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Between 2022-08-27 00:00:00Z and 2022-08-28 00:00:00Z
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97e29b1 Add 64 € funding for USA1 by YupHio - def-
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@Erik van Velzen tell me why would you invest in developing crypto related stuff on a free, open source platformer, where the category doesn't match the needs? As in you'd expect profit from it by having developers make a gamemode, which requires currency to do anything in the first place
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Making a teeworlds replica with a unique gamemode is the way to go for finantial investment, not betting addiction / microtransactions on a free open source game
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Cellegen
@Erik van Velzen tell me why would you invest in developing crypto related stuff on a free, open source platformer, where the category doesn't match the needs? As in you'd expect profit from it by having developers make a gamemode, which requires currency to do anything in the first place
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 07:39:39Z
There's a huge risk of when my products if it will succeed open source Could copy paste the same projects a thousand times Does devaluing my or our platform The key here is to build it in a way that people won't leave and stick in
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that was not my point
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my point was profiting from it, especially if you risk losing more, than is worth investing (onto the project) (edited)
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Making a teeworlds replica with a unique gamemode is the way to go for finantial investment, not betting addiction / microtransactions on a free open source game
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 10:05:18Z
Well the betting aspect is basically my first example Phase one one-on-one the company does not take anything winner takes all That's not really betting . skilled-based. To make this absolutely legal is another question In phase 2 it would be based on nfts particular on the skins of the players To keep people stick in game I would need to build a open marketplace where people who make the most beautiful skins. (Moderated) Will be selling it on the platform with royalties. Phase 3 DD race default map $0.15 entry into the map one week later the fastest three players will win the pot 🍯 company profits and map creator profits. New map gets chosen by the players themselves with a cost Map creator and company profits Phase 4 the exact details are not figured out yet But it should be something like back and front end developers that are fixing and updating the new t worlds platform Are earning money....
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can someone ban this guy
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lynn
can someone ban this guy
Someone asked him a question then he responded
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probably the most ridiculous thing i have read in this server
10:47
do we have the ability to block federation on the master server 🀣
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bomba2834 BOT 2022-08-27 10:58:14Z
damn thats some high level scam
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lucas_jooj BOT 2022-08-27 10:59:06Z
I legit thought it was a scam message at first glance
10:59
all it missed was a t.me link
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bomba2834 BOT 2022-08-27 11:02:11Z
imagine someone joins your server and be like "helo i select dis game for my block⛓️ thingy bitcoin stuff so u richz and i richz too"
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dude reacted with heart emote... do u think he has even played the game before
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Stop bullying the blockchain man, he wants to make fat stacks πŸ’΅
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I will bully him until he leaves, only way to "ban" him really
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Mfw intolerant leftist
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-27 11:18:08Z
yo Erik how much money are you willing to invest into that thing?
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can i ping names with spaces?
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@Erik van Velzen
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@"Erik van Velzen"
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You can yes, don’t need the quotes
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-27 11:19:40Z
oh cool thanks for the feedback
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@lucas_jooj here u get your t.me link hrhrhr https://www.teeworlds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=133729#p133729
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Cipy29
Someone asked him a question then he responded
I wish I didn't, I still didn't get a proper answer tho
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Learath2
Mfw intolerant leftist
love being radical
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-27 11:29:04Z
@lynn are you in game right now?
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-27 11:30:33Z
can i someone pm u?
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somehow*
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oh thank god im not the only one thinking he should be banned
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at least someone has my back
11:31
im not saying he's breaking any rules im saying he's a public nuisance
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well i already calling him out yesterday
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and goes against everything we stand for
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-27 11:31:19Z
@lynn could u join a tw server or irc so i can chat with u in private? :)
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hi chiller
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long time no see
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ChillerDragon: why not just message me on XMPP?
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i thought i offered this to you in the past
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lynn@nekomimi.be
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-27 11:33:11Z
@Erik van Velzen why does it need crypto and blockchain? for me it sounds like a classic monetization of a video game. It sounds very centralized and non blockchain related to me. Could you enlighten me.
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he just wants to make money
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-27 11:33:32Z
@lynn never hopped on the xmpp hype but i remember someone mentioned it here lemme see
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he said it himself in his "intro video"
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xmpp is legit
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-27 11:33:44Z
@Ryozuki you do not need crypto to get money
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been in the Blockchain industry for 10+ years
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yeah i know
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he just wants money
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-27 11:34:05Z
can weechat do xmpp?
