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Between 2022-08-13 00:00:00Z and 2022-08-14 00:00:00Z

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wtf

showtime

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what

sry shitty vamera

04:02

camera

04:02

im at a bar rn with my mom

hype

Voxel

grinds like 4-6 ez novices and continues to block multeasy

at least it shoulds prevent new players that does not know how stuff works from thinking like "ohno they are going to kill me time to pvp

" also there should be a tutorial thingy that explains what are the rules, wtf is blocking, how to deal with these stuff etc.

05:04

and how you dont kill people on ddrace

05:05

i mean

05:05

you literally have a gun

bang bang

anyone has meep meep discord channel?

When I enter the ddnet game, when I want to play a map, a line says UDP seems filtered, how can I solve it?

hii

BURAKREİSAMA31DİYO

When I enter the ddnet game, when I want to play a map, a line says UDP seems filtered, how can I solve it?

check your internet

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10:25

wait

10:25

you sent a message here

10:25

so you probably have internet

10:26

ignore me

sure we have skin submissions but when do we get skin dominations

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why so many new ger server?

we like GER

11:03

we have nein german servers!

I am close to germany so that's nice

i would rather have a mixture out of nld fra etc

11:05

so everyone can have a good ping

well.. the servers are cheap

Germany is optimal for players in europe i think (edited)

balkans

Steinchen

balkans

Idk, i am happy

pilonpl

Germany is optimal for players in europe i think (edited)

germany is in eu west, its not in the middle xd

Definitely better than russian servers

Germany is like the middle

11:12

I think even people in iceland and greece would have a great time on ger servers

I wouldn't count russia as europe

11:13

Then germany is in the center

Russians have their own servers so it doesnt matter even though a part of russia is in europe

11:13

I mean you wouldnt be a german playing on usa servers when you have german servers

200 ping

11:14

Idk how minecraft is so smooth

11:15

You can actually play comfortably with 250 ping

11:15

In ddnet that's impossible

lmao

Maybe predictions are bad

minecraft the 50 ticks ego shooter

I don't think minecraft handles big ping really good either

minecraft also allows to cheat client side

pilonpl

Idk how minecraft is so smooth

minecraft trusts the client, which is also why cheat clients can manipulate a lot of things

You have to trust the client at some point

no, ddnet doesn't

Nah, the server just does a lot of checks which prevents the client from doing shit it shouldnt

it definitely puts more pressure on the client in regards of latency, but thats what it takes if you don't want to trust the client

No matter what you do you have to trust the inputs

imagine fly hacks on ddnet

u can cheat inputs in any game

That's the point

but u can teleport in teeworlds, like in minecraft

11:18

or fallguys or whatever

11:18

these games trust the client on a much bigger scale

pilonpl

No matter what you do you have to trust the inputs

well yes, we trust the inputs that get send live, but there is no such thing as time travel and roll-backs

or terraria even allows to cheat inventory

lol inputs are checked server-side, good luck to cheat on them

Jupstar ✪

or terraria even allows to cheat inventory

Oh I remember that greatly

11:19

Terraria at some point allowed your to kill other people on the server

11:19

Like instantly

Jupstar ✪

but u can teleport in teeworlds, like in minecraft

*can't I think ^^

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Alexander

Nah, the server just does a lot of checks which prevents the client from doing shit it shouldnt

ah u said it

pilonpl

You can actually play comfortably with 250 ping

ddnet is so raw when it comes to internet connectivity. like a lag spike feels like a ddos, and anything above 150 ping is unplayable

server simply receives if someone goes on a certain direction, that's all

Meanwhile minecraft is like: oh ur flying? Ah, he's probably allowed to do that

on minecraft there's many easy ways to detect that & instant ban

11:21

just forgot them

But also minecraft instantly freezes the game when it lags

11:21

So imagine jumping and lagging

11:22

The server sees your flying

no, it's all about packet format

11:22

if I remember correctly

11:22

You can fly by messing the netcode somehow

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& some anti-cheat checks that

Voxel

ddnet is so raw when it comes to internet connectivity. like a lag spike feels like a ddos, and anything above 150 ping is unplayable

antiping is mvp

If you just play with your friends you probably can trust the client

cyberFighter

antiping is mvp

250 ping antiping is hell

cyberFighter

antiping is mvp

Antiping + ddos makes it worse somehow

pilonpl

If you just play with your friends you probably can trust the client

afterall client can't teleport on teeworlds like that

Voxel

250 ping antiping is hell

gigachad

everyone teleports

they teleport for u

11:26

don't play on 200ping servers bruh

Online games always have the same issue...

