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damn, new tournament map from best mappers heartw

(edited)

IM SO EXCITED (edited)

WHY

#announcements

02:51

i love soapy + jimmy maps

oh

02:51

ic

was that not what u were expecting?

not at all

02:51

well

02:52

if u like their maps sure but i meant about the tournament xd

nah if i participated if get like

02:52

last place

maybe i should try with kristie

02:53

skeith will prob play with shinoa

02:54

unless tela wants to play

Not interested

.

02:55

USA is officially dead

02:55

that's the nail in the coffin

if skeith quits that's it

02:55

u don't even play anyway

I've basically never taken part in tournaments, let alone brutal tournies, I don't find brutal maps fun to play

o right

im looking for a partner troll

guaranteed win

No dummy

cyberFighter

no + ur lips are probably like a desert

You mean dessert right?

louis

im looking for a partner troll

guaranteed win

ask louis

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louis

im looking for a partner troll

guaranteed win

wait didn't you test the map? sign me up

4

is there a tournament?

On Sunday

brutal map right

08:46

and what is prize

Eternal fame

15

nice

bomba34

and what is prize

the prize is A DDRaceNetwork [holds out hand, revealing A DDRaceNetwork] (edited)

A+ tier DDRaceNetwork client

one with actually good prediction and lag management

one with hax

Btw, are there any TAS tools?

Skeith

I've basically never taken part in tournaments, let alone brutal tournies, I don't find brutal maps fun to play

So you prefer insane ones

hey, is there a way to show ping ingame?

Did you try to press Tab ingame

i want it perma

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cl_showpred 1 (edited)

11:33

in console

its different from the ping the tab show is it normal?

its more accurate

11:36

(that's your real ping) (edited)

ah thank you very much

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13:02

POV you find out they use Dyn-Cam

has anyone actually used dyn cam outside of fng

Jeryy

has anyone actually used dyn cam outside of fng

ictf

USA dead?

13:44

Steinchen

ictf

hated it

pilonpl

Btw, are there any TAS tools?

its my understanding that you arent allowed to share them as they can be used to cheat

Jeryy

has anyone actually used dyn cam outside of fng

I use dyncam all modes

funman

its my understanding that you arent allowed to share them as they can be used to cheat

Why would that be the case?

16:36

Other games have utility clients

16:39

I don't think cheating is illegal

3

On DDNet official servers all tools except official DDNet client (and other clients which don't have any advantages of course) are forbidden. (edited)

16:41

You can run whatever client you want on your private server, some people are doing TAS with that. But don't share the tools to prevent others from abusing them.

1

That's ok i think

You can try searching github

pilonpl

I don't think cheating is illegal

It depends on game probably

16:46

But distributing cheats definitely isn't illegal on its own

16:48

Modding games is legal (obviously) and cheats are mods

16:49

Mods often can be used for cheating even if that wasn't thier purpose

pilonpl

But distributing cheats definitely isn't illegal on its own

it is in some countries

A thing is only illegal (mostly) if you make the wrong people lose money

Yup

16:55

Piracy is also illegal in theory

16:56

And i am pretty sure everyone has done it lol

16:56

Even just minecraft

16:57

It's probably the most pirated game ever

Btw pirating games isn't really worth it because it's extremely easy to download a malware

@pilonpl

Distributing cheats can be illegal depending on where it is being distributed
Modding games can be illegal if the game maker has prohibited it

Well idk, it's probably a gray area

17:16

But

17:17

I don't think you can prohibit making mods if they don't use any original source code

if i were to make an entire client i would rather have it be: -artistically revamped where it looks just as good as a terraria mod or -extremely lightweight, where only NECCESARY items are kept in. no tee looks or animations, no quads

Mm

pilonpl

I don't think you can prohibit making mods if they don't use any original source code

That would make the most sense

funman

its my understanding that you arent allowed to share them as they can be used to cheat

ask @Headshot @Plant

guys where to find texture packs? I'm tired of running around in vanilla tee worlds

gerdoe

ask @Headshot @Plant

gertroll

headbot

trollencie

y'our'e

yr'oue*

u

moschirii

guys where to find texture packs? I'm tired of running around in vanilla tee worlds

Try https://skins.tw/

Teeskins: Teeworlds Skins Database

Welcome to Teeskins — the largest collection of community created Teeworlds Skins. Download, Upload and Share Skins, Mapres, Gameskins, Emoticons, Cursors, Particles, Entities, Fonts, Grids and useful tools.

gerdoe

ask @Headshot @Plant

ahaha funny go fuck yourself

8

4

17:47

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/295908390956433410/924004414811930704

hi guys!

