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ReiTW
I've seen someone in KoG discord mentioning coloured names for servers, could be cool tho
fokkonaut 2022-08-30 07:32:44Z
Probably very distracting. I like the current, clean look of the server browsers, where only important things are colored, such as gametypes or ping
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pilonpl 2022-08-30 08:22:27Z
It's 2022 not 2002
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fokkonaut 2022-08-30 08:25:41Z
Should every entry on google should have the possibility to color their entry in any color they want just because its 2022?
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Anime.pdf 2022-08-30 08:27:11Z
2022, time to have lgbtq vegan furry gender flags on your screen in every fucking app
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fokkonaut
Should every entry on google should have the possibility to color their entry in any color they want just because its 2022?
Voxel 2022-08-30 08:27:37Z
advertized links become rainbow greenthing
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fokkonaut 2022-08-30 08:28:10Z
justatest
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Voxel 2022-08-30 08:28:33Z
fr tho colored names might take attention away from gameplay, which is not good in this game
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fokkonaut 2022-08-30 08:29:00Z
They are talking about server names
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Anime.pdf 2022-08-30 08:29:40Z
Oh, server names. Server list will be a complete mess, like in trackmania nations
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fokkonaut
They are talking about server names
Voxel 2022-08-30 08:30:30Z
oh i misread.
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fokkonaut 2022-08-30 08:30:39Z
Me too
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Anime.pdf 2022-08-30 08:30:40Z
feelsscary
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fokkonaut 2022-08-30 08:30:41Z
at first
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Voxel
oh i misread.
fokkonaut 2022-08-30 08:31:32Z
I did rainbow playername tho
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Latest thing I coded
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Voxel 2022-08-30 08:32:06Z
i saw, which is why i got confused xd
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fokkonaut 2022-08-30 08:32:09Z
Same xd
08:32
Its very complex due to the way the client uses the team information :(
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but i think i made quite a good algorithm for it now
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fokkonaut
Its very complex due to the way the client uses the team information :(
fokkonaut 2022-08-30 08:33:01Z
and cuz the way its sent
08:33
Its more than obvious that this shouldnt be done with teams haha
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Voxel 2022-08-30 08:33:33Z
about the ui, the visual style is very clean and i dont think it should change much. given the actual content should change, i wouldnt edit the styling
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fokkonaut
Probably very distracting. I like the current, clean look of the server browsers, where only important things are colored, such as gametypes or ping
fokkonaut 2022-08-30 08:33:52Z
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GitHub BOT 2022-08-30 09:29:47Z
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[ddnet:master] 3 new commits
c479230 Use new ddnet.org domain - def- 91bc21c No need for lengthy semaphore names on macOS, pointer address is enough - def- 8526d50 Merge #5312 - bors[bot]
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #5312 Use new ddnet.org domain
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ReiTW 2022-08-30 10:25:14Z
@Anime.pdf better
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Fatih Asan 2022-08-30 10:52:15Z
Hi; Does anyone know the solution to this problem?
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Fatih Asan
Hi; Does anyone know the solution to this problem?
nekorul 2022-08-30 10:55:08Z
https://canary.discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/745926398140612678/1012742058173272125
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ReiTW
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deen 2022-08-30 11:24:50Z
Brings me back to my teenage years. πŸ˜„
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deen
Brings me back to my teenage years. πŸ˜„
ReiTW 2022-08-30 11:25:55Z
still playable today, but lots of bots
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GitHub BOT 2022-08-30 11:26:40Z
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Robyt3
[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #5790 Binding to mouse wheel up/down makes the controls scroll as well
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Robyt3
[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #5791 Smooth scrolling for all scrollregions
Port CListBox from upstream and use it instead of UiDoListbox.
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feelsscary
Learath2 2022-08-30 11:39:29Z
Omg I want this for ddnet rn
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Fatih Asan
Hi; Does anyone know the solution to this problem?
Voxel 2022-08-30 11:44:09Z
Well, you're in the dev channel. If you can program or find a way to fix this, let us know!
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ΠΈ Ρ‡ΠΎ 2022-08-30 11:58:24Z
Looks like UPD is being filtered what is this?
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Learath2 2022-08-30 11:58:55Z
Huh, bizarre, an ipv6 server in the wild?
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Voxel 2022-08-30 12:00:50Z
Might be one of those chinese InfClass servers, not sure
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deen 2022-08-30 12:05:23Z
do you even have ipv6? my isp doesn't provide it for example
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Learath2 2022-08-30 12:09:35Z
Mine neither. I wonder how we even handle that
12:10
Maybe we should try to contact an ipv6 server at the very start to determine if we even have ipv6 connectivity
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 13:01:38Z
I have it but tunnelled ipv4 has major lags and i don't get both
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So i disabled it ^^
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Too bad tw still stuck at ipv4 xd
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Cellegen 2022-08-30 13:30:49Z
when the chinese are trying to get their own servers restricted to only chinese
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thonk
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fokkonaut 2022-08-30 13:32:11Z
would at least fix their ddos
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Cellegen 2022-08-30 13:35:50Z
true, from now on restrict rus servers to only russian and filter russian ips from other servers
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kekw
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that would 100% solve it, since most of the ddosers are russian
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or polish
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fokkonaut 2022-08-30 13:36:24Z
think_bot
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GitHub BOT 2022-08-30 14:16:10Z
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[ddnet-scripts:master] 1 new commit
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GitHub BOT 2022-08-30 15:03:05Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #5792 Why do i get "No answer from server yet." when i am banned? Wasnt it "Banned until 2022-08-..blablabla" before?
Reported by Vy0x2:
Why do i get "No answer from server yet." when i am banned? Wasnt it "Banned until 2022-08-..blablabla" before?
@heinrich5991 Are we maybe doing the "no answer" too early?
