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Between 2022-10-05 00:00:00Z and 2022-10-06 00:00:00Z
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yknow why cant we just, limit the amount of traffic on a server
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none of the servers surpass a million in terms of packaging stuff except the ones being ddosed, and even then it spikes to like 100 million (edited)
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thats what a ddos protection does
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If you would simply limit it the attack traffic would steal place for legitimate traffic
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oh thats fair
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i can only assume now that distinguishing an attack from actual input with ddos protection would be costly
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I'm currently talking to a good hoster, we'll see
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fokkonaut
I'm currently talking to a good hoster, we'll see
PauseChamp
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Then also your issue would be fixed @Stepfunn
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fokkonaut
Then also your issue would be fixed @Stepfunn
PogU
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9e5d830 Revert ingame menu close button - def- 361622e Add help text at bottom left when menu is open - def- 97965ee Also check if translations are out of date (not enabled yet) - def- d1463c6 Merge #5906 - bors[bot]
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Anyone want to join LTT livestream tomorrow and tell them to benchmark DDNet on Intel GPU? πŸ˜„ https://youtu.be/6T9d9LM1TwY?t=280
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french moment πŸ˜„
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how could the girl not realize she was writing gibberish?
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at least she meticulously transcribed the accents ^^
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xD imagine Linus saying what's a hammerfly?
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deen
Anyone want to join LTT livestream tomorrow and tell them to benchmark DDNet on Intel GPU? πŸ˜„ https://youtu.be/6T9d9LM1TwY?t=280
Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 15:42:50Z
uff didnt know its built on TSMC 6nm.. that makes these cards even worse than they already are
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I read that nm isnt everything
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Arent nvidia still 7nm
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 15:44:33Z
it isnt, but thats not they latest nm
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but 4090 release 3 days after these intel cards
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and is 5nm i think
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Yeah like amd
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 15:45:16Z
4nm even
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No its 5
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Also i read that saying 3-4-5nm is a bit fuzzy
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And more a marketing strat
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On wikipedia
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 15:45:57Z
yes
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but if both is from TSMC
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then the one will be at least a bit better than the other
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Ryozuki
No its 5
Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 15:46:47Z
i only find 4nm sources
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The term "5 nanometer" has no relation to any actual physical feature (such as gate length, metal pitch or gate pitch) of the transistors. According to the projections contained in the 2021 update of the International Roadmap for Devices and Systems published by IEEE Standards Association Industry Connection, a 5 nm node is expected to have a contacted gate pitch of 51 nanometers and a tightest metal pitch of 30 nanometers.[3] However, in real world commercial practice, "5 nm" is used primarily as a marketing term by individual microchip manufacturers to refer to a new, improved generation of silicon semiconductor chips in terms of increased transistor density (i.e. a higher degree of miniaturization), increased speed and reduced power consumption compared to the previous 7 nm process.[4][5]
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In semiconductor manufacturing, the International Roadmap for Devices and Systems defines the 5 nm process as the MOSFET technology node following the 7 nm node. In 2020, Samsung and TSMC entered volume production of 5 nm chips, manufactured for companies including Apple, Marvell, Huawei and Qualcomm.The term "5 nanometer" has no relation to any...
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 15:48:03Z
but in the end "increased speed and reduced power consumption compared to the previous 7 nm process."