5

18:27

im new

o/

Hi

murpi

Try https://skins.tw/

when ddrace asset database

Cellegen

when ddrace asset database

that would end ur career (edited)

algum br?

too offensive

18:55

i love @Headshot and @Plant especially

18:55

18:58

wasn't aip-gores tas a thing troll

18:58

ah there's no fudgy

I like aip gores

18:59

I thought it was impossible to complete it alone

18:59

When i was new to the game

pilonpl

When i was new to the game

did u see dat

19:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a64IHJ63WYk

Fudgy

Teeworlds : Aip-Gores TAS in 57.755

19:00

btw afair its just slowed server

I wonder if it is possible to create a script that automatically plays gores (edited)

yeah

Step 1 find a path to the finish

its a-star + that hookbot

Step 2 somehow follow that path

literally what i have said

19:03

some client had hookbot for gores

Fly hack with hooks lol

like u can just launch it and u will stay at pos x.y

19:04

with hookables placed around

19:04

btw it will be really slow

Crazy stuff

19:06

Neural networks could be interesting too

yeah

19:06

someone did it

And the results were probably very bad

19:07

Right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ6R6zFMhE4

Tim Schumacher

Teeworlds Machine Learning Project (TMLP) - Untrained network demo

Home made ai cant be good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTlTj--roIo

Soga - SolvingGames

AI LEARNS TO PLAY TEEWORLDS

pilonpl

Home made ai cant be good

ahah

19:08

u can btw

19:08

if u have enough gpus + machine learning skills + trillion demos

19:08

thats why we have no demo db troll

I have 10gb of demos

47 gb

19:09

its small amount tbh

Demos are big because of maps

im playing fng mostly troll

And?

19:10

Does it change anything?

yup

19:11

fng maps are very small

19:11

Modern problems require modern solutions i guess

We have more than 2TB of optimized player inputs

https://kandi.openweaver.com/c/fasterthanlime/teeworlds-ai#Community-Discussions

teeworlds-ai | An attempt to add bots to teeworlds0.5.1 ) | Machine...

teeworlds-ai

OPI

0.5.1

Btw are demos for wrs saved somewhere?

Learath2

We have more than 2TB of optimized player inputs

btw what about using teehistorian as demo format?

Wtf is teehistorian?

gerdoe

btw what about using teehistorian as demo format?

it needs a full server to be able to render out

pilonpl

Wtf is teehistorian?

teehistorian is a special format designed to compress well, we use it to store every input ever done on any ddnet server

19:14

The total archive is now larger than 2TB compressed

Interesting

Learath2

it needs a full server to be able to render out

full server?

2tb is extremely small actually

gerdoe

full server?

like you'd need the server executable to render the demo to something watchable, the client wouldn't be enough

pilonpl

2tb is extremely small actually

Small in context of what? It's already at a size where parsing through it is very very slow

Learath2

like you'd need the server executable to render the demo to something watchable, the client wouldn't be enough

ah

Learath2

Small in context of what? It's already at a size where parsing through it is very very slow

Its somewhat manageable

gerdoe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ6R6zFMhE4

3:50 LOL training mode 1 looks like your average dyn player

pilonpl

Its somewhat manageable

I mean barely, with a 1 gbit connection, it'd take 4 hours to copy. Parsing through just 3 months of it to get audit data takes almost an entire day with a 4 core cpu (edited)

