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Aaayyooo

01:45

Anybody got a peanut?

uhhh sniper pointer

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Voxel

Here are the ones I made today. Theme: Clocks

yo i made it in there

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05:56

lets go

05:56

also sick ui btw

LOL

Voxel

uhhh sniper pointer

Cool scope

07:41

Cyberpunk topic?

kind of

when sick ui for tw

kek

@TsFreddie 2 hours which direction from Beijing?

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I don't think I've ever seen that dish you sent. I guess it just never made it out of china

Learath2

I don't think I've ever seen that dish you sent. I guess it just never made it out of china

probably not. never seen them in us or uk as well

17:37

and it's not part of the cantonese or fuzhou food i believe

17:38

which us has a lot of

Uk and Us also have robust chinese communities with some decent authentic chinese food. So if you dont find it there, I dont think you'll get it anywhere

TsFreddie

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wow roads are so straight

Learath2

Uk and Us also have robust chinese communities with some decent authentic chinese food. So if you dont find it there, I dont think you'll get it anywhere

most of them are cantonese sichuan fuzhou or lanzhou and they don't usually make breakfast i believe?

17:39

cuz you don't eat tofunao anytime other than breakfast

17:40

it's really hard to get them past 11am

17:40

probably because no one order them pass noon

Honestly the only time I had a breakfast at a chinese restaurant has been congee and some youtiao

that's probably standard as well but we don't have congee that much at this part.

17:42

or people just eat congee at home so no one makes them

17:42

either way

Oh and once like 3 bao. Though that wasnt explicitly breakfast. I was just hungy and needed something I can carry with

sounds like a very standard chinese breakfast package

17:43

if you ask for chinese breakfast without saying what you want, you'll probably get those things instead of local breakfasts

17:44

actually, scratch that

17:44

congee youtiao and bao sounds like fastfood breakfast

17:45

noodles and tofunao are more off a street breakfast thing

17:45

that might be easier to understand

Youtiao is one thing I never tried to recreate

17:46

Maybe I should give it a go. I havent been cooking much lately, might be fun

TsFreddie

that might be easier to understand

you would get them at proper restaurants nowadays, but it used to be some people opening a cart on the street that serves breakfast

Learath2

Youtiao is one thing I never tried to recreate

never did myself either

17:47

we can just buy frozen youtiaos here lol

hi

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the street food youtiaos are so different from store bought or from a restaurants tho

Mfw I cant even buy frozen wonton wrappers here

probably because there are food regulations for restaurants and food products

17:49

i've heard they put potassium alum into street youtiaos and it is bad for you

17:49

no idea what it does tho

17:50

the store bought youtiao taste more like fried bread to me.

17:50

the street ones are crunchy

17:54

feelsamazingman

ok i should go to bed

17:54

I would take pictures next time I'm getting groceries in person to tease you

BASED

steam deck user present

we been getting delivery groceries lately because of lazyness and covid as an excuse.

i also got lto of deliveries lately

17:55

laziness t at its best

17:56

but i got a rly good japanese restaurant nearby

17:56

i order them a lot

how long does grocery delivery take for you guys

pricey tho

or was it just food delivery

17:57

beijing is a bit huge so our food delivery usually takes 40 minutes to arrive

17:57

in tangshan we can get our delivery 20 to 30 minutes after order.

17:58

kek

which i think is pretty insane

fast food like mcdonald's, kfs - 30 mins, restaurants from one hour

Deeper

fast food like mcdonald's, kfs - 30 mins, restaurants from one hour

+

-Saint Petersburg

my town is 30 times smaller than harkov

18:00

delivers there aren't motivated that much i suppose

chinese delivery drivers are nuts

TsFreddie

in tangshan we can get our delivery 20 to 30 minutes after order.

my fastest in barcelona

18:00

10 mins

oof

завидую им

18:01

я недели две назад суши заказывал

18:01

они мало того что их час готовили

18:01

доставили тоже через час

kek

когда здание этого заведения было буквально в 15 минутах ходьбы

18:01

я бы сам пришел но лень было

18:02

в шесть заказал приехали в восемь

18:02

горячие остыли увы

18:02

кто нафиг придумал горячие суши

that happens a lot here too

18:03

also what's горячие суши

горячие суши и запеченные суши мои любимые greenthing

greenthing

hot sushi idk

18:03

hot rolls

ye but why are they hot lol

xD

Deeper

горячие суши и запеченные суши мои любимые greenthing

greenthing

мне привезли рис с огурцом обернутые в тесто

18:03

зажаренное в масле

18:03

больше не буду покупать troll

troll

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TsFreddie

ye but why are they hot lol

ну их варят в масле (edited)

18:04

оболочку по крайней мере

justatest

Понимаю

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TsFreddie

justatest

Понимаю

@Anime.pdf ваш выход

18:06

ты заказывал кста суши?

