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Between 2022-10-10 00:00:00Z and 2022-10-11 00:00:00Z

Learath2

64 bit counter, 100ns per increment since windows epoch iirc

windows epoch starts 10000BC??

05:47

100ns into 64 bit counters adds up to 58k years

Learath2

Oh, maybe you built feh without xinerama support?

this fixed it!

Now just gotta test audio and i think i got a usable gentoo desktop

07:03

Without systemd monkalaugh

monkalaugh

(edited)

Chairn

windows epoch starts 10000BC??

There is a futher max, FILETIME values can't be larger than 0x8000000000000000

lmao i just found the most cursed way to share github commits https://github.com/sirius1242/ddnet/tree-commit/e0f59cd454b5f8a6a0a16ad530a1ac918cdf7c42

@Learath2 do u recommend using a experimental kernel with gentoo?

09:50

I want 5.17 for the amd p state driver and experimental for support for znver3 march when compiling (edited)

09:51

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Ryzen

09:54

(the kernel itself)

Well, the only issue with an unstable kernel is that it's not as well tested, but they usually work

Hello

Well on arch i used thebl bleeding edge

10:00

Hi

Well give it a go, I doubt you'll have any issues

I have modern hardware and no wifi

10:01

I think ill benefit from a modern kernep

10:01

Stupid Mobile

I ran unstable for a long time on my laptop and only once had a panic

10:02

I think 6.0 is out, no?

Ye

10:04

But there was an issue with a intel driver

10:04

It could break the intel gpus? Xd

10:04

Anyway i dont use intel

10:04

Oh it could break ur monitor lmao

10:05

https://www.techspot.com/news/96204-linux-kernel-51912-can-damage-intel-laptop-lcds.html

Linux kernel 5.19.12 can damage Intel laptop LCDs

Recent reports from Intel laptop users running Linux Kernel 5.19.12 describe "white flashing" on their screens. A Linux engineer found that the issue could ruin the LCD,...

afaik that was simply a "we can imagine it breaking a monitor in the worst case, but no one actually reported that"

Released for most major distros this week, Linux Kernel 6.0 supports the newest hardware architectures, including Raptor Lake, Meteor Lake, Arc Alchemist, and RDNA 3. It also marks a start for the operating system's entrance into Arm by introducing support for the Arm-based Qualcomm Snapdragon laptops. Furthermore, the new kernel fixes a vestigial 20-year-old workaround that slows down recent AMD processors.

heinrich5991

afaik that was simply a "we can imagine it breaking a monitor in the worst case, but no one actually reported that"

I guess xd

Huh, linux didnt have arm support before 6.0? I find thay hard to believe

Apparently its a real thing

10:11

For arm laptops

my phone is arm, it runs some linux fork

Lenovo x13

I doubt google patched linux to support arm for my phone

10:12

https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/102232 ← finally, std::hint::black_box stabilized

10:12

this is useful in writing benchmark code to make sure constants aren't optimized out

Nice

10:12

I always use criterion and it had one already tho

10:12

Criterion is rly nice

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

fbc4c9c Add favorite skins - Jupeyy 8de0247 Merge #5909 - bors[bot]

15:04

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #5909 Add favorite skins

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

99fbb32 Make submodules shallow by default - edg-l 674ac6d Merge #5839 - bors[bot]

15:24

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #5839 Make submodules shallow by default

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5925 Add note in README about how to convert shallow to full clone

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-ad...

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

6b331e6 Add note in README about how to convert shallow to full clone - def- 693d0ce Merge #5925 - bors[bot]

16:13

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #5925 Add note in README about how to convert shallow to full clone

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5926 Add cl_custom_animations

Feedback of community wasn't one-sided, so animations are optional now. They're on by default.

Checklist

[x] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[x] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested th...

18:28

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #5926 Add cl_custom_animations

yay new fork only to disable voxelations kekw

everyone LOVES me

ask russians tho

fr though do people hate the update THAT much

yup

cammo

they will stay on older version only cuz they can't play with these animations

please direct the hate at me

@gerdoe even tho i personally not against an option, but did they try the latest nightly? (edited)

it's the heinrich5991-no-options guy

Jupstar ✪

@gerdoe even tho i personally not against an option, but did they try the latest nightly? (edited)

what exactly do u mean? did they ever play with voxelations?

