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Between 2022-08-17 00:00:00Z and 2022-08-18 00:00:00Z
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Learath2
I literally told you I wanted to accept your application and I’d keep an eye on your behaviour until the next round of applications to see if there was any merit to the reports I received about you. All you had to do was to keep playing and just re-apply at a future date. Yet you went on some rant about the other mods. The way you acted here is very similar to the reports I got about you: Impulsive and gets irrationally angry. Disappointing to say the least
funman 2022-08-17 04:48:28Z
everything which i have seen him say seems reasonable especially considering the language barrier. I think you are completely misrepresenting the tone in which he was speaking
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lynn
i just want a community team, not only moderation :P
funman 2022-08-17 04:54:45Z
yeah i was thinking of trying to become a ictf/vanilla mod not because i need to ban people, but because of a more direct line to the admins. But then i realized that it doesnt seem to be any different
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^ me seeing lerath typing and untyping a message for the last 10 minutes
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Learath2 2022-08-17 04:56:31Z
His tone isn't the issue here. Him dragging other mods and other applicants through the mud is what I take issue with. Especially given I actually explained my decision to him in private, and gave him a fair recourse that requires no extra effort for him
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funman 2022-08-17 04:58:23Z
Its not that he is dragging anyone, just pointing out someone got accepted with like only 40 hours
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idk much about the moderation team but it does seem weird to me that someone is able to be mod with so few hours
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Learath2 2022-08-17 04:59:19Z
Because I got assurances that the accepted person will behave in a sane manner, will be active enough to be useful and most important of all is trustworthy
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funman 2022-08-17 05:00:07Z
I do think its better if they are more part of the community
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which i would think would be tough with only 40 hours
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but who cares at the end of the day
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funman
yeah i was thinking of trying to become a ictf/vanilla mod not because i need to ban people, but because of a more direct line to the admins. But then i realized that it doesnt seem to be any different
lynn 2022-08-17 05:01:04Z
yep and then you do get the direct line and you cant do anything with it xD
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traffic jam
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that was my experience
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i just dont think im meant to "moderate"
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that wasn't my idea of helping the community
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funman 2022-08-17 05:01:49Z
I want to help the community grow and new players learn
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:01:55Z
well, i did build trust with deen and heinrich
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funman 2022-08-17 05:02:01Z
but being mod doesnt seem like it will help at all in my goals
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:02:02Z
but doesnt mean anything if not everyone is in accordance
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funman 2022-08-17 05:02:13Z
pvp tab tho
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funman
I want to help the community grow and new players learn
lynn 2022-08-17 05:02:14Z
absolutely same here
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funman
I do think its better if they are more part of the community
Learath2 2022-08-17 05:02:15Z
Sure, and if we had good applicants with more gametime we'd prefer that aswell
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funman 2022-08-17 05:02:16Z
would be dope
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Learath2
Sure, and if we had good applicants with more gametime we'd prefer that aswell
funman 2022-08-17 05:02:30Z
and i think thats why nora was frustrated
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:02:42Z
i care more about new players than people who have already played a while and funvote each other on multeasymap
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funman 2022-08-17 05:02:43Z
which i think is reasonable
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:02:44Z
just how it is
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funman 2022-08-17 05:03:15Z
I see so many people quitting cause the game is too hard
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I may try to make more tutorial videos
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but its not like anyone will ever see them anyways
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:05:16Z
well the tutorial needs to either be more guided or have the option to skip over parts (for some time penalty)
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and ofc there should still be a race mechanics tutorial
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for playing with others
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not just movement mechanics
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but i assume someone will work on that eventually just dunno who
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it requires dev work is the issue (at least imo)
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funman 2022-08-17 05:06:17Z
im more talking pvp as i cannot speak for the ddrace community
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funman
I see so many people quitting cause the game is too hard
pilonpl 2022-08-17 05:06:19Z
Yup, that might be true
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funman
and i think thats why nora was frustrated
Learath2 2022-08-17 05:06:26Z
He totally believes he was that good candidate. But he just wasn't. Those good candidates I don't get even a single complaint about. Put yourself in my place for a second, more than one person you trust and multiple random members of community tell you someone is not a good choice and the only ones that seem to oppose those claims seem to be his friends and him. Would you honestly take him just because he has more gametime?