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c0d3d3v 2022-08-30 15:45:48Z
Does someone know how to contact LordSk? Is he on discord? (edited)
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 15:51:06Z
tag him in github
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Jupstar βœͺ
tag him in github
c0d3d3v 2022-08-30 16:00:10Z
found him on teeworlds discord πŸ˜‰
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Ryozuki 2022-08-30 16:37:14Z
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Ryozuki 2022-08-30 16:37:41Z
Rust monkalaugh
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ReiTW
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gerdoe 2022-08-30 16:42:54Z
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louis 2022-08-30 16:43:21Z
idk windows 11 ui kinda nice ngl
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Ravie 2022-08-30 16:44:12Z
it looks like any generic modern app
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louis 2022-08-30 16:44:36Z
which looks nice
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i mean its the best default ui by far imo
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Ravie 2022-08-30 16:45:00Z
it's not nice
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louis 2022-08-30 16:45:11Z
its
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Ravie 2022-08-30 16:45:19Z
rounded corners everywhere like some electron crap
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louis 2022-08-30 16:45:38Z
i think rounded looks nice
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Ravie 2022-08-30 16:46:08Z
win10 far better
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louis
idk windows 11 ui kinda nice ngl
murpi 2022-08-30 16:47:37Z
you can tell it was designed by a graphic designer and not a HUD designer, but they have made things alot harder to use
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Ravie 2022-08-30 16:47:47Z
when they discontinue 10 I'm gonna have to use penguin os
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louis 2022-08-30 16:48:04Z
oh yeah i heard lots of buttons are hidden beside more> menus
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murpi
you can tell it was designed by a graphic designer and not a HUD designer, but they have made things alot harder to use
Ravie 2022-08-30 16:48:34Z
should have hired me, I do both
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murpi 2022-08-30 16:48:41Z
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 17:03:09Z
100% trigger
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Ravie
rounded corners everywhere like some electron crap
Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 17:25:47Z
but its so ez to create awesome gui with all the javascript frameworks
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took me like 20 minutes to create a pretty good map releases filter in react
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i wish it could be so ez with c++
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Jupstar βœͺ
but its so ez to create awesome gui with all the javascript frameworks
Ravie 2022-08-30 17:28:28Z
can't tell if you're joking or not
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 17:28:37Z
im not
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gimme a second
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i show u
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Ravie 2022-08-30 17:29:15Z
maybe it's just me but I hate this look where literally everything is rounded and flashing and popping up for no reason
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 17:29:29Z
i'd say depends on the framework u use
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i used MUI which implementents googles material UI
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Ravie
maybe it's just me but I hate this look where literally everything is rounded and flashing and popping up for no reason
Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 17:32:26Z
https://aliveclan.de/releases note: i am not saying it looks good, but for like 20 minutes work its better than anything we have in the client
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Ravie 2022-08-30 17:34:16Z
well it has this same look and feel as everything else nowadays
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 17:34:32Z
and where is your problem with it?
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show me anything comparable in the client
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in fact it has less "roundings" than our ugly client GUI
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which has rounding next to other roundings
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Jupstar βœͺ
https://aliveclan.de/releases note: i am not saying it looks good, but for like 20 minutes work its better than anything we have in the client
gerdoe 2022-08-30 17:35:26Z
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 17:35:28Z
looks like total crap compared to this
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Ravie 2022-08-30 17:35:30Z
well I think I've said this before but the client has its own soul and that at least makes it stand out
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gerdoe 2022-08-30 17:35:31Z
very nice
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Ravie 2022-08-30 17:36:18Z
and exaggerated roundings are okay in a game about jumping balls, but on websites it just looks stupid
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 17:36:36Z
i'd say the page above has not too many roundings
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it looks cleaner than our current website
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Ravie 2022-08-30 17:37:54Z
well the current website does look very dated but going with the most generic thing possible is not the only way to make it more modern
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 17:38:30Z
well if we have some google designers laying around doing awesome css effects for us
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i can live with a custom solution
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Ravie 2022-08-30 17:38:47Z
I think we're moving towards all apps and websites being standardized to all look the goddamn same
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 17:40:28Z
well tho there is an insane amount time required to do this: just look at the frameworks i used: react - facebook mui - implements googles ui nextjs - twitch recoil - facebook that's like sillicon valleys biggest players (edited)
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they also use these frameworks so they are pretty stable and well thought through
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i am not saying javascript is the best shit, but i'd say the GUI frameworks for javascript are unbeatable and the themes are built around these frameworks
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so yeah, u kinda have to live with similar looking stuff
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Voxel 2022-08-30 17:42:24Z
whats the point of standing out and being urself then
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Ravie 2022-08-30 17:42:43Z
I'm sure you can make something better with oldschool methods if you just keep it tasteful
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doesn't have to be complex at all
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Ravie
I'm sure you can make something better with oldschool methods if you just keep it tasteful
Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 17:43:08Z
nope
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u never used react so you dont understand why it changes the game
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there is no framework similar
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Ravie 2022-08-30 17:43:39Z
but you simply don't need all this
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 17:44:28Z
as said i built it in 20 minutes
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bcs react is built to make this simply
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Ravie 2022-08-30 17:44:50Z
yeah that's what it's good for
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but when you see a program from a large company, even something like windows 11 and it has this same stank xD
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Jupstar βœͺ
there is no framework similar
Learath2 2022-08-30 18:21:35Z
Vue is pretty similar. I also saw some lightweight alternatives to React more suited for weaker devices. Either way I find the virtual DOM approach just another bandaid to the way web has to keep full backwards compatibility for decades
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Learath2
Vue is pretty similar. I also saw some lightweight alternatives to React more suited for weaker devices. Either way I find the virtual DOM approach just another bandaid to the way web has to keep full backwards compatibility for decades
Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 18:22:05Z
but the optimizer prerenders, so you get a static html on first load
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Learath2 2022-08-30 18:22:33Z
But yes, angular, vue and react are your best bets if you are building a site now. Making something without any of them is just way too much work
