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Between 2022-10-23 00:00:00Z and 2022-10-24 00:00:00Z
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 06:57:56Z
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neovim 0.8 poggers
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using tree-sitter + https://github.com/EdenEast/nightfox.nvim
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there is this variant
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 08:01:11Z
nice, perfect IDE to do some rust coding for ddnet ;9
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 08:02:23Z
kek
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-10-23 08:37:59Z
ddnet-rs
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Jupstar ✪
nice, perfect IDE to do some rust coding for ddnet ;9
ReiTW 2022-10-23 08:50:12Z
Still not an ide
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 08:52:10Z
looks a lot like an IDE to me
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if u code and compile in that tool its an IDE
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Ryozuki
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 08:53:54Z
does ur text editor provide syntax checking? or pure text editor?
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Jupstar ✪
if u code and compile in that tool its an IDE
ReiTW 2022-10-23 08:57:24Z
An IDE comes with pre-installed tools to build, debug etc.., same for vscode it's not an IDE, but you can still achieve the same if you pass 30min configuring it
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 08:57:39Z
yes and as soon as you done that its an ide
08:57
what disqualifies it as an IDE then?
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ReiTW 2022-10-23 08:57:47Z
No
08:57
As I said
08:58
An IDE is: install and it works
08:58
Vscode for example you have to take forever to config
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Jupstar ✪
does ur text editor provide syntax checking? or pure text editor?
Ryozuki 2022-10-23 08:58:30Z
i dont compile in nvim
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 08:58:34Z
he installed and it works
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ReiTW 2022-10-23 08:58:38Z
It's a code editor, that's all
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 08:58:43Z
nvim comes with lsp support tho
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and lsp checks errors
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such as syntax
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and provides autocomplete
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GitHub BOT 2022-10-23 08:59:05Z
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Robyt3
[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #5970 Handle all `MultiByteToWideChar` and `WideCharToMultiByte` return values
Separated from #5969.
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 08:59:09Z
i think you are too focused about splitting IDE from text editor if u code, have code syntax etc. its an IDE
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ReiTW 2022-10-23 08:59:22Z
No
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gerdoe 2022-10-23 08:59:39Z
its an enviroment
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environment
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you can achieve as you want to
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it*
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ReiTW 2022-10-23 09:00:35Z
But well ig many people has different approach about that, It is never mentioned that vscode is an ide but a code editor etc.., same for sublime, same for vim, etc..
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:00:47Z
yes
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vscode is a text editor
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gerdoe 2022-10-23 09:00:53Z
pure vscode != ide
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configured vscode == ide
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:01:01Z
and vscode with c++ extensions gives me everything an IDE gives
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ReiTW 2022-10-23 09:01:43Z
Still not an IDE, but it is similar, an IDE still is different as you install it with all the tools required, that's all, it's integrated
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:01:44Z
the problem is, its simply not well defined
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ReiTW 2022-10-23 09:02:03Z
You press the install button
09:02
Everything is already set
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:02:34Z
wikipedia: "One aim of the IDE is to reduce the configuration necessary to piece together multiple development utilities." now does VSCode provide you that? I'd say yes, u install c++ extension and give it a go
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except you call installing a simple extension a configuration
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ReiTW 2022-10-23 09:03:14Z
Your point of view, for me it is still not, for Microsoft too
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GitHub BOT 2022-10-23 09:13:17Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5971 Use `fegetenv`/`fesetenv` instead of `_control87` on Windows
As _control87 doesn't seem to be available for some MinGW compilers. Closes #5969.

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  • [X] Tested the change ingame
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  • [ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
  • [ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
  • [ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
  • [ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
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Learath2 2022-10-23 09:16:13Z
Nothing about these vscode or nvim setups are well integrated enough to be called an IDE. Sure it got better but these are all plugins made by different authors. They break they can be misconfigured in a way that they dont interact properly
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Atleast imo, you are free to define IDE however you like I suppose. If for you having a build button makes it an IDE, so be it 😛
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:18:21Z
well the c++ extensions from microsoft are automatically activated
09:18
i'd call it an IDE yes
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Robyt3 2022-10-23 09:19:01Z
But does it come with a compiler?