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funman 2022-08-17 05:06:32Z
but i agree that the tutorial should have some 2 player in it
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:06:33Z
a CPU that guides the player is better than just having them connect a dummy. new players would probably expect something like this
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Learath2
He totally believes he was that good candidate. But he just wasn't. Those good candidates I don't get even a single complaint about. Put yourself in my place for a second, more than one person you trust and multiple random members of community tell you someone is not a good choice and the only ones that seem to oppose those claims seem to be his friends and him. Would you honestly take him just because he has more gametime?
funman 2022-08-17 05:07:02Z
probably not
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:07:09Z
to be fair Learath funman often argues about stuff he doesn't know much about :D
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like ddrace topics
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funman 2022-08-17 05:07:17Z
more what i was talking about was your response that i tagged earlier
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Learath2 2022-08-17 05:07:33Z
I gave him a completely fair and honest opinion. "I like your application, yet I'm told you aren't a good fit. I'd like to give it some more time so I can observe how you handle yourself"
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funman 2022-08-17 05:07:37Z
I dont think what he said after was unreasonable
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is more my point
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lynn
to be fair Learath funman often argues about stuff he doesn't know much about :D
funman 2022-08-17 05:08:30Z
somewhat true
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but there is more to it than that
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Learath2
I gave him a completely fair and honest opinion. "I like your application, yet I'm told you aren't a good fit. I'd like to give it some more time so I can observe how you handle yourself"
lynn 2022-08-17 05:08:41Z
you also said you gave them a path of return ye?
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you said that past couple messages
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I mean hell
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we have Skeith as one of the oldest current mods
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who used to be the biggest troll ever
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lynn
who used to be the biggest troll ever
funman 2022-08-17 05:09:27Z
"used"
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:09:33Z
being "fit" for mod is sort of a continuous thing
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it changes
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lynn
you also said you gave them a path of return ye?
Learath2 2022-08-17 05:09:34Z
He just had to keep playing for a month or two while I kept an eye on him and the people that fake him and I'd have accepted him
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:09:37Z
like for example
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even with myself
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i was much more fit to be a mod 2 years ago than now lol
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now i am much more emotional about ddnet topics
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pretty much as soon as i started playing, even though i sucked at novice tech, i was motivated by protecting/helping new players
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lynn
i was much more fit to be a mod 2 years ago than now lol
funman 2022-08-17 05:10:38Z
i dont think there is a huge requirement besides you wouldnt go on banning sprees
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:10:45Z
not true
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lynn
a CPU that guides the player is better than just having them connect a dummy. new players would probably expect something like this
pilonpl 2022-08-17 05:10:50Z
Let's hire place volunteers on the tutorial servers lol
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funman
but its not like anyone will ever see them anyways
Learath2 2022-08-17 05:10:52Z
We can promote them on the website, link to them in the wiki and maybe we can pin them here. More tutorial videos of high quality would be nice
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funman 2022-08-17 05:10:55Z
in usa if i were mod i would basically do nothing besides ban racist people
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Learath2
We can promote them on the website, link to them in the wiki and maybe we can pin them here. More tutorial videos of high quality would be nice
funman 2022-08-17 05:11:12Z
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high quality
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Learath2
We can promote them on the website, link to them in the wiki and maybe we can pin them here. More tutorial videos of high quality would be nice
lynn 2022-08-17 05:11:25Z
do you think there are more opportunities to help new players? besides just race tutorial
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i still want an in-game guide
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filled with terms and tech
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something analogous to the wiki but shorter
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Learath2
We can promote them on the website, link to them in the wiki and maybe we can pin them here. More tutorial videos of high quality would be nice
funman 2022-08-17 05:12:01Z
ill dm it to you but its not that good i made it in 15 minutes
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pilonpl 2022-08-17 05:12:11Z
Simple solo maps maybe
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funman 2022-08-17 05:12:20Z
im thinking of actually making a more comprehensive and advanced video
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:12:22Z
sample solo maps might actually be a good idea
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if people could easily play on a LAN server (within the client process) you could do some things with that
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funman 2022-08-17 05:12:50Z
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEAWjf9WWQo
Funmanteddy
Teeworlds FNG Beginner Tutorial
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Learath2 2022-08-17 05:12:52Z
If you are looking to help the community or make improvements there is no point in becoming a mod. Moderation is a very different thing. It's like being an activist vs a police officer
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I kove 2022-08-17 05:12:53Z
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funman 2022-08-17 05:12:54Z
here is the video
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Learath2 2022-08-17 05:12:59Z
Moderators enforce rules
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:13:35Z
I will always be an activist for the community but without a shiny discord role people don't tend to listen to you
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i suppose i have the dev one
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funman 2022-08-17 05:13:50Z
making videos is tougher than i thought
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:13:51Z
most people think the "Dev" role is responsible for much more things xd
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funman 2022-08-17 05:14:03Z
idk what to do for the thumbnails
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lynn
i still want an in-game guide
Learath2 2022-08-17 05:14:04Z
Like an onboarding thing on first launch where you introduce the UI and stuff? Anything gameplay related would probably need to be in a map of sorts
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funman 2022-08-17 05:14:13Z
or how to edit
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lynn
I will always be an activist for the community but without a shiny discord role people don't tend to listen to you
funman 2022-08-17 05:14:56Z
shiny role would be cool
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otherwise people think im some random
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peppe 2022-08-17 05:15:19Z
ur a random
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funman 2022-08-17 05:15:26Z
😦
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:15:50Z