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I guess it sort of relates to the expected performance of an hypothetical 5nm node
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 15:50:30Z
but other than that, that also makes it less attractive IMHO intel is clearly worse than nvidia and amd if they dont even use their own fabs to produce them, then its not like u support compotition as much as if they would
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would have been more interesting if intel does it like with CPUs πŸ˜„
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Making another tmsc is such a complex thing
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Its one of the most advanced techs
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U also need a place without much trembling, earthquakes etc
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 15:51:28Z
yes, but competition in that field is also important
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Cuz it needs to be super stable
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The foundry
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Yeah
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Ryozuki
Cuz it needs to be super stable
Well there are workarounds to many issues. Where there is will there usually is a way. It's just that the investment required might just be too high for the other countries to ever catch up now
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China is making huge moves to deprecate tsmc asap and even they are atleast 3 generations behind
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Russia is like 6 generations behind
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Japan is close tho iirc
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Samsung is japanese right
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They got their foundry
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Iirc
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Learath2
China is making huge moves to deprecate tsmc asap and even they are atleast 3 generations behind
because they have no choice, U.S. is blocking many high end exports to China now and TSMC won't be allowed to deliver much to Chinese companies
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Ryozuki
Samsung is japanese right
Korea
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Samsung is so huge that it's 20% of South Korean GDP
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Japan and eu are probably closer to 65nm. That's sooo far behind korea and taiwan
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But theybwill build a foundry on usa
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17bln iirc
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And idk why, on texas
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With their electricity grid that fails often
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Xd
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deen
Samsung is so huge that it's 20% of South Korean GDP
Yeah, samsung actually does a lot more than people realize. They own hospitals, massive ships, chip fabs, consumer electronic fabs, they own apartments, graveyards
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And ssds
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Samsung and a handful other companies are like the entirety of korea
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Mobiles, tv, fridges
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And my toaster was samsung btw
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BASED
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Ryozuki
But theybwill build a foundry on usa
Well, it'll still be owned by samsung. I think that's not the US moving forward in technology but just a safeguard just in case big bad china invades taiwan
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It has funding from murica
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But I don't think they agreed on any IP exchange. It's just a US funded samsung fab in the US
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When open source 5nm?
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It's actually quite interesting that these handful of companies get to hide some of the biggest achievements of human kind under lock and key
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Yeah sad
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Just a dozen or so years ago if china decided they didn't want taiwan to exist anymore we'd be plunged back 5 generations of tech almost
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Like wtf is 65nm
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I guess intel has the secret sauce to 20nm, so we'd still have that
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China has been actively recruiting TSMC engineers to build up SMIC, paying them double their old salary. So that's an easy way to get expertise. Happens in most fields like that.
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A leading tsmc engineer may get paid millions a year literally lol
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deen
China has been actively recruiting TSMC engineers to build up SMIC, paying them double their old salary. So that's an easy way to get expertise. Happens in most fields like that.
But there is no incentive in eu or us to do the same. They pay the money to tsmc and samsung so they build fabs in their regions instead
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There has recently been more incentive for national security, especially now with the oil and gas dependency from Russia and how that turned out
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But yeah, barely any semiconductor foundries left, and most don't want to compete for low nm because it's high risk and cost
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Hopefully domestic companies like stmicro will start innovating again
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Learath2
Just a dozen or so years ago if china decided they didn't want taiwan to exist anymore we'd be plunged back 5 generations of tech almost
I think whatever secrets ASML keeps are more valuable
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evidently the US government agrees because they're banned from selling stuff to china
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deen
But yeah, barely any semiconductor foundries left, and most don't want to compete for low nm because it's high risk and cost
I honestly don't think there are any entities rich enough that could risk it. Maybe government initiatives could, but you need to promise something in return to the public if you want to spend tax euros
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I think whatever secrets ASML keeps are more valuable
As far as I'm aware ASML makes all the EUV lithography machines. Including for china's SMIC
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Though they can't buy them anymore, before the restrictions I think they got all their machines from ASML
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well yeah ASML is the only maker of EUV
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without ASML china has almost no hope of getting more EUV anytime soon
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One thing china does have is very deep pockets and some EUV lithography machines they can reverse engineer. I can see them making some progress
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Idk I would be skeptical of that, it took a hundred research papers on exploding tin droplets and there is only 1 supplier in the world who can make the mirrors that are precise enough.