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Jupstar βœͺ
but the optimizer prerenders, so you get a static html on first load
Learath2 2022-08-30 18:23:02Z
Which is another bandaid on the bandaid. The entire modern web is a massive ball of bandaid πŸ˜„
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 18:23:12Z
^^
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Learath2 2022-08-30 18:23:50Z
It might just be that CSS+HTML has just become way too powerful. The flexibility just causes way too much complexity
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 18:23:52Z
but yeah, it's really about development speed: nodejs + react triggers hot replacements so i never have to reload the page at all
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i instantly see all changes
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imagine the same with c++... even with smth like jet-live which is similar to hot replacement its still slow
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Learath2 2022-08-30 18:24:35Z
Yeah, without a framework you need to mess around with webpack to get a hot reloading setup
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Jupstar βœͺ
imagine the same with c++... even with smth like jet-live which is similar to hot replacement its still slow
Learath2 2022-08-30 18:25:01Z
The best implementation c++ of hot reload I know is unreal engine and that is sluggish as hell
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Of c++ hot reload*
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 18:25:30Z
a c++ script language would be nice.. then i can compile for release
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use script in debug ^^
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i also would buy a NASA pc for that
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Learath2 2022-08-30 18:26:43Z
Hm, I don't know if C++ is interpretable without some extra rules
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 18:26:59Z
i'd accept a certain amount of extra rules πŸ˜„
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Learath2 2022-08-30 18:27:02Z
Maybe a single TU limit and no forward declarations
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 18:27:18Z
and if u do smth game breaking restarting is ofc ok
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but ddnet UI for example would be ez with jet-live
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u can just recompile and it works bcs our ui has almost no state
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Learath2 2022-08-30 18:28:54Z
Honestly in our codebase hot reload isn't even my biggest issue. Our code compiles quick enough that I dont lose focus
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The bigger issue is that it's not standardized at all
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I keep having to alternate between coder and designer mode, which is really taxing on the brain
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 18:29:45Z
well anyway, my point is really about making good, ez UI and imagine you could search like on my website above and vote a map like that
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would be really cool πŸ˜„
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Ryozuki 2022-08-30 18:30:10Z
i like my clan website
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https://uniqueclan.net/
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i wonder who made it
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Jupstar βœͺ
well anyway, my point is really about making good, ez UI and imagine you could search like on my website above and vote a map like that
Learath2 2022-08-30 18:30:35Z
I was willing to make that happen but I think other devs didnt want me to do it out of band
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Learath2
But yes, angular, vue and react are your best bets if you are building a site now. Making something without any of them is just way too much work
Ryozuki 2022-08-30 18:31:02Z
there is a new kid in the school
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its called svelte
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https://svelte.dev/
Svelte
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Learath2 2022-08-30 18:31:38Z
Some component hierarchy, some event bubbling, some standardization of ui components would go such a long way
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Ryozuki 2022-08-30 18:31:49Z
Svelte is a radical new approach to building user interfaces. Whereas traditional frameworks like React and Vue do the bulk of their work in the browser, Svelte shifts that work into a compile step that happens when you build your app.
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Instead of using techniques like virtual DOM diffing, Svelte writes code that surgically updates the DOM when the state of your app changes.
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Learath2 2022-08-30 18:33:01Z
Like e.g. I want a component to be "cached", I have to look at containers and stuff for like 50 minutes. This could probably be transparent to the designer if done well
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Ryozuki 2022-08-30 18:33:41Z
this also exists https://github.com/pintariching/rustle
GitHub - pintariching/rustle: Svelte compiler rewritten in Rust
Svelte compiler rewritten in Rust. Contribute to pintariching/rustle development by creating an account on GitHub.
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Ryozuki
Svelte is a radical new approach to building user interfaces. Whereas traditional frameworks like React and Vue do the bulk of their work in the browser, Svelte shifts that work into a compile step that happens when you build your app.
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Instead of using techniques like virtual DOM diffing, Svelte writes code that surgically updates the DOM when the state of your app changes.
Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 18:34:59Z
i cannot judge but before some bigger company used it idc xDD
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depends on how well it scales
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Jupstar βœͺ
i cannot judge but before some bigger company used it idc xDD
Ryozuki 2022-08-30 18:35:07Z
its way way faster
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than reactjs
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cuz it does the work at compile time xD
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Jupstar βœͺ
i cannot judge but before some bigger company used it idc xDD
Ryozuki 2022-08-30 18:36:00Z
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Ryozuki
cuz it does the work at compile time xD
Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 18:37:14Z
but nextjs does that too
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it renders the first render and makes it a html file
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Ryozuki 2022-08-30 18:37:30Z
no
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nextjs uses react
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btw svelte can only be compared to reactjs
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you could say that svelte already does pre rendering by how it works
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sveltekit is what you compare to nextjs
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look at how svelte works :p
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Ryozuki
cuz it does the work at compile time xD
Learath2 2022-08-30 18:39:40Z
What work? Does it figure out the chain of updates required at compile time to create optimized routines or sth?
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Ryozuki 2022-08-30 18:39:49Z
yeah
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it doesnt use a virtual dom
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Learath2 2022-08-30 18:40:20Z
Now that sounds impressive. I'll take a look
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Ryozuki 2022-08-30 18:40:51Z
it uses a custom jsish syntax
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Learath2 2022-08-30 18:40:55Z
That 1.6 kb bundle size is sexy too
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Ryozuki 2022-08-30 18:41:14Z
https://svelte.dev/tutorial/basics
Svelte tutorial
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a interactive tutorial
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brb food
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Ryozuki
nextjs uses react
Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 18:42:44Z
but not at first render? else i understand https://nextjs.org/docs/advanced-features/static-html-export incorrectly it uses javascript as soon as you e.g. fetching data or change site etc.
Advanced Features: Static HTML Export | Next.js
Export your Next.js app to static HTML, and run it standalone without the need of a Node.js server.
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Learath2 2022-08-30 18:42:48Z
No state management libraries is also hot
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I might give Svelte a go for my next project
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Jupstar βœͺ
but not at first render? else i understand https://nextjs.org/docs/advanced-features/static-html-export incorrectly it uses javascript as soon as you e.g. fetching data or change site etc.