11:26

You can't trust the client

11:27

But you have to at some point anyways

If there was a better way to do things, i'm sure you'd see it

There is no way to solve that issue ofc

Alexander

If there was a better way to do things, i'm sure you'd see it

export as maximum things on server-side, that's possible for some small games

Wdym

movement is an example

11:29

someone can't fly on teeworlds because server is able to check for it

11:29

on many games it's not even the case

11:29

not even lol

11:30

wait I'll read again that part but even the velocity is server-sided

11:30

(I think)

Yeah true but I'd argue that minecraft is not that simple

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(For example)

yes it is not ig

can't they just track whoever is ddosing? ill help by sending assassins

@Alexander lets mve our of showroom

11:39

@spur we know the main group kinda, vali does it

11:39

@Alexander also : DDNet already tried such a method, the issue is people having different IP on the website than ingame. It happens sometimes for Bombay too.

it says to not use vpn so skill issue

eat a cake Voxel

spur always sooo rude

11:42

wow

eat yourself bencie

https://hookrace.net/blog/dos-attacks-against-online-game/ https://hookrace.net/blog/dos-attacks-update/ @Alexander

hookrace?

deen's blog

Voxel

hookrace?

oh sweet summer child, so young and innocent

ReiTW

deen's blog

ah

Just don't share the ip address so ddosers don't know who to attack. Such a simple solution

troll

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11:58

We could also build our own network. That would also decrease ping

building the DDRace Network

@pilonpl we can build a network upon RFC-2549 so vali can't ddos us

Voxel

building the DDRace Network

building the dummy drag race network network*

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Why is the internet the only newtork

he can only ddos by training alot of avian carriers

ReiTW

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you just start seeing millions of birds flying onto the server

pilonpl

Why is the internet the only newtork

the answer is in the question

cyberFighter

you just start seeing millions of birds flying onto the server

birdemic

internet --> inter network

12:01

internet just connect all other networks

why is the internet the only network

1st

12:01

internet is not the only network

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it is the only network that has survived & still exists

u dont see the troll right

keep in mind arpanet existed too

ReiTW

it is the only network that has survived & still exists

uh no?

12:02

lots of network exists since the 80s (edited)

@Chairn globally used I mean, to interconnect all networks

12:03

I'm not talking about other ones like LAN, MAN, etc..

you can have nationwide networks that are not internet

12:03

renater comes to mind in France

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cern network as well

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MAN

company's network, especially banks

12:04

those all work outside internets

@Chairn I'm talking about world wide

12:04

I know there's plenty of different networks

It's hard to play with people on the other side of the planet so playing with people from other planets will be impossible in the future lol

will be impossible in the future lol

12:04

xd

Chairn

renater comes to mind in France

damn they have so much problems with money

?

renater

what kind of problem?

money, they don't have much money

it used to work really nicely when i used it between 2014 and 2018

yes

12:06

and We use it since many years, I work in the IT service of one of the biggest university of France

12:07

(recently they had an issue with a default route, most of the universities couldn't join the internet) (edited)

damn, weathermaps is down?

ReiTW

and We use it since many years, I work in the IT service of one of the biggest university of France

Saclay?

Chairn

Saclay?

no

12:08

we're bigger than that

12:08

they only have 48k students

Anyone have ddnet persian discord ?

how does a ddoser find out peoples ip addresses

Previously it was by running their own server. Old clients ping every server

12:55

New DDNet client doesn't do that, so they need people to join their server, so they run it as a fake DDNet server which proxies you to the real one

12:55

Alternatively they can try out a few ips until they hit one that downs the server. Considering we have > 50.000 ips joining DDNet a day, we'd have to whitelist at least that many, so easy to hit one

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(just what comes to mind, not sure if those methods are used or if they have further methods)

also the thing about not having the same ip on the whitelist website and in game should be the users problem

deen

Alternatively they can try out a few ips until they hit one that downs the server. Considering we have > 50.000 ips joining DDNet a day, we'd have to whitelist at least that many, so easy to hit one