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I think the ASML ceo said something about it lemme see if I can find it
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β€œI think it unlikely that China would be able to replicate top lithography technology independently because ASML relies on relentless innovation and integrating components that are only available from non-Chinese suppliers. I am not saying it cannot be done|because I know the laws of physics are the same in China as they are here. Never say never. They will certainly try."
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My DDNet just randomly crashed while playing πŸ‘
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got a coredump?
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No, how
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I am on release
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 16:49:26Z
windows?
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ah, I was assuming linux
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 16:50:22Z
then look in dumps in config dir
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Aye, it crashed again while it's in background as I was looking into the dir
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I dont have any logs
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 16:52:32Z
mhh, the only reason i know which doesnt generate dumps is out of memory/RAM
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r u using 32bit? xd
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no, I have auto-updated it ingame
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(this has never happened before)
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And you didnt get a dump in the dumps directory? That's bizarre
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 16:56:43Z
what u mean by auto update?
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updater?
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or do u just mean u dont have 32bit bcs of it
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πŸ˜„
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have u tried to restart windows, that fixes lot of problems
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It crashed again, wtf
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Jupstar βœͺ
what u mean by auto update?
ingame update
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fokkonaut
It crashed again, wtf
Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 17:23:16Z
what server?
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whats the ways to reproduce
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nightly or normal release?
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16.4, any server (happened on my & kog), no ways to reproduce.
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as i said, one time it happened while standing, other time while in background, and next time while actively playing
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 17:24:53Z
did windows update, did u update drivers?
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If you are a 100% sure there is no dump, try running it in a debugger
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Jupstar βœͺ
did windows update, did u update drivers?
i did nothing and changed nothing
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 17:25:21Z
mhh weird that %appdata%/teeworlds/dumps is empty then πŸ˜„
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Learath2
If you are a 100% sure there is no dump, try running it in a debugger
Debug programs behave differently, especially when self compiled vs. cross compiled
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last dump is from yesterday<
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 17:25:56Z
i'd have expected more crash reports from other ppl than u tho (edited)
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Time to try and reproduce for 2 rounds in fng in linux gigachad (meaning I will play 2 fng rounds while pretending to work) (edited)
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Ok don't run it in a debugger? Idk what sort of answer you expect here, I can only give ideas πŸ˜„
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I was just reporting it?
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I dont have the time right now to debug this
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 17:27:48Z
i just wonder why it happened so randomly now
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i mean there wasnt a release in the last days
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and no dumps generated is also weird, why would that part stop working for no reason at all?
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Well, I unplugged my graphics card today, but put it back in as usual. Also thats not the first time I did that, and never had issues like this so...
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I don't think anyone touched any signals
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fokkonaut
Well, I unplugged my graphics card today, but put it back in as usual. Also thats not the first time I did that, and never had issues like this so...
Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 17:29:43Z
well that defs sounds like a possible reason xD
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if it gets hot and somehow looses contact or smth
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directly rip
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a friend had this too with a gtx 760 unplugged, cleaned all shit randomly no more crashes
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But why does everything else work fine then xD
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 17:31:26Z
i can just say how it is, for him it also was teeworlds crashing
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and since i also had a gtx 760 at home and couldnt reproduce
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this solved it, after i tried everything else
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im not joking πŸ˜„
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100% tru story
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Why would it happen after I plugged it back in? You think it could be some kind of dust or smth?
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I dont htink so, it should be clean
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I did restart my PC, will see how it performs now
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 17:32:44Z
well i dunno the exact reason, but maybe power cable not plugged in correctly
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smth like that
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I always double check that, also if it fits correctly inside
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the card itself*
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do you maybe have %appdata%/ddnet?
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Dumps would also be silently not generated if you are missing exchndl.dll for whatever reason or if the dll is outdated
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outdated = a version without Jupeyy's changes
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btw those changes (https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-libs/pull/26, https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/4759) should no longer be necessary, as the module offset is also printed on upstream drmingw
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 17:58:33Z
nikce
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yeah he was inactive for over a year, suddenly he was back xD
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Yeah, he is very active right now. I'm just waiting for a release so we can use that and also resolve https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/5877
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should i install gentoo
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i think it can be fun
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you could try nix
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Ryozuki
should i install gentoo
Do you have some time at hand?
