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can you check how this would look for ninja?

fokkonaut

can you check how this would look for ninja?

Sword still in same position

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Also I'm going to create an animation tab in appearance; because it's more readable, and Kill Messages also only has 2 options.

Both setting ticks work! Uploading the commit

The build works just fine, but I think I need to add a return here, since github says it doesn't really work if it doesn't.

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justatest

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07:37

i have a lot to do tommorow

07:39

GRRH ITS ALL BECAUSE OF CLIENT_VERSONNR

much better

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ReiTW

@Ravie Senpai hope u didn't came back to annoy people

I don't know what you mean

Ravie Senpai

If you have the opportunity, try to lookup the first incoming IPv4 address(s) from the DoS if possible. It could be feasible that one of my scripts was used where I implemented an extra secret arg which you need to pass, otherwise the server will spoof the first packet(s) with its real IPv4 address(s) and false calculations.

swapped sides?

fokkonaut

swapped sides?

I did not. I just don't like people that are using other peoples stuff (maybe again this time) without giving credits or ask for permissions at least. If you DoS a game with small server capacity (that requires 0.01% skill and knowledge), then stay to your origin and agree to the accusations of being a script kiddy since years.

11:05

Well said

does our ddnet bot support discord.js?

Jupstar ✪

does our ddnet bot support discord.js?

wdym support?

i want to use js to create skin previews for #📬submit-skins but i dont want to use python bcs i hate python xd

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5807 Fix minor issues with editor value selectors

Checklist

[X] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-addres...

Jupstar ✪

i want to use js to create skin previews for #📬submit-skins but i dont want to use python bcs i hate python xd

11:27

lmao its like 0.7 client, pet the skins

Jupstar ✪

i want to use js to create skin previews for #📬submit-skins but i dont want to use python bcs i hate python xd

you could maybe create a js api to render the preview and then make a request to the url in python to upload the resulting image to discord? (edited)

i tried that https://aliveclan.de/ddnettmp/skinsrenderer.html?skin=https://ddnet.tw/skins/skin/2005tfo.png

11:34

but we defs need an extra layer

11:34

would be cool if discord could just preview it^^

well you need to upload the image as an attachement i guess (edited)

yes but how long would discord wait before timing out?

timing out?

i need to fetch the data, then render the canvas, then render smth on the canvas

11:36

if discord is too stupid it will just think there is an empty page with an canvas (edited)

well it's not discord

11:37

it would be python

mh yeah if smbdy will do that xd

11:37

bcs i dont want to touch it

i could try

11:37

but i'm seeing a redirect from the url you gave?

ok easiest would be if the python sends it as base64 string to the renderer

11:37

yes

11:38

it creates a blob as soon as the canvas is finished

i see

Jupstar ✪

ok easiest would be if the python sends it as base64 string to the renderer

the skin as base64 string?

yes

how would the request look like

else if u know how to create images in python i can also give you the js code

11:38

its rather small

11:39

4.14 KB

[ddnet:master] 4 new commits

3fd87df Fix mouse staying locked when activating text mode in editor - Robyt3 2e8d203 Fix editor value selector not allowing minimal value change - Robyt3 cef9842 Fix minimum/maximum values of editor properties - Robyt3 d1fdb1f Merge #5807 - bors[bot]

11:49

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #5807 Fix minor issues with editor value selectors

you could also use this https://github.com/teeworlds-utilities/tw-utils

GitHub - teeworlds-utilities/tw-utils:

Teeworlds asset utilities ...

