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Between 2022-09-28 00:00:00Z and 2022-09-29 00:00:00Z
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Tater 2022-09-28 00:44:52Z
kog is using new ddnet version maybe with sv_no_weak_hook_and_bounce which might be why it's broken
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Voxel 2022-09-28 00:47:29Z
"listen, we made a new update to kog, but at the cost of you now having to be covered in glue... happy gores gameplay!"
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APFFF 2022-09-28 00:55:34Z
wait, kog removed weak/strong?
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Tater 2022-09-28 00:56:33Z
kog has always removed weak/strong but they might be using a different method now
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ReiTW 2022-09-28 05:44:02Z
@murpi
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murpi 2022-09-28 05:44:39Z
si
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Tater
kog is using new ddnet version maybe with sv_no_weak_hook_and_bounce which might be why it's broken
Jupstar ✪ 2022-09-28 07:05:43Z
Does it cause collision bugs? Would be bit surprising since it only changes velocity
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Tater 2022-09-28 07:06:23Z
idk did you see the videos?
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-09-28 07:16:10Z
Yes
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Jupstar ✪
Does it cause collision bugs? Would be bit surprising since it only changes velocity
Avolicious 2022-09-28 09:17:20Z
No, the initial sv_weak_hook_and_bounce did not break the collision as of now. But we applied https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5771 as updated replacement compared to https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/commit/2b084645276baa37b7a31aafa3fab0e3a323201b
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Avolicious
No, the initial sv_weak_hook_and_bounce did not break the collision as of now. But we applied https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5771 as updated replacement compared to https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/commit/2b084645276baa37b7a31aafa3fab0e3a323201b
fokkonaut 2022-09-28 10:46:48Z
I already posted that bug in the PR, why did you take it anyways?
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Ryozuki 2022-09-28 12:27:09Z
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@Learath2
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Learath2 2022-09-28 12:28:11Z
Me
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TsFreddie 2022-09-28 12:35:25Z
someone enlighten me
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msry 2022-09-28 12:35:33Z
Guys
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TsFreddie 2022-09-28 12:35:42Z
can I just read Rust as C code that looks weird
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msry 2022-09-28 12:35:42Z
My game still not working
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GitHub BOT 2022-09-28 12:39:44Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #5893 Invisible hook when opening chat on older ddnet server
When holding the hook on the ceiling, locking it with f1 and then opening chat the hook goes invisible and you get prediction errors (shaky screen). I tested this on newer DDNet servers as well where everything works properly and this might be an issue with the Unique servers specifically. I can't pinpoint the versions, since it's not my server and you can't get the server version with /credits. ![screenshot_2022-09-28_14-38-30](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/821401/192780630-...
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TsFreddie 2022-09-28 12:44:47Z
now that I'm almost unemployed and kinda free, I can probably start learning rust as my language of choice for godot.
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Ryozuki 2022-09-28 12:45:15Z
Good
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TsFreddie 2022-09-28 12:45:38Z
👀 so. can I just read it as weird c code
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TsFreddie
👀 so. can I just read it as weird c code
ReiTW 2022-09-28 12:46:15Z
Doubt
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TsFreddie 2022-09-28 12:47:14Z
rust's documentation feels hard to just read code snippets without reading the actual text in between kek
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ReiTW 2022-09-28 12:49:32Z
Tbh depends which doc and how much time u spent on this language
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Sometimes it's ez, sometimes it feels like you're looking at some egyptian shit that u have to decrypt (edited)
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TsFreddie 2022-09-28 12:50:42Z
"The Rust Programming Language" (i guess it's more of a "book"
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Ryozuki 2022-09-28 13:03:29Z
Dont come at rust with c mentality
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Treat it as a different lang
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It is a book
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Check the url
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Btw if you didnt know, https://lib.rs is a opinionated crates.io alternative
Lib.rs — home for Rust crates
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@ReiTW
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Imho it has better discoverability
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Learath2 2022-09-28 13:17:07Z
Opinionated is a scary word
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TsFreddie 2022-09-28 13:56:36Z
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kinda want to give up already
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Ryozuki
Btw if you didnt know, https://lib.rs is a opinionated crates.io alternative
TsFreddie 2022-09-28 13:58:35Z
what's wrong with crates tho
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Learath2
Opinionated is a scary word
Ryozuki 2022-09-28 14:01:54Z
Mostly anti cryptobros from what i see
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But it uses no js
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Unlike crates
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It categorizes stuff better
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And uses its own ranking system
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Its cool
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TsFreddie 2022-09-28 14:02:43Z
edgy might be a better word
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Ryozuki 2022-09-28 14:02:54Z
Also its only to discover crates, you always dowbload from crates
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Not rly, it is genuinely better
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And shows more info
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Lot of ppl prefer it
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TsFreddie 2022-09-28 14:03:33Z
will check it out if i didn't give up
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anyone doing ludum dare this weekend?