I didn't know that you could just spoof ips easily

13:01

The thing is that a ddos attack is an attack coming from many different ip addresses so its kinda impossible to prevent it

13:02

But if the whitelist website has a captcha then the ddoser would have to solve a lot of captchas to whitelist the ip addresses that will attack the server (edited)

13:03

I'm probably missing something

Some ISPs don't give you fixed IPs anymore, they use Carrier-grade NAT, so you can't whitelist one IP

So that's how they would spoof it?

no, that's an additional problem with whitelisting

damn

The spoofing is possible because some hosters don't give a fuck and let every IP out

If you have a very simple idea there are two options: 1. You are a genius 2. Someone actually has already thought about that but it doesn't work

if only ipv6 was more popular

it will be but things change slowly

my isp still doesnt give out ipv6

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instead im getting fucked by a NAT

@deen hi

And it's all because people 50 years ago though that 2³² ip addresses is enough

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(and it's actually less than 2³²)

everyone has someone to blame

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i blame the isps, they are the worst

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And someone is ddosing short and precise

It's gotten worse over the past few months i think

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Actually lack of money is the main problem

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Everything can be solved with money

It's time to add paid skins to the game

$20 per skin

Dj only for vip players

ddpass too

Racepass

yep

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$30 to unlock the next category/difficulty

VIP+ ddos safe servers for racepass owners

Only 49.99 a month

Ddnet battle pass

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It will be so pricey that even the ddosers wont see a reason to ddos

Dummy for 9.99 a month

Server browser not included in the base game

you just join with ip xdd

It's actually impressive this game survived only on donations

and freelance coders

I wonder what was i playing before i discovered this game

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And it's all thanks to a more or less random discord user

13:33

And this is the only game i actually improved at by playing

13:37

I still don't know how to aled

I still don't know how I do aled most of the time

13:58

I don't know how I'm good at aled

I have created a map that tells you how long your client is already running its made for 16:9 resolutions, the time is in the bottom-left corner To set it as the background for entities 1. Simply put it in the maps folder in your config directory (https://wiki.ddnet.org/wiki/FAQ#Where_is_the_DDNet_config,_config_directory_or_save_directory?), if the folder doesn't exist yet, create it 2. Set Setting -> DDNet -> Background -> Map to Client-Uptime.map The map can also be appended to other maps that want to display the time I created the map with a script, so its not hard to create different versions of this map, I'll publish the code some time

Client-Uptime.map

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OOH I LIKE THIS

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@Patiga woah, cool

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I might've put more energy into it than I planned at first happy

happy

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limitations are: 1. so far works only up to 24 hours, will reset after reaching it. could only be expanded to up to ~24 days due to envelope limitations 2. since it is set as the background map, other tiles will conceal the time

des fr

Patiga

I have created a map that tells you how long your client is already running its made for 16:9 resolutions, the time is in the bottom-left corner To set it as the background for entities 1. Simply put it in the maps folder in your config directory (https://wiki.ddnet.org/wiki/FAQ#Where_is_the_DDNet_config,_config_directory_or_save_directory?), if the folder doesn't exist yet, create it 2. Set Setting -> DDNet -> Background -> Map to Client-Uptime.map The map can also be appended to other maps that want to display the time I created the map with a script, so its not hard to create different versions of this map, I'll publish the code some time

I have created a map that tells you how long your client is already running

It shows server time for me, not even race time when i cross start line

Chairn

I have created a map that tells you how long your client is already running

It shows server time for me, not even race time when i cross start line

hm this shouldn't happen, so if you restart your client, the timer hasn't reset?

15:10

it shouldn't have anything to do with race time, if you are using a standard client

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15:11

latest master build

woah thats weird

15:15

i guess the animation is synchronized (edited)

it is?

its not

for u, it wasnt for me

ahahahaha, i know

hm, I build master myself and it still uses client time for me

no, i don't know

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i thought a recent pr changed quad sync, but it's not the case

could you checkout version 16.2.2 and see if it is still server time there?

sure

Patiga

could you checkout version 16.2.2 and see if it is still server time there?

indeed show client time with 16.2.2

thats so odd, suuuuuuuuure you are not on a costum branch or smth? ^^

15:31

if you have time, could you maybe bisect where it starts for you?