Jupstar ✪

@gerdoe even tho i personally not against an option, but did they try the latest nightly? (edited)

i have to say since the update running looks better than fast walking

gerdoe

what exactly do u mean? did they ever play with voxelations?

no, last night was an update

Jupstar ✪

i have to say since the update running looks better than fast walking

naah bro there's another thing

should be in the current nightly

i made it look better in nightly

it blurs ur eye when u play on fng race or another fast going mod

18:41

and see animations

18:41

and like

18:41

wtf happening

i kind of made it less distracting with this new update, turns out making the body bounce less does wonders

i'll ask them to try it out but i don't think that they change their minds

they should look when u walk fast vs when u run slow

heinrich5991

it's the heinrich5991-no-options guy

why btw?

because options are an open-source disease

18:43

instead of providing sensible defaults, we put everything behind an option. additionally, they're maintenance overhead

18:44

if you want to refactor something, you have to look at every affected option to see if it still works. if you add another option, you have to make sure it plays well with all other options

its not problem of only open-source

18:45

its disease of snowball updating

18:45

if u want to add new feature this feature should be incapsulated as much as it can to

imo the problem is a bit different We don't provide a clean API which you can build e.g. new animations based on that could disabled by simply disabling the code path (e.g. by a modding API) Also look at minecraft. 100 mods works somehow together. it needs a clean code flow. What we currently do is, put everything in place which bloats the code and makes it less readable and harder to test

1

and you can just say "hey guys defaults work better than custom settings, u should be careful with it"

gerdoe

and you can just say "hey guys defaults work better than custom settings, u should be careful with it"

that doesn't work. we'll get bug reports even with custom settings

Jupstar ✪

imo the problem is a bit different We don't provide a clean API which you can build e.g. new animations based on that could disabled by simply disabling the code path (e.g. by a modding API) Also look at minecraft. 100 mods works somehow together. it needs a clean code flow. What we currently do is, put everything in place which bloats the code and makes it less readable and harder to test

yes, an API to build upon would also be nice

so u want to give players white box and force them to play with it

18:47

even if they wanted black sphere

yes, basically. people like you can even compile their own ddnet if it bugs them so much

as i can

u can even use github actions ^^

but not majority of non-ddr players that play with ddnet client

yooo imagine ddnet code could support actual mods

its old problem that we had back then

18:48

hmm what client to play with

gerdoe

but not majority of non-ddr players that play with ddnet client

yes, you can help them. or you could maybe ask the Tater guy to add an option for it

18:49

in his client

ddnet code is not clean anyway

18:49

you will delete another options too?

if it's sensible, sure

its not that moment when you can say its pure core

18:50

teeworlds pure core

someone someday will make the code much better to handle

yeah waiting for scalable rusty tw server

18:51

or teesharp

that would do little for the client

yup

18:51

but then u can go along with client

gerdoe

they will stay on older version only cuz they can't play with these animations

then let them stay

18:54

nobody is forcing them

we cant support old versions forever xD same with old hardware it blocks all progress DDNet has to conquer the world, it needs more power

I disagree with the hardware bit ^^

well just bcs 5 ppl would be dropped

yes, five real users

but lets face it, 15years of hardware support is stupid

why? why should hardware be replaced if it works perfectly fine?

it doesnt work perfectly fine

19:10

it doesnt run on vulkan

19:10

it has no shader support

it does, it just doesn't support the new fancy thing that the programmer wants

19:10

but it supports all ddnet needs

i disagree with that

19:11

it supports what u think ddnet needs

with which part?

i think ddnet could evolve much quicker if we wouldnt be stuck since 5 years

yes lets use c++23 pls

19:12

i need std::expect and std::option to do rust-like programming in c++

we also use more and more multithreading, old hardware struggles with that too

Ryozuki

yes lets use c++23 pls

well i think 3-4 years is totally fine, but yeah lets go all in

19:13

we plan to use c++20 next year already

19:13

nice

it makes no sense to stay on outdated linux kernels

19:14

ur hardware suppoirts modern kernels

19:14

use a modern distro

19:14

with modern gcc

19:14

or clang

it seems we're arguing about different things

no im just adding to the things

one is hardware support, and one is compiler support

xd

these are entirely different things

19:15

you can have a new compiler and still support old machines

xd

but related to moving out of outdated stuff

old hardware uses more energy for doing less

@Jupstar ✪ using python uses more energy for doing less too

see

19:15

and vulkan uses less energy for doing more

got some numbers to back that up?