18:06

когда нибудь

18:06

я уже забыл

в жизни не пробовал

аче пробовал

18:07

роллы?

ok i'm lost

18:07

google translate isn't working

anime.pdf now its ur turn

18:07

did u ever try sushi

18:07

i forgot it

btw why do google translate translate read into hear for russian

wtf

18:08

how

TsFreddie

btw why do google translate translate read into hear for russian

didn't read получается troll

troll

gerdoe

роллы?

нет

18:08

не люблю морепродукты

а креветки

нет

а пробовал

нет

попробуй как нибудь

18:09

вареные кревет очки

хзхз

Ryozuki

i also got lto of deliveries lately

Me too. Couldnt be assed to cook when I was studying like 7 hours a day

ok it is working now. I swear it was translating read into hear when I translate it back to double check

justatest

Я хотел бы прочитать их, потому что я думаю, что это классный язык.

TsFreddie

in tangshan we can get our delivery 20 to 30 minutes after order.

In this tiny city I live in its usually sub 15 minutes

this is the one I was trying to make

TsFreddie

Я хотел бы прочитать их, потому что я думаю, что это классный язык.

ты хотел бы прочитать наш диалог потому что думаешь что русский язык классный?

gerdoe

вареные кревет очки

обычные, варенные креветки - без вкуса, как по мне

lmao

Deeper

обычные, варенные креветки - без вкуса, как по мне

хз

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я чувствовал этот нежный вкус креветочьего мяса

18:11

не такой выраженный но и не без вкуса

TsFreddie

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wtf

18:11

someone broke google translate

I always thought google translate worked pretty well with russian

and also did i

18:12

seems not

18:12

try translate.yandex.ru troll

troll

gerdoe

не такой выраженный но и не без вкуса

в темпуре и острым соусом супер балдежно

deepL seems fine

18:12

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спасибо за идейку

TsFreddie

deepL seems fine

deep L lmao

TsFreddie

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10/10

Возможно ли для вас читать по-русски латинским алфавитом?

18:14

Или это было не так?

broken translation

lol

TsFreddie

Возможно ли для вас читать по-русски латинским алфавитом?

nu da

was it possible to read russian in latin alphabet?

v 0.5 tishke tak i zhili

yes

so it was like basically one to one but with different glyphs? (edited)

XoT9 Mo}|{Ho u 3To Bc/7oMHuTb xd

gerdoe

XoT9 Mo}|{Ho u 3To Bc/7oMHuTb xd

that's just you typing with english keyboard i persume

nah

18:16

obfuscated russian text

justatest

oh i get it

"хотя можно и это вспомнить xd"

lol

18:17

slav power

panslav

gerdoe

panslav

do you have english classes in your elementry or middle school educations

yeah i have it from the first grade

18:21

and still have it

I feel like Russians are usually capable of speaking some english. more than most asian countries do.

18:21

china is cutting back on english educations lately

так весело читать ваш диалог :D

честно говоря большинство соотечественников (те кто живет в моем городе) знают английский на уровне Hello my name is

обычно я веселый парень

и не везде обучают английскому увы

18:22

да и люди не хотят че уж

maybe it's just people who are online are usually more capable of speaking english

скорее всего

18:23

не встречал еще англоговорящих городчан которые не общаются с иностранцами и знают английский на среднем уровне

я никогда не учил английский, но хорошо его знаю на разговорном уровне благодаря тишке

нет практики нет выхлопа

posouse🤍

я никогда не учил английский, но хорошо его знаю на разговорном уровне благодаря тишке

жиза

justatest

chinese people are pretty bad at online english convos but some might be caused by the entirely separated internet culture. (edited)

а как это?

18:24

у вас нет доступа к интернету получается

18:24

или как...

