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Between 2022-08-24 00:00:00Z and 2022-08-25 00:00:00Z
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Patiga 2022-08-24 00:00:46Z
I found like three tutorials, but I thought you can add randomness into automappers and I didn't see that in those tutorials
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Patiga
I found like three tutorials, but I thought you can add randomness into automappers and I didn't see that in those tutorials
archimede67 2022-08-24 00:04:53Z
maybe look into existing automapper rules for like generic tiles, there must be randomness involved somewhere
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Patiga 2022-08-24 00:05:48Z
true, but some sort of specification would be great
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Souly 2022-08-24 00:06:37Z
https://www.teeworlds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=8886
[MAPPING] How to set up your own rules for automapper [OUTDATED] (P...
[MAPPING] How to set up your own rules for automapper [OUTDATED] (Page 1) — Tutorials — Teeworlds Forum — Everything Teeworlds!
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but i wouldnt say its explained well
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Patiga 2022-08-24 00:07:32Z
ah, it says 'outdated' just coz they went to the new format, not because things in the old format changed?
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Souly 2022-08-24 00:07:56Z
as far as i know the random feature should work the same
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or at least be written the same way
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Patiga 2022-08-24 00:08:40Z
thanks!
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Chairn
a separate commit is enough imo
Voxel 2022-08-24 01:10:33Z
I'm thinking, how the editor uses Tool Tips is that it's embedded inside the button code. I don't know if I should do the same to the FontIcons section since there's also an instance of it in menus.cpp within a CONF_VIDEORECORDER section
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Skystrife
@Erik van Velzen I have a couple years of experience with blockchain development and have played this game for many years and as I mentioned last time we talked about blockchain, while it would be possible to integrate blockchain aspects into this I don't think the game lends itself well to it and I especially don't think it would be good for the community, so if you do want to build a derivative of this game with blockchain, I don't think it would be well accepted anyways (edited)
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-24 06:04:35Z
We are not directly working on chain That's what the future if there will be security issues we're just going to use the payment structure at the moment only on bsv and later on on usdc when that is integrated into the system that will be using
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Devinci
lmao, how greedy do you have to be to kinda "ruin" tw...
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-24 06:05:34Z
It's like having a pizzeria pizzeria is like open source right Anyone can jump in and do the same thing but slightly different
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Learath2
There is always a possibility that he builds a completely new community around it though
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-24 06:09:37Z
Correct.it Is building completely New Community around it.
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Voxel
nftCatch, capture as many players as you can but every time you get captured your stock goes down by 4%
Erik van Velzen 2022-08-24 06:11:24Z
As long as we play and wager money on usdc all should be good
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Nagi01 {LAN}
@TsFreddie yo, who have made ur discord pp ?
TsFreddie 2022-08-24 06:19:40Z
I did
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 06:38:24Z
New discord update on Android sux af
06:38
No native app anymore 😦
06:38
Electron
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 06:46:04Z
they gave up
06:46
finally
06:46
uh
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gerdoe
finally
ReiTW 2022-08-24 06:58:12Z
"finally"
06:58
this is the worst shit ever
06:58
the native app worked perfectly
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ReiTW
New discord update on Android sux af
fokkonaut 2022-08-24 08:03:10Z
yup
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 08:03:18Z
It's so laggy
08:03
Omfg
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fokkonaut 2022-08-24 08:03:24Z
yep
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 08:03:59Z
For me it works lol
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Voxel
I'm thinking, how the editor uses Tool Tips is that it's embedded inside the button code. I don't know if I should do the same to the FontIcons section since there's also an instance of it in menus.cpp within a CONF_VIDEORECORDER section
Cellegen 2022-08-24 08:11:44Z
I can't wait to have cfg files as customization for unique game entities
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or for normal ones, so we can translate the tooltips
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ReiTW
"finally"
gerdoe 2022-08-24 08:16:10Z
i knew that they will kill their native
08:16
discord sucks
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 08:20:30Z
Buy a better phone or something, idk
08:23
Just because in theory it's less optimised doesn't mean it's worse
08:24
It's good enough
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pilonpl
Just because in theory it's less optimised doesn't mean it's worse
ReiTW 2022-08-24 08:25:46Z
Electron is garbage, and everyone knows it
08:26
Just mention electron anywhere and people should vomit by default
08:26
Buy a better phone, have a Samsung Galaxy S21 FE 5G, it's way powerful enough, but discord still lag shit
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 08:27:11Z
Weird
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ReiTW
Electron is garbage, and everyone knows it
pilonpl 2022-08-24 08:28:01Z
Vscode is bad too? Lol
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 08:28:16Z
Electron is the issue
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 08:28:56Z
So what did the old app use?
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 08:29:16Z
Native android
08:29
And it worked well
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 08:32:23Z
For me it works just as good as the old one
08:33
Btw doesn't the new app use react native??
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 08:35:12Z
https://piunikaweb.com/2022/08/23/discord-app-new-ui-or-compact-design-criticized-by-many/
Karanjot Sidhu
[Updated] Discord app new compact UI design met with criticism
The new UI with a compact design after the latest update to the Discord app version 126.21 on Android has left some disappointed.
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 08:36:29Z
They probably didn't know about these issues lol
08:37
It seems like like they're only present on some devices
08:39
Also the new app probably only seems slower because of the new animations lol
08:39
I haven't noticed any change
08:42
Ok, vc buttons are laggy
08:43
And images are bugged a little
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These are the only issues i noticed
08:46
So from my perspective it looks like people just dislike the new ui
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GitHub BOT 2022-08-24 09:36:29Z
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pilonpl
Just because in theory it's less optimised doesn't mean it's worse
Learath2 2022-08-24 09:53:32Z
How on earth is this not an oxymoron? Less optimized = less performant = worse. It's like saying "Less good doesn't mean worse"
09:56
I installed the old native one to make sure I wasn't imagining things and even just changing between servers is slower. It's a lazy port made as a cost cutting measure to unify their ios and android codebase so they can pay less engineers and outsource more
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 09:58:27Z
Idk
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GitHub BOT 2022-08-24 09:58:58Z
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[ddnet:master] 7 new commits
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #5766 Added map_create_pixelart tool
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Learath2
I installed the old native one to make sure I wasn't imagining things and even just changing between servers is slower. It's a lazy port made as a cost cutting measure to unify their ios and android codebase so they can pay less engineers and outsource more
pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:00:25Z
Omg, you are right lol
10:00
It is slower
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Learath2 2022-08-24 10:02:46Z
But it's not unfixable thankfully. React-Native can compile most the js into bytecode through some project I don't remember the name of. If they spend some time properly optimizing this it can be salvageable
10:03
They also need to make some native components, my older phone is suffering with the member list
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ReiTW
New discord update on Android sux af
m!ki 2022-08-24 10:05:51Z
“Android” 😂 Use iOS noobs
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:06:30Z
I won't pay apple
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m!ki 2022-08-24 10:06:51Z
Then enjoy laggy android
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m!ki
“Android” 😂 Use iOS noobs
ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:07:09Z
iOS sux
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android doesn't lag
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only Electron
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ReiTW
iOS sux
m!ki 2022-08-24 10:07:34Z
For coding yes
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:07:42Z
I won't buy thier 20$ polishing cloth
10:08
And i wont buy thier cloud storage
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m!ki
Then enjoy laggy android
Learath2 2022-08-24 10:08:06Z
Android isn't laggy, it's just modern app developers
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:08:15Z
And i want to be able to install any app i want on my device
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pilonpl
I won't buy thier 20$ polishing cloth
m!ki 2022-08-24 10:08:23Z
Nobody said u should, but devices are worth of money. Anyone who says it’s not, just capping af.
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:08:45Z
Hardware itself is mostly om
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Ok
10:09
But you can't even repair it
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pilonpl
And i want to be able to install any app i want on my device
Learath2 2022-08-24 10:09:19Z
Thankfully soon you will be able to. New EU antitrust law coming up
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:09:21Z
Your device isn't even your
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Learath2
Android isn't laggy, it's just modern app developers
m!ki 2022-08-24 10:09:31Z
I had few dumb lags on brand new flagship Samsung phone, it’s obviously android. Never had some issues on iPhone
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:10:03Z
I mean obv when you have a constructor that has to manage only few devices while there's Google having to play with tons of different devices
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:10:04Z
Apple also artificially kills alder phones
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:10:10Z
Android is well optimized for all of that
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ReiTW
Android is well optimized for all of that
m!ki 2022-08-24 10:10:21Z
Are u sure? XD
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:10:27Z
yes it is
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m!ki
I had few dumb lags on brand new flagship Samsung phone, it’s obviously android. Never had some issues on iPhone
Learath2 2022-08-24 10:10:38Z
Oh we are doing anectodal evidence day. I had a dumb issue with my ipad that bricked itself brand new when I turned it on, needed a PC to reset it
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:10:46Z
Android isn't perfect but it's better than not owning your own phone
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Wtf
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Learath2
Oh we are doing anectodal evidence day. I had a dumb issue with my ipad that bricked itself brand new when I turned it on, needed a PC to reset it
m!ki 2022-08-24 10:10:58Z
Okay I give up
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:11:05Z
+ apple giving new features
10:11
that android has since 10 years lmao
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m!ki 2022-08-24 10:11:34Z
Classic android arguments
10:11
🤷‍♂️
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m!ki
Okay I give up
Learath2 2022-08-24 10:11:57Z
Not my fault your n=1 study of samsung phones (which is some of the worst bloated android experiences ever) didn't impress me
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f 2022-08-24 10:12:05Z
welcome to PWA cancer
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xd
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:12:42Z
Also iphones are expensive
10:12
They don't sell cheaper phones
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pilonpl
Also iphones are expensive
m!ki 2022-08-24 10:12:58Z
Only reason why people hate it. 😝
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:13:03Z
No
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m!ki 2022-08-24 10:13:21Z
Compare flagship iPhone from 2020 and Samsung flagship.