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that also sounds fun ^^
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i have my arch linux in a state i can wipe it all and dont care rn
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i have time yeah
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Ryozuki
i have my arch linux in a state i can wipe it all and dont care rn
what did you do?
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just need at some point to have grub working to boot into windows
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cuz work stuff
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heinrich5991
what did you do?
backups xd
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xd
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Then it is fun configuring your own kernel and setting up use flags and stuff
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i need that 1% perf improvement using native march (edited)
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jupstar says so
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BASED
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also my arch linux is bloated with lot of packages i dont use
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 18:01:27Z
yes
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cuz i never installed stuff with -needed
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idk what i can remove
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 18:01:36Z
march lto ofast
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You also get to remove use flags of features you dont use in software, you can get another 1% there
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Also you can get your kernel very very very lean
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yeah
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Or you can try a bsd if you dont want to game ever on linux
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Bsds are fun too
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dota 2 works on linux natively
no 1
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and proton is getting rly good lately
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Proton is indeed very impressive. The only things I have to boot into windows for are extremely modern games and games with very intrusive anti cheat
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noby's anticheat > Vanguard
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It would be intersting to make anti-cheat system like noby's for 3D (edited)
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yeah lately i've been using too much windows due to ff14 but i think it can run well on linux
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so i gotta correct myself here
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ill install gentoo
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embrace supremacy
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nix!
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idk about nix
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me neither
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are you using it?
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hence I want you to try it out πŸ˜„
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does nix make you compile it urself
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im interested in compiling all myself
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maybe I shouldn't have said that out loud
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you can compile everything yourself in nix
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it probably doesn't have as nice customization as gentoo, not even sure how it looks like at all
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but the good thing it has is reproducibility
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so you can theoretically download binary artifacts for stuff where you didn't change anything. but I guess that's not too much of an upside
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downsides are e.g. that it needs to fight a little to make everything conform to its world view
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but you'll be able to downgrade your system to the working state it had before your upgrade ^^
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how hard is it to make like ur own packages
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like aur
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ok maybe ill try nixos
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i have only time to loss anyway xd
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apparently people do this "arch -> gentoo -> nixos"
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I think NixOS is the logical conclusion of the Ports-like package management system pioneered by the BSDs and adopted by Gentoo and to a lesser extent Arch.
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I think it's possible to make your own packages, but I don't know how hard
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in the local hackerspace, I met someone trying to build firefox against musl using nix πŸ˜„
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apparently nix uses some kind of haskell-ish functional language? xd
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Gentoo has a lot of ease of use tools helping you compile things yourself. Local repos, epatches, use flags
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yes, "nix", I think πŸ˜„
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I should try nix sometime, see how it fares
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Learath2
I should try nix sometime, see how it fares
note that nix is the package manager
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nixos the os
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I've come to appreciate how much of your experience of a distro comes down to the its package manager. Homebrew has really given me ptsd
frozen 1
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Mr.Gh0s7
Time to try and reproduce for 2 rounds in fng in linux gigachad (meaning I will play 2 fng rounds while pretending to work) (edited)
I tried for 1h and didn't get any results
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Everything seems decent to me after homebrew
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also this time i wont bother using luks
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ill let the cia see my hentai
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i wish dd showed progress
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killall -USR1 dd (edited)
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makes it show progress
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alternatively, use progress
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(both work with an already running dd)
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this is gonna take a while xd
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wait
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im not sure if i should try plasma or not
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well ill try
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 18:33:38Z
self compiling takes so long, thats kinda annoying. Else i'd maybe do it. e.g. i want a debian optimized for ryzen all packages that are well coded, ofast lto. 10% perf = 1 CPU generation skip πŸ˜„
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there should be distros targeting e.g skylake or smth atleast
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 18:34:14Z
intel clear linux
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ez
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always wins in phoronix benchmarks
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i wish usb-4 was widespread or smth
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transfering data through usbs is such a chore
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-Ofast makes correct programs incorrect
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 18:35:53Z
no
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it just bends the reality a bit
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 18:36:40Z
if u code well enough and arent doing like math programs that require extrem precision u can write anything that runs on ofast
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if your kernel is compiled using ofast
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and its wrong
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and u code a rly correct math program without it
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 18:37:20Z
is the kernel even using floats?