Ryozuki 2022-08-30 18:53:06Z
its called hydration
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well
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server side rendering
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 18:53:48Z
anyway, its normally that newer libs are better in smth
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but it probs doesnt have such a huge community behind it
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Ryozuki 2022-08-30 18:54:12Z
svelte can do SSR too iirc
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SvelteKit
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 18:54:41Z
if it gets as good as react i have nothing against it tho ^^
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Ryozuki 2022-08-30 18:54:49Z
svelte is definitly getting traction
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i see it here and there in hn
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but its normal
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 18:55:04Z
tbh i dont really care about javascript anyway, i want smth like react in c++
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Ryozuki 2022-08-30 18:55:11Z
4 years ago reactjs was the sme
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Jupstar βœͺ
tbh i dont really care about javascript anyway, i want smth like react in c++
Ryozuki 2022-08-30 18:55:23Z
same!
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this will be possible
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when wasm matures
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and doesnt need to call js to manipulate the dom
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with rust having wasm as first class its even better
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https://yew.rs/
What is Yew? | Yew
Yew is a modern Rust framework for creating multi-threaded
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look at this
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 18:56:07Z
nice
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i wonder if there will be smth like a electron wasm edition
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Ryozuki 2022-08-30 18:56:18Z
web assembly is the future
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 18:56:19Z
that would be dope
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Ryozuki 2022-08-30 18:56:23Z
the only way to make js die
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forever
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and finally
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 18:56:28Z
all javascript gone, makes it much smaller probs
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Ryozuki 2022-08-30 18:56:49Z
and wasm can be probs optimized easier
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its assembly after all
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i found this today on hn
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was kind of a good readm
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http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
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not hacker as in script kiddy but programmer
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the word surely lost a lot of meaningg today
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i think its a good article for aspiring programmers
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@Voxel bluekitty
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Voxel 2022-08-30 19:00:07Z
whats up
19:05
interesting article
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:16:43Z
https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/342454474117218334/857096842914693141
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https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/293493549758939136/869744342456225833
19:17
https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/293493549758939136/1012208265020584046 assets
19:17
troll server
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:18:30Z
https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/293493549758939136/419828717666304000 https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/293493549758939136/958826905660964968
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:18:33Z
if someone says "GitHub discussions" please ban me from this server
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:18:53Z
learath said it in 2018 already and it was talked about before for sure ^^
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Voxel 2022-08-30 19:18:56Z
github discussi
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what does lazy loading mean anyways
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:19:43Z
u load as soon as u need
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rn it loads all at client start
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:19:58Z
all that im saying is that it was agreed with because someone who said it has a green name.
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the other times my comment was reframed, ignored, and then you can see the third time i tried to change my question to be about all assets
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Learath2 2022-08-30 19:20:46Z
It was agreed with way before I proposed it πŸ˜„
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:20:51Z
yes xD
19:21
well lynn its not about the idea
19:21
its about someone doing it
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:21:09Z
im not saying whether or not you agree with the idea
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:21:09Z
how about u do it?
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:21:12Z
but what was said
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Learath2 2022-08-30 19:21:19Z
I think eeeee was the first one to implement it in teewebs, since then I think everyone wanted it
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Jupstar βœͺ
how about u do it?
lynn 2022-08-30 19:21:21Z
oh god this again
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:21:31Z
well what do u expect?
19:21
ask robyte or codedev, they currently the most active devs
19:22
i am currently doing some web dev, bcs i need some off time of client stuff
19:22
i only fix bugs
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:23:06Z
im just bitching about how im frequently ignored or discounted as a new player or a troll and i was already sick of it but i just see patterns still xD
19:23
it has nothing to do with "is lazyloading a good idea"
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:23:38Z
bro srsly, u doin drama rn most ppl dont even understand it
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:23:41Z
you also don't know my experience with being a moderator
19:23
ye ok nvm
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:23:59Z
just do it, pr it it gets merged
19:24
discussion over
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:24:04Z
not the point
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:24:16Z
well most ppl are assholes, never noticed it before?
19:24
then i tell ya now
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:24:44Z
people are disproportionately assholeish to certain people. so much fuckin bias in this community xD
19:25
you tell me "do it"
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:25:09Z
just change ur mind, do what u think is best, show others that u are doing it better
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:25:13Z
I've done shit in the past and no one cares
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n000b 2022-08-30 19:25:30Z
I remember a discussion with lynn which didn't end well for me and i didn't know what i did wrong. So my advice is to leave jupstarjustatest
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:25:32Z
maybe u want too much attention
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Jupstar βœͺ
just change ur mind, do what u think is best, show others that u are doing it better
lynn 2022-08-30 19:25:32Z
tried
19:25
nooob is a racist or something i don't remember the conversation
19:26
ignore that
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:26:16Z
he cant beat me over internet i really give a fuck xD maybe if he's my best friend
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:27:19Z
oh convenient that it's in a server i left
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:27:34Z
ok anyway, pls do it in #off-topic thanks
19:28
only political drama and nuclear fission drama in dev channel, no personal drama xD
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Voxel 2022-08-30 19:28:29Z