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m!ki
Classic android arguments
Learath2 2022-08-24 10:13:21Z
Yeah generalize so you can discard everyones arguments at once. Thanks boss
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m!ki 2022-08-24 10:13:26Z
Samsung is dying
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Doesn’t have a chance
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m!ki
Only reason why people hate it. 😝
pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:14:02Z
Some people just don't need such an expensive phone
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:14:04Z
samsung is dying
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Learath2
Yeah generalize so you can discard everyones arguments at once. Thanks boss
m!ki 2022-08-24 10:14:06Z
I can’t argue with u, ur high level iq, it’s better to give up
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:14:07Z
who told you that lmao
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samsung is top1 leader way in front of others
10:14
even apple is not the 1st company when it's about smartphones
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m!ki 2022-08-24 10:14:44Z
@Learath2 that wasn’t sarcasm
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:15:32Z
Apple is for rich people who will pay apple for literally everything
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ReiTW
who told you that lmao
Learath2 2022-08-24 10:15:37Z
Apple people have been saying android is dying for the last 15 years. It's just a common argument, never with a source
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m!ki 2022-08-24 10:15:42Z
I do agree that android has freedom for doing anything u want to ur phone. But my experience with it was bad
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m!ki
I do agree that android has freedom for doing anything u want to ur phone. But my experience with it was bad
Learath2 2022-08-24 10:16:07Z
See this is a sane argument. Why not just say this instead of sarcasm and generalizations?
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:16:12Z
+ on android & many constructors you're free to do whatever you want. If tomorrow u wanna flash a custom image, you can. if you want to root your phone, you can. etc... Only limitations of Android is when it comes about supporting different types of components. Like applications such as Snapchat that takes a screenshot of the preview of the camera.
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Learath2
Apple people have been saying android is dying for the last 15 years. It's just a common argument, never with a source
ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:16:25Z
apple always tell shit
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the last chip, when they said they're far more powerful than the best graphics card in the market
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they are like not even reaching 50-60% of it
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Only good argument can be privacy, but you can't trust anybody. So you can't trust apple too
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ReiTW
the last chip, when they said they're far more powerful than the best graphics card in the market
Learath2 2022-08-24 10:17:54Z
They do have a really cool chip though ngl. I wish Intel had just stuck with Arm instead of rolling the garbage that is Atom
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:18:03Z
Apple literary kills older phones. That should be enough to completely cancel them.
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:18:11Z
And I'd like to see how many people really takes care about their privacy without having instagram, facebook, tiktok etc..
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:18:50Z
Ios maybe block 3rd party apps from spying on you
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But apple still can spy on you
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And they definitely do that
10:19
They use your phone for tracking thier air tags
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pilonpl
Ios maybe block 3rd party apps from spying on you
Learath2 2022-08-24 10:20:28Z
This is the big idea. By preventing 3rd parties from tracking on their platform, they are effectively creating a monopoly on the metadata generated on their platform
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m!ki 2022-08-24 10:20:55Z
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Tiktok logs 🤣
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:21:04Z
It's not like they care about your privacy at all
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m!ki 2022-08-24 10:21:05Z
Each 10 secs
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Android is only good for finding exploits
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:21:19Z
They just don't want others to have data from thier devices
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m!ki
Android is only good for finding exploits
ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:22:30Z
you can't do anything u want with ur phone
10:22
here I can
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Learath2
This is the big idea. By preventing 3rd parties from tracking on their platform, they are effectively creating a monopoly on the metadata generated on their platform
Learath2 2022-08-24 10:22:36Z
However, google does a similar thing too with Android. In this aspect there is no solution. Under a capitalist structure of the economy profits are much more important to a company then your privacy
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:22:40Z
Iphones are more secure but it's more because you literally can do only stuff apple wants you to do
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ReiTW
you can't do anything u want with ur phone
m!ki 2022-08-24 10:22:54Z
Wdym
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:23:29Z
You can't install all apps
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Only the apps apple approved
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m!ki 2022-08-24 10:23:52Z
That won’t be case anymore
10:23
Cuz of EU
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:24:11Z
And that's a good thing
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Learath2 2022-08-24 10:24:19Z
I'm so proud of EU. Taming the beast that is apple
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:24:44Z
But they literally wouldn't do anything by themselves
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Learath2 2022-08-24 10:25:14Z
You still wont be able to tinker with the OS though. So that's the next step. Hopefully some EU politicians will get onboard with right to repair stuff which will help
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:26:17Z
Ofc it's not like thier hardware is bad
10:26
I just want to own my devices
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Learath2
I'm so proud of EU. Taming the beast that is apple
m!ki 2022-08-24 10:26:38Z
But why EU isn’t doing anything about TikTok logging data each 10 seconds for info about device location and other things?
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m!ki
But why EU isn’t doing anything about TikTok logging data each 10 seconds for info about device location and other things?
Learath2 2022-08-24 10:27:01Z
Everyone does it. That's the business model of the interweb
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:27:10Z
Apple does that too btw
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pilonpl
Apple does that too btw
Learath2 2022-08-24 10:27:32Z
Apple does it way less than android, atleast 3 years ago that was the case
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:27:47Z
Well, you can't really know
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Learath2 2022-08-24 10:27:50Z
Google really agressively polls your device for location and stuff
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:27:54Z
Thier os is closed source
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pilonpl
Well, you can't really know
Learath2 2022-08-24 10:28:15Z
They monitor the amount of data going to google and apple on idle devices
10:28
That's how they tested it atleast in that one paper I read
10:28
"Blackbox testing"
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:29:36Z
Android is open source lol
10:29
Sure, google collects data
10:29
But it's not on the system level
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I mean, I don know
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pilonpl
Android is open source lol
Learath2 2022-08-24 10:30:23Z
The kernel and the core is. The tracking stuff are built into google services stuff all android phones come with, those are closed source sadly
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:30:41Z
Yes, you don't have to use thier services
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Learath2 2022-08-24 10:30:54Z
Point is on Android. You can actually remove this stuff. Sure it'll be annoying, but you can, which is great
10:31
Having the possibility is important imo
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:31:13Z
Yup
10:31
And with apple you have no way of knowing what your phone is doing at all
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Learath2 2022-08-24 10:32:04Z
On iOS you can't downgrade at all. On Android when Samsung pushes a patch killing my phone, I can just roll it back
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:33:53Z
OS is something you should trust
10:34
And you can't really trust anything that isn't open source
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Learath2 2022-08-24 10:34:43Z
Honestly, most people don't give a shit as evidenced by macOS + Windows market share
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:35:02Z
I use windows too tbh
10:35
But i know that's not good
10:35
Windows collects data too
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Learath2 2022-08-24 10:35:58Z
I only boot to windows to play some games that refuse to port or allow VMs and Wine.
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:36:17Z
I wanted to install linux
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But i was scared i would delete something
10:36
And brick my pc
10:36
Lol
10:36
It wanted some boot partition or something???
10:37
Idk
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Learath2 2022-08-24 10:37:17Z
Bricking your pc is very very very unlikely, especially with a user friendly linux distro with an installer
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:37:26Z
I know
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Learath2 2022-08-24 10:37:29Z
You could accidentally lose data though if you are not careful
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:37:39Z
Right
10:38
Also i wasn't sure which partitions it was going to use
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Learath2 2022-08-24 10:38:19Z
If you have a windows and linux boot media on hand you can pretty much be certain that there will be a way to fix your pc even if you mess it up
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:38:39Z
Maybe someday i will install linux
10:38
I don't have much space for it
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pilonpl
Maybe someday i will install linux
Learath2 2022-08-24 10:39:13Z
It is much more userfriendly nowadays, so you could give it a try sometime
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:39:21Z
And idk if it's possible to install programs on other drives
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:39:53Z
problem with linux is when u have to mess with it after having corrupted files/data
10:40
eg when u have a kernel panic & have to diag why
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pilonpl
Maybe someday i will install linux
pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:40:29Z
I would need someone to help me lol
10:40
I don't want to delete something accidentally
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:40:39Z
just install it in a VM & google
10:40
google you have absolutely everything u need
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:40:49Z
Vm isn't the same
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:40:58Z
it is , if yuo wanna learn it
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:41:00Z
There isn't any data to loose
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:41:10Z
yes then destroy it, see what happens
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xD
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Learath2 2022-08-24 10:41:27Z
Honestly if you want to install it alongside windows, its not a bad idea to test in a VM
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:41:34Z
Maybe if there was a way to simulate my real setup in a vm
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:41:41Z
@pilonpl wait
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try that, it's funny
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ho wait
10:42
wrong websit
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Learath2 2022-08-24 10:42:19Z
I usually never use installers, I just dont trust that they wont nuke my other partitions on mistake 😄
10:42
Probably just paranoia on my part
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:42:54Z
bruh they removed it 😦
10:43
it was the right link, not the same website anymore
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Learath2
I usually never use installers, I just dont trust that they wont nuke my other partitions on mistake 😄
pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:43:20Z
That's exactly what im afraid of
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pilonpl
Maybe if there was a way to simulate my real setup in a vm
Learath2 2022-08-24 10:43:22Z
You can create disks and partitions and install windows before you try linux
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:43:31Z
Ill try that
10:43
Virtual box is slow
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pilonpl
That's exactly what im afraid of
Learath2 2022-08-24 10:43:55Z
Honestly my paranoia is based on installers of 10 years ago. I'm sure they are much better now
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:44:11Z
Probably
10:44
I have backups
10:44
But restoring backups is annoying too lol
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:44:32Z
@pilonpl u can try vmware workstation tho
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:44:42Z
Is vmware better?