Teeworlds asset utilities used by skins.tw (merge, extract, rendering, scenes, etc...) - GitHub - teeworlds-utilities/tw-utils:

Teeworlds asset utilities used by skins.tw (merge, extract, rend...

the preview already looks wrong

11:50

i used client code now, so its accurate

true, it looks a little bit off

Swarfey

you could also use this https://github.com/teeworlds-utilities/tw-utils

i rewrote it completely for my discord bridge too, but only because i found out of this after i had already finished it

Swarfey

i rewrote it completely for my discord bridge too, but only because i found out of this after i had already finished it

do you use a nodejs server on your discord then?

yes

11:51

its completely in nodejs

11:52

even the client is in nodejs/typescript

ok well that would indeed be easy for this then too probably

but i think ddnet bot only uses python rn

ye idk xd

Jupstar ✪

ok well that would indeed be easy for this then too probably

but i think ddnet bot only uses python rn

rewrite it

12:22

discord.py is ded since a long time

i dont even know who hosts the bot xD

eeven if they use some cmds

12:22

the bot should stop working soon

12:22

if they don't migrate to a fork that is up to date or else like discord.js or serenity (Rust) (edited)

anyway for now i want to try to make a new webpage for ddnet kog and skins.tw look much more modern, ddnet looks like some 2005 website xdd

12:25

but at least ravie already hater xdd

Jupstar ✪

anyway for now i want to try to make a new webpage for ddnet kog and skins.tw look much more modern, ddnet looks like some 2005 website xdd

KoG website.. Where the light mode is bugged because of the black mode....

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its not about if the website works xd

I'm talking about the design

12:30

The design looks ugly as hell

well i dunno it looks unfinished true

Also making a new DDNet website isn't worth it

but generally its clean and has some layout idea

12:31

when i click through the sites

Mh, it’s not that ugly. It’s just a cookie cutter modern website though. Very standardized looking

i can quickly upload my current progress, but i am not yet focusing on design purly

12:32

most logic isnt finished

Learath2

Mh, it’s not that ugly. It’s just a cookie cutter modern website though. Very standardized looking

I consider that as ugly. I don't know if I'm weird, but I want something more unique. That looks like every bootstrap template on the second page of search results

https://aliveclan.de/

I honestly prefer something more unique aswell. Just bootstrap on everyone and their mothers projects is just annoying

happy

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currently the skin database is my working ground

12:33

fixed spacing, rendering and made it mobile friendly

12:33

but it can only render rn, no searching etc

Jupstar ✪

https://aliveclan.de/

Some box shadows and it actually looks quite promising

ReiTW

discord.py is ded since a long time

https://gist.github.com/Rapptz/c4324f17a80c94776832430007ad40e6

mh dunno yet

murpi

https://gist.github.com/Rapptz/c4324f17a80c94776832430007ad40e6

yes ik that

12:34

ho

12:34

no

12:34

idk that

Jupstar ✪

https://aliveclan.de/

It looks a bit like a PDF with chapters for now (no hate)

LOL I only knew when he was dead, good news

Too much scrolling down

and how would you rate the current site against that?

12:35

it has the exact same content

That's exactly what I want you to say

12:36

It's just the same but with other colours and more "pew pew"

i generally think the current page looks too overwhelming

12:36

too much different colors, doesnt look clean

Ravie Senpai

I don't know what you mean

by that I meant that you're known for doing shit illegal stuff

ReiTW

by that I meant that you're known for doing shit illegal stuff

I don't

zoozpepe

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Jupstar ✪

https://aliveclan.de/

I’d experiment with some padding in your larger containers sides. Maybe just for the contents of the inner container or even just the outer container to mimic a bit of a “border”

12:38

I’m not a big fan of the seamless look with container sides

well i am not a fan of borders in borders

I’m a fan of borders in borders. Clear hierarchy ❤️

Learath2

I’m a fan of borders in borders. Clear hierarchy ❤️

rip schengen

its really ugly show me one site that does that and doesnt look trash xD

ReiTW

by that I meant that you're known for doing shit illegal stuff

But if you have any problems with me, just pm me. We don't need to run a conversation like this in a public place.