скорее у них есть аналоги на все сервисы, где только китайцы

I don't know

они просто не видят английский в интернете

it's just most chinese people I know can't catch the vibe.

posouse🤍

они просто не видят английский в интернете

ye that, but even those who do use discord from time to time

скорее всего у китайцев информации и так в изобилии

can struggle with some expressions

и альтернатив не требуется

including me tbh

TsFreddie

ye that, but even those who do use discord from time to time

я слышал дискорд заприщен в китае, и мало кто им пользуется

i know

18:26

but i mean the people who do use it are usually bad at english as well.

ну вот он и делает акцент на том что даже те кто пользуются дискордом не могут уловить разговорного английского (edited)

18:26

как то так

18:26

в общем

also discord aren't technically banned, the chinese firewall works in mysterious ways. you can't access google anywhere in china, but you can log into discord without any proxy or VPN in some cities.

я не встречал в дискорде китайцев, кроме cheesera и тсфреди

cheeser isn't even chinese

posouse🤍

я не встречал в дискорде китайцев, кроме cheesera и тсфреди

я их постоянно вижу

18:28

меня даже на китайский фурри сервер приглашали

18:28

и на корейский еще

gerdoe

меня даже на китайский фурри сервер приглашали

justatest

только я ничего не понимаю troll

troll

gerdoe

меня даже на китайский фурри сервер приглашали

sent invite plz

TsFreddie

sent invite plz

invalid invite

kek

чв

чв

чв

странно, но я продумываю сообщения на английском когда в чате кто то не русский, даже когда я пишу на русском

TsFreddie

do you have english classes in your elementry or middle school educations

we have very poor English language instruction in our schools. And teachers are usually women from ussr who have little practice :/

I never think chinese when I'm on discord

мне честно говоря лень продумывать сообщение на английском поэтому я пишу счас на русском

18:30

благо фредди лоялен к русскому языку :D

gerdoe

мне честно говоря лень продумывать сообщение на английском поэтому я пишу счас на русском

я пишу на русском потому что ты пишешь на русском :D

Deeper

we have very poor English language instruction in our schools. And teachers are usually women from ussr who have little practice :/

that's pretty common, not everybody would afford to study abroad. besides the ones who do don't usually end up being teachers anyway. (edited)

gerdoe

благо фредди лоялен к русскому языку :D

i'm just really fast at copy and pasting

да я вижу хд

18:32

ноби тоже

TsFreddie

that's pretty common, not everybody would afford to study abroad. besides the ones who do don't usually end up being teachers anyway. (edited)

очень много репетиторов на самом деле

noby probably just want to see if you are spreading cheats

спрос есть на это все есть

18:33

но это же не обязательное образование

justatest

TsFreddie

noby probably just want to see if you are spreading cheats

я буквально админ фнг justatest

justatest

justatest

18:34

I like that you can type fng in russian and it still works in translate

18:34

so was it really almost 1 to 1 to latin alphabets

да

18:34

но с "ж ч щ" не прокатит (edited)

weird

но у нас в алфавите нет букв w q

в и к

v k?

justatest

i think you guys broke translate

18:35

but I think i get it

мы пытались

posouse🤍

v k?

w=в q=к

ж ч щ doesn't exists in latin alphabet and w q doesn't exists in russian

TsFreddie

ж ч щ doesn't exists in latin alphabet and w q doesn't exists in russian

да

zh ch and sch

gerdoe

zh ch and sch

that's almost chinese

but not 1 to 1

18:36

ye xddd

we have zh ch sh

TsFreddie

we have zh ch sh

but noone have ь and ъ

freddie get a lot of money and buy navyfield pls

18:37

i need sources

18:37

xd

posouse🤍

but noone have ь and ъ

это же все равно сочетания

gerdoe

freddie get a lot of money and buy navyfield pls

lmao

18:37

and no

:(

gerdoe

это же все равно сочетания

но буквы как таковой нет

ну смотри

18:37

вьюга

18:37

vjuga

18:37

но пень

18:37

pen'

gerdoe

vjuga

вджуга какая то

ok another question

ты как йот читаешь

18:38

это й

if you see a english word that is mappable to russian

18:38

would you say it in russian as well if you don't know how it was pronounced

18:38

think when you just started to learn english

как он сложно пишет

это смешно звучит когда читаешь это транслитом

18:39

он очень легко пишет

маппебле не очень понятно для меня

one second turning on my volume so I can hear google translate say them

хотя я так понял он имеет ввиду слова читающиеся одинаково на русском и на английском

которые можно перенести на русский

18:39

транслитом

это как

18:40

я не вдупляю

ну posouse

18:40

посоусе

аа

хотя читается посаус

транслитом literally sounds like the word

it is xd

18:40

transliteration

posouse🤍

хотя я так понял он имеет ввиду слова читающиеся одинаково на русском и на английском

i mean, a bit. but I wonder if you would guess a english pronunciation in russians, but I guess not

18:41

i know japanese and chinese would do that constantly

хз прочитать правильно английские слова очень легко

18:42

если это не заимствования

since japanese has romaji and chinese has pinyin that literally uses the latin alphabet

18:42

people guessing english sounds in pinyin is the funniest

можешь дать пример?