10:44
I think it's not open source
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:44:54Z
both works fine for small testing
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:44:56Z
Virtual box is
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:44:58Z
yes it's not
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Learath2 2022-08-24 10:45:22Z
On consumer hardware they will perform about the same if I recall correctly
10:45
They both use hardware virtualization nowadays
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:46:00Z
Qemu is the best
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Cellegen 2022-08-24 10:46:16Z
who needs virtualbox when you have 2 SDDs which you have Windows on one, Linux on another installed
10:46
greenthing
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:46:33Z
I have one ssd
10:46
Windows is so big lol
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Cellegen
who needs virtualbox when you have 2 SDDs which you have Windows on one, Linux on another installed
Learath2 2022-08-24 10:46:39Z
This is my setup too
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Cellegen 2022-08-24 10:46:48Z
greenthing pog
greenthing 2
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Learath2 2022-08-24 10:47:02Z
With that setup though the only hard part is getting the boot things right
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:47:23Z
So ill try to simulate my setup lol
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:47:31Z
@Cellegen who needs SSD & virtualization when u can load linux into ram & hf with it (edited)
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:48:05Z
I think i still have windows image
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Cellegen 2022-08-24 10:48:17Z
I needed a bios extention which made booting decent, not the typical F9 into choosing which ssd to run
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:48:18Z
diskless instances gigachad
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:48:52Z
Btw there is a very cool android app, termux
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ReiTW
@Cellegen who needs SSD & virtualization when u can load linux into ram & hf with it (edited)
Learath2 2022-08-24 10:48:52Z
I actually bootstrapped a netbsd installation remotely this way. Couldn't mount isos and they didnt have a netbsd image, so I wrote the netbsd install media onto the start of the harddisk and booted that into ram 😄
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pilonpl
Btw there is a very cool android app, termux
pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:49:02Z
Its a terminal emulator
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pilonpl
I think i still have windows image
Cellegen 2022-08-24 10:49:07Z
I have my ssd be separated into two images, one of them have my windows installer kek (edited)
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Learath2
I actually bootstrapped a netbsd installation remotely this way. Couldn't mount isos and they didnt have a netbsd image, so I wrote the netbsd install media onto the start of the harddisk and booted that into ram 😄
ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:49:53Z
bsd for chads
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Learath2
I actually bootstrapped a netbsd installation remotely this way. Couldn't mount isos and they didnt have a netbsd image, so I wrote the netbsd install media onto the start of the harddisk and booted that into ram 😄
Cellegen 2022-08-24 10:49:59Z
uhoh bruh
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:50:03Z
I actually really love FreeBSD
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Learath2 2022-08-24 10:50:15Z
My very first OS other than Windows was FreeBSD
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:50:25Z
it's so powerful
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Learath2 2022-08-24 10:50:28Z
Sadly no gfx card support is a no go for me
10:50
I'm far too addicted to games
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:50:41Z
I understand why it's so used when it comes to networking or nas etc..
10:50
well linux improves everytime, so ig it's better now
10:51
but still bsd was a good winner
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Learath2
I'm far too addicted to games
pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:51:33Z
I am addicted to ddnet lol
10:51
I only play addictive games
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Learath2 2022-08-24 10:52:07Z
Ddnet is like crack for some people. A subset of people just cant seem to ever quit
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:53:22Z
Even tho it's not as exciting as the first hours
10:53
I still like it lol
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Cellegen 2022-08-24 10:53:28Z
Im addicted to Godot gigachad
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:53:39Z
Open source ✅
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Cellegen 2022-08-24 10:53:49Z
+ super flexible
10:54
you can write your own setup, option, classes, anything with plugins for each project. Just nice
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:54:46Z
Ddnet is my most played game on steam lol
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And probably will become the most played game ever
10:55
Minecraft is probably first
10:55
Quite possible
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Cellegen 2022-08-24 10:55:25Z
no minecraft on Steam cammo
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:55:44Z
Idk why this game is so good
10:56
It's literally a bunch of random bugs and features meant to be used in a completely different gameplay
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Cellegen 2022-08-24 10:56:26Z
they could implement a steam account merge and make their client more flexible towards accounts that way
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:56:45Z
java sux
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:56:52Z
Yup
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pilonpl
It's literally a bunch of random bugs and features meant to be used in a completely different gameplay
Cellegen 2022-08-24 10:56:56Z
sort of, they change performance most of the time duo to java being java
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:57:12Z
bedrock
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edition
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Cellegen 2022-08-24 10:57:17Z
uhoh
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:57:25Z
Chat reporting
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:57:32Z
well it's better, performance-wise
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 10:57:33Z
Free capes
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Cellegen 2022-08-24 10:57:40Z
no, that version don't exists anymore, since the merge happened
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:57:57Z
@Cellegen wut
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u mean bedrock edition?
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Cellegen 2022-08-24 10:58:15Z
also bs cuy bedrock had their own mechanics
10:58
yeah they merged bedrock accounts
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:58:38Z
yes but it's still 2 different versions
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Cellegen 2022-08-24 10:58:44Z
sort of
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:58:51Z
bedrock is written in C++ and works on many platforms
10:59
while you have the shitty java version in which you have to keep 15 different versions of jre (edited)
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Cellegen 2022-08-24 10:59:31Z
Oh, also spigot is cpp aint it?
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 10:59:41Z
spigot is a fork of java
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Cellegen 2022-08-24 11:00:02Z
nvm then, looked much better, than the vanilla shit
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 11:00:24Z
well all variants attempts to optimize it
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paperspigot is better tho
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also
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you won't run a good minecraft server without tuning your jre (passing arguments)
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Patiga
are there any automapper specifications out there? if I understand correctly, Teeworlds 0.7 has json file for automappers and DDNet has its own format?
k2d222 2022-08-24 12:12:25Z
made a formal grammar of the automap file format bcs I intend to have syntactic coloration and errors checking, I haven't tested it tough I just made it from the source code I can send it if ur interested
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Patiga 2022-08-24 12:12:55Z
that would be really helpful!
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k2d222 2022-08-24 12:13:57Z
there you go (may not be 100% perfect, as I said 🙂
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Patiga 2022-08-24 12:13:58Z
lets do a ieee standardization for it, when rfc? ^^
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k2d222 2022-08-24 12:14:14Z
aaah suuuuure 😅
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comments are a bit useless lol bcs it ignores every unrecognized lines / end of lines anyway
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Patiga 2022-08-24 12:16:14Z
I'm fine with being stricter than the client
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k2d222 2022-08-24 12:16:43Z
nice to hear that yes
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Patiga 2022-08-24 12:17:32Z
that would be a great addition to libtw/docs :)
12:17
I don't think there is even a proper documentation for what the different thigns mena
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for example, what is NoLayerCopy?
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k2d222 2022-08-24 12:19:42Z
not exactly sure yet, it makes a copy of the tiles layer but what does that imply concretely no idea
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Patiga 2022-08-24 12:20:48Z
hm I have never touched automappers before 😅
12:23
wait wth is the NOTINDEX -1 used in basic_freeze.rules
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ah it is EMPTY || FULL basically, just always
12:23
I would guess
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whack
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also whatalso what is the NONE in the indexlist, I can't find in any automapper files
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maybe I should start looking into the source ^^
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k2d222 2022-08-24 12:25:40Z
No flags, which is different than any flags
12:25
the code is not too complicated for the parsing at least
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Patiga 2022-08-24 12:26:53Z
so NONE and ε have the same effect there?
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k2d222 2022-08-24 12:27:45Z
no, ε is any, I think
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Patiga 2022-08-24 12:27:53Z
aah, right
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k2d222 2022-08-24 12:30:09Z
A thing that is a bit annoying I think (and confusion was discussed in #mapping ) is that XFLIP, YFLIP and ROTATE works like the map file format, but not like how the editor behave (e.g. ROTATE is clockwise, but rotating in editor is anticlockwise, and you can't use 2 ROTATE, there is no ROTATECCW etc.)
12:31
I think also it would maintain backwards compatibility with the current automap files if we added support for that
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... and xflip / yflip / vflip / hflip is a bit ambiguous
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Patiga 2022-08-24 12:32:08Z
in the MapDir format I represented the orientation with mirror: boolean, rotate: u32 (angle)
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k2d222 2022-08-24 12:32:28Z
mirror then rotate ?