on the topic of something dev related i want to make proper ddnet dev tools that will aid for very niche things, like tee animations or automapper generators
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:28:43Z
actual problem with the community != personal drama imo
19:29
it doesn't belong here anyway but idc
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gerdoe 2022-08-30 19:29:56Z
lynn, everything what u say or me saying or someone else saying into the void will not be implemented until u will not try to implement it
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:30:32Z
ive wasted my time before, im sure if i at least coded something it could be PRed
19:30
i don't know cpp
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gerdoe 2022-08-30 19:30:35Z
its actually disrespectful asking devs to implement something
19:30
especially when u forcing it
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:30:42Z
im not asking devs xD
19:30
what
19:30
ya you are clearly not understanding at all
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gerdoe 2022-08-30 19:30:57Z
then what the topic of ur lil drama here
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:31:05Z
πŸ™„
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i said the same thing learath said and then someone was like oh yes we should do that
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because i am frequently ignored
19:31
people are sick of me
19:31
they wish i would leave (edited)
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:31:50Z
i mean murpi litteraly said that downloaded skins is basically that
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lynn
i said the same thing learath said and then someone was like oh yes we should do that
gerdoe 2022-08-30 19:31:58Z
thats what i said u rn
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:32:02Z
also learaths statement was right after a client crash
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ofc another dev more likely says "oh yeah we should"
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gerdoe
thats what i said u rn
lynn 2022-08-30 19:32:25Z
no you said im forcing devs to do something
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:32:37Z
ok u clearly out for drama rn
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Voxel 2022-08-30 19:32:41Z
i think with the current setup of ddnet's coding its hard to actually make any real improvements
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:32:54Z
jupey you don't even understand how often this happens
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:32:59Z
dont take him literaly xD
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lynn
no you said im forcing devs to do something
gerdoe 2022-08-30 19:33:06Z
wtf, they will agree if they want to
19:33
theyre all humans
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if they didnt respond u or something then what
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:34:20Z
i think (in total) the changes ive been able to contribute was the idea of USA2 and official DDNet xPanic servers but that is under an iceberg of stuff that has been ignored
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:34:29Z
sometimes i even dont respond bcs it feels "too forced" e.g. if deen posts some nice stat or smth
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:34:34Z
i have about 30k messages in this server
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:34:38Z
its weird if everybody would be like OH YEAH NICE xD
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:34:51Z
all of mine were questions
19:34
same timing as recent skin changes
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it was most convenient time for anyone to say "oh yeah"
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Voxel 2022-08-30 19:35:16Z
i think if you want something to be changed you are accountable for learning how to make that change yourself
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:35:19Z
anyway, now u have ur answer, so better late than never i guess, even if it was not answered to you directly
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its weird if everybody would be like OH YEAH NICE xD
gerdoe 2022-08-30 19:35:54Z
yeaah
19:35
same
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n000b 2022-08-30 19:36:16Z
Time management in developing a free game is always the main problem
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gerdoe 2022-08-30 19:37:05Z
i gave up doing things for ddnet cuz a) someone does it really faster then me b) they do it 100 times better than me xd
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now i can only asking for features and asking for opinions
19:37
than*
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Voxel 2022-08-30 19:39:14Z
i still have motivation to do things, because they're like really really niche ideas that none of the devs want to have the time to make like; what if tees had a run animation for when they go fast enough? what if they sat down when they were afk, or standing on a certain entity block? how can we improve the demo ui where it becomes more readable? how can we make the tees custom colors less... ugly?
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gerdoe 2022-08-30 19:39:51Z
uhm last one is super niche idea that will not appear in ddnet
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:40:13Z
voxel i am happy that you have a better track record of people listening to you, it is just unfortunate that there is a disparity xD
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that was my whole point and now i rq
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voxel i am happy that you have a better track record of people listening to you, it is just unfortunate that there is a disparity xD
Voxel 2022-08-30 19:40:29Z
lynn barely anyone listens to me
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:40:40Z
you already got a change in ddnet
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gerdoe 2022-08-30 19:40:45Z
he did it himself
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nobo
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:40:52Z
you're newer in the community than me
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:41:05Z
voxel does alot himself actually
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all his drawings, the SVG stuff
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:41:20Z
no one knows what i tried to do is the problem xD
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:41:23Z
ofc its easier like that
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Voxel 2022-08-30 19:41:27Z
hell i had an entire pitch deleted out of #showroom becuase murpi thought it was irrelevant LOL
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:41:27Z
so this conversation is really easy for you
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:41:30Z
ok
19:41
wait
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how about this: You contribute smth and in the same line you ask a question... then u probs wont get ignored πŸ˜„
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Voxel
hell i had an entire pitch deleted out of #showroom becuase murpi thought it was irrelevant LOL
gerdoe 2022-08-30 19:41:52Z
troll
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:42:25Z
maybe voxel is less ignored bcs he also changes stuff
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:42:27Z
I've wasted too much time already, if I actually knew C++ it may be accepted but you're a dev and don't see other sides of the game
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you are putting this too much in dev context
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Voxel 2022-08-30 19:42:39Z
i know little to no c++ LMFAO
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:42:46Z
if ravie would tell me i draw everything u want in the next 3 weeks, i'd listen to him much more closly ofc
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bcs he'd basically be a working partner in that time
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:44:01Z
I have tried both ways. Doing stuff without explicit approval and ending up wasting my time later and instead asking about the idea, fully explaining it, and people tell me "ok but you didn't finish it so i don't have an answer for you"
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it's a double standard
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:44:24Z
well what exactly is wasted times anyway?
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:44:28Z
well
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i don't have access to mod chat anymore
19:44
i can't really count the hours
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:44:52Z
maybe u are simply overloading ppl?