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:19:09Z
does eclipse come with one?
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Robyt3 2022-10-23 09:19:12Z
Yes
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:19:17Z
in fact setting up eclipse is harder imo
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Learath2 2022-10-23 09:19:29Z
Eclipse for java does iirc
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Robyt3 2022-10-23 09:19:35Z
Eclipse is all plugins, so it's not an IDE troll
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:19:47Z
i see ^^
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Learath2 2022-10-23 09:20:12Z
CLion doesn't come with a compiler either but I'd still call it an IDE. It's an out of the box experience, integrated by a company to be a certain way
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:21:17Z
my points is really more about complexity than if its important if its an IDE or text editor if i need 5 clicks to have a great debugging/coding etc. experience with vscode (clangd e.g. installs the clang server itself if not found in path) then i'd not call it a text editor anymore sure the base is an highly extensible text editor
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Learath2 2022-10-23 09:22:12Z
Honestly, never been that easy for me. Some part of that setup just keeps breaking for me, never really got the debugging working at all
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:22:35Z
i had this experience more with eclipse actually
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which didnt have a good cmake plugin
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couldnt do outer source build
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Learath2
Honestly, never been that easy for me. Some part of that setup just keeps breaking for me, never really got the debugging working at all
Learath2 2022-10-23 09:23:22Z
I personally don't care. But if I'm told something is an IDE I really just expect to click build or debug and it just works
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:24:06Z
I'd agree if a compiler would be a must have
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Learath2 2022-10-23 09:25:15Z
Fwiw everything I would classify as an IDE does bundle a compiler in some way. Just not all as integrated as eclipse
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I think CLion installs a compiler to use
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:25:39Z
so visual studio is the only real IDE? 😄
09:25
comes with everything preinstalled
09:25
just takes 20 years to install
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Learath2 2022-10-23 09:26:01Z
Well eclipse also bundles a java compiler in some way
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:26:15Z
i bet vscode bundles lot of javascript tools too
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bcs thats their main target group still
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:26:41Z
it doesnt come with nodejs
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Learath2 2022-10-23 09:26:44Z
Eclipse, Netbeans, VS, CLion, DevC++
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These are what I'd call ide's. Highly integrated out of the box experiences
09:27
XCode
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:27:44Z
stackoverflow gives a shit in their surveys.. are they now considered unreliable? https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#integrated-development-environment some ppl could have not answered it bcs they dont use vim or vscode as IDE 😉 (edited)
Stack Overflow Developer Survey 2022
In May 2022 over 70,000 developers told us how they learn and level up, which tools they’re using, and what they want.
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:28:09Z
@Jupstar ✪ do u use kate?
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Ryozuki
@Jupstar ✪ do u use kate?
Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:28:19Z
only as text editor, but yeah sometimes 😄
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:28:32Z
this might be the future: https://lapce.dev/
Lapce
Lightning-fast and Powerful Code Editor
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its like vscode but it uses rust
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so its rly fast
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and it doesnt compile to webasm
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:28:47Z
i've already used it
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:28:47Z
its native
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Native GUI with GPU acceleration in Rust, no more waiting on launching the editor, and any lag on your keystroke will be treated as a bug and get fixed.