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yeah i think
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A fork of the jabber plugin for weechat. Contribute to sleduc/weechat-xmpp development by creating an account on GitHub.
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or use dino
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-27 11:34:27Z
or what client u suggest lynn?
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decent client
11:34
for linux
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-27 11:34:55Z
hot logo
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i recommend dino or gajim but idk lately
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don't pay much attention to XMPP these days
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-27 11:35:23Z
yikes idk how xmpp wrks
11:35
are those random servers trusty to register? xd https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1661600088.png
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Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP, originally named Jabber) is an open communication protocol designed for instant messaging (IM), presence information, and contact list maintenance. Based on XML (Extensible Markup Language), it enables the near-real-time exchange of structured data between two or more network entities. Designed t...
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ChillerDragon: bro if you think that logo is hot, have a look at dino's https://dino.im/img/logo.svg
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meh you can just use like another open one
11:36
like uhh
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404.city
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-27 11:36:15Z
@Patiga yes i meant that logo xd
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im hooked
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there is one based in France that I can't remember
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:p
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Mostly from upstream https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/pull/2904, with some more fixes and refactorings.

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really nice
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-27 11:39:09Z
aaa password fails SASLprep dafa
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apparently it does not like spaces in the password like woot? now im ip banned xd
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-27 11:46:19Z
i slided into ur dms
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we are dming ;)
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a1617dc Replace all images with unicode chars - VoxelDoesCode 470ee65 DoButton_Sprite > DoButtonFontIcon - VoxelDoesCode 1807bb7 Update icons and clean up - VoxelDoesCode fa98ad1 Remove the need for file_icons.png - VoxelDoesCode 216d442 Clang Format - VoxelDoesCode 0392f66 Added an icon for Parent Directories - VoxelDoesCode 20e70b3 Demo Tooltips, in courtesy of Chairn - VoxelDoesCode b42627f Merge #5748 - bors[bot]
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64f326d Remove unused CDemoPlayer::NextFrame method - Robyt3 6f101f5 Rename method CDemoPlayer::time to Time - Robyt3 091f3b3 Rename variable PrevAmount to s_PrevAmount - Robyt3 d6628fe Rename variable LastSpeedChange to s_LastSpeedChange - Robyt3 3ec4075 Move variable declarations closer to usages - Robyt3 334bdad Fix demo intratick times not being updated when paused - Robyt3 76cefa1 Faster and more precise demo skipping - Robyt3 bf16875 Add period/comma hotkeys to skip one tick forward/backward - Robyt3 a24ac10 Always suppress events and update envelopes when skipping - Robyt3 8ac260a Merge #5777 - bors[bot]
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looks like spain isnt the worst this time kek
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well we get our gas from the south
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and you know who doesnt want spain gas to go upwards? france, cuz it would fuck their electricity economy kek
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so spain cant sell it to the others
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and they gotta rely on russia
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how is sweden doing so well?
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this is how
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meanwhile italy
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pepeW
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Ryozuki
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how is france doing so bad with almost 70% of their energy coming from nuclear?
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Learath2
how is france doing so bad with almost 70% of their energy coming from nuclear?
didn't they cancel nuclear power?
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everyone except france did
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not a green energy blahblahblah
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really strange then
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maybe all of these stations are russian xd
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Russia, US, Ukraine, and France all have significant amount of nuclear energy generation
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Oh actually japan seems to have cancelled nuclear energy too πŸ˜„
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Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-27 14:18:07Z
oh yeah do we start our half yearly why nuclear energy(fission) won't be the future already? 🍿 xd
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Jupstar βœͺ
oh yeah do we start our half yearly why nuclear energy(fission) won't be the future already? 🍿 xd
Not today, we are doing energy prices today
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Learath2
Not today, we are doing energy prices today
Jupstar βœͺ 2022-08-27 14:46:50Z
ah ok, just today i saw a video about a pumped storage power plant thats being built in the south. insane projects
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon
@Erik van Velzen why does it need crypto and blockchain? for me it sounds like a classic monetization of a video game. It sounds very centralized and non blockchain related to me. Could you enlighten me.