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Patiga 2022-08-24 12:32:37Z
yup I think
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k2d222 2022-08-24 12:32:54Z
that's great
12:33
but ur rotate is not enum?
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Patiga 2022-08-24 12:33:45Z
well it gets parsed and only allows 0, 90, 180 and 270
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k2d222 2022-08-24 12:34:20Z
hmm ok, I would still have parsed to an enum bcs only 4 acceptable values
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Patiga 2022-08-24 12:34:34Z
well it has the same effect, no?
12:34
its json there
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"x": 0, "y": 0, "id": 1, "mirrored": false, "rotation": 128
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thats a tile in the mapdir format
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*the fields of a tile
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k2d222 2022-08-24 12:35:15Z
128?
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GitHub BOT 2022-08-24 12:35:24Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #5769 `sv_no_weak_hook_and_bounce 1` causes critical physics changes
@Jupeyy https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/35420825/186419628-1be63dd8-b7cd-4284-afbc-c60ba088580f.mp4
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Patiga 2022-08-24 12:35:25Z
oop, I randomly wrote that number
12:35
not sure what my brain did there
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k2d222 2022-08-24 12:35:32Z
haha see
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Patiga
well it has the same effect, no?
k2d222 2022-08-24 12:35:51Z
NO, cuz you can make brain farts lol
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Patiga 2022-08-24 12:36:18Z
heh in text format you can make errors with enums and number either way :p
12:36
only the conversion matters
12:36
(I'd say at least)
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k2d222 2022-08-24 12:37:12Z
yes actually I meant how you represent it in code, not json
12:37
you can have it represented as enum and parse from/to json as number
12:37
or whatever
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Patiga 2022-08-24 12:38:46Z
well its temporarely represented as DirTileFlags, but that struct isn't public. the MapDir format is just directly parsed into a TwMap
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#[derive(Serialize, Deserialize)] pub(crate) struct DirTileFlags { mirrored: bool, rotation: i32, }
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k2d222 2022-08-24 12:39:28Z
ok then its fine
12:40
whatever criticism I do about twmap, you always have reasons behind it
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Patiga 2022-08-24 12:40:48Z
I hope the reason also satisfies the criticism ^^
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k2d222 2022-08-24 12:41:04Z
it does
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Learath2 2022-08-24 12:50:35Z
fucking facebook...
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Chairn 2022-08-24 12:55:36Z
who cares about social features? I just wanna have fun with my VR headset
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k2d222 2022-08-24 12:56:46Z
being social is overrated, all you need is a dummy
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Patiga
wait wth is the NOTINDEX -1 used in basic_freeze.rules
Ravie 2022-08-24 13:33:26Z
-1 is outside the map
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13:34
used for example for placing stuff along the map's edge
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Learath2
fucking facebook...
deen 2022-08-24 13:36:34Z
Btw, there was an interview with John Carmack recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I845O57ZSy4 Haven't watched all of it yet, but the beginning had some fun parts from Masters of Doom book
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John Carmack: Doom, Quake, VR, AGI, Programming, Video Games, and R...
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Ravie
-1 is outside the map
k2d222 2022-08-24 13:57:26Z
that makes little sense to me and should def be documented somewhere
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Ravie 2022-08-24 13:58:15Z
@k2d222 that's how it works
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there are no tiles outside the map boundary but it's still useful to know if something is outside so they used -1 for it I guess
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k2d222 2022-08-24 14:00:41Z
but the number refers to a tile index not a position
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Ravie 2022-08-24 14:01:18Z
yeah
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it's sometimes useful to check if a coord lies outside the map
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k2d222 2022-08-24 14:02:52Z
could add a special keyword for that. I think I'll do a few backwards compatible PRs to enhance the syntax when I have time.
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Ravie 2022-08-24 14:04:09Z
it's fine tbh, but yeah automapper in general should be better documented
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k2d222 2022-08-24 14:05:22Z
I don't think FLIPX FLIPY ROTATE is a good way to rotate ccw from a user perspective (edited)
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Ravie 2022-08-24 14:08:43Z
maybe not but you can rotate a tile how you want in the editor and copy the flags into automapper so it's not that bad
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and after a while you remember it
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and after a while you remember it
k2d222 2022-08-24 14:10:35Z
meh, not that bad doesn't mean it shouldn't be improved upon. I don't think that's a good way to reason. It's a strong barrier to entry when things don't work the way you expect them to, especially when there is no technical reason for them not to (edited)
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The way (at least for me) I learn a new tool is by trying what is intuitive and how things work in similar tools. When I tried the ddnet editor I was very displeased and frustrated. Nothing there is intuitive, even though now that I now where things are it's easy to navigate.
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Ravie 2022-08-24 14:14:59Z
I mean, if the flags you write in the automapper don't match what you see in the editor it's still confusing
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k2d222 2022-08-24 14:18:06Z
You could have both the flags syntax (FLIPX, FLIPY, ROTATE) and additional keywords for convenience, like ROTATE_CW, ROTATE_CCW would also make sense to apply the flags in the order they are typed, e.g. if I write ROTATE FLIPX naturally I intend to rotate then flip
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Ravie 2022-08-24 14:19:11Z
a problem with ROTATE_CCW is when you wanna rotate multiple times
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Pos 0 0 INDEX 69 ROTATE_CCW ROTATE_CCW ROTATE_CCW
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I mean, if the flags you write in the automapper don't match what you see in the editor it's still confusing
k2d222 2022-08-24 14:20:17Z
I don't think that stands. The editor mostly abstracts away how it is represented in the map files, e.g. you can rotate multiple times, which will change the flip flags accordingly. If you say that does not match the editor, that means the editor does not a good job of abstracting that concept.
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people should not have to now how flags are internally used
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Pos 0 0 INDEX 69 ROTATE_CCW ROTATE_CCW ROTATE_CCW
k2d222 2022-08-24 14:21:24Z
how is that a problem?
14:21
besides being redundant with just ROTATE
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Ravie 2022-08-24 14:22:32Z
well one thing is it's ugly but also I guess you have to change how automappers are parsed
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k2d222 2022-08-24 14:22:57Z
not that much
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Patiga 2022-08-24 14:23:23Z
I think before extending the current format, we could think about switching to json like vanilla first
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simply because costum file formats are usually not preferable
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*custom
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k2d222 2022-08-24 14:24:12Z
if we change the format i.e. introduce breaking changes then PLEASE review the syntax
14:24
instead of just translating it
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Patiga 2022-08-24 14:25:02Z
yes, at least for the ddnet extensions
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I think it would be a good choice to be compatible with the teeworlds format, which has a subset of features
14:25
and, like you say, think about the syntax before extending it
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k2d222 2022-08-24 14:28:10Z
hmm in fact I would not be in favor for json, at least not in the current state. Sure, json is a readable file format but not really writable. Non-programmers cant write json, it's too restrictive (even programmers in fact). Before json, we would need at least an in-game automapper editor. like did you know you can't have a comma after the last item in the list?
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and it's very verbose
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Ravie 2022-08-24 14:30:37Z
it's not a good idea to change the format and make everyone's existing automappers obsolete
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k2d222 2022-08-24 14:31:19Z
agreed. It works well and it is far from a priority imo
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it's not a good idea to change the format and make everyone's existing automappers obsolete
Patiga 2022-08-24 14:33:05Z
correct, changing would usually include having backwards-compatibility however, because another format exists which could be more preferable, we should consider if switching would benefit us, before adding more features to the own format
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Ravie 2022-08-24 14:35:23Z
@Patiga btw do you remember the tool that Pulsar showed you? it already kind of accomplishes everything while keeping compatibility
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Patiga 2022-08-24 14:36:23Z
yes, but it is a different kind of tool
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it introduces yet another format for the automapper, which can be translated to the ddnet automapper format
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k2d222 2022-08-24 14:38:37Z
wow this is over-engineering at its best 😮 (looks seriously cool though)
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Patiga 2022-08-24 14:40:44Z
yeah I agree that the current format is easier to write by hand
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imo it should've used a proper format from the start
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but its too late for that now I guess
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k2d222 2022-08-24 14:41:29Z
Never too late™
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Patiga 2022-08-24 14:43:01Z
maybe something writeable shouldve been used, not sure what formats are there for that kind of thing
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maybe toml
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Simon 2022-08-24 15:29:06Z
15 cent per respawn💩
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gores speedrunners and unique server players gonna be insolvent in 2 hours
15:31
make the game profitable for me by... ...puting my money on the table? great idea
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GitHub BOT 2022-08-24 15:54:59Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5770 Fix physics change by weak hook fix (fixes #5769)

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  • [ ] Tested the change ingame
  • [ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
  • [ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
  • [ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
  • [ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
  • [ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
  • [ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-addres...
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5771 Fix weak bounce in move, improve vel change of bounce(when other char…
… is not inactive) @fokkonaut can u test this? also includes the fix as in #5770 however not really tested

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  • [ ] Tested the change ingame
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  • [ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
  • [ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
  • [ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
  • [ ] Changed no physics that affect existing map...