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:29:03Z
its fast, but still too unfinished
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Learath2 2022-10-23 09:29:06Z
I gueess maybe you could argue that what Ryozuki ended up configuring became an IDE. As he took the time to make it a robust experience
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:29:27Z
anyway for me its also really not about the word
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but more how he uses it
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i dont want to call it text editor
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bcs then i think of notepad
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Jupstar ✪
bcs then i think of notepad
Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:29:50Z
ur a linux user
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say "leafpad"
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or stallman will bonk u
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Jupstar ✪
stackoverflow gives a shit in their surveys.. are they now considered unreliable? https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#integrated-development-environment some ppl could have not answered it bcs they dont use vim or vscode as IDE 😉 (edited)
Learath2 2022-10-23 09:30:05Z
You must know by now that I don't believe in appeals to authority. If a definition is not concrete, it's up to debate
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:30:08Z
BASED
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ReiTW 2022-10-23 09:30:29Z
ee best text editor
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rammstein 2022-10-23 09:30:35Z
@Learath2 dm
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:30:38Z
ex best editor
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idk how to use it even
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ReiTW 2022-10-23 09:30:46Z
cat <<< best text editor
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:30:51Z
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_(text_editor)
Ex (text editor)
ex, short for EXtended, is a line editor for Unix systems originally written by Bill Joy in 1976, beginning with an earlier program written by Charles Haley. Multiple implementations of the program exist; they are standardized by POSIX.
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:30:52Z
i use micro in terminal
09:30
better than nano and vi 😉
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:31:12Z
Initial release March 9, 1978; 44 years ago (as part of 1BSD)
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:31:20Z
https://github.com/zyedidia/micro
GitHub - zyedidia/micro: A modern and intuitive terminal-based text...
A modern and intuitive terminal-based text editor. Contribute to zyedidia/micro development by creating an account on GitHub.
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Learath2 2022-10-23 09:31:27Z
I only use dd to edit text
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ReiTW 2022-10-23 09:31:28Z
I'll attempt to switch from vim to helix
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Jupstar ✪
https://github.com/zyedidia/micro
Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:31:33Z
eww go software
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BASED
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Jupstar ✪
https://github.com/zyedidia/micro
ReiTW 2022-10-23 09:31:53Z
helix https://helix-editor.com/ (edited)
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rammstein 2022-10-23 09:31:54Z
@Learath2 do you look private
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:32:14Z
@rammstein we have an important discussion
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:32:24Z
yes this is more important than any other problem
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Learath2 2022-10-23 09:32:29Z
I'm scared to look
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:32:45Z
@Learath2 that question is a bit weird, what does it mean for you to look "private"?
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BASED
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rammstein 2022-10-23 09:32:51Z
fear
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:33:56Z
@Jupstar ✪ best tool for benchmarking
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https://github.com/sharkdp/hyperfine
GitHub - sharkdp/hyperfine: A command-line benchmarking tool
A command-line benchmarking tool. Contribute to sharkdp/hyperfine development by creating an account on GitHub.
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obviously made in rust
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Ryozuki
https://github.com/sharkdp/hyperfine
Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:34:17Z
it'd be better with 0% python (edited)
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:34:48Z
they are scripts for smth idk what
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"""This program shows hyperfine benchmark results in a sequential way in order to debug possible background interference, caching effects, thermal throttling and similar effects. """
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Ryozuki
eww go software
Learath2 2022-10-23 09:35:00Z
I'm starting to like Go. Definitely not because the Go society at my uni has an absurd women to men ratio
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:35:08Z
justatest
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:35:11Z
lol
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i never read or write go code xD
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:35:20Z
go is like the compiled python
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:35:25Z
and i'm not really planning to either xD
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:35:31Z
so easy, and also so easy to fuck up
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the lang itself is badly made
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https://fasterthanli.me/articles/i-want-off-mr-golangs-wild-ride https://fasterthanli.me/articles/some-mistakes-rust-doesnt-catch
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Learath2 2022-10-23 09:36:59Z
Go is compiled python made with parallel processing in mind. It is a cute idea
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:37:02Z
https://fasterthanli.me/articles/lies-we-tell-ourselves-to-keep-using-golang
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xd
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some golang devs ddosed this blog
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:37:54Z
someday i want to see a "One day in the life of Ryo" to understand how he finds all these sources always so fast he the rust warrior against any coding language xD
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:37:56Z
cuz angery
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xd
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Jupstar ✪
someday i want to see a "One day in the life of Ryo" to understand how he finds all these sources always so fast he the rust warrior against any coding language xD
Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:38:10Z
lmao
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its cuz i remember em
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Learath2 2022-10-23 09:41:24Z
Ryo has a blogpost for everything just like I have a talk for everything 😛
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Learath2
Go is compiled python made with parallel processing in mind. It is a cute idea
Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:41:33Z
but python most strength is from being preinstalled on all linux systems
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and not compiled
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Learath2 2022-10-23 09:41:43Z
God I hate doing ban appeals in the morning 😭
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Ryozuki
but python most strength is from being preinstalled on all linux systems
Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:42:05Z
if u compile stuff u dont need an intepreter pre installed 😉
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:42:10Z
kek
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ReiTW 2022-10-23 09:43:00Z
when ddnet programming language
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:43:12Z
there is
09:43
https://github.com/Aerll/rpp
GitHub - Aerll/rpp: Language for generating DDNet's automapper rules.