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 15:11:52Z
Yes it is a game to be monetized In multiple directions players earned money map creators earn money tee skin creators earn money Back and front end does earn money And the company earns money It has to be this way otherwise it won't stick
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Ryozuki
he just wants to make money
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 15:12:09Z
Yes
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon
@Ryozuki you do not need crypto to get money
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 15:13:31Z
You would need to put money on the app but the app would be controlled by only you that app is outside of this company
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Learath2
how is france doing so bad with almost 70% of their energy coming from nuclear?
As far as I know, more than half of nuclear is off in France, because of maintenance and other reasons
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Tomas
As far as I know, more than half of nuclear is off in France, because of maintenance and other reasons
If that's true that'd explain a lot. That’s horrible timing πŸ˜„
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Learath2
how is france doing so bad with almost 70% of their energy coming from nuclear?
32 out of 56 reactors are currently under maintenance
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Also with the ongoing drought, river based reactor needed to slow down to comply with regulation on rejected water temperature
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Ryozuki
and you know who doesnt want spain gas to go upwards? france, cuz it would fuck their electricity economy kek
not at all, the reason is that it would cost a lot of money while not benefitting France
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moreover, is it wise to invest so much money into a fossile energy that everyone is trying to get out?
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spain has been trying to get this done since 15 years ago
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its clearly an economic interested that france is against
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first time i heard of it was today πŸ˜„
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economic interest for who?
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why does windows swap so much ?...
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oh looks like the idea was revived recently
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A potential new gas connection between Spain and France could be ready to operate in less than a year's time, Spanish Energy Minister Teresa Ribera said on Friday, if France and other European countries agreed on the project.
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A new gas pipeline between France and Spain would not boost the security of French or European gas supply and could raise gas prices for consumers, French regulator CRE said on Wednesday.
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Chairn
why does windows swap so much ?...
does it? xD
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The MidCat Pipeline was initially pitched as part of the broader EU effort to reduce the bloc's dependence on Russian energy imports by shipping more gas from the Iberian peninsula to the rest of Europe. The project was cut into two sections. The first part is called the South Transit East Pyrenees, or STEP, and is meant to continue the existing abandoned line into France for 120 km, at a cost of about €440 million. France would cover two-thirds of that. The goal was for construction to be completed by 2022. The more expensive second half of MidCat would follow, including reinforcing about 800 km of the gas network in France. The full project aims to add about 7.5 billion cubic meters of cross-border capacity, approximately doubling the amount of gas that can flow between the two countries.[2]
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In 2015, the project was awarded a €4.15 million grant from the EU's Connecting Europe Facility for pre-construction studies as well as the public consultation for the implementation of the first phase of the project on the French side.[12]
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The pipeline was cancelled in January of 2019 after being blocked by French regulators following a determination that the pipeline was not financially viable.[13] The €3 billion project – which was prioritized for EU support by EU Climate Commissioner Miguel Arias Cañete in the EU's list of 'Projects of Common Interest' (PCI list), alongside 100 other gas projects – was last April found to be not financially viable under most scenarios, in an official cost-benefit study. Its cancellation throws into doubt the validity and legitimacy of the criteria used by the European Commission to prioritize similar gas projects on the PCI list.[4]
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good resume
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summary*
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but well they probs didnt know in 2022 we would have a gas crisis
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lynn
been in the Blockchain industry for 10+ years
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 15:57:28Z
I've been since 2010 And actively busy in it 2013 until now but I guess since 2019 I kind of slowed down And now I really really deeply want to get this game built
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You can join me here https://discord.gg/3C27acjG
16:03
he now is here spamming
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Closes #5774.

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  • [ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
  • [ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
  • [ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
  • [ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/...
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Erik van Velzen
You can join me here https://discord.gg/3C27acjG
i want to join this purely for the reason to see it fail
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man we're doing a lot of demo revamps huh
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bomba2834 BOT 2022-08-27 16:09:04Z
damn he really made a server (@Erik van Velzen)
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well, all cults have their church
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bomba2834
damn he really made a server (@Erik van Velzen)
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 17:14:55Z
Mmm , nothing special just a place where people can chat
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Record a server demo with record and stoprecord. Play the demo in the client. The default spectator mode (follow) leaves you stuck in the top-left corner. The follow mode works for player server de...