Well I just meant a guide someone can optionally look at. It may be hard for them to initially do all of these things when they first launch the game, but they can know about it ahead of time. If someone were to connect to Kobra, even if they make it past the freeze (because they learned to avoid it already in the Tutorial map) they will not know they can hook through corners, to hammer a tee off an edge to hook them easier, or how to avoid hooking unhook tiles in order to pass a solo section. such things can at least be "mentioned" so they dont need to learn it all at once but they won't be immediately confused by seeing it in game
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Not to mention hammerfly
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throws
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etc
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pilonpl 2022-08-17 05:16:20Z
Yup
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Some people leave the game as soon as they don't understand something
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:16:53Z
They shouldn't be required learning for anyone but they should be dictated to the player so that they at least understand what is required of them for specific maps, just in case they are exposed to it early
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Guess what happens when they are exposed to stuff they don't know how to do? They probably don't have a rapport with anyone online, so they don't seek help, and they alt-f4
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If they do know what to do, and they just can't do it yet, they may consider another server
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But new players dont even know you can change maps
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they dont know you can even find different difficulties
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no one does
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they have to be told this stuff
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pilonpl 2022-08-17 05:18:08Z
And they leave such an amazing game forever
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:18:10Z
that's the problem with this game
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yep
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funman 2022-08-17 05:18:16Z
me trying to beat kobra4 for 5 years
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:18:20Z
it's insanely tragic and cant believe we let it slide
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for years
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but meh i dont know
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its exhausting to be the only one whining about it for so long xD
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and im just a steam player
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imagine how cranky i will be in some years
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lynn
its exhausting to be the only one whining about it for so long xD
funman 2022-08-17 05:18:49Z
whine better
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pilonpl 2022-08-17 05:18:59Z
I discovered this game 10 months ago
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funman 2022-08-17 05:19:03Z
whine smarter not harder
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:19:03Z
I'll have to start doing shit by myself, alone, and risk getting shot down
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LIKE I HAVE BEFORE
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pilonpl 2022-08-17 05:19:12Z
Because someone on discord was playing it
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:19:25Z
many many ideas of mine have been outright ignored or vocally dismissed
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so people say "do it yourself" when that's not a real solution
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they say "work with others" when you're the only one involved
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shit situation
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no one acknowledges this either
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funman 2022-08-17 05:20:07Z
ok here is plan
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:20:11Z
it's unboundedly frustrating
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pilonpl 2022-08-17 05:20:15Z
At least if someone did get into the game they're probably the right person
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funman 2022-08-17 05:20:17Z
we create a group
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:20:30Z
@Learath2 i dont care if you reply to everything i just said but i want to make sure you read it
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funman 2022-08-17 05:20:47Z
where we design videos on tw to go viral on billie billie
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:20:53Z
from here https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/252358080522747904/1009329688767889458 to here https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/252358080522747904/1009330676979486791
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lynn
@Learath2 i dont care if you reply to everything i just said but i want to make sure you read it
Learath2 2022-08-17 05:21:03Z
Sorry. Was looking for my gate. I'll read now
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:21:06Z
all good
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pilonpl 2022-08-17 05:21:19Z
More players are joining the game anyways
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funman 2022-08-17 05:21:35Z
I want more
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and also USA players
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since all new players are basically chinese and i have no method of interacting with them
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lynn
Well I just meant a guide someone can optionally look at. It may be hard for them to initially do all of these things when they first launch the game, but they can know about it ahead of time. If someone were to connect to Kobra, even if they make it past the freeze (because they learned to avoid it already in the Tutorial map) they will not know they can hook through corners, to hammer a tee off an edge to hook them easier, or how to avoid hooking unhook tiles in order to pass a solo section. such things can at least be "mentioned" so they dont need to learn it all at once but they won't be immediately confused by seeing it in game
Learath2 2022-08-17 05:22:04Z
We have a through corner hook in the tutorial btw
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pilonpl 2022-08-17 05:22:05Z
I am quite happy because there are many ayers in europe (edited)
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Learath2
We have a through corner hook in the tutorial btw
lynn 2022-08-17 05:22:15Z
ah fair point
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but maybe the player doesnt think to do it hooking a tee
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could be reiterated in a 2p tutorial (edited)
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funman
since all new players are basically chinese and i have no method of interacting with them
lynn 2022-08-17 05:22:50Z
some asian players are rly nice
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wish i could play with them
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coffeecat and shiriusu
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lynn
some asian players are rly nice
funman 2022-08-17 05:23:09Z
i mean obv
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pilonpl 2022-08-17 05:23:17Z
I can't play on asian servers because ping
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:23:18Z
sorry i meant personally xd
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ofc there's probably many
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funman 2022-08-17 05:23:22Z
its not like i have anything against asians
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lynn
But new players dont even know you can change maps
Learath2 2022-08-17 05:23:24Z
Maybe a new map vote UI and people joining empty servers being prompted by it can help alleviate this a bit
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funman 2022-08-17 05:23:34Z
but what im saying is i cant play on chinese servers
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:23:37Z
new call vote UI is a really pressing issue imo
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funman 2022-08-17 05:23:40Z
and also they dont have discord
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and many cant speak english
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:23:49Z
it needs to be more obvious since "Call vote" doesn't sound like much to a new player
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funman
its not like i have anything against asians
peppe 2022-08-17 05:23:59Z
r u racist?