Language for generating DDNet's automapper rules. Contribute to Aerll/rpp development by creating an account on GitHub.
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:43:37Z
xd
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ReiTW 2022-10-23 09:43:52Z
tf
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:43:58Z
that's defs the most tryhard project i've seen yet xDD
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:44:16Z
thats pog
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time to rewrite it in rust troll
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:44:32Z
rusty-rules
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:44:40Z
rustynet
09:45
nah buts its cool
09:45
idk how worth it is to learn vs writing the rules directly tho xd
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Learath2 2022-10-23 09:45:32Z
Language for generating ddnet automapper rules that is very nested ;D
09:45
Why not just a better automapper language
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:45:55Z
or a GUI for automapping
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bcs most ppl are potatos like me
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:46:37Z
oh wait
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this is not a automapper for the rules on ddnet
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its a map generator language
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i think
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:47:02Z
rules++ is a simple language written in C++, which allows you to create the most complex automappers.
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:47:10Z
uh
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:47:13Z
so yeah
09:47
dunno
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:47:18Z
ok got confused
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:47:24Z
"an executable, which translates rules++ code to rules"
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guess it should say most complex automapper rules
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to be less confusable
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ReiTW 2022-10-23 09:49:34Z
tf call of duty is a real movie, these devs etc.. are fucking tryharders
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Ravie Senpai 2022-10-23 09:50:01Z
DDNet > CoD
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ReiTW 2022-10-23 09:50:10Z
there's no cinematics on ddnet
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Ravie Senpai 2022-10-23 09:50:24Z
@cinematicGuy
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ReiTW 2022-10-23 09:50:42Z
yes important, the story
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:50:54Z
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gABqBXb7XYA
Prudrugtiq
Teeworlds Animation [ChillerDragon]
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Ravie Senpai 2022-10-23 09:50:54Z
DDNet has the best (D)DoS story out here
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ReiTW 2022-10-23 09:50:59Z
lmao
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Jupstar ✪
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gABqBXb7XYA
Ravie Senpai 2022-10-23 09:51:03Z
feelsamazingman
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ReiTW 2022-10-23 09:51:11Z
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0K7LkMONxU
Alamir
Ghost reveals his face #callofduty #modernwarfare2 #mw2 #ghost
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Jupstar ✪
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gABqBXb7XYA
ReiTW 2022-10-23 09:51:17Z
damn
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teeworlds should support rtx & dlss
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:51:45Z
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8A37_MHxmg damn, chillerdragon, ur third try is even cool xD
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Teeworlds Animation 3 [ChillerDragon]
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has potential
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ReiTW 2022-10-23 09:52:11Z
lmao wtff
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Ravie Senpai 2022-10-23 09:52:51Z
Cinematic from DDNet would be cool tho
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:53:39Z
we have that too
09:53
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgEpIIG1k4c
Patiga
Miners - Blender & Teeworlds/DDNet
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Ravie Senpai 2022-10-23 09:53:51Z
The video against the bots?