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 17:05:25Z
two different prs that solve same exact problem huh
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quite funny xd
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 17:06:12Z
no
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fokkonauts fixes generally the order of execution for non character entities
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i fixed unfair ::Move calls additionally, as they also make trouble
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but both fixes are needed
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Learath2 2022-08-24 17:07:40Z
If we will never have this for ddnet maps, I wonder if this whole change would be better in a branch instead of making the code harder to make sense of
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 17:09:11Z
well gamecore will never be changed anyway
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so why would it matter xd
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louis 2022-08-24 17:14:41Z
i say secretly apply weak hook fix to actual servers and see how many people complain
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Learath2 2022-08-24 17:16:33Z
anyone with any sense of the game at a high level would complain about a proper entity physics order fix
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louis 2022-08-24 17:17:33Z
yeah notice but more about how many complaints there are
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Patiga 2022-08-24 17:20:07Z
noticing and complaining go hand in hand for some
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louis 2022-08-24 17:22:10Z
true
17:22
i honestly don't know why people are reluctant to fix it though
17:23
most annoying 'bug' out of all current ones
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Chairn 2022-08-24 17:23:11Z
because it would invalidate all ranks
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louis 2022-08-24 17:23:30Z
not true
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Chairn 2022-08-24 17:23:55Z
why not?
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louis 2022-08-24 17:24:21Z
it doesn't really give a speed boost in any techniques other than flies and some overhead drags
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Chairn 2022-08-24 17:24:49Z
so it doesn't give a speed boost except for the most used fly technique, and that would not invalidate ranks?
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i have troubles following your logic
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Cipy29 2022-08-24 17:26:25Z
Everyone knows that teeworlds is a HUGE international game where every rank is pixel perfect and whwre everyone competes for a top spot
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troll
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Chairn
so it doesn't give a speed boost except for the most used fly technique, and that would not invalidate ranks?
louis 2022-08-24 17:26:51Z
for most speedruns you don't need 2 speedflies in a row alternating tees
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otherwise you can just plan beforehand to get the guy with strong on top
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so weak doesnt have an effect in the fly
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Everyone knows that teeworlds is a HUGE international game where every rank is pixel perfect and whwre everyone competes for a top spot
louis 2022-08-24 17:27:59Z
and yeah
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so weak doesnt have an effect in the fly
Chairn 2022-08-24 17:28:37Z
it does, you need a weak and a strong to fly correctly. Two strongs or two weaks won't work the same way
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Cipy29 2022-08-24 17:28:47Z
Just this year every rank got ACTUALLY invalidated compared to ALL previous ranks thanks to the discovery of pseudofly
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louis 2022-08-24 17:29:03Z
speedfly worked the same for me with the fix
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Cipy29 2022-08-24 17:29:03Z
Deleting weak has virtually 0 effect on ranks compared to that
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gerdoe
two different prs that solve same exact problem huh
fokkonaut 2022-08-24 17:29:37Z
yea, as jupstar said, my fix is for the issue i made and also linked in that commit
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https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/5769
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physics change in combination with other entities
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Chairn
it does, you need a weak and a strong to fly correctly. Two strongs or two weaks won't work the same way
fokkonaut 2022-08-24 17:32:14Z
exactly, thats what i was saying aswell in one issue
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louis
speedfly worked the same for me with the fix
fokkonaut 2022-08-24 17:32:32Z
cuz the fix didnt involve two actual strongs
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the tee bouncing is not fixed yet, only the hook strength
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Chairn 2022-08-24 17:33:46Z
i just don't understand why people want to get rid of a game mechanic instead of mastering it
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fokkonaut 2022-08-24 17:34:10Z
its definitely nice for other gametypes
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such as block, gores..
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Chairn
i just don't understand why people want to get rid of a game mechanic instead of mastering it
Patiga 2022-08-24 17:34:23Z
counter-intuitive, unsatisfying
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louis 2022-08-24 17:34:31Z
wym master weak
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its just not fun
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Chairn 2022-08-24 17:35:01Z
it makes no difference imo, you just need to think about who's driving
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louis 2022-08-24 17:36:22Z
yeah so removing it shouldn't make a difference either
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other than just making a lot of things easier
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 17:36:49Z
well if both players hook each others at the same time the order also matters again
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bcs both characters apply force to the other character
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if u want to make it 100% fair u have to break physics for weak and strong
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louis
yeah so removing it shouldn't make a difference either
fokkonaut 2022-08-24 17:37:39Z
why dont u listen to chairn or me
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Chairn
it does, you need a weak and a strong to fly correctly. Two strongs or two weaks won't work the same way
fokkonaut 2022-08-24 17:37:55Z
.
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https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/4575#issuecomment-1226009249
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This alone invalidates your argument of "just remove it it wont make a difference"
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@louis
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louis 2022-08-24 17:40:13Z
there aren't that many maps that depend on it
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fokkonaut
why dont u listen to chairn or me
fokkonaut 2022-08-24 17:41:29Z
xddddddddddd
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Ravie 2022-08-24 17:42:14Z
why not just fix weak properly for new maps going forward but enable it as a legacy feature in currently released maps
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fokkonaut
xddddddddddd
louis 2022-08-24 17:43:14Z
i mean i see the first point
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but can u be more specific by what u mean by that
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Ravie
why not just fix weak properly for new maps going forward but enable it as a legacy feature in currently released maps
fokkonaut 2022-08-24 17:43:31Z
Thats. Not. Possible.
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louis 2022-08-24 17:43:34Z
i dont think there are many maps that will be broken with any fix (edited)
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louis
i dont think there are many maps that will be broken with any fix (edited)
fokkonaut 2022-08-24 17:43:53Z
this is the least issue, it could always be enabled for new maps only
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the issue is that its simply not possible to actually fix it
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fokkonaut
Thats. Not. Possible.
Ravie 2022-08-24 17:44:18Z
why not lol
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fokkonaut 2022-08-24 17:45:08Z
Look
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Ravie 2022-08-24 17:45:24Z
nothing that a big ole if statement can't fix troll
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k2d222 2022-08-24 17:45:33Z
Ain't no bug yo can't squash
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 17:45:34Z
its possible as long as its a 1 tee hooks another situation
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but not if multiple hooks are in
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so for gores the fix is good enough
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for ddrace with many players maybe not already
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fokkonaut 2022-08-24 17:46:03Z
It's not possible because hammerfly also relies on the weak collision of the hammerer
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so it would change the whole thing
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if everyone collides strongly now
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 17:46:26Z
yeah and for bounce its bit harder true
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fokkonaut 2022-08-24 17:46:35Z
the problem are the bounces @Ravie
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not the hook strength
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Ravie 2022-08-24 17:46:51Z
fix them too 🤷
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fokkonaut 2022-08-24 17:47:00Z
thats not possible, as i said
17:47
just learn to read properly
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Learath2 2022-08-24 17:47:10Z
It's not impossible, we write the code. If you are willing to break old ranks or only fix it for new maps
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 17:47:26Z
yes but its defs new physics then
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fokkonaut 2022-08-24 17:47:34Z
Yea, but still, it would be a different feeling if both tees collide strongly while hf
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= physics change
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= not wanted
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Jupstar ✪
yes but its defs new physics then
Learath2 2022-08-24 17:47:43Z
Exactly, if we are willing to do that we can definitely do it
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 17:47:48Z
yes
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if we willing we can also drop macos and windows support xdddd
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Ravie 2022-08-24 17:48:14Z
people can get used to new physics as long as it's not radically different, a good example is new hammer
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Learath2 2022-08-24 17:48:17Z
If we only do it for new maps then we won't break ranks either, but I doubt many people will enjoy the new physics
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Ravie
people can get used to new physics as long as it's not radically different, a good example is new hammer
fokkonaut 2022-08-24 17:48:28Z
But thats not a real physics change
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Thats just a gameplay change
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Learath2 2022-08-24 17:48:34Z
It might feel way too different after we are done fixing all the physics asymmetries
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 17:48:40Z
does kog use your fix @fokkonaut ?