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Ryozuki 2022-09-28 14:04:03Z
No
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Mr.Gh0s7 2022-09-28 14:05:47Z
I don't like game jams tbh I like developing things at my own pace and in my own theme.
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TsFreddie 2022-09-28 14:06:49Z
it's more of an activity when people are tired of making stuffs i think
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Mr.Gh0s7 2022-09-28 14:07:27Z
Game jams are nice it's that they're not my style (if I was missunderstood) :D
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Ryozuki 2022-09-28 14:11:04Z
I dont like making art
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Well i like making art in the form of code
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BASED
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fokkonaut
I already posted that bug in the PR, why did you take it anyways?
Avolicious 2022-09-28 15:05:03Z
Because it works 🙂
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Its not a game breaking bug
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fokkonaut 2022-09-28 15:05:41Z
Well, yes it is for hammerfly. And hammerfly is the only place where this patch is actually useful for xD
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For normal bounces the merged PR is enough
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Avolicious 2022-09-28 15:06:18Z
We dont have hammerfly's like in ddnet
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fokkonaut 2022-09-28 15:06:41Z
Of course, some people do that in some gores parts. If I was you I wouldnt take the responsibility for people failing like that
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Avolicious 2022-09-28 15:07:05Z
Its fine for now
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fokkonaut 2022-09-28 15:07:22Z
Anyways, if you dont have hammerflys like in ddnet, why do you need the bounce being fixed then? Because as I said, bounces like that are fixed from the other, merged PR
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Just bounces that ALSO include hooks at the same time might still differ
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(aka hammerfly)
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You really dont need that buggy, testing approach from that PR
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Avolicious 2022-09-28 15:07:57Z
other patches dont work as expected, and re-porting the old way of kog isnt working either, because even in the old version only hooks on ground were patched
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fokkonaut 2022-09-28 15:08:30Z
https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5642
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https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5770
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Apply these together
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Avolicious 2022-09-28 15:09:16Z
Done that before, hasnt worked as expected
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fokkonaut 2022-09-28 15:09:29Z
What didnt work @Avolicious ?
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Patiga 2022-09-28 15:09:37Z
@Avolicious but as my video showed, normal bumps are also sometimes broken, shouldn't that be fixed?
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fokkonaut 2022-09-28 15:10:16Z
@Avolicious Anyways, then I would suggest simply using this patch from 0.7, which I use on my server aswell. It's only for the hook strength, not for bouncing, but works reliably: https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/pull/2478
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fokkonaut
@Avolicious Anyways, then I would suggest simply using this patch from 0.7, which I use on my server aswell. It's only for the hook strength, not for bouncing, but works reliably: https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/pull/2478
Avolicious 2022-09-28 15:10:39Z
Gonna have a look, but seems reasonable
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fokkonaut 2022-09-28 15:10:41Z
(But would maybe be cool for DDNet/Jupeyy if you could report what isnt working as intended)
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Avolicious
Gonna have a look, but seems reasonable
fokkonaut 2022-09-28 15:11:31Z
You would need to revert the PR I sent tho, makes most sense, then apply the Teeworlds fix on top
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(revert this in KoG: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5642)
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deen 2022-09-28 15:12:13Z
But then they have strong/weak again, right?