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will it break?
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kernels dont use floats iirc
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 18:37:31Z
but it will probs break bcs it relies on UB
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Ryozuki
i wish usb-4 was widespread or smth
I believe usb3 speeds should be enough ^^ your disk seems to be really slow
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but linus doesnt even recommend o3
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 18:37:38Z
which might get optimized πŸ˜„
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heinrich5991
I believe usb3 speeds should be enough ^^ your disk seems to be really slow
i connected the usb to a hub, it shows blue
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the linux kernel doesn't use any floating point registers
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but i dont remember if the hub is connected to a usb3 xd
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the problem is not that it's not usb4
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 18:38:13Z
thats the biggset "downside" of ofast rest is just interpreting UB differently
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usb3 would have a faster speed
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 18:40:32Z
"-ffast-math Sets the options -fno-math-errno, -funsafe-math-optimizations, -ffinite-math-only, -fno-rounding-math, -fno-signaling-nans, -fcx-limited-range and -fexcess-precision=fast. This option causes the preprocessor macro FAST_MATH to be defined. This option is not turned on by any -O option besides -Ofast since it can result in incorrect output for programs that depend on an exact implementation of IEEE or ISO rules/specifications for math functions. It may, however, yield faster code for programs that do not require the guarantees of these specifications." so if u want max perf, and dont need this kind of precision, its a nice optimization
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even for games
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@heinrich5991 ok it must be the usb drive that its bad
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i have a red usb port
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it should be rly fast
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but its the same
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it's not only precision
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 18:44:11Z
garantuees
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anyway
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i use ddnet with ofast lto for example and also some other stuff
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it's also communication of errors, and assuming you never do stuff like 1.0/0.0, 0.0/0.0 etc
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which ddnet does
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 18:44:42Z
yes imho thats bad code anyway
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we dont generate NaNs anymore
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ah, cool
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didn't know πŸ™‚
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 18:45:13Z
well all we found
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tbf
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is the shotgun bug not division by 0?
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 18:45:34Z
shotgun bug is an exception yes
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but doesnt matter client side
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and we couldℒ️ control it
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since we know the reason
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but maybe codedev even fixed that
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cant remember rn
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@Learath2 u wont like nixos
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it uses systemd
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xd
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can't use anything else?
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cant use else
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systemd is an integral part of NixOS, because it makes extensive use of its features, such as cgroups, sandboxing, user units, and systemd timers instead of cron.
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 18:48:33Z
nix = nixdorf?
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Installers and source files for GNU Guix. GNU Guix can be installed on different GNU/Linux distributions.
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what do you think about gnu guix?
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> Guix is a fork of Nix and addresses the main issue that Nix didn't get right: instead of comming up with a homebrewed domain-specific language (DSL) with its own set of limitations and idiosyncrasies, Guix uses a full-fledged programming language.
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can you use it with actual hardware?
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looks like its aa improvement over it
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ill try guix
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just reading the first line
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Liberating. Guix is an advanced distribution of the GNU operating system developed by the GNU Projectβ€”which respects the freedom of computer users.