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or 0.7 style
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Learath2
It might feel way too different after we are done fixing all the physics asymmetries
fokkonaut 2022-08-24 17:48:58Z
I use 0.7 style? :D
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KoG uses some other fix
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Learath2
It might feel way too different after we are done fixing all the physics asymmetries
fokkonaut 2022-08-24 17:49:57Z
I actually did a both strong collision fix locally, it wasnt working perfectly, but hammerfly was way different, every few hits you would get a higher hit cuz of the bouncing
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I really wouldnt mess with that, I would rather go for "player who hooks first has strong"
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I actually did a both strong collision fix locally, it wasnt working perfectly, but hammerfly was way different, every few hits you would get a higher hit cuz of the bouncing
Learath2 2022-08-24 17:50:22Z
Yeah, I can see that happening
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fokkonaut
I really wouldnt mess with that, I would rather go for "player who hooks first has strong"
fokkonaut 2022-08-24 17:50:45Z
strong bounce*
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With the config being enabled I would make strong hook for everyone and strong bounce for the first hooking player of two each
17:51
That would do least trouble and fix 99%
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& would change behaviour when it comes to flying
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gokussj 2022-08-24 17:51:42Z
Why you guys want change this if people dont want it? https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/420565311863914496/800298947939401748
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fokkonaut
& would change behaviour when it comes to flying
fokkonaut 2022-08-24 17:51:58Z
It would just need to be implemented properly, throughout the whole code that does colliding & hooking
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Learath2 2022-08-24 17:52:04Z
Either way. Eventhough I don't like the asymmetry, I wouldn't touch it with a 6 foot pole. It changes a lot of the feel of the game and the current physics just feels great
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fokkonaut 2022-08-24 17:52:34Z
F3
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Ravie 2022-08-24 17:52:40Z
except weak hook
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and some occasional ID bugs
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and probably a few other things
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gokussj
Why you guys want change this if people dont want it? https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/420565311863914496/800298947939401748
Learath2 2022-08-24 17:53:21Z
Well asymmetries bug developers, it's a bug we want to get rid of bugs. However, as you can see people didn't want it so it wasn't touched
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gokussj
Why you guys want change this if people dont want it? https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/420565311863914496/800298947939401748
louis 2022-08-24 17:54:14Z
that suggestion wasn't the same as removing weak
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it was just a rly jank way of avoiding weak
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Learath2 2022-08-24 17:55:01Z
It's also extremely unintuitive to new players. E.g. when falling sometimes hooking the tee below you will stop you both, sometimes it won't. No explanation of it visually whatsoever
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bounces and stuff are even more unintuitive than the hook, some hidden variable changes how high you bounce when you fall onto a tee 😄
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gokussj
Why you guys want change this if people dont want it? https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/420565311863914496/800298947939401748
louis 2022-08-24 17:56:27Z
plus this discord is filled with oldies so obviously the vote will be biased quite a lot
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fokkonaut 2022-08-24 17:56:34Z
https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/3517
Fix weak hooks by Banana090 · Pull Request #3517 · ddnet/ddnet
Again disappointed in the community, so doesn't care. But here is the working version. The way it works: -If you hook someone you gain strong -If you hook someone while he's already hooking...
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This does the bouncing based on who hooks first
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It's probably not implemented correctly throughout the whole code, but it's some sort of PoC
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ofc should be implemented with config option
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 17:58:03Z
does it atleast change the order permanetially once u hooked first?
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else its even more mess xD
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fokkonaut 2022-08-24 17:58:10Z
i hope
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but it looks like
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Learath2 2022-08-24 17:58:23Z
I want to do a poll about people using old versions and see why they are sticking to them
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 17:58:40Z
ppl believe in ghosts
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nothing more to say
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fokkonaut 2022-08-24 17:58:54Z
sp someone told me he sticks to ddnet 14 cuz he doesnt want all the bloat like steam video recorder and discord xsdxdd
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Jupstar ✪
nothing more to say
Learath2 2022-08-24 17:59:24Z
I want to see if there are some blocking issues with our client that we can fix
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Learath2
I want to do a poll about people using old versions and see why they are sticking to them
Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 17:59:38Z
if u and me are 100% honest, if we just abandoned old verisions.. shutdown all services they might update
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u either force it, or there will be ppl who dont care
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a friend used an old version for 3 years bcs he was too lazy to press update
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Jupstar ✪
u either force it, or there will be ppl who dont care
fokkonaut 2022-08-24 18:01:21Z
On my server I only allow version starting from... let me lie... i believe ddnet 14. And I dont do all of the backwards compatibility that ddnet does, I support latest release 100%, everything below I wont promise works without problems (there shouldnt be big issues, but smaller inconveniences might happen)
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 18:01:57Z
it would also bloat our code less
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we do so many branches for old versions only
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Jupstar ✪
if u and me are 100% honest, if we just abandoned old verisions.. shutdown all services they might update
Learath2 2022-08-24 18:03:03Z
Eh, other admins believe in backwards compatibility for eternity. I wanted to do the poll to see if I could get them to accept a cut-off maybe
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Like we only support the last 3-4 majors
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fokkonaut 2022-08-24 18:03:16Z
I do a little compatibility code, for example for the switchstate stuff
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 18:03:22Z
i think deen is 50:50, heinrich is 100% backward
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fokkonaut
I do a little compatibility code, for example for the switchstate stuff
fokkonaut 2022-08-24 18:03:32Z
cuz people with older clients would just dont see the doors otherwise xd
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 18:03:38Z
i am for 1 major change every 2 years xd
18:03
thats more than enough support
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fokkonaut 2022-08-24 18:04:18Z
We really need a client capabilities message, so the client can tell the server which features it supports. Doing it based on clientversion is so bad
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Chairn
it makes no difference imo, you just need to think about who's driving
gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:09:12Z
uhm i think this will end up with new pseudofly
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new physics can change flying part at all
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also predictions
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don't forget about them
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:30:20Z
Aren't predictions based on physics ???
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LOL
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pilonpl
Aren't predictions based on physics ???
gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:32:47Z
try to hammerfly on kog servers
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u will see that tees are teleporting after every hammer
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:33:40Z
Predictions have nothing to do with that
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Probably
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Why would they
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:34:07Z
if there was no prediction at all they would teleport every n ms
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after every packet reach
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:34:26Z
And?
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:34:42Z
predictions depends on game physics
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:34:50Z
Yes, that's the point
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:35:05Z
u cant predict falling from top without knowledge about vertical speed
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:35:05Z
Server side physics should be the same as client side physics
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:35:18Z
there is no physics in client
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Learath2 2022-08-24 18:35:32Z
the gamecore is shared, so there is physics in the client
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:35:45Z
there has to be
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:35:54Z
ah sure
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:36:02Z
The game wouldn't work without a physics engine
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:36:11Z
it can
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gerdoe
if there was no prediction at all they would teleport every n ms
gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:36:18Z
this
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and u would have pure client
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Learath2 2022-08-24 18:36:36Z
if you do cl_predict 0 you can see what it'd look like if the client doesn't know anything about the physics
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:36:59Z
localhost + cl_predict 0 <3
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:37:38Z
Predictions only predict inputs, right?
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:37:46Z
what
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they predict every entity in world
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that u see of course
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Learath2 2022-08-24 18:38:08Z
Antiping predicts even more than vanilla
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:38:12Z
Physic engine should always be active lol
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Some sort of predictions always have to be active
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:40:04Z
xd
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i reread ur sarcastic question
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and only now realized what did you mean
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:42:47Z
The game always has to predict the physics
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And you can't disable that
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Right?
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:43:33Z
u can
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cl_predict 0
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:43:40Z
You can only disable predicting inputs
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:43:44Z
no
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its ALL entities predictions off
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try it urself
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:44:19Z
It's not possible to disable from the settings
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:44:29Z
f1 -> cl_predict 0
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:44:41Z
Ok
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But it's not in the settings
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There is no point in disabling it
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:45:15Z
u asked "can i" i said "yes u can"
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whats the point of ur question then
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:45:27Z
Physics are 100% deterministic
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:45:48Z
quantize after and before every packet reach
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:45:52Z
Ok, you can but that's not meant to be disabled
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:46:07Z
its meant to
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there is if branch with g_Congig.ClPredict or somewhat
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:46:37Z
Isn't the game extremely laggy with that off?
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:46:44Z
g_Config*
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pilonpl
Isn't the game extremely laggy with that off?
gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:46:54Z
yep
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:47:36Z
Anyways, if you change the physics you aromatically updates the predictions too
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:48:14Z
afair client does some extra calculations and prediction code needs to be touched after major physics change
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but i don't know is it right
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if Learath is still here he will answer xd
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:48:44Z
Probably not, that doesn't make any sense
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Why use extra stuff if you already have the thing?
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I think we should delete weak hook
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It's not fun at all
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:51:20Z
lets delete wallhammer also
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:51:24Z
And it doesn't change all that much
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:51:29Z
and edge hooks
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:51:30Z
Wallhammer is fun
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:51:37Z
bunch of bugs
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:51:43Z
Edge hooks are fun
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pilonpl
Why use extra stuff if you already have the thing?
gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:52:47Z
cuz client stuff and server stuff are not identical
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:53:01Z
Physics have to be the same
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:53:07Z
they're same
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but client reacts this way
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and server reacts either way
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then i don't know why ddnet needs prediction folder in src/game/client
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lightweight version of ph. engine
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:54:48Z
Maybe for predicting inputs
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:55:06Z
inputs are in gameclient.cpp
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yay trml will tell us the truth <3
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:55:42Z
Idk, source code is complicated
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And i don't speak c++
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trml 2022-08-24 18:56:05Z
physics are not separated from the rest of the code, thats why there are currently two copies of much of same code
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:56:27Z
Interesting
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Isn't that a bad code design?
