulkan 1.0 was apparently dropped for the support (I dunno if it was intended by the loader team, I'll wait for the vulkan loader guy to respond) Increasing to vk 1.1 inside DDNet fixes it

11:47

what do we learn from that? Just drop old hardware and software, bcs they always make problem xDDD

planned obsolescence is a curse for our society...

for most stuff yes

12:34

but ur washing machine wont do an update

12:34

if ppl with old hardware use old ddnet and dont care about being dropped its fine

software planned obsolescence is a curse for our society

Jupstar ✪

if ppl with old hardware use old ddnet and dont care about being dropped its fine

that only works if the server remains backward compatible by the way, which you also argue against

yes

12:42

drop them

12:42

they can create their own servers

but then we drop hardware support and people cannot use their old hardware with ddnet anymore

12:43

even though there's no good reason for it, other than maintainability. these computers have the resources to play ddnet

new computers have these resources too

yes, but the old hardware was already produced

12:50

and it would be a waste to throw it away

new hardware too

12:50

its a waste to keep bad software for bad hardware

not IMO

old hardware consumes more energy for the same task

12:51

at the same time

new hardware consumes more energy to be produced

yes, but producing new hardware to run it with less energy sounds even worse

sounds pretty good to me

we're trying to not boil the planet ^^

recycle old hardware

we don't have to force people to upgrade their computers for ddnet

make it more efficient

that sounds very hypothetical to me

12:52

do you know that this works or do you just think that it might work?

i know that it might work

cool. link?

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/757720336274948198/1037348587241222144

I'd prefer a link to a reputable source saying the same as you do

12:53

other than you

yeah and i want a source that keeping old hardware is better

sure, I'll dig that out

considering all factors, worse software etc.

if I find that, you'll agree?

then i agree that old hardware might be better for the environment as of 2022

I don't think that argument matters for DDNet. We are a low-resource free game, thus some players naturally will have old bad hardware and not be able to upgrade.

yes

12:55

but the question is how long, how long of support

12:55

15 years?

12:55

20 years?

12:55

30years?

It should be a tradeoff between effort from our side

u have to be aware we cannot really evolve our renderers if we keep 1.x for ever

not a specific number of years

if u ok with ddnet staying the same for ever then im fine

What do you want to do with evolved renderers?

12:56

What is the goal? More performance?

well mappers e.g. want more control over their map rendering. Shaders for speicific effects etc.

If those effects are just to look nice, then I'd be fine with saying they are not supported on older opengl and putting a warning on that graphics setting. And people who still use opengl 1.x can keep playing, but won't see new effects

i agree with that

12:57

but sadly it still bloats the code

12:57

and makes it harder to maintain

12:58

even now i feel like we have too many renderers

12:58

3.3 + vk would be more than enough and would drop all the if branches in the non backend code

Keeping 1.x is probably non negotiable. You are kinda wasting your breath there (edited)

probably yes

2.x and 3.0 might be dropped I guess

yes but always keep in mind we do it for 10%, not for the 90% that have new hardware anyway

13:01

& with new i mean max 8 years

Most platforms support vulkan? Right now only macOS doesn't I think

i guess all except macos

13:01

and ios

13:01

except for moltenvk

Oh, seems the moltenvk issue is fixed with macOS Ventura: https://github.com/KhronosGroup/MoltenVK/issues/1407

Framerate is always twice than the monitor refresh · Issue #1407 · ...

I completed both tutorials for https://vulkan-tutorial.com/ and https://vkguide.dev/ and their code makes my render loop twice as fast as the monitor refresh rate. If I'm at 60hz I get 120f...

would be cool

We should probably switch to Vulkan by default a version or two before removing the other backends

yeah there is no hurry for that tbh if we keep at least one old renderer anyway

I cannot connect to ger3 or ger10 servers, it says connected getting game info

16:54

any fix pls ?

16:55

I could connect before i dont know what happend i never switched anything with the game

http://ger10.ddnet.org

16:58

ger3 doesn't exist anymore i believe

Why do people keep talking about GER3 whic hasn't existed for a while?

mandela effect

17:04

it never existed

Jupstar ✪

mandela effect

mandela never died actually

17:05

it's double mandela effect

deleting tele with shift + leftclick leaves the number

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Chairn

ger3 doesn't exist anymore i believe

ger3 was my bad, that was in Kog but ger10 didnt work now all of a suddenly it works wtf?

17:50

i can connect now

17:50

weird asf

Cactus

ger3 was my bad, that was in Kog but ger10 didnt work now all of a suddenly it works wtf?

when it doesn't work the next time, try going to https://ger10.ddnet.org/ and trying again

oh

17:57

so me connecting to the link fixed it ?

yes

damn

18:03

ty

18:03

i also wanna thank me, for clicking the link knowing what i was doing poggers2

poggers2

leaking your ip to ddnet =] (edited)

which is also leaked when you connect to ddnet servers ^^

18:05

but "leaking to ddnet" is probably not a bad thing

well yeah

18:06

that's what a ddnet admin would say

monkalaugh

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yep

justatest

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