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:24:11Z
🤦‍♀️
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peppe
r u racist?
funman 2022-08-17 05:24:16Z
look at what you have done lynn
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:24:18Z
im going to ignore this conversation
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funman
look at what you have done lynn
peppe 2022-08-17 05:24:34Z
im just jking
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pilonpl 2022-08-17 05:24:44Z
I think this is an extremely hard game to get into as a new player
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pilonpl
I think this is an extremely hard game to get into as a new player
funman 2022-08-17 05:25:04Z
10x worse in pvp modes like ictf
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there is no public ictf games
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lynn
could be reiterated in a 2p tutorial (edited)
Learath2 2022-08-17 05:25:11Z
We definitely want to follow up the original tutorial with atleast one more map. But for 2p stuff I think we want serverside dummies which is some coding work. If some mapper were to map some tutorial parts around an automated dummy I could try to work on the dummy code
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funman 2022-08-17 05:25:17Z
only pros who only 2v2 other pros
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of which i am guilty of as well
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:25:29Z
anyways, there is a double standard in ddnet community, that stuff will only happen if you do it yourself (when really you may be denied adding it to the game) and doing stuff with others (normally you get told the first thing or no one cares about your idea / thinks it's necessary)
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funman 2022-08-17 05:25:33Z
since it isnt fun to play new players
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:25:39Z
i was wondering what you thought about that too
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Learath2
We definitely want to follow up the original tutorial with atleast one more map. But for 2p stuff I think we want serverside dummies which is some coding work. If some mapper were to map some tutorial parts around an automated dummy I could try to work on the dummy code
peppe 2022-08-17 05:25:44Z
@lynn this is your moment
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:25:56Z
dev pipeline is different, there's normally stuff to do either by issues or planned fixes
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im not really addressing that
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and in fact, most of my ideas are not related to much dev work
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Learath2
We definitely want to follow up the original tutorial with atleast one more map. But for 2p stuff I think we want serverside dummies which is some coding work. If some mapper were to map some tutorial parts around an automated dummy I could try to work on the dummy code
louis 2022-08-17 05:26:13Z
mappers are no problem
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pilonpl 2022-08-17 05:26:14Z
Well, this is an open source game, no one has to do anything
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pilonpl
Well, this is an open source game, no one has to do anything
lynn 2022-08-17 05:26:24Z
doesn't mean we cant
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louis 2022-08-17 05:26:27Z
i am sure many of the testers would be happy to work on a tutorial map
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:26:37Z
im prepared to do a whole lot for this game, i just need people's support
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official support
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lynn
doesn't mean we cant
pilonpl 2022-08-17 05:27:04Z
Ofc we can if someone wants to do that
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:27:15Z
If a race mechanics tutorial would be acceptable for DDNet I will immediately organize help with it
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Learath2
We definitely want to follow up the original tutorial with atleast one more map. But for 2p stuff I think we want serverside dummies which is some coding work. If some mapper were to map some tutorial parts around an automated dummy I could try to work on the dummy code
lynn 2022-08-17 05:27:59Z
You might want to talk to Headshot
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he's done basic AI on TeeWare and might be a good asset for that
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pilonpl 2022-08-17 05:28:21Z
Also i think we can't avoid using some text
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:28:25Z
maybe some of the work is already done
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Learath2 2022-08-17 05:28:32Z
The thing is usually the stuff people want is vague. It's really hard for us to commit on something we haven't even seen a prototype or a sketch of. Because then we'd be on hook for accepting something which we haven't even seen before
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pilonpl
Also i think we can't avoid using some text
lynn 2022-08-17 05:28:34Z
a popup component would be so helpful
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Learath2
The thing is usually the stuff people want is vague. It's really hard for us to commit on something we haven't even seen a prototype or a sketch of. Because then we'd be on hook for accepting something which we haven't even seen before
lynn 2022-08-17 05:28:50Z
Is putting unfreeze on the block platform in Multeasymap vague?
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It's extremely specific
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I have advocated for it for months now
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pilonpl 2022-08-17 05:29:17Z
Just do the thing first
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:29:17Z
What about making the solo tiles more obvious?
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Signage?
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What about expanding our block servers to be more capable for Multeasymap blockers?
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All of these things I've said before
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I don't know what else I would need to explain
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If I make a successful block map, would it be hosted? Can anyone even tell me?