19:16

the last part

more fps = more efficient

@Learath2 do u know why my xcursor icon changes on everything but firefox?

ah, then we have different opinions on what's "doing more"

19:17

15k fps is stupid but there's no good alternative because there's no good API to find out when the screen is changing stuff

15k fps is firstly lot of fps

it's clearly a waste of energy, but there's no good way to avoid it without changing the output

19:17

because the APIs aren't there

@Jupstar ✪ i have a problem with your name

19:17

i can't type it in latex

and i bet my pc runs 15k fps with less energy than a gamer computer runs at 1k fps from 15 years ago

but I don't run at 1 k fps

Chairn

i can't type it in latex

nice sounds like a feature

I run at 60 fps, and I probably don't have a "gamer pc"

Jupstar ✪

nice sounds like a feature

if you don't want to appear in my acknowledgements

heinrich5991

I run at 60 fps, and I probably don't have a "gamer pc"

yes, and u are probably not taking this game serious enough that i'd consider you a "pro"

19:18

no hate

but then most people aren't pros, I guess?

One last thought for the online people who helped me relax after a hard day of work. Special thanks to \textbf{deen} who maintained \href{https://ddnet.org}{DDNet} tirelessly for almost 10 years now. Thanks to the \emph{old} guys team for the games on fridays or saturdays evening: \textbf{|Ŗaþŧurę|} (you will survive), \textbf{Sir Skeleton} (where are you?), \textbf{Sir Kruksic} (who are you?), \textbf{Kasia} (Weedo is alive), \textbf{MyStery.Fox}. Hello to the dev team: \textbf{Learath2}, \textbf{heinrich5991}, \textbf{Jupstar ✪}, \textbf{Ryozuki}, \textbf{Robyt3} and the newcomer \textbf{Voxel}.

star doesn't compile

but there are lot of pros, and pros stay

19:19

additction kicks in hard

oh getting acknowledged for helping you relax

19:19

thats dope

Chairn

One last thought for the online people who helped me relax after a hard day of work. Special thanks to \textbf{deen} who maintained \href{https://ddnet.org}{DDNet} tirelessly for almost 10 years now. Thanks to the \emph{old} guys team for the games on fridays or saturdays evening: \textbf{|Ŗaþŧurę|} (you will survive), \textbf{Sir Skeleton} (where are you?), \textbf{Sir Kruksic} (who are you?), \textbf{Kasia} (Weedo is alive), \textbf{MyStery.Fox}. Hello to the dev team: \textbf{Learath2}, \textbf{heinrich5991}, \textbf{Jupstar ✪}, \textbf{Ryozuki}, \textbf{Robyt3} and the newcomer \textbf{Voxel}.

star doesn't compile

i havent even done anything for you xDD

@Voxel poggers the newcomer

anyway @heinrich5991 i can surely understand that it sucks to drop ppl the question is, how long... there is always one troll staying on windows xp with his 1990 pc

19:21

imo it's insane to support them forever, just bcs we could

oh, my arch linux installation became 10 years old a month ago

BASED

Jupstar ✪

i havent even done anything for you xDD

you fixed 64 bit windows version to use graphic card with vulkan

19:22

okay, i think i found a replacement: \ding{74}

^^

pog firmware

Image attachment

Ryozuki

pog firmware

now rewrite for ryoos

@Jupstar ✪ i need to fix ryoos

19:24

it crashes sadge

19:24

and first i would need to write a usb driver

19:24

but usb spec is insane long

19:24

i cant imagine a gpu xd

yeah sounds annoying

19:24

start with GPU instead

https://helix-editor.com/

A post-modern modal text editor.