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:44:57Z
@.@
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:45:01Z
not like we sitting here and reading every single message
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:45:02Z
i rq
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enjoy game
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no jupey
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:45:12Z
i muted all channels except question and bugs
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:45:14Z
you just do not understand
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:45:33Z
i think ur problem is simply that you overestimate this community
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:45:34Z
you don't understand full context + scope + amount of messages + amount of ideas
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:45:37Z
most ppl just want to play
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and most devs already have lots of ideas
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even without your ideas, even if they are great
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as soon as they respond they are also kinda into the topic
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:46:04Z
i am very practical about my estimation of this community, but people rather do other things with their tike
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time
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Voxel 2022-08-30 19:46:18Z
lynn i LOVE your ideas and tbh id try to impliment it if i knew how
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:46:31Z
you would be wasting your time
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it's already tagged internally as a "Lynn" idea xD
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Voxel 2022-08-30 19:46:50Z
??? whats the sudden change in tone
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:46:50Z
so it will get f4
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gerdoe 2022-08-30 19:46:56Z
nope
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Voxel 2022-08-30 19:47:14Z
lynn there is no bias here
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at least i dont think so (edited)
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:47:19Z
I've already talked about it
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the only person who would be able to explain is Skeith
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:47:56Z
i also think you are imaginating it a bit, there probs is some biased group around in the community, but that doesnt mean that all ppl are. For most ppl its really about time
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:48:02Z
what i said was a joke btw
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but it does feel that way
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ReiTW 2022-08-30 19:48:17Z
HUHH
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:48:28Z
someone doing bookkeeping behind the scenes like "oo lynn is typing again"
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gerdoe 2022-08-30 19:49:05Z
lynn u have such good imagination
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not only for a game but i for this channel too
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:49:39Z
well anyway if you cant provide evidence of what exact situation you are annoyed abbout, i have to ignore you, bcs its drama rn If you get ignored in some mod channel than i bet its simply bcs lots of ideas = lots of work = less time
19:49
that simple
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:49:44Z
anyways i love this game more than anyone ever realizes but it's exactly for that reason why i feel like i can't be a part of the community. it's too bittersweet from my past and honestly my life might be better if i just stop talking
19:49
i love this game probably more than half the staff
19:50
it doesn't matter
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:50:17Z
half of the staff probs contributed more than just ideas
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and thats usually work
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just accept it
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:50:39Z
i guess how heated people are contesting even something simple like being ignored is a final nail for me
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all I said is that I felt ignored. and everyone is making up other argumebta
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arguments
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someone doing bookkeeping behind the scenes like "oo lynn is typing again"
Voxel 2022-08-30 19:51:04Z
i hate that type of anxiety. i feel that every time i make a pr, the sigh of a dozen developers every time i dont clang format
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idk it might be a different point but
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n000b 2022-08-30 19:51:32Z
Staff is always the one making the mistakes. Hard life being staff
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idk it might be a different point but
Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:51:52Z
but deen always says he gleadly does that for any contributor
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u just have to ask him ofc
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he knows that not everyone uses linux and knows tools like clang-format
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gerdoe 2022-08-30 19:53:05Z
yeah my pr also got clang formatted by deen afair
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Voxel 2022-08-30 19:53:38Z
thing is, i have a tool on VSCode that helps with clang format so it's turning out a bit better in that sense
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ReiTW 2022-08-30 19:53:50Z
the one I told u?
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lynn 2022-08-30 19:54:21Z
okay but i am serious though, i just got a job recently for anyone who cares (i guess you can reference this message as my last) and probably doing more irl stuff. my past is littered with times I've tried to help the community or do something specific and it's either ignored, reframed into a new conversation, or downright rejected. i have had many ideas that i knew had clear solutions and even some people backed me up. but it wasn't enough, i got a hard no from admins. i hope anyone who knows me continues to improve the community and enjoy the game, maybe send me cool teeworlds videos sometime if they're posted in #showroom lynnyaLove
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 19:57:46Z
yeah but still i feel like you are not realistic an idea can also be a risk, and if u just provide the idea and are not here to also take responsibility than its simply extra work for devs/staff e.g. coding: if u add a bug, u should at best also fix that bug. u cannot expect to just implement some idea and then rq Ofc that doesnt mean that it must be perfect or smth. It's really simply that the game keeps to stay running post your idea what you are most annoyed about, else this discussion is pure drama... (edited)
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we need some case to talk about maybe its clear than why it got rejected
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or if its really as awesome as you think maybe u find ppl backing u up here
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gerdoe 2022-08-30 19:59:42Z
i remember myself trying to do server-side bots for ddnet and like "lol it seems im making another game"
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i believe ddnet will abandon teeworlds
20:00
its just keeping legacy rn
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Voxel 2022-08-30 20:00:38Z
yea there's a whole discussion of if we should just give up on keeping the teeworlds coding style,
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Tater 2022-08-30 20:01:38Z
I agree with voxel, if you want something done you have to learn how to do it yourself maybe if you're lucky someone else will do it but that rarely happens in my experience
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gerdoe 2022-08-30 20:02:56Z
yeah voxel is right, there is no idea in oss world huh
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Voxel 2022-08-30 20:03:12Z
i got EXTREMELY lucky with my first pr, the multicolored laser things. it would not be a thing if it wasnt for fokko actually knowing how the communication between server and client works
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 20:03:16Z
well he rq anyway xd
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give him 2 days
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Jupstar βœͺ
well he rq anyway xd
Voxel 2022-08-30 20:03:38Z
wait she left?
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Voxel
wait she left?
gerdoe 2022-08-30 20:03:53Z
ye
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Voxel 2022-08-30 20:03:56Z
DAMN
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 20:03:58Z
no shared servers with lyyn so yes
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gerdoe 2022-08-30 20:04:16Z
@Voxel ask her on lynn lounge
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Voxel 2022-08-30 20:04:33Z
i dont want to force it harder onto her. i think the most i can do now is listen
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murpi 2022-08-30 20:05:03Z
Did lynn actually contribute any code to ddnet?
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murpi
Did lynn actually contribute any code to ddnet?
gerdoe 2022-08-30 20:05:22Z
afair ye
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murpi 2022-08-30 20:05:44Z
Last time I checked I only saw some grammar fixes, that's all
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murpi
Did lynn actually contribute any code to ddnet?
Voxel 2022-08-30 20:06:55Z
Image attachment
20:07
and quite a few issues
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gerdoe 2022-08-30 20:07:19Z
xd
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i have found myself in contributors but not lynn for some reasons
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and found voxel
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murpi 2022-08-30 20:07:52Z
I kinda question how we contribute the dev role πŸ‘€
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murpi
I kinda question how we contribute the dev role πŸ‘€
funman 2022-08-30 20:08:06Z
gib dev pls
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murpi
I kinda question how we contribute the dev role πŸ‘€
gerdoe 2022-08-30 20:08:56Z
btw lynn did something on ddnet xpanic so no worries xd
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Voxel 2022-08-30 20:09:05Z
yea xpanic was fun
20:09
and then no one else wanted to play it so
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murpi 2022-08-30 20:09:15Z
that has nothing to do with ddrace or our project though
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Voxel
and then no one else wanted to play it so
gerdoe 2022-08-30 20:09:22Z
wait for zhp
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murpi 2022-08-30 20:09:47Z
but ye she did make it somewhat playable (I guess?)