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Learath2
The thing is usually the stuff people want is vague. It's really hard for us to commit on something we haven't even seen a prototype or a sketch of. Because then we'd be on hook for accepting something which we haven't even seen before
funman 2022-08-17 05:30:07Z
yeah i get why people get frustrated but just because they worked on something doesnt mean they are entitled to it being added. I feel like this is more of a mapping thing where people get mad their map is rejected
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pilonpl
Just do the thing first
lynn 2022-08-17 05:30:53Z
Yeah okay, I did that and my map was not even used
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I wasted time because Coke ended up making his own changes, and never even LOOKED at my map file
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lynn
What about making the solo tiles more obvious?
Learath2 2022-08-17 05:31:08Z
See. In principle we agree. I too want solo tiles to be more obvious. But how idk. Text looks silly. Symbols don't really make sense to noobs either. How does one mark a concept that has no meaning for noobs properly?
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:31:09Z
this is the problem
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Learath2
See. In principle we agree. I too want solo tiles to be more obvious. But how idk. Text looks silly. Symbols don't really make sense to noobs either. How does one mark a concept that has no meaning for noobs properly?
lynn 2022-08-17 05:31:19Z
i literally googled the font (edited)
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and made a quad that looks exactly similar
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xD
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it has to be text imo
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or noobs wont understand it
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but also maybe they dont know english, and in that case ehhh maybe we take some pointers from the Tutorial map
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where iconography is used
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in any case, what about the unfreeze? that isn't even a discussion imo and doesnt affect ranks
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funman 2022-08-17 05:33:11Z
I dont know how to improve how intuitive solo looks
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but maybe make it obvious in the tutorial what it does
05:33
which would probably help more
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:33:37Z
if people can unfreeze by touching the block platform it "spoils the fun" of blocking there
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it's a deterrant
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more people would move to playground
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we need to make it shitty to block there
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and then people wont do it
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I will record a demo.... as always people want proof
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funman 2022-08-17 05:34:50Z
I feel like people block on multeasy because when they first started playing they were blocked on multeasy
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and they think thats just how the game is (edited)
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:35:24Z
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pilonpl 2022-08-17 05:36:38Z
Maybe just add a block of text when you launch the game for the first time lol
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:37:27Z
This is also an excuse to showcase what my hook sounds like now lol
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peppe 2022-08-17 05:37:32Z
i think that just works for noentities players
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lynn
in any case, what about the unfreeze? that isn't even a discussion imo and doesnt affect ranks
Learath2 2022-08-17 05:37:36Z
The only issue with this is that we really don't like to edit gameplay of other mappers maps. But I guess multeasymap has sort of become a quintessential part of the novice experience whether we like it or not, so maybe we should treat it differently
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peppe
i think that just works for noentities players
lynn 2022-08-17 05:37:54Z
Ofc it doesn't but what else am I supposed to do
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pilonpl
Maybe just add a block of text when you launch the game for the first time lol
Learath2 2022-08-17 05:38:12Z
Yeah a tour of some of the common iconography used in maps would be very nice
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:38:14Z
and btw entities toggle is being made non-standard in the options
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lynn
Ofc it doesn't but what else am I supposed to do
peppe 2022-08-17 05:38:49Z
delete the designs of all the maps
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Learath2
The only issue with this is that we really don't like to edit gameplay of other mappers maps. But I guess multeasymap has sort of become a quintessential part of the novice experience whether we like it or not, so maybe we should treat it differently
lynn 2022-08-17 05:38:54Z
yeah well matters how much you actually respect Welf and Coke making a map based on someone else's map vs affecting the gameplay of hundreds of players xD
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and btw entities toggle is being made non-standard in the options
louis 2022-08-17 05:38:59Z
wat really
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:39:06Z
that has always been a weird as fuck argument to me
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louis
wat really
lynn 2022-08-17 05:39:29Z
Yes it will have no UI
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bind only
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Because people accidentally trigger it
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Learath2
The only issue with this is that we really don't like to edit gameplay of other mappers maps. But I guess multeasymap has sort of become a quintessential part of the novice experience whether we like it or not, so maybe we should treat it differently
louis 2022-08-17 05:39:40Z
yeh i think multimap is an exception cus its a spinoff
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:39:43Z
and ask why it looks wrong
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also Zerodin doesn't even play
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can we just change the dam map if we needed to
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louis 2022-08-17 05:40:05Z
wait is it gonna still be in options and just unbinded
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:40:06Z
its not an issue now i think
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funman 2022-08-17 05:40:08Z
You know what we need
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louis 2022-08-17 05:40:09Z
or just not in options at all
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funman 2022-08-17 05:40:12Z
public domain maps
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for novice
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louis 2022-08-17 05:40:20Z
it should just be kept in options and not set to anythinf
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:40:25Z
I thought it wasn't going to be UI but maybe
05:40
i dont remember honestly
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pilonpl 2022-08-17 05:41:55Z
I think tutorial solo maps is a good idea
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:47:09Z
okay apologies for the shitty "gameplay" but here's my reasoning
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also shoutout to my cat
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and by "cant block in every location" i mean most block players
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since they are not normally good at dummy drag tech involving rehooking the ceiling