18:43

хочется посмеяться

I once heard a guy say cache as 擦车 (paste it in google translate)

каче

18:43

качает

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ка че)

ка чë

ok i don't think english has the c sound in chinese

18:45

you would probably need to let google read it to you

а не

18:45

ха чо

18:45

читает

TsFreddie

ok i don't think english has the c sound in chinese

ты имеешь ввиду ц?

нет

18:45

си

18:46

или оба ахах

18:46

или про ка

чв

posouse🤍

ты имеешь ввиду ц?

a little bit

@TsFreddie ты знаешь японский?

ца probably

posouse🤍

@TsFreddie ты знаешь японский?

not at all

18:46

but i can read some of the kanji

18:47

i mean they are almost chinese

18:47

after all

TsFreddie

not at all

я знаю его совсем немного, пег научил меня нескольким словам

TsFreddie

i mean they are almost chinese

chinese invasion of japan when

"бакайаро" или "шине"

18:48

его слова

bakairo shine

bakayaro

18:48

baka + yaro

18:48

бака это типо

18:48

дурашка

18:48

а йаро это усиление

gerdoe

chinese invasion of japan when

never

усиление слова*

дурак

gerdoe

chinese invasion of japan when

taiwan on the other hand tho

taiwan is chinese in our school maps

или on

18:52

эх

Russian is on chinas side i think

самое смешное что там внизу есть флаги всех государств

18:52

на карте

18:52

там есть флаг тайваня

same with Ukraine, chinese media isn't reporting as much Ukraine war as western media do

у нас про мобилизацию опять завыли

18:53

если не поступлю в университет попаду под сумы

flags aren't a problem imo

gerdoe

если не поступлю в университет попаду под сумы

благо у меня еще отсрочка 3 года

chinese people react to much about taiwan flags really

lmao

hong kong has a flag too as a symbol of chinas one country two systems policy about hongkong and macao

18:56

if we get taiwan back i would imagine it being the same as hongkong

18:56

xi seems really want to be done with taiwan issues during his reign but no one knows what he'll do.

18:57

maybe he doesn't even know himself although i doubt it.

я думаю он ждет накала в общемировой политической системе

18:58

когда уже будет точка невозврата для большинства государств

18:58

мне лично интересно что будет если россия проиграет войну

china plans way too many things ahead to the point of it being way too obvious after the fact, but no one could guess what theyll do beforehand

gerdoe

мне лично интересно что будет если россия проиграет войну

i mean.. is there a winning in this situation

да

19:01

победа это захват киева

19:01

заставят подписать договор

19:01

отберут легально новороссию

19:01

а львовскую область отдадут польше чтоб не бесновалась

gerdoe

а львовскую область отдадут польше чтоб не бесновалась

it's just Ukraine become part of russia?

зачем россии украина?

19:02

тут больше вопрос про выход в черное море

19:02

не более

19:02

хотя это лично мое мнение

ok

я вообще не понимаю к чему это все

gerdoe

мне лично интересно что будет если россия проиграет войну

It's already happened xD

больше похоже на войну элит

so it's not at all like the taiwan situation

19:03

idk why people keep comparing taiwan to ukraine

тоже не понимаю

taiwan issue itself is already the result of a war.

19:05

resolve it with more war seems off

ukrain is pretty poor, taiwan is rich (and really important for computer industry) xd so absolutly not comparable

that's also what western media often complains about... there is no real goal for putin

19:06

nothing to win

19:06

stupid national thinking

if we take taiwan does that mean china becomes the semiconductor factories as well

either that, or taiwan will destroy them

19:07

i could imagine both

Jupstar ✪

either that, or taiwan will destroy them

это будет коллапс

the latter is more likely

пузырь лопнет troll

troll

in theory

19:07

in practice china would steal them anyway

yeah taiwan is rather western from thinking

and maybe we already did

19:08

there are news about 5nm nodes in china lately

china has so many ppl, if they all get education, china will catch up in any way

haven't seen any actual products tho

will just take few more years until it happens

19:08

maybe 10-15 years

ye that

19:09

well at least i hope

19:09

the government fund for tech development always get wasted on something superficial