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Ah
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:53:57Z
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG0qbET6t54
louis
DDraceNetwork Trailer
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Jupstar ✪
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgEpIIG1k4c
Ravie Senpai 2022-10-23 09:54:18Z
That's really nice
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:54:19Z
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVWF1N1e-xo this is also insanly cool
Patiga
Firewatch Experimental Intro - Blender & Teeworlds/DDNet
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patiga is best
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ReiTW
teeworlds should support rtx & dlss
Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:54:46Z
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88xtJ_jLVM8
Patiga
Water Simulation - Blender & Teeworlds/DDNet
09:54
real water physics
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Jupstar ✪
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88xtJ_jLVM8
ReiTW 2022-10-23 09:55:03Z
yea I've seen that, that's so cool blender is capable of that
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:55:14Z
u want it ingame?
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ReiTW 2022-10-23 09:55:22Z
issou why not
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:55:34Z
2 fps on potato PC, but i like it 😄
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ReiTW 2022-10-23 09:55:35Z
same fluid physics
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xD
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 09:55:40Z
at least raytracing
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ReiTW 2022-10-23 09:55:53Z
dlss for frame generation
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then u ask nvidia to do a video about ddnet
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no dlss + dlss 3 comparison
09:56
800fps up to 1600
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dunno how much fps u can achieve with a 4090 on ddnet
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 09:57:17Z
ill test soon
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ReiTW 2022-10-23 09:57:29Z
justatest
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Ravie Senpai 2022-10-23 09:57:39Z
You need to achieve the psu for it first justatest
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Anime.pdf BOT 2022-10-23 10:16:24Z
Send 0.8 water, i saw it few times but never can't find it 😩 (@Jupstar ✪)
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Jupstar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88xtJ_jLVM8 (@ReiTW)
2022-10-23 09:54:46Z
10:16
Where guy shooting water and it renders physics properly
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-10-23 10:21:40Z
You know that 0.8 probably will actually contain water?
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Anime.pdf BOT 2022-10-23 10:24:51Z
I doubt i will see 0.8, my children probably
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ReiTW
dunno how much fps u can achieve with a 4090 on ddnet
Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 10:28:26Z
cpu is bottleneck sadly friend only got ~7-8k on windows
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 12:25:44Z
@Learath2 https://www.science.org/content/article/space-based-solar-power-getting-serious-can-it-solve-earth-s-energy-woes
Science | AAAS
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lol
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24/7 solar panel
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Space-based solar power is getting serious—can it solve Earth’s energy woes?
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5c11937 Use fegetenv/fesetenv instead of _control87 on Windows - Robyt3 b4b9cb1 Merge #5971 - bors[bot]
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #5969 Compilation is broken on windows with mingw64
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #5971 Use `fegetenv`/`fesetenv` instead of `_control87` on Windows
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Jupstar ✪
or a GUI for automapping
Voxel 2022-10-23 14:22:13Z
id love that but idk how itd work
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 14:23:40Z
i know bcs i already did it for a different game xd
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Voxel 2022-10-23 14:24:12Z
oh coool
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Meekrioz 2022-10-23 14:25:54Z
Both codes have the result, right?
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 14:34:02Z
yes
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Meekrioz 2022-10-23 14:34:14Z
Ok
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 14:34:23Z
you can do lot of things multiple ways in sql
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and some rdbms have stuff others dont
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but there is a standard
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Voxel 2022-10-23 14:36:03Z
sql scares me LOL
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Meekrioz 2022-10-23 14:36:38Z
SQL!!!!! @Voxel
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boo
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Anime.pdf 2022-10-23 14:37:33Z
select * from USERS where NAME = 'A';
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troll
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Meekrioz 2022-10-23 14:39:31Z
SELECT * from * YEP
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 14:40:03Z
my gentoo uses 360mb ram without anything
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well, the terminal is open
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and postgresql actually
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BASED
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Learath2 2022-10-23 14:45:02Z
JetBrainsMono Nerd 🤓
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Learath2
JetBrainsMono Nerd 🤓
Ryozuki 2022-10-23 14:45:11Z
its so i can show powerline icons
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my neovim improved form this morning
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Meekrioz 2022-10-23 14:45:29Z
Such a nerd
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Nerdge
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 14:45:37Z
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look at the bottom var
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bar
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much wow
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i got a tux
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cuz LF line endings
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i get warnings too
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@Jupstar ✪
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@Learath2 do u know if its possible to show warnings always when e.g rerunning ninja
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it often only shows warnings from clean builds
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and afterwards not
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but i prefer the behaviour where it shows the warns always
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like cargo does
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Ryozuki
@Jupstar ✪
Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 14:49:08Z
yes what do u want to tell me ?