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pilonpl 2022-08-17 05:49:55Z
You can also contribute to the wiki if you want to help new players
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New players might bot know about the wiki tho
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:50:34Z
it doesn't do a whole lot for new players imo but there's no way to tell
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imo a "new player" when i say it is like actually new, people who are still thinking about uninstalling it
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pilonpl 2022-08-17 05:51:18Z
Well, this game isn't for everyone
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:51:47Z
I'm not saying it is, I'm just saying the game can afford do explain itself. It currently does not aside from the tutorial
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pilonpl 2022-08-17 05:52:00Z
Some people don't want to spend time learning
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:52:13Z
People can misunderstand if a game is for them or not, because it seems like a brick wall instead of something they could have learned
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That's fine, so give them the steps to learn and allow them to decide
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Don't make that choice for them by giving them no resources
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pilonpl 2022-08-17 05:52:39Z
If someone completed at least one map they will probably stay
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:52:53Z
I know players that still left
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funman 2022-08-17 05:53:10Z
no reason to not add the change. I think more maps need more unfreeze in general. However i don't think this would stop much blocking
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:53:21Z
It might make it more annoying
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which might be reason enough to move
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pilonpl 2022-08-17 05:53:53Z
I really liked this game even though i was extremely bad
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lynn
which might be reason enough to move
funman 2022-08-17 05:54:00Z
perhaps
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pilonpl 2022-08-17 05:54:01Z
For some reason
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lynn
okay apologies for the shitty "gameplay" but here's my reasoning
lynn 2022-08-17 05:54:04Z
here's my reasoning @Learath2 i don't want it lost in the chat :D
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funman 2022-08-17 05:54:06Z
i mean implement it anyways
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and see if it helps
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:54:28Z
there could also be unfreeze on the small platform on the right too
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not sure if that would matter much
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funman 2022-08-17 05:54:38Z
all platforms should have it
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:54:41Z
actually it would tbh
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funman 2022-08-17 05:54:42Z
cause why not right?
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:54:50Z
because then they could more easily get away
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towards the right
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funman 2022-08-17 05:55:02Z
all not having it does it make you wait 3 seconds on platform
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pilonpl
For some reason
Learath2 2022-08-17 05:55:33Z
This game just clicks for some people. I know other people that are bad that just keep playing more and more
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Learath2
This game just clicks for some people. I know other people that are bad that just keep playing more and more
funman 2022-08-17 05:56:01Z
you have to, to play ddnet
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:56:04Z
I'm also interested in the stories of people who could start really bad, and not enjoy it, and learn to grow playing it
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we don't have many of these stories
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funman 2022-08-17 05:56:18Z
when i first started playing i played vs one of the top usa fng players for 8 hours
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and got fucked over and over
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but for some reason i decided to keep playing
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Learath2
This game just clicks for some people. I know other people that are bad that just keep playing more and more
Cipy29 2022-08-17 05:56:37Z
I didnt know learath watches your stream @Stepfunn
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lynn
I'm also interested in the stories of people who could start really bad, and not enjoy it, and learn to grow playing it
peppe 2022-08-17 05:56:45Z
thats me
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pilonpl 2022-08-17 05:57:25Z
I joined fng once
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I am not used to playing against others
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At all
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funman 2022-08-17 05:58:10Z
I like pvp way more
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very competative and makes me driven to get better
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:58:31Z
I added unfreeze on the right but I doubt the left makes a difference
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funman 2022-08-17 05:58:40Z
I love learning how to get better
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funman
I love learning how to get better
peppe 2022-08-17 05:58:50Z
i can teach u
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but if u just play fng i cant teach u
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Voxel 2022-08-17 05:58:59Z
are we seriously updating multeasymap again
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lynn
I added unfreeze on the right but I doubt the left makes a difference
funman 2022-08-17 05:59:04Z
why not add it right?
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Voxel
are we seriously updating multeasymap again
peppe 2022-08-17 05:59:05Z
yes
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lynn 2022-08-17 05:59:07Z
again? it was hardly updated before
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peppe
but if u just play fng i cant teach u
funman 2022-08-17 05:59:19Z
I dont play fng anymore really. Mostly ictf
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Voxel
are we seriously updating multeasymap again
lynn 2022-08-17 05:59:20Z
i never learn though
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it won't get added
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im wasting my time again
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funman
I dont play fng anymore really. Mostly ictf
peppe 2022-08-17 05:59:30Z
i mean in pvp i cant help u
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i can just give u movement tips
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funman 2022-08-17 05:59:57Z
ty for the offer
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funman
I like pvp way more
pilonpl 2022-08-17 06:00:02Z
At least you can't kill anypne right before the finish line
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peppe 2022-08-17 06:00:02Z
np
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funman 2022-08-17 06:00:19Z
I have been playing a bit of ddrace
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the map aimbot by aoe
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peppe 2022-08-17 06:00:39Z
not a good map for start playing ddrace (edited)
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funman 2022-08-17 06:00:47Z
I beat the first part
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peppe 2022-08-17 06:00:51Z
ok...