TsFreddie

the government fund for tech development always get wasted on something superficial

и у нас

i hope chinese ppl will learn what human rights are about

like chinese made operating systems which are just custom linux distros

a rich dictatorship sounds scary xD

у нас сделали копию raspberrypi на основе китайской копии

they get mad funds for that

TsFreddie

they get mad funds for that

и у нас хд

Jupstar ✪

i hope chinese ppl will learn what human rights are about

I'm more than happy to keep living. and thats enough for me lmao

mhh i like when ppl have the self conficence to create smth on their own

19:11

rn chinas government controls pretty much everything

also if video game industry gets lossen up a bit that would be great ok thanks

but anyway china is really at the beginning rn, not like europe was a shit continent like 100 years ago too

words are saying the next National Congress would make some changes to the video game policies

but over the period of peace in the last ~100 years + stable economy most human rights and everything that was accomplished evolved from generation to generation

19:13

i mean USA had slaves around 150years ago

people are saying it would be good new for game devs

19:13

all the game dev companies are talking about it

19:13

i hope it's true

usa is rly new

19:14

1776

Jupstar ✪

but over the period of peace in the last ~100 years + stable economy most human rights and everything that was accomplished evolved from generation to generation

государства социального благосостояния это рак мира

catalonia exists since 1100 or earlier

19:14

The earliest known use of the name "Catalonia" for these counties dates to 1117. At the end of the 9th century, the Count of Barcelona Wilfred the Hairy (878–897) made his titles hereditaries and thus founded the dynasty of the House of Barcelona, which ruled Catalonia until 1410.

19:14

BASED

xd

the video game publishing just resumed for a few month, it would be great if they started to allow more content with age rating in place (edited)

Ryozuki

catalonia exists since 1100 or earlier

catalun

and there are words saying the big video game companies are getting banned to publish more games recently like tencent and netease

1

19:16

which isn't really a good new but it's at least good for smaller companies like us

19:16

TsFreddie

and there are words saying the big video game companies are getting banned to publish more games recently like tencent and netease

does china fear they get too mighty?

yep

@Learath2 https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/xdbnqa/inside_a_hong_kong_coffin_home/

r/interestingasfuck - Inside a Hong Kong coffin home

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19:16

lol

19:16

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19:17

Inside a Hong Kong coffin home

it's become too captalist

19:17

lol

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average ddnet enjoyer

i think china is trying to revive socialism

TsFreddie

i think china is trying to revive socialism

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TsFreddie

i think china is trying to revive socialism

but authoritarian socialism. we had that too in germany called DDR

19:18

and it didnt work xd

19:19

udssr also died

china always says we are running socialism with chinese characteristics. but i think the chinese characteristics part is just to use capitalism to integrate into global export system.

19:19

then slowly steer it back after the economic growtb

19:20

thats my wild guess

19:20

ye you are right

i mean chinas system kinda works rn, the question is, how well does it scale, there are still too many poor ppl in china

and i think we are moving into the steering back stage where gaint companies are getting weird treatments lately

the cities are maybe rich, but what about smaller towns etc

I'm not a country boy so i really have no idea

TsFreddie

and i think we are moving into the steering back stage where gaint companies are getting weird treatments lately

yeah, 50 years ago USA also destroyed monopolies, now its not doing anything against them anymore

19:22

its good until its not good xd

TsFreddie

I'm not a country boy so i really have no idea

city ppl are generally richer

but i know currently the farmers in the east north are richer than us lol.

19:22

even where i live wages are lower than in bigger cities

us as in tangshan, not beijing

TsFreddie

but i know currently the farmers in the east north are richer than us lol.

if they control lot of fields yes

19:23

but thats usually only a small part of the population

tangshans wages is also really low, but i wouldnt say we are poor.

i mean u get around 2k$

19:23

thats not too bad? is it with taxes?

I'm pretty sure poverty is still a thing in the middle to south part. and maybe the west

19:24

I'm in beijing

19:24

and if they still pays me I'm proper middleclass

19:25

i mean if i stay i tangshan and get a normal job at home

19:26

i would get like around 400 to 500usd in an office which is a lot of ppl's dream job cuz office jobs are stable af in china.