Don't need to, people already know u

Do they

Learath2

I’m a fan of borders in borders. Clear hierarchy ❤️

i prefer to eliminate all randomness, see on current page for example weird random boxes everywhere, too much random space

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you wouldn't like latex then

Jupstar ✪

its really ugly show me one site that does that and doesnt look trash xD

trash is a bit of an overstatement, but sure, design is subjective afterall

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yeah dunno imo the hierarchy is already given by using different colors

12:46

this just creates extra unused space

So does the centering, aesthetic decisions usually do that. Just 20 px off your screen compared to the massive grey bars on the outside

12:47

If space efficiency is the goal we could d

12:47

o

12:47

binpacking

12:48

Sorry, the keyboard on this mac is dead, it randomly sends enter

lmao

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #5799 Minor (known) visuell Editor bug , vanishing layers

Jupstar ✪

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thats cute

Jupstar ✪

but at least ravie already hater xdd

I'm not hater, it just needs a design that has some soul

Ravie

I'm not hater, it just needs a design that has some soul

How about a largeish vector tee slightlydarker than the background in the background that is invariant to scrolling? Soul = added

and have it be saddo? Souly = added

Learath2

How about a largeish vector tee slightlydarker than the background in the background that is invariant to scrolling? Soul = added

do u know this wide putin walk? we need that with deen skin in background

I'm thinking about something with ddnet colors and some customized elements so it's not that bland

but PLS no orange

orange is awesome

this color is so ugly also in the logo

hater

You are the designman, you tell us. We are codeppl, eyes not very good

why does skins.tw logo look better than ddnet?

13:33

bcs it doesnt use this intense orange xD

Orange and blue works well on the light theme. On dark not so great, it gives a permanent halloween vibe

Jupstar ✪

why does skins.tw logo look better than ddnet?

ehh it looks a tiny bit botched to me. idk why

Jupstar ✪

why does skins.tw logo look better than ddnet?

Don’t they have a large text with yellow orange and brown

Voxel

ehh it looks a tiny bit botched to me. idk why

havent we once talked about other skins on the logo

13:34

that would give it some detail and not being so boring

have we? i dont remember

Learath2

Orange and blue works well on the light theme. On dark not so great, it gives a permanent halloween vibe

because the current ddnet.tw dark theme was literally meant as a halloween theme

Ravie

because the current ddnet.tw dark theme was literally meant as a halloween theme

Aha, that explains a lot

Voxel

have we? i dont remember

didnt u even make a sneakpeak?

if it had more blue and less orange I don't think it would feel like halloween

i would need to find it again

i like ddnets website (edited)

Tezcan

i like ddnets website (edited)

The current one?

Voxel

i would need to find it again

ok u made some cat https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/342454474117218334/965634025752494110 but rather looks like a joke

Learath2

The current one?

yeah

but still looks good imo xD

Jupstar ✪

ok u made some cat https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/342454474117218334/965634025752494110 but rather looks like a joke

oh yea that LOL

13:36

i did make a serious version too one sec (edited)

Tezcan

i like ddnets website (edited)

FBI

To be fair minus some padding issues and color choices it honestly doesn’t look too bad

13:36

It is quite unique in it’s design too

the homepage is quite nice, only the forum feels like 2005

Some more accenting with backing boxes and fixing stuff like the news header being on a block of it’s own for whatever reason would actually go a long way

looks a bit like a blank stare now that i look at it but i think it would be funny if you could change the logo tees in the settings

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i dunno, i am 100% a hater, but imo ddnet always looks so cheap The logo is mhh not bad but also doesnt look convincing website looks dated, but spacing as u said. misses cool functionality (e.g. easier filtering for maps etc) and colors(in dark design) are horrible

Voxel

looks a bit like a blank stare now that i look at it but i think it would be funny if you could change the logo tees in the settings

yeah that one is the one i meant actually

13:38

i could swear u posted it before

i think i did, but i forgot when

Jupstar ✪

this color is so ugly also in the logo

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Voxel

looks a bit like a blank stare now that i look at it but i think it would be funny if you could change the logo tees in the settings