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Jupstar ✪
yes what do u want to tell me ?
Ryozuki 2022-10-23 14:49:18Z
my neovim is ide like
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gigachad
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 14:49:23Z
ah 😄
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Learath2 2022-10-23 14:49:32Z
Doubt it, incremental builds don’t ever touch the same files. Idk if there is an option to pretend warned files changed
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 14:49:43Z
ninja should save the warnings
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and output them again if the file didnt change
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@Learath2 are you using pipeware on gentoo?
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or pulse
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i went with pulse for now
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Learath2 2022-10-23 14:52:20Z
Pulse, I wanted pipewire but didn’t really feel like messing around with it while I was setting up
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 14:57:12Z
same
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 15:06:08Z
the life of a gentooer
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1 minute not bad
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Ryozuki
ninja should save the warnings
heinrich5991 2022-10-23 15:37:13Z
don't think this functionality exists. you could compile with -Werror to make it stop on warnings
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 15:41:56Z
discord is much more snappier on my self compiled firefox
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than running the app
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also for some reason the app is locked to low fps
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i can scroll smoothly 144hz here
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the only problem is sometimes typing fast on discord web kinda freezes it for some reason
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-10-23 16:08:21Z
r u using a stable firefox build?
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the dev build is often pretty buggy for me. sometimes the complete instance just hangs
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 16:08:51Z
105.0.2 (64-bit) rn, but i know 106 is out im just not updating yet
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 16:36:59Z
mysql -u teeworlds -p'PW2' teeworlds < ddnet-sql/record_*.sql bash: ddnet-sql/record_*.sql: ambiguous redirect
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guess the readme was not made for bash
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heinrich5991 2022-10-23 16:37:25Z
deen uses zsh
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 16:37:37Z
how would i fix this?
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heinrich5991 2022-10-23 16:37:55Z
cat ddnet-sql/record_*.sql | mysql -u …
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you can PR it if you want 🙂
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 16:38:26Z
what was the progress pipe program called
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cuz this will take a while and im curious
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heinrich5991 2022-10-23 16:38:32Z
pv
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you can also use progress
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it works on programs that use files as input (it doesn't do anything with pipes)
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 16:39:26Z
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i wanna try making a fancy data oriented stats page
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if i have the willpower to finish another project
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kek
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Ryozuki
mysql -u teeworlds -p'PW2' teeworlds < ddnet-sql/record_*.sql bash: ddnet-sql/record_*.sql: ambiguous redirect
ReiTW 2022-10-23 16:40:26Z
funny, this should work
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I use bash and I do it this way too
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 16:40:54Z
hmm idk why
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stupid single core import
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it runs at 300kb
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Ryozuki 2022-10-23 17:12:26Z
33 mins in
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still going
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maybe ill surrender
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https://ddnet.org/stats/ddnet.sqlite.zip
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does this has the same?
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and is it updated xD
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Meekrioz 2022-10-23 17:26:20Z
i had to do some projects and exercises right now, yes i used my cheatsheet for some, but most of it was lightwork.. the only thing i struggled with was "rename multiple columns" because i've never done it before, but now i know :)
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Dev7z 2022-10-23 18:09:45Z
tf did you guys do to ddmax (edited)
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Cellegen 2022-10-23 18:19:15Z
they nerfed them trollge
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Chairn 2022-10-23 18:19:37Z
to be honest, i think it's less intuitive now for new comers
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Cellegen 2022-10-23 18:20:36Z
because of this change, everybody will be confused, but we'll get used to it as usual
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clueless
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GitHub BOT 2022-10-23 18:26:05Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5972 Update simplified_chinese.txt

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  • [ ] Tested the change ingame
  • [ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
  • [ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
  • [ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
  • [ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
  • [ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
  • [ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-ad...