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gerdoe 2022-08-30 20:10:08Z
they moved on database
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txt -> mysql
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thats only big thing i remember
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ah teeflower sans did it
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copypasted kurosios code troll
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Voxel 2022-08-30 20:11:07Z
anyways, im thinking about making the all in one tee-poser as a seperate executable; i just need to know how to start it.
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murpi 2022-08-30 20:11:24Z
someone else did the sqlite thing
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fokkonaut 2022-08-30 20:11:34Z
Where are all the servers in master?
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gerdoe 2022-08-30 20:11:37Z
voxel if u want to try something to do i can ask u for TEE TAUNTS sighs
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Voxel 2022-08-30 20:11:55Z
tee taunts?
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gerdoe 2022-08-30 20:11:59Z
tee taunts
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like tf2 taunts
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murpi 2022-08-30 20:12:14Z
whats that πŸ‘€
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Tater 2022-08-30 20:12:23Z
fortnite dancing tee (edited)
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gerdoe 2022-08-30 20:12:27Z
smh u don't know about tf2 taunts
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https://www.google.com/search?q=tf2+taunts
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fortnite dancing tee (edited)
gerdoe 2022-08-30 20:12:39Z
lmfao
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murpi 2022-08-30 20:12:52Z
I never got into tf2, didn't like it
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was more of a csgo type of guy ^^
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gerdoe 2022-08-30 20:13:12Z
yeah im also
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but taunts jus tdiwespreade
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anyways, im thinking about making the all in one tee-poser as a seperate executable; i just need to know how to start it.
Chairn 2022-08-30 20:13:17Z
tee-poser?
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gerdoe 2022-08-30 20:13:18Z
d
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Voxel 2022-08-30 20:13:28Z
hmm. if i were to make taunts/animated emotes, i would have to actually make a program to deal with animation quicker
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gerdoe 2022-08-30 20:13:34Z
like check out fortnite and super animal royale for example
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tee-poser?
Voxel 2022-08-30 20:13:53Z
my pitch is i want an easy app thats like the tee assember online, except with more features
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hmm. if i were to make taunts/animated emotes, i would have to actually make a program to deal with animation quicker
gerdoe 2022-08-30 20:14:02Z
u need to refactor animating system firstly i think
20:14
but idk actually
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Voxel 2022-08-30 20:14:50Z
where you can: export tee poses, view animated states, change colors, possibly have a mode with a dummy where hook is always active
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Chairn 2022-08-30 20:14:51Z
ah, i started to do that once, just a skin renderer into png, left it mid work, as usual πŸ™‚
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okay, we're not talking same thing i think
20:15
yours is edit tool
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i just wanted renderer
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Voxel 2022-08-30 20:15:38Z
fair
20:15
i want a way to export high quality tee PNGS for youtube thumbnails without the need of greenscreen
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gerdoe 2022-08-30 20:16:13Z
animateeng
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louis 2022-08-30 20:16:17Z
tl;dr plz
20:16
looks like a lot of DDrama
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gerdoe 2022-08-30 20:16:32Z
lynn rq, voxel does anima edit tool
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louis
tl;dr plz
Voxel 2022-08-30 20:16:52Z
lynn rq bcuz they felt undermined
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louis 2022-08-30 20:18:14Z
ok
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Chairn 2022-08-30 20:18:28Z
lynn rq because she's a snowflake
kek 1
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she's part of a group of people that does not accept criticism and reject any differing opinion
20:19
reminds me of some political party in recent history
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Voxel 2022-08-30 20:20:02Z
#off-topic for my take
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Tater 2022-08-30 20:28:37Z
I wonder if teeworlds was made in C# if there would be way more active devs
20:28
it feels like there's not that many for how big the community is
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Voxel 2022-08-30 20:29:00Z
maybe. but that involves me learning MORE terms
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Tater 2022-08-30 20:29:09Z
lol what?
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C# is not that hard compared to C++ unless you make it complicated on purpose I guess
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pilonpl 2022-08-30 20:30:08Z
C# is basically a java clone right?
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Tater 2022-08-30 20:30:16Z
well
20:30
kinda but not really
20:30
idk much about java tbh
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-30 20:31:10Z
i'd say 90% clone
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Tater
idk much about java tbh
pilonpl 2022-08-30 20:31:39Z
I don know either, i have seen some memes about that
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Tater
I wonder if teeworlds was made in C# if there would be way more active devs
gerdoe 2022-08-30 20:31:47Z
https://github.com/Matodor/TeeSharp
GitHub - Matodor/TeeSharp: Teeworlds / DDraceNetwork modding platfo...
Teeworlds / DDraceNetwork modding platform in .NET - GitHub - Matodor/TeeSharp: Teeworlds / DDraceNetwork modding platform in .NET
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under huge refactoring rn
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Broso56 2022-08-30 20:32:00Z
lol teesharp
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Tater 2022-08-30 20:32:26Z
does it actually work?
20:32
it reimplements the entire client and server?
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GitHub BOT 2022-08-30 20:32:51Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5793 Allow demo/map command line arguments to be relative paths, allow using `play` in command line
Closes #5645.

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  • [X] Tested the change ingame
  • [ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
  • [ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
  • [ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
  • [ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
  • [ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
  • [ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/...
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Tater
it reimplements the entire client and server?
gerdoe 2022-08-30 20:33:53Z
dk about client but server
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and mLife is teesharp thing
20:34
and such good thing i would say
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Tater 2022-08-30 20:37:08Z
C# is just much more noob friendly for modding, you can trivially make changes to a game with something like dnSpy which has round trip decompilation. also there's things like Harmony which makes mod loading easy (edited)
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Voxel 2022-08-30 20:38:13Z
oh thats handy!