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funman 2022-08-17 06:00:53Z
second part is really hard tho
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peppe
ok...
funman 2022-08-17 06:01:09Z
I do have 2k hours in this game
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peppe 2022-08-17 06:01:21Z
is that
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much?
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funman 2022-08-17 06:01:31Z
idk im not a beginner
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lynn 2022-08-17 06:01:35Z
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peppe 2022-08-17 06:01:47Z
im p sure i have more than 10k hours
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funman 2022-08-17 06:01:58Z
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pilonpl 2022-08-17 06:01:58Z
450h here
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I don't have a lot of points
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funman 2022-08-17 06:02:18Z
teini has around 35k i think
06:02
isnt that crazy
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peppe 2022-08-17 06:02:25Z
who is teini
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funman 2022-08-17 06:02:31Z
teini94rock
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funman
isnt that crazy
peppe 2022-08-17 06:02:32Z
maybe
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funman 2022-08-17 06:02:35Z
the ddrock guy
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pilonpl 2022-08-17 06:02:37Z
Because i have been playing the same maps over and over lol
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funman
the ddrock guy
peppe 2022-08-17 06:02:42Z
ooo i know him
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pilonpl
Because i have been playing the same maps over and over lol
peppe 2022-08-17 06:03:00Z
dont worry, points doesnt mean skill
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pilonpl
I don't have a lot of points
Learath2 2022-08-17 06:03:05Z
A lot of very old players with manymany hours dont have many points either. Some people just don't enjoy doing all the novices and moderates for only points
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funman 2022-08-17 06:03:42Z
I may get more into ddrace'
06:03
but i will never be a point grinder
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funman
but i will never be a point grinder
peppe 2022-08-17 06:04:18Z
be speedrunner
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like me
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peppe
be speedrunner
funman 2022-08-17 06:04:32Z
i think i do want to get more into race
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but so many things to get better at
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and i dont have time for them all
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peppe
be speedrunner
funman 2022-08-17 06:05:31Z
my current goal rn is to beat aimbot without ever having a brutal finish
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lynn 2022-08-17 06:05:47Z
unfreeze here
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funman
my current goal rn is to beat aimbot without ever having a brutal finish
peppe 2022-08-17 06:05:49Z
i rather finishing first ravillion
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lynn 2022-08-17 06:05:50Z
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1 tile so you cant pull people back and block them
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peppe
i rather finishing first ravillion
peppe 2022-08-17 06:06:08Z
its like aimbot but more easy
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peppe
i rather finishing first ravillion
funman 2022-08-17 06:06:18Z
perhaps but i just got it in my head to do this map
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funman
perhaps but i just got it in my head to do this map
peppe 2022-08-17 06:06:37Z
go be first usa finish
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funman 2022-08-17 06:06:48Z
before i had to stop playing cause of carpal tunnel i was also trying to beat hyperedge to get better at edging
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peppe
go be first usa finish
funman 2022-08-17 06:07:01Z
that would be funny
06:07
but it would take me many months to beat
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but it would take me many months to beat
peppe 2022-08-17 06:09:12Z
i know a guy that finished ravillion for 2 days (i mean race time of 2days, he played the map for more than just 2 days) and he was p good at the game
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idk how much time can take u for beating aimbot (edited)
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funman 2022-08-17 06:09:47Z
yeah im under no illusions
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it will probably be a several week long time
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if not more
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peppe 2022-08-17 06:10:18Z
well
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no effort no progress
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funman 2022-08-17 06:10:23Z
I will be saving run after beating each part
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I havent played in awhile but currently my save is i think 11 minutes at the start of the 2nd part
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peppe 2022-08-17 06:11:14Z
thats p good
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funman 2022-08-17 06:11:46Z
yeah but edge hooking is easy
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the second part requires something that ive never done before
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peppe 2022-08-17 06:12:23Z
u mean deepfly?