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5973 Update traditional_chinese.txt

Checklist

  • [ ] Tested the change ingame
  • [ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
  • [ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
  • [ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
  • [ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
  • [ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
  • [ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-ad...
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Meekrioz 2022-10-23 19:01:18Z
SELECT category, SUM(downloads) FROM fake_apps WHERE downloads < 10000 GROUP by category;
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why does it show downloads greater than 10000?
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even tho the clause is "less than" ?
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ReiTW 2022-10-23 19:08:36Z
because of your sum ig
f3 1
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you have to do
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SUM(downloads) < 10000
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pilonpl 2022-10-23 19:09:20Z
The computer is dumb
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ReiTW 2022-10-23 19:09:21Z
or you can just rename SUM(downloads) as blabla
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ig, kinda forgot how to use sql
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pilonpl
The computer is dumb
pilonpl 2022-10-23 19:09:48Z
But that's actually a good thing
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ReiTW 2022-10-23 19:09:56Z
it is not dumb
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this is logical
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GitHub BOT 2022-10-23 19:09:58Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #5974 Ctrl + c from rcon & local console sometimes isn't work
Ctrl + c from rcon & local console sometimes isn't work. Windows 10 OS build: 19043.2130 Game version: 16040 At least, noticed, if I spam: "language switch, then ctrl + C", it's copy sometimes. So, it's annoying.
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pilonpl 2022-10-23 19:10:12Z
It totally is logical
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ReiTW
SUM(downloads) < 10000
Meekrioz 2022-10-23 19:11:13Z
meh this doesnt work
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i mean it's just an exercise for myself if im being honest. i've already done the part the course is asking for but i was like... "what if i wanna see only download BELOW 10000" and group them by the category
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Meekrioz
meh this doesnt work
Learath2 2022-10-23 19:34:02Z
What you are looking for is a having clause. If you do HAVING SUM(downloads) < 10000 at the end it should work. Problem you are having is that WHERE clauses always happen before GROUP BY. At that point SUM(downloads) doesn’t even make sense
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Meekrioz 2022-10-23 19:36:46Z
ok well, i'm not at "having" clauses yet so i guess i'll wait for that :D
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but i dont know why SUM(downloads) doesnt make sense when i use WHERE and GROUP BY
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Learath2 2022-10-23 19:39:06Z
Because WHEN happens at the very start of execution. When you do a query, the SQL engine comes up with an execution plan. A series of steps (very specific, down to the specific method used to filter stuff) to perform on the rows to get you your results. WHEN is step 1 where everything gets filtered
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WHERE*
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So when you are at the start of execution. How is the sql engine supposed to know the SUM of downloads? It hasn’t done anything yet
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Meekrioz 2022-10-23 19:40:03Z
ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
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so i cant use SUM() and WHERE in the same execution?
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Learath2 2022-10-23 19:40:48Z
You can’t use any aggregate function in WHERE. No SUM, No AVG etc.