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Ryozuki
he now is here spamming
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 17:20:37Z
So first you're saying I'm a scam please be banned And now I'm trying to tell people that are interested to go somewhere else so you're not bothered and now I'm scamming you like how brutally 90° turns you're making Again rarely I speak Mostly answering others peoples questions. Please be kind to yourself and to others
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Bro he literally said spamming not scamming but now that you mention it that’s probably what you are doing
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Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 17:22:09Z
Sorry I'm dyslexic misread that.
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Skystrife
Bro he literally said spamming not scamming but now that you mention it that’s probably what you are doing
this was a scam from the start
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Skystrife
Bro he literally said spamming not scamming but now that you mention it that’s probably what you are doing
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 17:23:36Z
I'm feeling threatened all the time basically everybody is trying to kick me off and I'm just trying to get my words spoken and I'm looking that I'm looking for a developer that knows exactly how to code this game
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Voxel
this was a scam from the start
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 17:23:56Z
I said I would pay you 33 euros to prove me wrong
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Any other attack you may have to me right now or anyone else or just cowards no one is coming front to take it
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imagine getting paid 33 euro to then lose it instantly when you gamble it in crypto teeworlds
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Voxel
imagine getting paid 33 euro to then lose it instantly when you gamble it in crypto teeworlds
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 17:25:36Z
I'll pay you cash no bloody crypto coins not in game just now
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sounds like ur getting mad my guy
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Erik van Velzen
I'm feeling threatened all the time basically everybody is trying to kick me off and I'm just trying to get my words spoken and I'm looking that I'm looking for a developer that knows exactly how to code this game
You say you aren’t scamming but got weirdly defensive at the sight of a similar word, and even if your intentions are good a budget of 2000 is scamming whichever dev you want to do work for you anyways
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Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 17:27:05Z
I'm trying so badly to get any real response from some good developers here
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>good develoupers whats your definition of that
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Skystrife
You say you aren’t scamming but got weirdly defensive at the sight of a similar word, and even if your intentions are good a budget of 2000 is scamming whichever dev you want to do work for you anyways
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 17:28:31Z
If the plan was for phase 1 to be complete for $2,000 There could be some more money on the table it really depends
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>good develoupers whats your definition of that
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 17:29:26Z
Someone that at least knows the ins and outs of the game back end front end And can implement payment structures within detailed code
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Erik van Velzen
I'm feeling threatened all the time basically everybody is trying to kick me off and I'm just trying to get my words spoken and I'm looking that I'm looking for a developer that knows exactly how to code this game
if you feel threatened, nobody forces you to stay here πŸ™‚
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literally all devs have seen ur stuff already
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nobody is interested
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get it in ur head
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Erik van Velzen
Someone that at least knows the ins and outs of the game back end front end And can implement payment structures within detailed code
idk why you want other ppls say on it. its literally open source, add it yourself
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He can’t bc he’s not a dev but he knows how profitable play to earn games can be so he wants to hi-jack this community into one of those (edited)
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Erik van Velzen
I'm trying so badly to get any real response from some good developers here
I guess most active devs have seen your proposal already and Iβ€˜d interpret their silence as a lack of interest.
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someone was really worried about how i responded to this guy, but seems like everyone went in harder xD
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Skystrife
He can’t bc he’s not a dev but he knows how profitable play to earn games can be so he wants to hi-jack this community into one of those (edited)
I checked his name in game. He doesn't play
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barely any points
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note the playtime in the last year and only finished one moderate map
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he wants to piggyback on the success of others on a FOSS project for his own gains. I suppose he is running out of crypto ventures to explore? I mean, come on, I'm sure there are easier communities to fuck over, ones that are already monetized. Everything about this is a joke
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@lynn too new to remember active vanilla community greenthing
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he said he plays since many years
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He specifically referenced DDrace in his post...
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afk emote isn't rendering for timeouted tees, dunno anyone notice it
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@Erik van Velzen anyways, as a reminder, we are FREE and open source developers and as deen said the silence speaks volumes. Building crypto infrastructure on top of Teeworlds is in demonstrably poor taste, and I hope you give up early and go elsewhere. You're wasting your time as you know it and time is money! (edited)
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nori
afk emote isn't rendering for timeouted tees, dunno anyone notice it
most likely bcs of b99d8dc2595d0914b9a844dad7b98b0aaedca8a8
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lynn
He specifically referenced DDrace in his post...