You know what would be even funnier? If every time you opened the webpage you got a different logo

phpBB is still amazing if u ask me, modern forums are cluttered and just annoying to look through

x_logo skin

Jupstar ✪

i dunno, i am 100% a hater, but imo ddnet always looks so cheap The logo is mhh not bad but also doesnt look convincing website looks dated, but spacing as u said. misses cool functionality (e.g. easier filtering for maps etc) and colors(in dark design) are horrible

yeah could be better, but a redesign also feels out of place

13:40

the logo especially

Jupstar ✪

i dunno, i am 100% a hater, but imo ddnet always looks so cheap The logo is mhh not bad but also doesnt look convincing website looks dated, but spacing as u said. misses cool functionality (e.g. easier filtering for maps etc) and colors(in dark design) are horrible

My main complaint is the way we generate the site with python scripts

this convinces me more xDDD ok u cant compare ofc

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Jupstar ✪

this convinces me more xDDD ok u cant compare ofc

this looks like a cheap mobile game ngl

@Voxel draw us some photorealistic tees for the logo

Tezcan

phpBB is still amazing if u ask me, modern forums are cluttered and just annoying to look through

A modern skin over it might be nice, but honestly so little people use it that it really wouldn’t be worth spending time on it

Jupstar ✪

this convinces me more xDDD ok u cant compare ofc

noooo please no

csgo actually looks sick

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Ravie

@Voxel draw us some photorealistic tees for the logo

i dont think id want to do that

so simple yet powerful

Cs has a great logo yeah

13:42

Let’s steal it. @Voxel do your magic. Replace CT guy with tee

13:42

DDRace <insert-tee-silhouette> Network

LOL

13:43

yeah i WANTED to help redesign steam's advertizing a bit but everyone was like "nahh wait until new freeze ice cube is out"

xdd

13:43

tru

I think we are never getting an ice cube

:/

An ice cube that’d fit every skin just can’t be a static asset

id want it to be procedural

I did briefly experiment with procedurally generating a frozen skin for each skin, but I’m shit at art, so my procedural art is also shit

Can I see it?

I covered every non transparent piece of the tee with a hexagonal grid. But I just never figured out what the hell to draw onto the grid

13:46

So I just had hexagons with an opaque blue edge and a semi-transparent light blue inside for testing

Voxel

Can I see it?

I’m a little busy right now, but maybe in a week I can dig it up

What frozen ice cube tee are you guys talking about?

yeah no rush

I have a lot of branches just named “test[0-9]*”

Cipy29

What frozen ice cube tee are you guys talking about?

we're planning on inevitably replacing freeze ninja (edited)

Isn't there already an option to disable it

yeah but i mean replace replace.

Then you get a weaponless tee. Doesn’t look “frozen”

With what?

13:49

Draw an icecube over the tee when frozen?

yea

Learath2

I covered every non transparent piece of the tee with a hexagonal grid. But I just never figured out what the hell to draw onto the grid

ice is tetraedric crystals, maybe you can try with triangles ? Writing that, i realize that hexagones are just two triangles, so should work the same way

well i mean with this approach the base would look fine, but how would shading work? how to match the shine with the shape to have it not look flat?

Chairn

ice is tetraedric crystals, maybe you can try with triangles ? Writing that, i realize that hexagones are just two triangles, so should work the same way

what?

14:21

I am pretty sure you need at least 5 triangles

14:22

Idk actually

14:22

Definitely not 2

yup, im stupid

14:58

at least 3

14:59

3 if you share sides, 5 if you share vertex

mr design man has tried something, it's very rough obviously but kinda what I have in mind

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yeah i like the big logo with background

15:04

but that would only work on main page probs

it could display a random map there

definitely a lot more aesthetically pleasing

15:05

but the 2 link groups seem redundant

It's more modern

louis

but the 2 link groups seem redundant

needed filler text

15:06

it could be different stuff there

louis

but the 2 link groups seem redundant

where would you put the remaining links tho?