2k$ here is good pay

19:26

in spain

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most get 1600€ clean

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or less

400usd is plenty to live in tangshan.

yes if u have 2k$ with taxes paid, then its middleclass in germany

19:27

maybe a bit under middleclass

19:27

but still ok, since u pretty young

ye i know

19:27

but i still wish they can pay me tho

19:28

actually, it would be super cool if they can pay my all they salary they owed me in one goes. i would probably never seen that much money in my entire life.

19:29

i wouldn't be so careful with spending money if I'm still getting payed

19:29

TsFreddie

actually, it would be super cool if they can pay my all they salary they owed me in one goes. i would probably never seen that much money in my entire life.

so u would get 2k$ but u get less, bcs they cannot pay you?

yep, company has money issue since new year

19:30

i didnt get less

ok smth like that would not happen in germany probably

they'd need to send u home if production is too low

i didn't get payed at all

big RIP

other than a 5000 cny and a 4000 cny helpers from last two months

Jupstar ✪

ok smth like that would not happen in germany probably

they'd need to send u home if production is too low

it technically can't happen in china as well

19:33

but since we are just a few people, we just pay taxes to pretend we are paying employees and promise compensation after we got the fund

risky move

if I sue my boss i can force the company to bankrupt and sell all of their assets to get my salaries

19:34

but we still have a mobile game to launch, so I'll wait

Good luck suing anyone lol

we just got signed as tencents first party content provider for their "next hardware"

19:35

so we might started to get some money if we can pump out their required project cheaply and fast enough

why dont u move to USA, didnt u study there? USA = huge wages xd

19:36

and 100% capitalism xdd

boss says no one was investing in mobile games lately so he went on and made a vr game himself to attract investors

19:37

then suddenly mobile game investors started to contact us again

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which is weird

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i

feelsbadman

we'll see

19:38

we are looking for just a few millions, which is enough to save us and let us finish the mobile game at least.

19:41

there is also a 4 million cny project some e-commerce company is oursourcing. we are still deciding whether to take it. cuz if we want to save the mobile game project we need to make this project way under budget and still meet their requirements and keep the rest of the fund to the mobile game project.

19:41

feelsbadman

economy is just pevert, when do robots replace humans in it

also i have no idea why I'm being dragged into these project meetings when I'm clearly know nothing about business and only have a year or work experience.

19:42

bluestripe

bcs they also know nothing and u probs the most intelligent there xD (edited)

i don't even know if I should feel honored or horrified.

probs both xD

Imposter syndrome

usually just my boss talking and i just need to throw some words around to confuse the clients

19:44

bluestripe

sounds like a strategy xD

so much for lead developer i guess

19:45

i really like the word client side prediction

19:46

cuz it's like no one knows about them, even during some tech interviews. ye it's the only networking solution i know. since it's basically how teeworlds does things.

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also i love how unity networking devs are slowly getting into making client side prediction and snapshot delta compression frameworks while teeworlds was using them since 2007.

TsFreddie

also i love how unity networking devs are slowly getting into making client side prediction and snapshot delta compression frameworks while teeworlds was using them since 2007.

lel

Are there server side predictions?

there are collider rollbacks or lag compensation for hit detection

pilonpl

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aslong as u cant buy skill, friends or love with money its useless rplace

rplace

which is entirely server side

19:51

which is also how counter strike worked i believe

csgo sucks hard, i see others lag even if i dont lag

19:51

completly unfair

well thats a separate issue

That's how it works in ddnet too

no?

no

Some people basically teleport instead of walking

teeworlds uses client side prediction for local player and nothing for other players by default.

19:53

teleporting is a separate issue

Idk how predictions workz it's weird

19:55

But they're should be quite simple

19:56

I think it just assumes tees will do what they're already doing

you were at tick 0, you send input at tick 0, server process the input, send you the result of tick 0 and you are currently at tick 8, so you used the tick 0 info and replays your last 8 local input and show user the end result.

19:58

btw prediction for yourself is always turned on

Predictions for yourself?

other wise you would only move after server tells you that you moved

19:59

hence input lag

pilonpl

Predictions for yourself?

cl_predict 0

Um, idk if that counts as predictions

19:59

It doesn't really predict anything

thats the fundamental part about prediction, its the recording and replaying local players input

19:59

it does

I mean, it predictis that server prpbably will accept your movements right?

you don't know if your action of moving right is processed by the server but you assume it does because it probably does.