Its at least possible to complete

19:20

That's great i guess

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26058312

albertzeyer

Soldat: a 2D (side-view) multiplayer action game

gerdoe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ6R6zFMhE4

its really fun to watch

19:24

thanks timakro <3

pilonpl

I don't think cheating is illegal

its not illegal but the problem is with a tas you can cheat on ddnet undetectable so ddnet admins prefer less people have access to these tools i assume

actually its quite detectable if person uses it too much

if they are smart

afaik top tier players use chots jsut cuz theyre lazy

there is no real way to tell

19:27

higher proof standards would be nice but maybe arent realistic

gerdoe

afaik top tier players use chots jsut cuz theyre lazy

like half of top gores players were caught using replay bot

funman

like half of top gores players were caught using replay bot

splendid

19:28

some ddrace top players use it too i think (edited)

gerdoe

some ddrace top players use it too i think (edited)

yeah

funman

its not illegal but the problem is with a tas you can cheat on ddnet undetectable so ddnet admins prefer less people have access to these tools i assume

Is it possible to just run a tas on a official server?

well there is the famous incident

pilonpl

Is it possible to just run a tas on a official server?

if u r smart enough

Wouldn't lags make it impossible?

pilonpl

Wouldn't lags make it impossible?

check "n9mkoik incident"

What

There probably are more im not really paying much attention but i assume there isnt enough proof

19:31

perhaps someone will find proof in the teehistorian data

gerdoe

check "n9mkoik incident"

I can't find any info about this lol

the same way trackmania player were caught

pilonpl

I can't find any info about this lol

he used replay bot for ranks

19:31

basically he made a run with a set of inputs

there are "detectives" in our community that stalk top players

Interesting

and replayed that run on an official server

So that is possible

pilonpl

So that is possible

common

There is no way to prevent cheating

pilonpl

There is no way to prevent cheating

yeah not without like video proof with handcam

Yup

19:34

You have to assume inputs are legit

19:34

There is no way to know if something was cheated

pilonpl

There is no way to know if something was cheated

yeah only if they do inhuman things

19:35

I suppose with teehistorian you can compare the inputs they can do in big groups vs the rank 1s they get alone

The problem with detecting inhuman things is that where is no clear boundary

see if there is a discrepancy

Also what even counts as cheating

well you cant pretend something a tas did was done by you

19:38

aimbot is apparently allowed if you abuse a sensitivity bug

funman

I suppose with teehistorian you can compare the inputs they can do in big groups vs the rank 1s they get alone

n9 was caught only cuz he tried tas run more than 1 time

19:38

same run twice

19:38

and got caught by admins

19:38

that looked through th

Ok, Inputing the same inputs twice isn't possible

replay bot

pilonpl

Also what even counts as cheating

Having a good mouse gives you an advantage too

19:40

Or hardware in general

pilonpl

Ok, Inputing the same inputs twice isn't possible

replay bot

I think any hardware is allowed as long as it doesnt automate anything

Why discuss this guys

19:41

You basically promoting cheats

19:41

Which is clearly against the rules

We are not promoting cheats

19:41

We are discussing cheats

19:41

That's different

Its more a discussion on the need for higher proof standards for runs

Oh shit, that exists in this game? does it

and to not trust that the top players are legit

its interesting if duo run possible with tas

ddrace is a w game

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funman

I think any hardware is allowed as long as it doesnt automate anything

I can make a Lego autoclicker, is that cheating?

pilonpl

I can make a Lego autoclicker, is that cheating?

Yeah as it automates something

19:43

Im not sure on all the rule since i dont play ddrace anyways

Is using a frictionless mouse wheel cheating?

as the admins

pilonpl

Is using a frictionless mouse wheel cheating?

no and i get your point

pilonpl

Is using a frictionless mouse wheel cheating?