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fokkonaut
@Avolicious Anyways, then I would suggest simply using this patch from 0.7, which I use on my server aswell. It's only for the hook strength, not for bouncing, but works reliably: https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/pull/2478
fokkonaut 2022-09-28 15:12:20Z
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deen
But then they have strong/weak again, right?
fokkonaut 2022-09-28 15:12:40Z
It seems like the way that DDNet has it right now isnt working correctly
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As mentioned by Avo
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Avolicious 2022-09-28 15:16:39Z
As suggested by deen, we tried https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5642#issuecomment-1195814884
Option to remove weak hook & bounce by Jupeyy · Pull Request #5642 ...
Fixes #5641 server side only Checklist Tested the change ingame Provided screenshots if it is a visual change Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options Written a unit t...
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If you want, I re-up a server with this PR
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And also one with the teeworlds PR fokko suggested
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Currently in office, so ETA is roughly around 10 or 11 PM CET
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Avolicious
If you want, I re-up a server with this PR
fokkonaut 2022-09-28 15:21:20Z
Is it that, what we saw on the server yesterday? With the super hook strength? xD
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fokkonaut
Is it that, what we saw on the server yesterday? With the super hook strength? xD
Avolicious 2022-09-28 15:21:45Z
Yeah I guess so
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fokkonaut 2022-09-28 15:22:14Z
Maybe you havent applied it correctly, I dont know which version your Gores mod is based on, and how you implemented things. But in generel I had tested this, and it seemed to work at least from what I could see. I didnt find any behaviour as on Gores server
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Avolicious 2022-09-28 15:22:29Z
There are two different conditions: a) a super hook b) no movement possible at all (edited)
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fokkonaut 2022-09-28 15:22:54Z
To me it looked like only hooking tees caused that
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fokkonaut
Maybe you havent applied it correctly, I dont know which version your Gores mod is based on, and how you implemented things. But in generel I had tested this, and it seemed to work at least from what I could see. I didnt find any behaviour as on Gores server
Avolicious 2022-09-28 15:23:42Z
Well, I could give it another try 🙂 Gonna name the servers related to their PR on github
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GitHub BOT 2022-09-28 16:08:47Z
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GitHub BOT 2022-09-28 17:08:11Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5894 Make cl_default_zoom a float
Uses new MACRO_CONFIG_FLOAT As suggested by Ar1gin !Screenshot 2022-09-28 at 19 05 09

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fokkonaut 2022-09-28 17:39:31Z
How do I check whether two lines are crossing?
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For example a door and a laser shot
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Where I have the door start/end pos and the laser start/end
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deen 2022-09-28 17:45:30Z
I don't think we have that in server right now, just some IntersectLine
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fokkonaut 2022-09-28 17:47:04Z
Yea thats what I thought, mh
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I wouldnt need to know where they meet, just if. I think I can do some simple maths here
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Learath2 2022-09-28 17:50:29Z
You need to figure out where they meet to know that they meet, you get that one for free I think
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-09-28 17:50:50Z
2 lines or 2 line segments 😄
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Learath2 2022-09-28 17:53:08Z
With lines there is a way, but doors and lasers are line segments
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deen
I don't think we have that in server right now, just some IntersectLine
plower 2022-09-28 17:53:17Z
When will the moderators be recruited?
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i wait 2 month
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Learath2 2022-09-28 17:53:28Z
How is that a reply to that lol 😄
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-09-28 17:53:32Z
line segments are easier in think, bcs u can abuse dot product
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plower
When will the moderators be recruited?