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trml 2022-08-24 18:56:50Z
but largest problem is perhaps not changing the code but backwards compatibility with older clients who run old physics (if you change anything)
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:57:13Z
So physics should be as much isolated as possible
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So it's easy to change it
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trml 2022-08-24 18:57:34Z
yes, but teeworlds was designed not to have prediction (for anything outside the gamecore)
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:58:08Z
So we need a rewrite, nice
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trml 2022-08-24 18:58:19Z
ideally it would have been written with separate physics code originally, but perhaps it was not considered important then
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:58:31Z
Yup
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So we need a rewrite, nice
gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:58:36Z
only after abandoning old client support i think
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trml 2022-08-24 18:58:38Z
(also vanilla tw still doesn't predict most of what ddnet does)
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 18:59:20Z
If we want to have multiple physics instances we probably need to isolate that
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(also vanilla tw still doesn't predict most of what ddnet does)
gerdoe 2022-08-24 18:59:25Z
standard ddnet prediction is vanilla stuff + ddnet stuff (freeze draggers and so on) isnt it
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or you mean antiping this way
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 19:00:03Z
Antiping predicts inputs
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trml 2022-08-24 19:00:06Z
yes, movement/jump/collision/hook/etc = vanilla, grenades/pickups/other entities=ddnet
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Antiping predicts inputs
pilonpl 2022-08-24 19:00:20Z
And granade paths for some reason
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Idk actually
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It predictis something ok? Lol
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 19:00:58Z
pilonpl try to surf code once
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or try to make your own mod
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 19:01:08Z
Ok
19:01
Ill try
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 19:01:11Z
u will understand every part of tw after that
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trml 2022-08-24 19:01:16Z
on the physics side, vanilla has everything ddnet does except grenade/laser/pickups/freeze and ddnet entities/tiles
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 19:01:25Z
(beside render backends)
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 19:01:28Z
Where should i start lol
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 19:01:38Z
src/game/server/*
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 19:01:42Z
Ok
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I want to contribute at some point i think
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 19:02:24Z
try to remake /r
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its still buggy
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 19:02:51Z
Ok, so which file is the most important lol
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 19:03:16Z
character.cpp afair
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 19:04:25Z
Would be great if there were comments
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Or something
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pilonpl
Ok, so which file is the most important lol
fokkonaut 2022-08-24 19:05:16Z
Completely depends on what you're trying to do
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 19:05:27Z
Well
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Understand the code
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I don't even know c++ but ill figure it out hopefully lol
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fokkonaut 2022-08-24 19:05:55Z
well
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thats tough then xD
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 19:06:05Z
Yup
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I know
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 19:06:10Z
gamecontroller.h/cpp and gamecontext.h/cpp
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fokkonaut 2022-08-24 19:06:10Z
Do you code in general?
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 19:06:12Z
So maybe ill find chat commands
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 19:06:16Z
most important for server i think
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 19:06:18Z
And find /r
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trml 2022-08-24 19:06:19Z
I dont think there is anyone who understands 100% of the code, so better to focus at one part at a time
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fokkonaut 2022-08-24 19:06:21Z
src/gae/server/ddracechat
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 19:06:23Z
\r ?
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Idk even
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 19:06:28Z
gae
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trml
I dont think there is anyone who understands 100% of the code, so better to focus at one part at a time
fokkonaut 2022-08-24 19:06:49Z
I'd say I understand and have worked with most parts of the code already, but antiping is definitely up to you my friend :)
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pilonpl
\r ?
gerdoe 2022-08-24 19:06:53Z
logic of /r should be inside character.cpp
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 19:07:04Z
Great
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Also why is the GitHub app so bad
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They had only one job
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 19:07:40Z
don't use mobile apps
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pilonpl
They had only one job
pilonpl 2022-08-24 19:07:58Z
Make it easy to browse the code
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Ddnet code specifically
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 19:08:26Z
firefox + github.com is nicer
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 19:08:48Z
Also there is no search feature
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Wtf
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I found SetRescue
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I'd say I understand and have worked with most parts of the code already, but antiping is definitely up to you my friend :)
trml 2022-08-24 19:11:11Z
I sometimes think I understand most of the code until I look up the snapshot packing system, graphics pipelines, etc
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fokkonaut 2022-08-24 19:11:23Z
xDDDD
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ok true
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but those are more special parts haha
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trml 2022-08-24 19:11:52Z
of course^^
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 19:12:10Z
snapshot packing was explained by heinrich in libtw2
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or not
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i remember libtw2 helped a lot in try of understanding snaphots
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trml 2022-08-24 19:12:41Z
nice
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 19:12:42Z
Wtf does this code even mean, what are these variables and what is "this"
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I found rescue
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trml 2022-08-24 19:15:24Z
what languages do you know? C++ is object oriented (CCharacter is a class, "this" is the object), it also has pointers like in C ("this" is a pointer here)
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 19:15:57Z
Well
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I know what oop is
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I don't know how pointers work tho lOl
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pilonpl
Wtf does this code even mean, what are these variables and what is "this"
Ryozuki 2022-08-24 19:17:56Z
"this" means the instance of the class
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trml 2022-08-24 19:17:58Z
pointers are sort of like references. like "do something with x" instead of "make a copy of x and then do something with that copy" (x could be a value, an object, etc)
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Ryozuki 2022-08-24 19:18:43Z
@pilonpl CCharacter is a class, imagine a Class being a factory, and it produces robots, "this" literally means the active robot
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this is explained for dummies
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"this" means the instance of the class
pilonpl 2022-08-24 19:18:53Z
Ok, i know now, i didn't know it was a class
19:20
There is also this -> notation
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What the m_ means?
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Ryozuki 2022-08-24 19:21:18Z
https://wiki.ddnet.org/wiki/Development
Development
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read a bit
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 19:21:41Z
Oh nice
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trml 2022-08-24 19:21:51Z
its shorthand for "member", to indicate that its a (member) variable stored in an object. but it's just a convention to call the variables "m_"
19:22
oh, we have documentation
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Ryozuki 2022-08-24 19:22:19Z
kinda yeah
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if you want to add feel free!
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trml 2022-08-24 19:22:54Z
nice, will take a look some time
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 19:22:56Z
Smart naming
19:25
Ok, so CCharacter represents every tee
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trml 2022-08-24 19:28:23Z
the "->" (defererence operator) gets the value pointed to by that pointer (rather than the memory address the value is stored at). but the C/C++ pointer syntax was unintuitive for me for a quite a long time when learning C...
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 19:30:24Z
This is so complicated lol
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Would be easier if i knew more about c++
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trml 2022-08-24 19:30:54Z
yes, and most of the tee physics happens inside "CCharacter::Tick()", which is called by the server every time the physics is stepped forward one step
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Voxel 2022-08-24 19:30:56Z
same, but i decide to code here anyways
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 19:31:34Z
And wtf is a friend class
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I can use google ofc
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Ok, so CCharacter represents every tee
Ryozuki 2022-08-24 19:32:57Z
it represents the body
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aka it only exists when the tee is alive
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 19:33:21Z
Sure
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Makes sense
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Ryozuki 2022-08-24 19:33:31Z
then there is CPlayer
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it stores data that lives through the tee death
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 19:33:59Z
Interesting
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Ryozuki 2022-08-24 19:34:43Z
https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/src/game/server/player.h
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yes, and most of the tee physics happens inside "CCharacter::Tick()", which is called by the server every time the physics is stepped forward one step
gerdoe 2022-08-24 19:39:48Z
CCharacterCore*
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CCharacterCore*
trml 2022-08-24 19:41:47Z
yes, but CCharacterCore::Tick() is technically called from inside CCharacter::Tick(), so I just skipped the details:P
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 19:42:12Z
ah xd
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im sorry then
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trml 2022-08-24 19:42:35Z
nono np^^, u are technically correct too
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 19:43:10Z
also is it possible now (after adding weakhook patch) parallelize physics?
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Deeper 2022-08-24 19:43:47Z
is it possible to do something like this in vote-menu?
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 19:44:09Z
and after some kind of experiment i can say that server can handle 256 players/characters but client not
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trml 2022-08-24 19:44:37Z
I think some steps like ::Move() cant be parallelized, but perhaps the rest can (havent looked at the patch yet)
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 19:44:54Z
yeah im also
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but if its "right" patch (making copy of current world state and move charavter in it, but maybe its not right at all xd) i think it can be parallelized
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is it possible to do something like this in vote-menu?
Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 19:46:46Z
possibe: yes someone doing it: not high chance xd
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development is rather slow currently ^^
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Deeper
is it possible to do something like this in vote-menu?
Voxel 2022-08-24 19:47:43Z
i mean yea but that would involve downloading the map image
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 19:48:21Z
you can make it optional if you will implement it
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so no problems :p
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the real thing is to do in game map filter
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median time top time stars and so on
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 19:51:36Z
we just need electron
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Deeper
is it possible to do something like this in vote-menu?
Learath2 2022-08-24 19:51:50Z
I wanted to make something like this, but other people weren't into the idea I had
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I wanted to fetch the listing and the images from an external api, other people wanted it to happen in the game protocl
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protocol
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gerdoe 2022-08-24 19:53:40Z
poll?
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 19:58:50Z
Api would be better
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Ravie 2022-08-24 20:08:30Z
I made this long ago
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Voxel 2022-08-24 20:10:20Z
That's very nice looking!