20:00

it assumes

20:00

the end result is predicted

20:00

based on the assumption

It would be unplayable without that lol

yes and no

20:01

for teeworlds you really need that, because server sends you the info about you

20:02

but in lots of fps, you actually send server your own info, like positions

Ddnet doesn't send the position?

then all your movement are indeed processed locally, then send the result to the server. which doesn't need prediction

20:03

ddnet doesn't send player position (edited)

20:03

it only sends you input, like move directions and button presses

Interesting

so it predicts where you would be with these sequences of input

20:04

thats the prediction part

So i guess the local representation quite often desyncs

20:04

From the server

20:05

All the time probably

with antiping off other tees always desyncs ye

20:05

you are in the future seeing other tees in the pass

20:06

with antiping on you are in the future seeing other tees also in the future if they keep the same button presses

20:07

you are always in the future. in fact, you are always a head of server in real time as well. you always runs a tick or two a head of server

Makes sense

20:08

Great we have only like 100ms delay

the extra ticks are there to prevent lag spike making server not receiving your input in time.

20:09

if server misses a tick of input, there were always a tick of input in the future available to use.

20:09

also you always send the last 8 ticks of inputs and the server would fill anything it dropped.

Everyone has thier own version of reality lol

20:13

Idk how the gameplay is so smooth with all these delays and predictions

20:14

And completely deterministic too i guess

20:15

But all this wouldn't be possible without people who built the internet

deterministic is easy. at least for teeworlds

20:17

since all the physics are done in integer math with no rng.

Cosmic rays on thier way to ruin math

lol

error correcting codes on their way to ruin cosmic rays

teeworlds does have crc in the snapshot deltas iirc

crc is not correcting code (edited)

right

20:20

then i don't think teeworlds has error corrections regarding to deltas

its just a checksum (like indicated in the name), you know there's an error, but you cannot correct it

feelsbadman

20:21

i wish our game have snapshot deltas

Wtf are snapshot deltas

but we are using unity physics which inherently are floats which cannot be delta compressed

pilonpl

Wtf are snapshot deltas

basically teeworlds server only send you changed to the world since the last time you acknowledge you received a complete world state.

they can?

how

20:26

i don't know how you can delta two floating numbers to reduced the bits required to convey the same info without quantization. (edited)

you need quantization to do that, indeed

20:26

but tw is quantized, no?

tw is straight up integer physics i think?

in a way, you cannot have smaller diffs than 1/32 i believe

by our game i mean the game we are making in unity. quantization doesn't work well with unity physics. it really doesnt like it bluestripe

bluestripe

how so? Do you mean you have to cast quantized number to float at every library call?

casting is fine, but the physics engine would constantly think there are gaps between objects and a stack of three boxes would jitter like crazy

As long as you agree on a representation for the floats, you can just delta compress them, no?

float representation is normalized, so if you change representation, you lose hardware support (edited)

it's more of a physics engine problem

20:32

it become a feedback system, where each box would drop a bit then quantized back to a position then drop a bit again, which means a stack of objects would always move to somewhere and never sleeps.

ahahha, you just recreated thermal noise

20:32

brownian movement in a nutshell

20:33

try to lower temperature

Learath2

As long as you agree on a representation for the floats, you can just delta compress them, no?

ye, but a physics system that basically make small changes every tick doesn't leave you much stuff to compress

20:33

and you would probably waste another byte to do the varint.

TsFreddie

it become a feedback system, where each box would drop a bit then quantized back to a position then drop a bit again, which means a stack of objects would always move to somewhere and never sleeps.

you need to carefully pick the quantization step, it must be a power of 2 to avoid these problems

i could try

тко овде може да ради ствари које не мају везе са овим што се тренутно дешава

note that you can obviously pick a negative power number, like -10 --> 2^-10 = 1/1024

ок требао сам да напишем као ко али мислим да нема везе

but even if i got the quantization work. i still need to code the snapshot storage which isn't there yet lmao

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kek

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i wish we got the budget to let me code my own networking library

20:39

tbh we really should code our own networking library because thats reusable company assets that can handle a lot more type of games which most networking stacks for unity still can not do out of the box to this day.

20:39

which might gave us an edge whenever we need to quickly whip up a prototype for clients

20:41

we do VR games for clients, and there aren't many chinese VR company who can handle convincing physics synchronization, other than some big companies i think

20:45

bruh it's almost 5 am already (edited)

no its 11pm already

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damn

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