If you bind it to hook and go to kog then yes

But why not, it does somewhat automate stuff

You still have to spin it

pilonpl

But why not, it does somewhat automate stuff

yeah it will ban you on kog

19:45

i spin

Which is the grey area

It's just hard to define what is cheating

nah its not

It is

if u cant do the same with simple ass mouse + simple ass keyboard = u choting

act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage

19:46

= cheating

gerdoe

if u cant do the same with simple ass mouse + simple ass keyboard = u choting

Thats a good definition buttt

19:46

Using additional mouse buttons is in fact cheating lol

its not

Lmao

pilonpl

Using additional mouse buttons is in fact cheating lol

no?

pilonpl

Using additional mouse buttons is in fact cheating lol

would they give u any advantage

19:47

among other players

unfair*

It's just another key that you can bind

it has to be an unfairly advantage

19:48

is using a full keyboard vs a tkl cheating?

Meekrioz

it has to be an unfairly advantage

which advantage is fair?

being gigachad and buying a mouse with more than 2-3 buttons is a fair advantage

19:49

everyone can do it

its not even advantage

it's not unfair nor dishonest (edited)

gerdoe

its not even advantage

it is, can you pseudofly, 3fly and simultaneously send me memes on discord? (edited)

19:50

looking at @Plant

Meekrioz

it is, can you pseudofly, 3fly and simultaneously send me memes on discord? (edited)

edited

shut

Meekrioz

looking at @Plant

he uses tas dumbass

Also what if you make an AI that playes a game just like a human would, is that cheating? Maybe you could consider AI a person

gerdoe

he uses tas dumbass

he uses binds dumbass

he said he uses tas troll

19:52

tools

pilonpl

Also what if you make an AI that playes a game just like a human would, is that cheating? Maybe you could consider AI a person

you can but you cant claim its runs as yours and ddnet may choose to ban it

Also using a dummy with a literal aimbot isn't cheating for some reason lol

gerdoe

Click to see attachment 🖼️

pilonpl

Also using a dummy with a literal aimbot isn't cheating for some reason lol

fr

It's not cheating because it's a client specifically for the server, the server has unique rules

Skeith

It's not cheating because it's a client specifically for the server, the server has unique rules

yeah

19:53

and dummy makes sense since playerbase is small

You'd get banned from noby's server for using dummy, for example

btw we can make optimizations for dummy players

im done with this convo, gerdoe being troll, pilon and funman making up absurd scenarios that will happen in 1000years, knuski is high, skeith a 5Head

Using a dummy gives you advantages as well as disadvantages

Plant donowalling

19:53

im done

like sending packets with "this character has copy moves on so let his dummy do things"

Meekrioz

im done with this convo, gerdoe being troll, pilon and funman making up absurd scenarios that will happen in 1000years, knuski is high, skeith a 5Head

what?

and server will do it at the same time player does

what are you talking about

Meekrioz

im done with this convo, gerdoe being troll, pilon and funman making up absurd scenarios that will happen in 1000years, knuski is high, skeith a 5Head

what

Meekrioz

im done with this convo, gerdoe being troll, pilon and funman making up absurd scenarios that will happen in 1000years, knuski is high, skeith a 5Head

pls tag that

Meekrioz

im done with this convo, gerdoe being troll, pilon and funman making up absurd scenarios that will happen in 1000years, knuski is high, skeith a 5Head

Then dont go to #dev

*trying to argue with 3 iq guy * *

meek you got offended by three messages or somewhat

going no where as always

Meekrioz

Click to see attachment 🖼️

im answering his question

trolling? you must be offended YEP

just stfu

not making it up

Plant

going no where as always

there is no arguing actually

19:55

funman just answers him

No, i am just asking fundamental questions about our existence in this stupid universe where no one can agree on what is cheating and what is not

something which maybe a discord mod should be doing thonk

i should answer your dumbass questions? OMEGADANCE

@pilonpl everyone knows except u

btw my messages about u are jokes so i don't even know why meek mentioned it

literally google "what's cheating"

19:56

it gives you quite a good answer

chad moderator fr fr

n000b

@pilonpl everyone knows except u

I agree with them, wdym?