19:25

im gonna try this

where is mouse support

19:25

i didnt play teeworlds for 10 years to not use my aim

19:26

but dude the video is cool, its selectable xD

fixed your name

n1

Jupstar ✪

we cant support old versions forever xD same with old hardware it blocks all progress DDNet has to conquer the world, it needs more power

>adding new "wow"-feature >two-sided feedback >doesn't elaborate further troll

troll

19:29

troll community - troll devs troll

troll

code for ŧ

\newcommand{\tstroke}{\={}}
\usepackage{newunicodechar,relsize}
\newunicodechar{ŧ}{\texttstroke}
\DeclareRobustCommand{\texttstroke}{%
  \leavevmode
  \vbox{\offinterlineskip
    \sbox0{\larger[-1]\kern-.05em\tstroke}%
    \ialign{%
      \hfil##\hfil\cr
      {\larger[-1]\kern-.05em\tstroke}\cr
      \noalign{\kern-\ht0 \kern-.7ex}
      t\cr
    }%
  }%
}

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lmao, i hope the printer dies when trying to print these

why though?

19:31

hum, looks like pdf doesn't include good character when i copy paste it

What's this for?

Jupstar J

19:31

why J?

what

19:31

it copies to J?

|R , aþt̄ur ̨e|

19:31

yup

lol, utf8 is too hard, i always say that

rathture

learath hate in 3,2,1

Freaking weird, no?

@Chairn have u tried to open it in a browser?

ah no

19:33

upstar J,

19:33

same

19:33

i think it's just pdf format that doesn't support unicode

probs

like, it's letters + diacritics, not single chars

i am the most confused person anyway. we have so many formats all so different

when i copy |R, aþ ̄tur ̨e| and its t several times, it adds diacritic over some letters

but somehow it works most of the time xd

Voxel

What's this for?

phd acknowledgements

1

ohhhh

someday when chairn is fame, you are too

19:35

voxel the newcomer

same problem here about unicode pdf https://superuser.com/questions/92615/cannot-copy-non-latin-characters-from-pdf-document

probs ez like that, missing fonts and stuff too annoying

19:38

i am so old, i remember the time when PDFs got fame xDD

219 different fonts in my document

19:39

50 if you merge them

how tall is the PDF?

Chairn

219 different fonts in my document

Image attachment

tall? or big?

why so many fonts

176 pages for 4.2m

19:40

each figures has the font duplicated i think when being included

Chairn

tall? or big?

how many bytes

4.2mb

19:42

almost all figures are made with LaTeX

19:46

i think i killed the convo

wall of text

no more

Ryozuki

@Learath2 do u know why my xcursor icon changes on everything but firefox?

Not quite sure what you mean, but did you set a default cursor? otherwise you'll get the X

yay i got audio working

20:04

forgot to enable some kernel settings

20:07

its funny but i think i compile the kernel faster than ddnet

the config itself is probs already slower xD

xd

but maybe u build the most minimal kernel ever

well i enable only what i need

i did that too some day

20:10

and then ntfs didnt work xD

u need to enable ntfs xd

since then i stopped doing that

i dont enable it cuz i dont use ntfs

yes, but i thought i enabled it, but appraently only read only mode

maybe the driver didnt exist yet

until u need it

i think a rewrite is relatively new

and need to recompile xD

but its p fast xd

20:11

make sure to pass -j12

why should i limit my CPU to 12 threads

20:12

xd

20:12

i dunno, i remeber smth like 20-30 mins, but on ryzen 1800x

Jupstar ✪

why should i limit my CPU to 12 threads

well my cpu has 12 xd

it defs wasnt < 10 seconds like ddnet xd

Ryozuki

well my cpu has 12 xd

i know xd

my kernel legit compiles under 30s

clean compile?

20:13

never xD

20:13

u also need amdgpu bro

20:13

that alone probs takes like 5mins or more

i have amdgpu enabled

20:14

hmm

20:14

maybe its not clean

20:14

but i dont remember it taking long

20:15

@Jupstar ✪ does C code compile faster than c++

https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu?h=v6.0

Ryozuki

@Jupstar ✪ does C code compile faster than c++

yes much faster very likely

20:16

also much faster than rust

20:16

i mean its c

yeah rust compiles slow but cuz it checks for way more

20:16

its like running clang-analyzer

20:16

or smth

Jupstar ✪

https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu?h=v6.0

@Ryozuki see, this alone is bigger than whole ddnet project xD (edited)

xd

20:17

i got holidays starting from wednesday

20:17

ill have time to tweak my gentoo

imagine having more time and understanding all this code

20:17

would be soo cool

yeah

20:17

@Jupstar ✪ there is a rust vtuber

20:17

asashi lina

20:17

she did the gpu driver for the m1 linux port

yeah very pro

https://www.youtube.com/c/AsahiLina/videos

Asahi Lina / 朝日リナ

Hello, world! My name is Asahi Lina! I'm a Linux developer VTuber!