Learath2 2022-09-28 17:53:43Z
They will be recruited when we need more of them
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plower 2022-09-28 17:54:03Z
k
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Jupstar ✪
line segments are easier in think, bcs u can abuse dot product
Learath2 2022-09-28 17:54:06Z
Lines are trivial, if the slopes aren't the same they will always intersect 😄
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plower 2022-09-28 17:54:06Z
i wait
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Learath2
Lines are trivial, if the slopes aren't the same they will always intersect 😄
Jupstar ✪ 2022-09-28 17:54:17Z
true xd
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2d math is too ez solve it in 4d
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Learath2 2022-09-28 17:57:25Z
Hm, it generalizes pretty well above 3d
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Just need to check if they are on the same (hyper-)plane and are not parallel
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Or maybe even more general equivalently just put it all in a matrix 😛
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Learath2
Lines are trivial, if the slopes aren't the same they will always intersect 😄
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Uncle 2022-09-28 21:09:12Z
micro rant: i hate the new output in lcon and the fact that votes ping me when i am logged in
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what the hell is this 2022-09-28 23:54:27 I chat:
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where is me brackets
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and the highlighted votes, what the actual fuck, there isn't even an option to turn it off
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i just get spammed with random votes
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i get it, you want your mods to react to votes, because generally they are useless, lets put them into work huh
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but it is a clientside change, its not serverside, you made it so every admin/mod/whatever on any server who is using latest ddnets suffer these pings
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ipoopi 2022-09-28 21:20:31Z
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-09-28 21:29:15Z
He is saying that the f1 console logging looks less readable And if u logged into rcon u can pinged by a sound for every vote.. At first u actually thought it was a client bug too bcs it's kinda weird (edited)
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fokkonaut
I wouldnt need to know where they meet, just if. I think I can do some simple maths here
trml 2022-09-28 22:39:20Z
its possible without finding the intersection, yes. see for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line%E2%80%93line_intersection#Given_two_points_on_each_line_segment in the section where they calculate "t" and "u". the line segments intersect if both of those are between 0 and 1 (unless they are parallel, but in that case the divisor in both fractions will be 0, so only need to check for that and handle it separately)
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Learath2 2022-09-28 22:39:27Z
And he is saying it like that because most people on the internet have no capability of giving feedback without cursing
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trml
its possible without finding the intersection, yes. see for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line%E2%80%93line_intersection#Given_two_points_on_each_line_segment in the section where they calculate "t" and "u". the line segments intersect if both of those are between 0 and 1 (unless they are parallel, but in that case the divisor in both fractions will be 0, so only need to check for that and handle it separately)
fokkonaut 2022-09-28 22:40:14Z
I took this now, for 2 dimensional vectors
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The only "problem" with this is, that it doesnt find an intersection when the point is exactly on the other line, but that doesnt matter for my case
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Learath2 2022-09-28 22:40:53Z
I think that one has a bit of an issue with collinear lines
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fokkonaut 2022-09-28 22:41:33Z
yup
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I'm amazed by how fast you saw that, lol
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Learath2 2022-09-28 22:42:44Z
Nah, I'd seen this solution way back when I was also looking for a way to intersect line segments 😄
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fokkonaut 2022-09-28 22:43:08Z
Ohh 😄
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cheater
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Why can I not send this → character to a client, it appears as a question mark, while DDNet uses that for whispering for old clients
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https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/6104246ea601b9f6c4a7e395a56870cb5639187e/src/game/server/gamecontext.cpp#L4063
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deen 2022-09-28 22:47:17Z
Weird, we should support same characters in chat
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fokkonaut 2022-09-28 22:49:14Z
It works in DDNet
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At least from what I remember many years ago
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But I am trying this in my mod right now
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File encoding should be correct too
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Is it maybe 0.7 that packs it differently, I dont know
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(my server is 0.7 based, but DDNet clients can join)
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Ah well, I can manually send that character in chat
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DDNet server works locally, what else can it be?
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fokkonaut 2022-09-28 23:05:14Z
To me it looks like the character gets swapped by a question mark before it gets sent to a client, means probably while compiling?
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deen 2022-09-28 23:07:16Z
Yeah, then probably 0.7 filters out some unicode
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fokkonaut 2022-09-28 23:07:25Z
No, as I said it works when I manually send it.
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Lol, it worked when I saved the file as "Unicode (UTF8 WITHOUT Signature) - ...
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fokkonaut
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fokkonaut 2022-09-28 23:08:16Z
While here, I did it with signature.
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Since I have updated my mod to C++ (no C anymore in system) I get these errors, does anyone have a solution?
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heinrich5991 2022-09-28 23:13:03Z
does it have #include <system.h>?
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ah
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client.m needs to be client.mm
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so it's objective-C++ and not objective-C
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fokkonaut 2022-09-28 23:13:46Z
So I just change that?
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heinrich5991 2022-09-28 23:13:50Z
I think so
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fokkonaut 2022-09-28 23:17:56Z
Seems to be better :D What is this?
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heinrich5991 2022-09-28 23:18:48Z
need TWMain in src/engine/client/client.cpp, probably?
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good night
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fokkonaut 2022-09-28 23:20:40Z
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It is there tho
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