Ravie

mr design man has tried something, it's very rough obviously but kinda what I have in mind

can u do design for my website xDDDDDD

Ravie

mr design man has tried something, it's very rough obviously but kinda what I have in mind

i know its just some basic showcase Looking at it i'd say good: a top bar for the icons and download button and maybe the most important links is good the logo is cool, but only works on the main page, the front page video would be dropped, bcs both together won't work There would either still be a (left navigation => makes it uglier again) or (a dropdown navigation required => less practical to use)

yeah the logo with background is meant as a front page, it wouldn't be in other pages

and front page video doesnt matter? ^^ or could u imagine it looking good below itr

and left navigation thing is nice imo, it could be different tho

Ravie

and left navigation thing is nice imo, it could be different tho

but would it be left from the logo too? else it jumps around

15:29

when u switch pages

I put the video as just some random front page stuff, could be videos or news or anything else if needed

15:30

could also get rid of the left navigation thing and put everything on the top bar but that's messy

15:31

currently we have way too many links to pages to fit on top bar so something like the left menu is needed

content-wise, I would love to see a "about" page explaining a bit more what the game is bcs I found it quite confusing when I started playing

i think thats the wiki's purpose

15:39

no need to bloat the website

can anyone point me in the right direction to get this lua file? I already tried recompiling bam to no avail

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ddnet does not use bam anymore

16:39

since like 5 years

ok so the tutorial I found is just archaic xd

@Jupstar ✪

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Floms

ok so the tutorial I found is just archaic xd

just read the readme

Ravie

@Jupstar ✪

mhh, yeah I guess the topbar menu could work out, should test that out, especially in mobile where width is more of a problem than desktop, left navigation looks too bad compared to the topbar which looks much more modern but generally its not too far from my approach i'd say you save one layer in the container where the maps are, which i like, tho i use it to put all the filters (ofc the filters are currently a bit too much, need better sizing etc) But except the topbar menu, i'd not directly say it has more soul, would you? and if so, why exactly? The text under "Map releases" for example ofc sucks in my version, its what the current page uses i just copied pasted, that's defs in the range of change anyway (edited)

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can't go too crazy either or the website will look really out of place but I'm trying to make it not look like it came straight from some material template

16:54

little accents with ddnet colors etc give some soul

well i customized the colors indeed xD

16:55

the original colors where much darker

16:55

i used the ddnet dark design colors

16:55

well i have nothing against other colors

16:55

but orange on dark design, pls no

16:55

there is a reason google choose a light blue i guess xD

also mine takes elements from the old website

16:56

but only good elements xd

i mean the good thing about these ui frameworks is that you can customize the components itself

16:56

but u usually try not to invent more components, else redesigning gets harder

I never complained about the frameworks, only that almost all websites made with them feel the same

16:57

I'm unsure about the left menu now tho, something has to take space there for the whole website's height, otherwise it will look offcenter and bad

16:58

I put an empty rectangle there but if there's nothing to use that space then left menu needs to go

17:00

unless the left menu extends all the way down like in your screenshot

this actually doesn't feel too bad either

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17:09

maybe only the front page can have the left menu

yeah ofc, less menu is always nice, menu is also what i hate most about mine, but question is how practical that is

On the topic of ddnet.tw redesigns, here's what I made a few months ago. Project kinda abandoned as I kept running into problems. https://ddnet.qwikz.eu/ :)

the stuff inside the boxes can be better displayed too imo

Ravie

this actually doesn't feel too bad either

where dark theme

Jupstar ✪

yeah ofc, less menu is always nice, menu is also what i hate most about mine, but question is how practical that is

I think having the left menu below the big centered ddnet logo will make it not feel like the whole website shifted when you click a link

instead of difficulty: xxxoo points: 12 u can just have 5 stars

Ravie

I think having the left menu below the big centered ddnet logo will make it not feel like the whole website shifted when you click a link

can you explain, the sentence confuses me a bit, what exactly shifts?

if the left menu take up the whole website's height and then you go to a page with no left menu then it will feel like everything jumped to the left

furo

On the topic of ddnet.tw redesigns, here's what I made a few months ago. Project kinda abandoned as I kept running into problems. https://ddnet.qwikz.eu/ :)

how is it made, just out of interest?