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 20:11:04Z
Omg
20:11
No one needs that
20:11
But would be cool
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I am talking about kobra maps ofc, the new ui is totally useless
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Lol
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Btw i kinda understand how /r works
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Voxel 2022-08-24 20:13:40Z
tbh i really wanna help with UI overhaul. it feels like we're at a point where ppl want one
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 20:14:20Z
I think we need accounts more
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You don't use the ui all that often
what 3
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There was a HUD update lately
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louis 2022-08-24 20:15:17Z
the map browser thing is aesthetically nice
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 20:15:22Z
That's what you see all the time
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louis 2022-08-24 20:15:27Z
but yeah accounts + profile ui would be cool
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i think demo ui could be improved
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and editor ui
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 20:16:34Z
Idk if corners should be rounded
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Rounded corners look childish i guess
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Idk
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Lol
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Voxel 2022-08-24 20:17:07Z
if i had a paid figma account i would want to get a bunch of ppl together and actually start brainstorming UI ideas
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 20:17:11Z
depends on the amount of roundings
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louis 2022-08-24 20:17:30Z
figma nuts
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 20:17:36Z
Windows 11 broke everything
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louis 2022-08-24 20:17:49Z
btw anyone wanna make tee character mod in rivals of aether
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 20:18:08Z
Before win 11 i would consider rounded corners bad
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depends on the amount of roundings
Voxel 2022-08-24 20:18:47Z
i agree. a little rounding isnt bad, but if it gets too rounded then it becomes problematic
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Cipy29 2022-08-24 20:19:10Z
Discord does it well
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 20:19:42Z
Yup
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I wanted to fetch the listing and the images from an external api, other people wanted it to happen in the game protocl
fokkonaut 2022-08-24 20:20:34Z
api better
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 20:21:04Z
We need windows
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Ravie 2022-08-24 20:21:16Z
I'm also not a fan of too much rounding but had to match tw style
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 20:21:16Z
Like in openttd
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Voxel 2022-08-24 20:21:47Z
Also I think I'm done replacing all the demo_button type images with font icons. Chairn said for me to add in a tooltips bar at the bottom of demo player but that's irrelevant for the PR
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Ravie
I made this long ago
pilonpl 2022-08-24 20:21:54Z
It looks like a roblox game
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 20:22:08Z
and ddnet roundings are the worst
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Ravie 2022-08-24 20:22:43Z
at least teeworlds/ddnet has its own ui style which makes the roundings tolerable, but all apps with rounded corners nowadays look like some electron trash
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Voxel 2022-08-24 20:23:07Z
i think it's because of the transparent backgrounds
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 20:23:11Z
well css allows anything u want
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i dont know how that is considered trash
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electron is trash bcs its like 900mb and uses 2000 tb RAM
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Ravie 2022-08-24 20:24:37Z
I just noticed that visually many apps and websites nowadays overdo rounded corners to a disgusting degree, especially electron apps
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 20:24:52Z
Give an example
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Ravie 2022-08-24 20:25:04Z
discord
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circles everywhere, disgusting
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Voxel 2022-08-24 20:25:29Z
discord desktop is fine but mobile version is definitely a lot more rounded
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 20:25:29Z
Circles are ok
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 20:25:53Z
this looks clean IMO
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Devinci 2022-08-24 20:25:55Z
oh wow I jsut realised discord had circles
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 20:26:00Z
Maybe something beside discord
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 20:26:10Z
i've no idea what game that is xd
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Voxel 2022-08-24 20:26:21Z
overwatch
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Jupstar ✪
this looks clean IMO
k2d222 2022-08-24 20:26:23Z
blur ugh so 2009
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Jupstar ✪
this looks clean IMO
Ravie 2022-08-24 20:26:32Z
a little bland
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 20:26:36Z
true
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not useful for ddnet
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Ravie 2022-08-24 20:26:48Z
but that's mostly about colors, I would make it pop more
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 20:27:10Z
I like the ui in openttd ngl
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Gmod
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 20:30:40Z
uff
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 20:30:50Z
Too white
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 20:30:51Z
bit more padding between the elements
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also color choice is rather bad imo
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pilonpl
I like the ui in openttd ngl
funman 2022-08-24 20:31:33Z
Fellow openttd enjoyer
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 20:31:33Z
but yeah thats also an issue with ddnet, everything is too big
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wastes too much space
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 20:32:07Z
Too big?
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Interesting
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I always thought everything was too small
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Especially text
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 20:32:51Z
tw vs my ide
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i can read both fine enough
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Ravie 2022-08-24 20:32:59Z
not an issue if more space isn't needed
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Voxel 2022-08-24 20:33:21Z
your ide is TINY imo
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 20:33:36Z
u have to use full resolution ofc
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i'd defs merge filter into server details, the user stuff is way too big
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 20:34:19Z
Another game
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Ravie 2022-08-24 20:34:32Z
@Jupstar ✪ is your screen big? cause I guess desktop programs are dpi aware and tw isn't
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 20:34:36Z
the search exclude etc wastes too much space too
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Chairn 2022-08-24 20:34:50Z
ide is way too small for me
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@Jupstar ✪ is your screen big? cause I guess desktop programs are dpi aware and tw isn't
Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 20:35:00Z
yes thats true, and yes it is big, but tw is even big on my phone xD
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its simply oversized
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Ravie 2022-08-24 20:35:18Z
for example on my laptop screen stuff isn't that big at all
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 20:35:53Z
Another not very popular game
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Wtf even is that lol
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It looks like it was made for mobile
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Ravie 2022-08-24 20:37:15Z
I guess tw ui was developed for 800x600 displays so naturally it works better on smaller screens
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Chairn 2022-08-24 20:38:28Z
tw was developed when HD screen were not a thing yet
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 20:38:36Z
it was developed on c64 with 120x60 pixels i cannot explain otherwise
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it was indeed 2 years before the smart phone revolution came 😄
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 20:39:15Z
Imo the ui is good enough
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 20:39:39Z
it looks good, bcs of the background map xD
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 20:39:41Z
But maybe i am too new to this game
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 20:39:43Z
turn it off and it sucks xD
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 20:41:03Z
I mean yeah, its not very good but you look at it only for a minute or something like that
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it looks good, bcs of the background map xD
Cipy29 2022-08-24 20:41:35Z
Haha I actually did something at some point that made me not have the bg map on and i was like "wtf is this shit" kek
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tw vs my ide
ReiTW 2022-08-24 20:42:36Z
nice idea
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turn tw into visual studio
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new tab
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 20:43:08Z
Has anyone made black apple in tw?
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Voxel 2022-08-24 20:43:12Z
I made a concept UI a bit ago about a revamped demo player. I do agree, it looks better within the context of DDNet. On its own, it's way too.. rounded at the sides.
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 20:43:26Z
Yesss, windows
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Let's use imgui
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 20:43:43Z
i'd already be happy if our ui components would have better logic, its always annoying to code with them also we have no real dropdown etc. that sucks xD and making one is actually hard bcs immediate mode sucks for stuff like that XD
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we dont have what DOM has with bubbling mouse events etc
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 20:44:02Z
Imgui
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 20:44:52Z
if it wouldnt be so ugly xD
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 20:46:03Z
Let's make teegui then
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 20:46:09Z
ok nice
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Learath2 2022-08-24 20:47:22Z
Yeah keeping state is annoying in immediate mode
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but presentation state never disagreeing with logic state is so pleasant
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-08-24 20:48:24Z
well then use react ^^ thats the whole sense of that framework
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but sadly javascript
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so 900MB extra xddd
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Learath2 2022-08-24 20:50:54Z
I'd love to make some generic wrappers for some of the stuff one day
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Every single thing on the UI has it's own way of doing state
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Voxel 2022-08-24 20:52:10Z
yeah i'm noticing how inconsistent the UI rendering process is
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i don't think i'm helping with my newest PR xd
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pilonpl 2022-08-24 20:57:34Z
Ill try to compile my own ddnet client
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Or server
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Whatever
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Another ddnet client wouldn't hurt i guess
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I will add a new command
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That prints a message
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:0
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Why not
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louis 2022-08-24 21:16:23Z
rounding is fine to me ngl
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too many squares is kinda sharp and boring
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Voxel 2022-08-24 21:25:53Z
why is this treated as an error in clang format
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why is this treated as an error in clang format
Cipy29 2022-08-24 21:33:06Z
-warnings-as-errors
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Voxel 2022-08-24 21:34:33Z
yea but.. whats the issue? isnt this how that function supposed to work?
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 21:35:34Z
looks like he wants u to write != 0
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ah I see
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you're doing a ternary operation when this is useless af
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instead of doing the ternary operation, he asks you to put directly var != 0)
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Voxel 2022-08-24 21:40:02Z
ohhh okay. weird
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 21:40:26Z
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well the 1st explains it well
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why use ternary when != 0 returns a boolean
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Voxel 2022-08-24 21:41:04Z
i think i understand now
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adding this to my list of c++ knowledge
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before i submit this fix tho i want to find a way where i can change an icon depending on if it's a parent folder
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this is what i have in mind. currently the symbols are determined by a ternary function. i just need to find a way to detect a parent folder (edited)
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 21:45:41Z
Is that even necessary
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Ah ingame
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Thought the icon on the system xd
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Voxel 2022-08-24 21:46:19Z
at first when I saw this i thought this was another folder until i clicked it
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so i want a way to indicate this is a previous folder
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 21:46:42Z
../ indicates it
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Voxel 2022-08-24 21:46:52Z
i didnt know what ../ meant
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 21:46:57Z
Only if ur a linux user
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xD
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unix based
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Voxel 2022-08-24 21:47:11Z
shrugs
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most people who play this aren't linux devs
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ReiTW 2022-08-24 21:47:35Z
Maybe check whenever that line is generated
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Voxel 2022-08-24 21:48:38Z
the only way that's detected is by literally reading the filename LOL (edited)
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I made this long ago
Cellegen 2022-08-24 22:10:28Z
this, and adding picture support to it and you have a new moderm voting window (edited)
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