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funman 2022-08-17 06:13:03Z
yeah
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i dont have the bind even set up yey
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yet*
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peppe 2022-08-17 06:13:38Z
i see
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lynn
i have no idea about turkey or its moderation needs but probably it needs a lot of moderators. but UNFORTUNATELY when you add moderators to a region that has a ton of trolling, obviously some moderators turn out to be trolls too
gerdoe 2022-08-17 06:15:58Z
lmao
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i just want it on my wall
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with frame
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lynn 2022-08-17 06:16:24Z
wtf why
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is it true
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gerdoe 2022-08-17 06:16:34Z
xd
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lynn 2022-08-17 06:16:45Z
i guess it's true then
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gerdoe 2022-08-17 06:17:08Z
politics fucked up my mind
06:17
can't answer you actually
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lynn 2022-08-17 06:29:27Z
xD
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Cipy29
I didnt know learath watches your stream @Stepfunn
Stepfunn 2022-08-17 07:55:06Z
Stfu you morun 5
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Learath2
A lot of very old players with manymany hours dont have many points either. Some people just don't enjoy doing all the novices and moderates for only points
pilonpl 2022-08-17 07:59:54Z
I have started playing maps for points recently
08:00
And i like it i think
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I don't like using the dummy
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But still
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Learath2 2022-08-17 08:01:55Z
I detest playing with a dummy
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pilonpl 2022-08-17 08:02:37Z
detest
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Fancy word
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I completed two 8 point solo maps today
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I also was trying to complete this map https://ddnet.tw/maps/Timebreaker/
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Stepfunn
Stfu you morun 5
Meekrioz 2022-08-17 08:54:52Z
He is not wrong
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Meekrioz
He is not wrong
Stepfunn 2022-08-17 09:46:16Z
So who are you exactly
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Stepfunn
So who are you exactly
Meekrioz 2022-08-17 09:50:07Z
No, who are you?
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Meekrioz
No, who are you?
Stepfunn 2022-08-17 09:50:45Z
You can call me daddy
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Biatch
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Stepfunn
You can call me daddy
Voxel 2022-08-17 10:01:20Z
ok. whats for dinner
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Stepfunn
You can call me daddy
Meekrioz 2022-08-17 10:06:32Z
I rather call you mommy cause you are such a pussio (edited)
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Cellegen 2022-08-17 10:26:19Z
pepestraight
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wtf am i reading
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gerdoe 2022-08-17 10:29:33Z
two 20yo boys calling each other mommy and daddy
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Voxel 2022-08-17 14:17:57Z
me and who
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DAFE 2022-08-17 15:43:03Z
Embedded image
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сматрите какой кот
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я нашел гифку
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он мой
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Ryozuki 2022-08-17 17:41:45Z
@|Rapture|
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uramaki
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inside out
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Chairn 2022-08-17 19:00:54Z
i ate sushis yesterday 😋
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Learath2 2022-08-17 19:20:33Z
What is the plural of sushi?
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sushae?
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louis 2022-08-17 19:21:23Z
sushi must be a plural
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octopus -> octopi sushus -> sushi
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Learath2 2022-08-17 19:21:45Z
Sushus lol
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Chairn
i ate sushis yesterday 😋
ReiTW 2022-08-17 20:32:15Z
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eenZ_9PURyI
Chef Michel Dumas
MAKI MAISON -- Comment faire des Makis
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louis
sushi must be a plural
Chairn 2022-08-17 20:32:26Z
doesn't work for non latin language i guess
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ReiTW 2022-08-17 20:32:27Z
"couteau jaune, à la plonge !"
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on réserve !
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Chairn 2022-08-17 20:32:41Z
oula, pas le temps de cuisiner moi
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ReiTW 2022-08-17 20:32:48Z
xD, tu connais pas michel dumas?
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Chairn 2022-08-17 20:32:54Z
heu non?
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ReiTW 2022-08-17 20:33:06Z
il est assez connu, il cuisine super bien et est drole quand il cuisine
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Chairn 2022-08-17 20:33:42Z
t'as un restau à sushi sur Grenoble ?
20:33
enfin ton favori
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ReiTW 2022-08-17 20:33:58Z
nop, en général jvais au buffet à volonté à St égrève
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le wok d'asie
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là bas c'est salement bon
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Chairn 2022-08-17 20:34:08Z
ouah, c'est loin
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ReiTW 2022-08-17 20:34:22Z
ouais jsais mais bon, entre potes vite fais ca se fait
20:34
on a un collègue qui habite vers là bas donc on le rejoint
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Chairn 2022-08-17 20:34:36Z
moi je vais Yummy Sushi place Vaucanson
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ReiTW 2022-08-17 20:34:53Z
connais pas, j'irai test ca
20:35
après jsuis à smh
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Chairn 2022-08-17 20:35:18Z
et y'en a un qui m'avait été recommandé par un collègue japonais à côté de la caserne de pompier
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ReiTW 2022-08-17 20:35:19Z
donc bon, grenoble jconnais vite fais 2-3 resto, mais j'y vais jamais à part pour la fnac
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mais si à l'occas tu peux test un buffet à volonté comme le wok d'asie
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c'est excellent
20:36
par contre les gens ont pas compris que entre chaque assiette que tu cherches faut pas réutiliser la sienne
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Chairn 2022-08-17 20:37:52Z
pourquoi?
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pourquoi?
ReiTW 2022-08-17 20:55:18Z
me semble que c'est une question d'hygiene
20:55
puis les mecs font le tour des tables pour virer tes assiettes
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Ryozuki 2022-08-17 21:02:10Z
BunnyBaguette
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BunnyBaguette
ReiTW 2022-08-17 21:24:33Z
best
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