wtf

20:19

her voice sounds so pitched xD is she japanese?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oOQ0VtBxrU

Asahi Lina / 朝日リナ

M1 GPU hacking: Reverse Engineering & Mesa integration

i mean japanese are insane voice actors, they born with this talent xD

her vids are 8 or more hours long

Jupstar ✪

her voice sounds so pitched xD is she japanese?

idk xd

20:20

probs

20:20

i cant stand the voice either

20:20

and i like cute anime voices

cant believe she codes in kate xD

lmao

i did fng2 in notepad++

20:20

ez

ez

how do I hide a stuck tooltip on X, short of killing the offending process?

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

72bc3c9 Update Tutorial map by unique_2 - def- fba7211 Merge #5905 - bors[bot]

20:27

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #5905 Update Tutorial map by unique_2

@heinrich5991 try

20:28

xpropr

20:28

and click

20:28

xprop

20:28

https://www.x.org/releases/X11R7.5/doc/man/man1/xprop.1.html

that shows me the offending process

20:29

can I somehow get rid of the tooltip, without killing that process?

hmm idk

xkill -display :0.0 (edited)

20:32

no idea if that works xd

xkill kills the program corresponding to a window

20:32

I don't want to kill the process ^^

how is it even stuck

20:33

i mean if its single threaded how do u want to kill it, without killing the process?

I just want to hide the window

u playing a game and it shows some popups or what?

it's a tooltip, and it doesn't go away. in this particular case, it's a crashed program open in my debugger

20:34

that tooltip obscures part of my screen

20:34

I don't want to kill the process because I want to debug it

20:34

the tooltip is a little annoying though

move the debugger?

yes, that works around the problem

:D

20:36

https://fyrox.rs/blog/post/feature-highlights-0-28/

Fyrox 0.28 Feature Highlights | Fyrox engine

Official webpage for Fyrox game engine.

20:36

@Jupstar ✪ pog

Ryozuki

https://fyrox.rs/blog/post/feature-highlights-0-28/

nice

Ryozuki

https://fyrox.rs/blog/post/feature-highlights-0-28/

its funny how all these AAA game engines suddenly popup xd o3de godot 500 rust game engines xd

xd

20:41

rust only has bevy and fyrox

20:41

that stand out

I tried to install UE5 then I tried o3de xD. none of them worked so I went back to godot

i think o3de only works with vulkan

never heard of o3de

20:43

nice

its sponsored by linux foundation

20:44

and its from amazon xD

3A games big bloat 100GB+

everyone was mad that godot wasnt sponsored instead xD

Mr.Gh0s7

3A games big bloat 100GB+

depends which xd

lmao

20:44

they should have sponsored godot

baldurs gate early access is worth the 100 GByte for only arc1 xDD

but maybe they thought godot already got sponsors

i dunno the reasoning, but still funny

btw ill visit frankfurt when going to tokyo

20:46

kinda funny xd

nice, i'd like to visit it too some day

20:46

frankfurt

20:46

^^

20:46

not japan

xd

Chairn

One last thought for the online people who helped me relax after a hard day of work. Special thanks to \textbf{deen} who maintained \href{https://ddnet.org}{DDNet} tirelessly for almost 10 years now. Thanks to the \emph{old} guys team for the games on fridays or saturdays evening: \textbf{|Ŗaþŧurę|} (you will survive), \textbf{Sir Skeleton} (where are you?), \textbf{Sir Kruksic} (who are you?), \textbf{Kasia} (Weedo is alive), \textbf{MyStery.Fox}. Hello to the dev team: \textbf{Learath2}, \textbf{heinrich5991}, \textbf{Jupstar ✪}, \textbf{Ryozuki}, \textbf{Robyt3} and the newcomer \textbf{Voxel}.

star doesn't compile

Aw, thanks

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how does it work?

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21:27

1 Miles = 1.60934 kilometers which is approximately same to the Golden Ratio. That's the reason Fibonacci Series is used as the conversion scale of Miles to Kilometers.

21:27

today you learnt :D

21:28

and i did too, found on twitter xd

ah

gerdoe

or teesharp

Teesharp will support only server afaik

22:45

Didnt see a single draft of client

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