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@fokkonaut which server providers are the best to use?

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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request reopened: #5887 Don't show home button ingame

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Erik van Velzen

@fokkonaut which server providers are the best to use?

Teeworlds/DDNet servers usually dont take a lot of ressources, you could basically use any

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bors[bot]

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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #5887 Don't show home button ingame

zigtfm

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5895 Update russian.txt

Added missing translations

Xd

fokkonaut

Teeworlds/DDNet servers usually dont take a lot of ressources, you could basically use any

And a team deathmatch of eight players at the same time with a large map

fokkonaut

Click to see attachment 🖼️

probably remove the extern "C" there

bors[bot]

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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #5895 Update russian.txt

Ahh i hate pdf

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Its all so hacky

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to add a signature you need to add an object

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that object has the pkcs7 data

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and a bytes range with offsets

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the bytes range are the data to digest

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and it has to include the bytes range itself

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i

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i hate adobe

Ryozuki

Ahh i hate pdf

already implementing rustTeX

?

No

i hate pdflatex stupid limitations

Its related to my job

14:03

Pdf itself is the stupidest format

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Thank adobe

i stumbled upon a really stupid limits yesterday, which is that pdflatex can't use more than 16 file handles

14:04

nice software from the 90's

Have u looked at xelatex

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Or luatex

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Idk there are more out there i think

yeah, im kinda out of time to switch to these

Xd

i think xelatex has some problem with tikz?

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but i tried it to test some fonts

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i need some quote idea for my epigraphs

Idk xd

chapter 1 is introduction, chapter 2 is state of the art, chapter 3 is hardware circuit design, chapter 4 is software platform design, chapter 5 is results and analysis

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i have some funny quotes form my favorite french serie, but i'd like to have both a serious and a funny quote at each chapter

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so i lack the serious one

ConTeXt exists too (edited)

never heard of it

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i'd like a drop in replacement where it just works™

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i feel like a lot of packages should be part of the default mode

my latex template includes 414 files with 373838 lines 1017743 words 17389484 bytes and takes 8 seconds g++ with a simple file includes 240 files with 111022 lines 402300 words 3607885 bytes and takes less than 1 sec... so definetely latex is slower, but not by that much

@Ryozuki use XPS, better format

14:40

Pdf is a result of 56 decades of bolting things onto the corpse of postscript

https://xkcd.com/927/

xkcd: Standards

I think we did get it right with usb this time around atleast. Usb-c seems to be what everything has settled on

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And the only reason character encodings isn't a settled issue is microsoft stubbornly holding onto utf16. I think almost everyone else and their mothers use utf8

i don't even know how character encodings work

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but soon there will be competing standards for electric car chargers

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chargers and charging station

Chairn

but soon there will be competing standards for electric car chargers

Well not soon, it's already here no? Tesla had one thing and the others were using 2 separate standards

well, EU commission will probably take a decision by 2035 or even 2040

I think the EU mandates every EV manufacturer to provide a CCS Adaptor nowadays tho, not quite sure, I atleast saw legislation proposed and Tesla starting to provide them

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Maybe it didn't pass but Tesla started including them so they didnt try again?

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Hm apparently there are still atleast 5 kinds of connectors in the wild

Robyt3

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5896 Fix spelling `seperate` -> `separate`

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-ad...

@Learath2 ppl use pdfs

Make ppl use xps instead

GitHub

Click to see attachment 🖼️

wtf i thought it was spelled seperate

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not separate (edited)

Today you learned

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Comes from the latin separare

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Well I guess the original latin was separatus, living in italy I got used to the wrong base forms of verbs

anyways now that i actually can, i'm going to analyze the run animation and finally try to tweak it

Voxel

anyways now that i actually can, i'm going to analyze the run animation and finally try to tweak it

Did you make a tool for it or are you trying the thing I suggested with a map with speeders and no friction?

Learath2

Did you make a tool for it or are you trying the thing I suggested with a map with speeders and no friction?

honestly i just recorded a demo of me running

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i wanted to edit alexander's teeassembler to impliment animation capabilities but that would take too long

@Learath2 cant fight adobe lobbyism

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Also today i found out you can get some ISO docs that otherwise wouls cost 200€j+ from archive.org

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Fck the system

Voxel

honestly i just recorded a demo of me running

Did you see my tip about adding config options everywhere so you dont have to recompile to test new values?