What cheats are

use your brain and stop making up absurd scenarios where you could somehow get away with cheating

Who

Meekrioz

use your brain and stop making up absurd scenarios where you could somehow get away with cheating

he is nobo

"yea so if my cat activates the cheat, am i the cheater?" YEP

even if he will try to chot

19:57

he would be caught

Meekrioz

"yea so if my cat activates the cheat, am i the cheater?" YEP

no your cat is obv obv

nobo + chot = ban

19:58

^biggest chot

biggest zooz

Meekrioz

"yea so if my cat activates the cheat, am i the cheater?" YEP

its a trick question because why is there a cheat on your client in the first place

Voxel

its a trick question because why is there a cheat on your client in the first place

my cat downloaded it

19:58

Meekrioz

my cat downloaded it

uninstall it then troll

Voxel

uninstall it then troll

it's my cats pc

broke

Thank god animals can't play video games

People would argue if animals should be allowed or not

pilonpl

Thank god animals can't play video games

soon™️

In a billion years of evolution ™

Are cat girls animals?

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-videogame-video-games-woofer-mc-wooferson-champ-gif-14178290

20:01

no embeds?

are people animals?

murpi

Are cat girls animals?

depends on if they have independence of doing human things. can they use the toilet and flush it? can they make themselves food when they're hungry?

Jeryy

are people animals?

Yes

murpi

Are cat girls animals?

Everyone is an animal

20:02

Being an animal is hard

pilo you're such an animal

Thx, i am not a plant in fact

20:03

But i suspect some ddnet players might be

that would be false accusations

20:06

I know you can afk

20:06

But wtf

Starkiller has a 24h day

20:06

alot of ppl do actually

pilonpl

Thx, i am not a plant in fact

@Plant

Maybe i am addicted too

20:08

I play only addictive games

HELLO

20:12

allahınızı sıkıyım

quite the issue

Jeryy

quite the issue

Sus sen noname

@Discord Mod

20:14

they all joined last 5 minutes

Skeith

:feelsbadman:

20:16

Clyde BOT — Today at 11:15 PM This emoji doesn't work here because it's from a different server. Discord Nitro can solve all of that, check User Settings > Nitro for details

it does work without nitro

yapmya ya

20:16

yes

maybe some trigger would be safe for when 10+ people join the last few minutes ?

murpi

20:17

what is atatv44

i was just looking for lynn's leave in #join-leave when i saw all those guys going in

5

they all spamming

U

where is fng servers

fng sux

1

kog sux

Kog basically takes one feature of the game and based the entire server network on it

@funman

20:56

@funman

20:56

@funman

20:56

@funman

@Meekrioz act like i did nothing pls

20:56

no spam

Plant

@funman

why do i deserve this when i was the last person to tag you and only once

Plant

@Meekrioz act like i did nothing pls

whats up plant

where can i rep?

20:58

Absoliwit for brok? (edited)

you can report him for block in #reports

@Plant stop looking discord go aram

go haram

@Ryu

@bencie

trying

Meekrioz

go haram

no no keep it %100 halal

alhamdilulah

pilonpl

I know you can afk

https://ddnet.tw/players/Shinoa/

why is the color grading like that? from yellow to blue to red?

I couldn't come up with a better theme

21:36

See the colors in https://ddnet.tw/players-data/github_contribution.js

NovaShock

https://ddnet.tw/players/Shinoa/

Better link: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-web/blob/master/www/players-data/github_contribution.js#L233

ddnet-web/github_contribution.js at master · ddnet/ddnet-web

Static part of DDNet's website: https://ddnet.tw/. Contribute to ddnet/ddnet-web development by creating an account on GitHub.

deen

Better link: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-web/blob/master/www/players-data/github_contribution.js#L233

what exactly is this

The code that renders the play time graph for the last year on player page

oh i got it i was wondering if it's a different plug in without checking

adminnn

21:45

admin pls

state your problem

block

21:45

trol

and if its someone blocking just go #reports

21:45

ffs

@lynn u ok?

Rikka

@lynn u ok?

lynn isnt even in here

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pilonpl

But wtf

https://ddnet.tw/players/Shinoa/

22:08

23/24 hours a day

Souly

https://ddnet.tw/players/Shinoa/

how

22:11

record bot

yes

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