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 19:27:32Z
on tee worlds not on dd
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Everything you said was contextualized as DDrace specific. "map creators" and "DD race default map" and "fastest three players"
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how the hell else am i supposed to interpret this?
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he says hes dyslexic
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he wrote it himself?????
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Erik van Velzen
Sorry I'm dyslexic misread that.
yeha
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ddrace is supposed to be some later phase, but yeah the idea itself totally goes against teeworlds'/ddnet's mentailty
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im confused but anyway, what you said was specific to DDrace and since you don't play and no one knows you you're not going to have any luck
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lynn
he wrote it himself?????
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 19:32:17Z
I'm using speech to word
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just please go make a mobile game
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or like
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ask minetest
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nori
most likely bcs of b99d8dc2595d0914b9a844dad7b98b0aaedca8a8
@Zwelf
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just stop wasting your time lol
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yeah he'll have better luck getting some random indie dev to make a unity game for this
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you spoke English fine in the video, unless I'm misunderstanding something
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do you just mean you're speaking into your phone to text?
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lynn
do you just mean you're speaking into your phone to text?
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 19:34:37Z
Correct
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Ravie
yeah he'll have better luck getting some random indie dev to make a unity game for this
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 19:35:38Z
That could be possible
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The problem there is they would need to learn the code base That costs lots of time and that would cost me extra money
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you know what would be cheaper and easier? making a damn mobile game
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if you really only care about the money (seeing that you don't play personally) just do something easier
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stop wasting time with a free and open source community and find someone who is actually on the same level of morality as you
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lynn
you know what would be cheaper and easier? making a damn mobile game
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 19:37:30Z
That's incorrect I absolutely love this game well DD race is something totally different
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You mentioned DDrace specific things in your post like 3 times
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I won't reiterate
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Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 19:38:08Z
Exactly phase 3
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No you mentioned it earlier than that too
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Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 19:38:40Z
I guess I have I wasn't too clear about it
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Erik van Velzen
The problem there is they would need to learn the code base That costs lots of time and that would cost me extra money
there's no codebase to learn when making something new, they can use tools that make it easy to make something from scratch
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this channel reaches IRC Matrix and Discord and no one has responded to you about the project
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take a hint
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Ravie
there's no codebase to learn when making something new, they can use tools that make it easy to make something from scratch
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 19:40:02Z
But that would take at least three to four months I spoke already with a couple of people face to face not digitally
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if you truly love the game, why do you want to undermine its FOSS values by monetizing it?
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someone who truly loved the game would not advocate for this
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Erik van Velzen
But that would take at least three to four months I spoke already with a couple of people face to face not digitally
LOL it did not take murpi 3-4 months to learn to make basic changes
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lynn
if you truly love the game, why do you want to undermine its FOSS values by monetizing it?
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 19:40:51Z
If you've watched the video it explains could you imagine that everyone is making money Not the losers but everyone else is
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so clearly so far you have not engaged in the community nor do you understand anything about the technical side of things
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I watched the video
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lynn
so clearly so far you have not engaged in the community nor do you understand anything about the technical side of things
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 19:42:02Z
No I'm not a developer I'm dyslexic But I damn bloody want this game built
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lynn
LOL it did not take murpi 3-4 months to learn to make basic changes
@murpi feel free to confirm but im almost certain it didn't take this long
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developing anything takes lots of time, making a game from scratch using an engine might be actually faster in the end than frankensteining teeworlds
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Erik van Velzen
No I'm not a developer I'm dyslexic But I damn bloody want this game built
Explain to me in 3 sentences why you want the game built. Why should I as a player want monetization?