Learath2

Did you see my tip about adding config options everywhere so you dont have to recompile to test new values?

oh i dont think i did-

Ryozuki

@Learath2 cant fight adobe lobbyism

You need to believe in yourself. Make it happen

I would rather spend my time promoting rust over c/c++ BASED

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XPS has microsoft behind it. I wonder how they never managed to get it popular

Cuz corps use pdfs

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Microsoft themselves too

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Being an established thing holds lot of power

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Hard to change the norm

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Also million contracts etc are in pdf

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Ppl would need yo convert lot of stuff

Microsoft is the big dog. They should add a transparent layer to the ntkernel that immediately converts every downloaded pdf instantly to xps

Also pdf format itself is incredibly wasteful

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xd

Any NTOpen call to a pdf file results in it being replaced by an xps file

If u gonna allow binary stuff inside make the while format binary, not half and half

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Whole*

Ryozuki

If u gonna allow binary stuff inside make the while format binary, not half and half

The xps approach is that the bundle is a fancy zip file and the binary stuff gets referred to with a relative path

Yeah a zip like file makes sense

Ryozuki

Also pdf format itself is incredibly wasteful

Ofc it is, as I said it's almost 3 decades of bolting on stuff to postscript

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I'm honestly surprised they even managed to write a coherent standard for it

Also its funny at work mac ppl send u zipped folders and they have those stupid hidden files

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xd

Oh yes the stupid DS_Store

Apple should stick to hardware kek

Funnily enough their kernels are actually quite an interesting take, I like the XNU architecture

Is it a microkernel or smth?

They are the weirdest company ever a perfect marriage of good and shit engineering

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It's hybrid, but the more interesting part is the facilities it has. Stuff like mach messages are pretty nice

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Mach ports are also cute. The builtin IPC facilities are quite nice to work with

oh i see

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I hear lot of ppl hate ipc of any kind

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They prefer ffi

Outside of the kernel launchd is probably the only take on a process monitoring init I like. They got just the right amount of monolith in there to monitor processes efficiently

Ryozuki

They prefer ffi

Well ffi isn't exactly a proper replacement to IPC, is it? You want to talk to a service running in a another process, how will ffi help?

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Can't really call/write into another processes memory

@ryozuki fake noby

bors[bot]

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bors[bot]

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #5896 Fix spelling `seperate` -> `separate`

ye idk

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but i heard

Guys what to do if the servers do not work

Ryozuki

Also today i found out you can get some ISO docs that otherwise wouls cost 200€j+ from archive.org

who the hell pays for that except company?

companies

Guys what to do if the servers do not work

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ryozuki

I would rather spend my time promoting rust over c/c++ BASED

How would you go about convincing me? I want to give rust another shot, before coding in C

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(For godot)

Extensive standard library, don't have to worry about memory management

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Cons: wonky syntax, annoying compiler

loving compiler*

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c++ syntax aint better

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complex type systems make stuff complex

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but provide type safety xd

Oh and concurrency resources basically direct you to async/await due to all libraries relying on that, but IMHO the async/await stuff can use a bit more love

not everything

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rayon is amazing

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https://docs.rs/rayon/1.5.3/rayon/

rayon - Rust

Data-parallelism library that makes it easy to convert sequential computations into parallel

Though I guess some third party crates do ease the pain, async_trait is basically mandatory if you want to write generic code

oh yeah you need async_trait

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futures_util is nice too iirc

Yes futures in general is also imo mandatory

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Streams are very very useful

https://docs.rs/futures-util/0.3.24/futures_util/

futures_util - Rust

Combinators and utilities for working with Futures, Streams, Sinks, and the AsyncRead and AsyncWrite traits.

Anyway, most definitely worth giving another try. Is good language

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Ryozuki

c++ syntax aint better

C syntax is ❤️

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C++ is sadge

cuz c doesnt have generics

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and rust adds another layer, lifetimes

We have the c preprocessor and c20 generics

@Learath2 have you ever tried D

Ryozuki

@Learath2 have you ever tried D

It is actually quite a cute language. I did write a couple toys in it

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Another language I enjoyed alot was zig. Tho it's just bound to die since no mozilla or google daddy to bankroll it

@Learath2 isnt it a pain to pass the allocator everywhere

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i hear u gotta do that

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never rly looked into it tho

A little, there was a plan to make it better but implementing anything takes time with max 2-3 people working on a language

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You can also have an allocator in a global variable which mimics what other languages do in a way. But it was discouraged for some reason I don't remember

anyone wanna gift this to this poor ddnet dev https://www.amazon.es/AMD-7950X-Procesador-desenfrenados-Arquitectura/dp/B0BBHD5D8Y

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AMD Ryzen 9 7950X, without cooler Box

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thanks bye

why is it so expensive

cl_show_console deprecated?

Ryozuki

anyone wanna gift this to this poor ddnet dev https://www.amazon.es/AMD-7950X-Procesador-desenfrenados-Arquitectura/dp/B0BBHD5D8Y

I'm actually planning on getting this thing

Matodor

cl_show_console deprecated?

what do u mean? if its gone, then yes else no xd

Ryozuki

anyone wanna gift this to this poor ddnet dev https://www.amazon.es/AMD-7950X-Procesador-desenfrenados-Arquitectura/dp/B0BBHD5D8Y

why didnt they put the 3d cache into it, they are too rich now, they get the new intel XDD

Jupstar ✪

what do u mean? if its gone, then yes else no xd

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how enable console now?

dont even know why its gone

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probs bcs all is printed into f1

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https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5155

Remove cl_show_console and -c / --console command line options, att...

Alternative to #5154. Closes #5150. If you want to open the client with a console window, instead create a new shortcut with the following target: cmd /c "C:\path\to\your\DDNet.exe" You ...