Ravie

if the left menu take up the whole website's height and then you go to a page with no left menu then it will feel like everything jumped to the left

ah yeah, you are right

but if it's just a little rectangle below some big thing that is centered, it should feel ok

17:20

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17:21

so the left menu could just be like a front page hub thing

Ravie

so the left menu could just be like a front page hub thing

we use it for example in ranks too, would you go with an approach like @furo page then?

Jupstar ✪

how is it made, just out of interest?

NodeJS, nothing fancy. Dunno exactly what you want to know, but feel free to be more specific :D

is it pure typescript?

17:21

or a framework?

17:21

react?

17:21

JSX?

Server-side generated

but how did u code it

Nunjucks

ok never seen it ^^

in that case the ranks page could also have a little side menu

17:24

I don't like the idea of keeping every page just a big centered rectangle

17:26

I see on kiwq's ranks page a horizontal rectangle with filters on top but a lot of unused space to the right of Global ranks

Ravie

so the left menu could just be like a front page hub thing

i mean ok, that could defs work, only use the menu where its needed

yep it only feels weird with it disappearing if it takes up the entire left side of the screen

now the question is, is "status" and "ranks" not important enough for the topbar?

17:28

or just use icons?

contents in my mockups are debatable, it's more about the general layout and style

the problem is, adding 2 topbar items makes it ugly again

17:29

it looks good, bcs its pretty clean

I think an actual website would be wider than my mockups, the scale is a little weird

17:30

so you can probably fit one or two more things on the top bar, if not then something like skin database can go to left side menu cause it's not THAT important

mobile, small browser window

well true

17:31

possibly could have dropdowns on the top bar and group some related stuff

17:33

also Map releases -> Maps

yeah

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e0c90c2 live stream - def-

i had a dream last night where robyt had authority to change commit names, and he decided to change my Try return 0.0f as builf failsafe commit to just Try return 0.0f. and then for some reason he started hacking the entire PR LOL

some people do have "authority" to change your PRs

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8021ce7 Revert "live stream" - def-

Chairn

some people do have "authority" to change your PRs

does this include names of commits?

they can force push them

20:40

but its a visisble change

20:40

but i defs need ur dreams dude

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254d5ef Spooky frontpage video - def-

Jupstar ✪

but i defs need ur dreams dude

uh, what?

Jupstar ✪

but i defs need ur dreams dude

greenthing

20:44

anyways i think im done with animations PR unless anyone else has things 2 add

can you add the lion king animation when ifnishing in 2 tees team?

LOL

20:46

YES PLEASE brownbear

brownbear

Voxel

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rn i imagined this as your main tee throwing your dummy into killtiles on a dummy map's finish

Chairn

can you add the lion king animation when ifnishing in 2 tees team?

When fortnite dances in tw (edited)

Voxel

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blockers throwing people into spikes near bit2 finish:

kek

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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5808 Refactor editor sound selection popup using `CScrollRegion`, minor refactoring

Before: !sounds-popup old After: !sounds-popup new

Checklist

[X] Tested the change ingame
[X] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added ...

[ddnet:master] 3 new commits

833f690 Refactor editor sound selection popup using CScrollRegion - Robyt3 ff471b4 Minor refactoring: homogenise code structure of selection popups - Robyt3 52ab44a Merge #5808 - bors[bot]

21:37

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #5808 Refactor editor sound selection popup using `CScrollRegion`, minor refactoring

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