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Tater 2022-08-30 20:40:37Z
also rip dnSpy, microsoft made the dev disappear or something
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Voxel 2022-08-30 20:40:51Z
deez nuts spy
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GitHub BOT 2022-08-30 21:33:03Z
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[ddnet:master] 3 new commits
13961db Allow demo/map arguments to be relative paths, allow using play - Robyt3 fe38caa Handle path/link arguments using the console argument parser - Robyt3 487d85b Merge #5793 - bors[bot]
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #5645 Using `play` to play demo files doesn't work when first launching the client
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #5793 Allow demo/map command line arguments to be relative paths, allow using `play` in command line
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Ryozuki 2022-08-30 22:06:16Z
oh i missed some sweet drama
22:07
i still the opinion that if you cant code it urself, the only thing you are entitled to is to ask a person one time if they are willing to do it
22:07
otherwise you dont belong to the open source community
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Ryozuki
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
Ryozuki 2022-08-30 22:08:17Z
this article is even relevant after this lmao
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Tater
I wonder if teeworlds was made in C# if there would be way more active devs
Ryozuki 2022-08-30 22:09:15Z
maybe there would be, but less quality ones
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i just find it so hilarious she was a lot into this is a open source community etc, but she barely tried to learn to code and do stuff
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Tater 2022-08-30 22:12:02Z
you would get more noobs but also you get people who have tons of experience modding C# games for many years. If you are a C# modder you can make mods for almost any unity game and many do
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Ryozuki
otherwise you dont belong to the open source community
Voxel 2022-08-30 22:12:15Z
idk i feel bad after all of this but, it might be better for my mental state
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Ryozuki
this article is even relevant after this lmao
Cipy29 2022-08-30 22:12:29Z
ctrl+f "rust" 'no matches' ctrl+w
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Voxel
i think with the current setup of ddnet's coding its hard to actually make any real improvements
Ryozuki 2022-08-30 22:12:30Z
btw this is not true, its normal to feel overwhelmed by a big codebase when starting, i remember this myself back in 2015, but here i am
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i learned to code thanks to ddnet mostly
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i became a better dev
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Tater 2022-08-30 22:13:35Z
I actually like big codebases, you can do more with less effort
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Cipy29
ctrl+f "rust" 'no matches' ctrl+w
Ryozuki 2022-08-30 22:13:42Z
today i saw a c# dev laugh about rust, guess thats why im bitter
22:13
let them enjoy their .net microsoft telemetrics
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To follow the path: look to the master, follow the master, walk with the master, see through the master, become the master.
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BASED
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Voxel 2022-08-30 22:14:55Z
I think my first solo coding project is going to be a tee renderer/animation handler. Though I don't know where to start in terms of setting everything up.
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Ryozuki 2022-08-30 22:15:10Z
sounds hard
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you should aim for simpler stuff first
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Tater 2022-08-30 22:15:26Z
like you're actually putting fortnite dances in teeworld?
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I thought it was a joke
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Voxel
I think my first solo coding project is going to be a tee renderer/animation handler. Though I don't know where to start in terms of setting everything up.
Cipy29 2022-08-30 22:15:34Z
maybe try to do it in sdl2
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https://sunjay.dev/learn-game-dev/getting-started.html
Getting Started | Learn Game Development in Rust
This tutorial will walk you through creating a game in the Rust programming language step-by-step.
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Ryozuki 2022-08-30 22:16:23Z
i recommend not using sdl2 if you use rust
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like you're actually putting fortnite dances in teeworld?
Voxel 2022-08-30 22:16:24Z
Not really. I just want to streamline a part of a PR i'm doing, which right now involves changing 1 varable, waiting for it all to compile and then watching a demo to take notes
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Ryozuki 2022-08-30 22:16:28Z
winit is good and rust native
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https://github.com/rust-windowing/winit
GitHub - rust-windowing/winit: Window handling library in pure Rust
Window handling library in pure Rust. Contribute to rust-windowing/winit development by creating an account on GitHub.
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Voxel
Not really. I just want to streamline a part of a PR i'm doing, which right now involves changing 1 varable, waiting for it all to compile and then watching a demo to take notes
Tater 2022-08-30 22:17:02Z
oh so you mean a more advanced demo editor?
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Ryozuki 2022-08-30 22:17:14Z
egui is the perfect fit for a external editor
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Tater 2022-08-30 22:17:17Z
like SFM?
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Ryozuki 2022-08-30 22:17:30Z
https://github.com/emilk/egui (edited)
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Tater
oh so you mean a more advanced demo editor?
Voxel 2022-08-30 22:18:11Z
Let me explain. I'm planning on making a running animation in DDNet. Though how the run code is set up, it's hard to make it where it looks... Good
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Ryozuki 2022-08-30 22:18:19Z
@Voxel but i tell you, getting into renderer stuff when you are just starting to code is like trying to make a complicated dish when u only know how to do scrambled eggs
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and you will only meet frustration
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and get less motivated to code
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Let me explain. I'm planning on making a running animation in DDNet. Though how the run code is set up, it's hard to make it where it looks... Good
Tater 2022-08-30 22:19:01Z
I see
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Ryozuki 2022-08-30 22:19:20Z
oh
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in ddnet
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Voxel 2022-08-30 22:19:25Z
That's fair. All i really want is to make it so I instantly see the changes during this code
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Ryozuki 2022-08-30 22:19:32Z
animations are done with somee python code iirc
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Voxel 2022-08-30 22:19:36Z
i know, im the one editing it LOL (edited)
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Ryozuki 2022-08-30 22:19:58Z
xD
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figuring how it works is another thing
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Voxel 2022-08-30 22:20:47Z
I mean, I know how it works. All I need to do now is position everything where it looks decent. But I can't really time and position things by hand and memory
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I don't know what matricks was on when he made the walking animation and how he did it so good
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Currently the run looks like this. Still flawed, and I know I'm gonna spend another week on it without an animation tool xd
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