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Your WHERE clause can not involve an aggregate
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Meekrioz 2022-10-23 19:41:39Z
i'm writing that down lol
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Learath2 2022-10-23 19:41:59Z
HAVING is the opposite. It happens at the end of execution. So we already have our rows and we’ve calculated our aggregates for the groups. Now we can filter using the aggregates
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Hope that makes some sort of sense, I tried to keep it accurate enough while keeping it simple. There is ofc more to it, but thinking like this should have no harm
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Meekrioz 2022-10-23 19:43:25Z
yea i get that, WHERE is bad for aggregations and HAVING is good for them YEP (edited)
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for now, that is more than enough to know
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thank you
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Learath2 2022-10-23 19:44:13Z
I gave a little more context because it might matter later on in your journey. So it’s good to know why aswell, even just in the corner of your mind
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Meekrioz 2022-10-23 19:46:14Z
it's weird that they haven't mentioned it in the course
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or maybe it's just simple and you should know that
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Learath2 2022-10-23 19:46:45Z
Well if you are just learning GROUP BY. HAVING is probably next 😄
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You should have read the manga guide to databases. It has a good teaching order 😛
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Learath2
Well if you are just learning GROUP BY. HAVING is probably next 😄
Meekrioz 2022-10-23 19:48:40Z
i'm at GROUP BY 2 now and i can't wrap my head around it LUL
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Learath2
You should have read the manga guide to databases. It has a good teaching order 😛
Meekrioz 2022-10-23 19:48:48Z
manga guide? PauseChamp
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Meekrioz
manga guide? PauseChamp
Learath2 2022-10-23 19:49:06Z
https://oberstar.eu.org/share/Documents/The-Manga-guide-to-databases.pdf 😛
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It is surprisingly decent for what looks like a meme
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Meekrioz 2022-10-23 19:49:45Z
i will look into it tomorrow :D
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thanks
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Learath2 2022-10-23 19:50:04Z
Don’t confuse yourself if you are already following sth
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Meekrioz 2022-10-23 19:51:17Z
maybe ill check it after i'm done with my course, i'm at 28%
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but....the hardest modules are infront of me lol
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Learath2 2022-10-23 19:53:26Z
Fwiw, most of the time you use a small subset of SQL. But there are some complex things in there incase you need them
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Meekrioz 2022-10-23 19:55:19Z
yeaaa, one of the exercises i took..it was only WHERE and BETWEEN and some LIKE, OR and AND even tho i learned DISTINCT, LIKE, IS NOT NULL etc.
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Meekrioz
i'm at GROUP BY 2 now and i can't wrap my head around it LUL
Meekrioz 2022-10-23 20:10:08Z
nvm.
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Learath2
Well if you are just learning GROUP BY. HAVING is probably next 😄
Meekrioz 2022-10-23 20:24:59Z
lmao HAVING was right after GROUP BY 2 OMEGADANCE
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When we want to limit the results of a query based on values of the individual rows, use WHERE. When we want to limit the results of a query based on an aggregate property, use HAVING. (edited)
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^there is the explanation
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GitHub BOT 2022-10-23 20:56:22Z
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[ddnet:master] 3 new commits
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #5972 Update simplified_chinese.txt
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Meekrioz
lmao HAVING was right after GROUP BY 2 OMEGADANCE
Anime.pdf 2022-10-23 21:19:46Z
Well, HAVING has no sense without GROUP BY, so it makes sense 🤓 (edited)
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Meekrioz 2022-10-23 21:20:38Z
SELECT first_name, COUNT(*) AS 'count' FROM users GROUP BY first_name ORDER BY 2 DESC; to what exactly is the 2 referring to?
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Anime.pdf 2022-10-23 21:22:22Z
Each number represents a position in the field list
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Meekrioz 2022-10-23 21:22:32Z
those are the collumns, so 2 should be "first_name" right?
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Anime.pdf 2022-10-23 21:22:40Z
No
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Its referencing your selected fields (edited)
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(maybe)?
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Never saw that syntax before
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Tbh
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Meekrioz 2022-10-23 21:23:29Z
but with COUNT(*) i selected all rows (edited)
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Meekrioz
but with COUNT(*) i selected all rows (edited)
Anime.pdf 2022-10-23 21:24:42Z
You selected number of all rows justatest
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Meekrioz 2022-10-23 21:25:47Z
i'm still unsure what the fucking "2" is referring to
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OHHH is it referring to the second column in my SELECT statement so to the "COUNT(*) AS 'count'?
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Anime.pdf 2022-10-23 21:48:48Z
Yes
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Meekrioz 2022-10-23 22:09:31Z
i just gave up with aggregations, i can't wrap my head around coding them. Maybe i'm too tired but it really is frustrating rn..
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