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all pray stallman
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(I've never heard of someone using guix)
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 18:50:13Z
that is not a contra but pro argument for ryo xD
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heinrich5991
(I've never heard of someone using guix)
i've seen it on hn
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KDE is missing πŸ˜„
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do you need wifi on your device? πŸ˜›
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god distros should provide torrents instead of http downloads
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torrent is the best thing ever invented
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make use of it
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all that I tried do
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arch, debian, ubuntu
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maybe even fedora
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 18:51:51Z
@Ryozuki "Configurable Linux distributions / package sets like NixOS / nixpkgs make it possible to link a large fraction of their packages statically (for example, its pkgsStatic package set can provide all kinds of statically linked executables)."
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use that
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with LTO
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im gonna use guix
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 18:52:15Z
in total it might consume more disk space tho
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thats not a problem
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 18:53:02Z
i'd love to see as much static linking as possible in one distro and see how it performs
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 18:53:28Z
it defs has disadvantages. os cannot cahce the .so obviously and other stuff but the bianry in itself should be really optimized
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its gnu take on a init system
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 18:53:35Z
can throw out all shit ^^ (edited)
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The GNU Daemon Shepherd or GNU Shepherd, formerly known as GNU dmd, is a service manager that looks after the herd of system services. It provides a replacement for the service-managing capabilities of SysV-init (or any other init) with a both powerful and beautiful dependency-based system with a convenient interface. It is intended for use on GNU/Hurd, but it is supposed to work on every POSIX-like system where Guile is available. In particular, it is used as PID 1 by GNU Guix.
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Jupstar βœͺ
can throw out all shit ^^ (edited)
xd
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oh
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i wonder if i can use steam in gnu guix
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xd
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18:57
this exists
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with steam in it
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 18:58:11Z
i hope heroic games launcher will add steam some day
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 18:58:36Z
it starts in 2 seconds vs 10-20 seconds epic slow launcher
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10-20s steam slow launcher?
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 18:59:23Z
epic games launcher
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but steam is also relatively slow
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ill try nixos cuz steam works bad on guix i think
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hello from nixos
20:05
i see why this is all reproducible now
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 20:05:10Z
that was quick
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its a weird way to install packages but i guess the value of reproducing ur whole linux in a new system is smth rly good
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oh wow, that was quick
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well i got a nvme m2 drive
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 20:06:44Z
didnt u need to compile?
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apparently not
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 20:06:53Z
oh
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but im now recompiling everything
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 20:06:57Z
well then it was slow xd
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using znver3
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xd
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well cuz i was learning how to install stuff xd
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its not as simple as a command
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Collection of image builders [maintainer=@Lassulus] - GitHub - nix-community/nixos-generators: Collection of image builders [maintainer=@Lassulus]
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lol
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-10-05 20:09:09Z
did u replace your arch for it btw?
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and i totally did not overwrite my efi removing the windows efi from there and totally didnt redownload the windows iso again to fix it
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god i hate myself xd
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Lol rip
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its all fixed now though
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lucky this happened before so i knew what to do more or less
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im an experienced system destroyer
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This is one of the reasons I never use installers for any OS nowadays
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well it wasnt the installer fault
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I use dism for windows and I install linux distros by hand (e.g. debootstrap in debian-likes)
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i knew the efi partition was there
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but my mind decided to remove it somehow xd
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Ryozuki
apparently people do this "arch -> gentoo -> nixos"
It is an absolute crime to call it that when you are locked down to systemd
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idk if ill stay with nixos though
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its nice to reproduce
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but its rly pain
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like for example, i think u gotta configure neovim extensiosn from the nix thingy
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and vscode extensions
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idk
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My brother uses Artix which is like Arch but providing init systems different than systemd. It feels like Arch though the absence of systemd feels very nice :D. You may want to keep that in mind if you want to try something systemd-free.
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I saw a line of C that looked like this: !ErrorHasOccured() ??!??! HandleError(); It compiled correctly and seems to run ok. It seems like it's checking if an error has occurred, and if it has, it
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we need to use trigraphs, to be inclusive of people with ancient keyboards
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BASED
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??!??!SPOILERS??!??! (edited)
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