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lynn
LOL it did not take murpi 3-4 months to learn to make basic changes
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 19:42:53Z
I don't have the time I have a family that I need to take care of
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Exactly what I said, it doesn't take that long
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there are tons of devs that already understand the codebase but I doubt they will work with u
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Erik van Velzen
I don't have the time I have a family that I need to take care of
then frankly I'm offended that you think the best thing for your family is to try injecting your crypto views into a FOSS project. If it was really about your damn family you would do something safer
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Go make a mobile game, go monetize your own idea
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Guaranteed it is at least possible instead of impossible
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lynn
then frankly I'm offended that you think the best thing for your family is to try injecting your crypto views into a FOSS project. If it was really about your damn family you would do something safer
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 19:45:14Z
I want to do something that I love Not just hacking away
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Well I think you need to refocus on what is important to you. If your family is more important than what you love (which it should be) then reevaluate and redirect your course. Ofc you love crypto so I don't expect your values to be in line with mine, but I can at least hope for that much
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lynn
Guaranteed it is at least possible instead of impossible
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 19:47:04Z
I actually have tried that It costs huge tremendous amount of effort And return you just get crap This game is absolutely amazing lots of bugs have been fixed it has been played by so many people If I start something new that's a problem people wouldn't understand the game and they would need to learn it That's just not what I wanted I wanted something that is already there people know how to play it and know what the rules are
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So far you've wasted at least an hour talking about this
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lynn
Well I think you need to refocus on what is important to you. If your family is more important than what you love (which it should be) then reevaluate and redirect your course. Ofc you love crypto so I don't expect your values to be in line with mine, but I can at least hope for that much
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 19:47:41Z
Nothing much in the crypto space at all
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An average dev makes about... oh idk in Europe but in America we make 100k yearly which is about 50 USD per hour
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You could have 50 USD so far instead of working up the wrong crowd. Tick tock
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[quakenet] xq BOT 2022-08-27 19:48:33Z
I like that you want to make Teeworlds more competive by "supporting" them and trying to make a way of 1on1 eacother. Which cool due to how dead the vanilla side is :( BUT for me it ruins the one thing I really like about the game, which is that anyone can just launch the game up and start playing (as I understand it, you want the player to put something in before they can start playing, which would
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create the need for accounts bla bla).
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Monetizing the game incentivizes a balance of scarcity and need. NFTs inherently succeed due to this and since you have been doing this shit for 10+ years you should know it is not equally fair for players. If you care about the game, you would focus elsewhere and play in your free time or even dev for it, but you don't
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lynn
Monetizing the game incentivizes a balance of scarcity and need. NFTs inherently succeed due to this and since you have been doing this shit for 10+ years you should know it is not equally fair for players. If you care about the game, you would focus elsewhere and play in your free time or even dev for it, but you don't
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 19:51:11Z
This is a lot of text to read
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everyone will insist that P2E games are "more fair" to their customers but it's the same shit. It's just a more public version of extortion.
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I play Teeworlds for fun. So does everyone else. We are not interested. Have a good day
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lynn
everyone will insist that P2E games are "more fair" to their customers but it's the same shit. It's just a more public version of extortion.
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 19:52:29Z
As I said it's not our platform where the money is kept
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lynn
I play Teeworlds for fun. So does everyone else. We are not interested. Have a good day
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 19:53:27Z
But that is an old idea Myself and so many other players worldwide always have seen gaming as such but never as a way to make money
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In the context of skill based gaming and creation of skins and maps
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Sorry I'm not interested in this discussion anymore. I tried to help you make the best choices but that's all I can do. People have been monetizing free to play games for forever. They have not "always seen" it for fun. There's a split in the community and we are on one side
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The only problem I see here is that you have straddled the fence. Get back on your side
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Besides, have you even considered how many players Teeworlds has? This is not profitable, find a bigger game or come up with your own idea. I'm not replying further
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lynn
Sorry I'm not interested in this discussion anymore. I tried to help you make the best choices but that's all I can do. People have been monetizing free to play games for forever. They have not "always seen" it for fun. There's a split in the community and we are on one side
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-27 19:57:33Z
I thank you for being kind I'm not so hard on me
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[quakenet] xq BOT 2022-08-27 20:13:12Z
I guess he won
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Test
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958f9ff Add 29€ funding for USA1 by YupHio - def-
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939b3e5 Fix free-view button state when following a free-view spectator - Robyt3 7cbca53 Deactivate "Follow" spectator mode in global server demos - Robyt3 4dcdba3 Merge #5778 - bors[bot]
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Erik van Velzen
If you've watched the video it explains could you imagine that everyone is making money Not the losers but everyone else is
everyone makes money but the losers
there you got the scam part outloud
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jao's hairy kebab 2022-08-27 22:37:12Z
typical no coiner tryign to spread FUD
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