Patiga

if you have time, could you maybe bisect where it starts for you?

not right now, sorry

np, really odd though

Patiga

np, really odd though

cannot reproduce it anymore, i guess a file was not rebuild when it should have

huh, I guess that remains a mistery

Patiga

I have created a map that tells you how long your client is already running its made for 16:9 resolutions, the time is in the bottom-left corner To set it as the background for entities 1. Simply put it in the maps folder in your config directory (https://wiki.ddnet.org/wiki/FAQ#Where_is_the_DDNet_config,_config_directory_or_save_directory?), if the folder doesn't exist yet, create it 2. Set Setting -> DDNet -> Background -> Map to Client-Uptime.map The map can also be appended to other maps that want to display the time I created the map with a script, so its not hard to create different versions of this map, I'll publish the code some time

it doesn't display my client uptime

Iza

it doesn't display my client uptime

what does it do instead?

it showed the time of the map

15:56

and it kept counting up from that time, no matter if i join other map

very weird, thats the same thing @Chairn encountered

Iza

and it kept counting up from that time, no matter if i join other map

wait it counts up from the first map you joined, or in every map it uses the current time

15:57

also, does it stay that way after a client restart?

from the first map

15:57

idk didnt test it that much

thanks for the report :)

i think it depends on when the background map is loaded versus current map

How to solve this problem?

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turn ON wifi

troll

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moschirii

How to solve this problem?

try joining a different server, that one's most likely getting ddosed

bencie

try joining a different server, that one's most likely getting ddosed

no, it is on all servers of this name

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Yeah, RUS1 is getting ddosed then (edited)

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try rus3

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or other regions

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;(*

dev note: making this say something like "No answer from server yet: it may not be reachable due to a DDOS attack." might be a good idea to reduce these questions (edited)

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17:39

If you don't like those assumptions in the client offer something like "Try using $ddos to check server status and ensure that your firewall is not blocking DDNet."

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17:39

is there a way to check ddos status that doesn't involve Discord

lynn

is there a way to check ddos status that doesn't involve Discord

ddnet.tw i think?

ddnet.tw/status

lynn

dev note: making this say something like "No answer from server yet: it may not be reachable due to a DDOS attack." might be a good idea to reduce these questions (edited)

the message already contains all the information. we can't guess the reason in the client and extending the message would be just based on assumption that will not hold forever

Meekrioz

ddnet.tw/status

does it actually show "ddos" as a string somewhere

to stop these kind of questions that thing should be replaced with: Disconnected "The server is down or currently suffering from DDoS attacks. Please try joining another server or try again later. If this problem persists: Cry about it."

Chairn

the message already contains all the information. we can't guess the reason in the client and extending the message would be just based on assumption that will not hold forever

well this is one of those things where interest in being "technically correct" is getting in the way of user understanding which imo is not a good thing

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17:48

as it is, at least offer some help if "it continues" to display for some users

lynn

does it actually show "ddos" as a string somewhere

i dunno

just link to the damn website if "the problem persists" xD

18:05

it would be really cool to have a free session in the client (where your connection is kept alive in the background but muted) and people can toggle between them with binds (edited)

18:05

possibly indicated by HUD as well

18:05

couple ppl already do this and tab between their client connections

mm yes so plantknight can do quadruple hook pseudofly

ya

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nah your inputs would not be read from active sessions

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if you toggled fast enough maybe

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Turko

hello

hey turko

happy

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anyone knows a gameskin that goes well with minitee skin?

lol i love that people actually wanna use minitee

20:55

great idea for gameskin though

lynn

lol i love that people actually wanna use minitee

yeah its cool

21:00

idk what gameskin to use tho

ask @Voxel

can i tag him?

im sure they would be interested in making something like that, if they have time

21:00

i just did xd

FellaPapi

anyone knows a gameskin that goes well with minitee skin?

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lynn

i just did xd

fair enough lol

bencie

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that seems extra big

21:01

ima try

its perfectly fine

bencie

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xd

lynn

im sure they would be interested in making something like that, if they have time

whats up

read up

21:01

someone wants mini gameskin

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for minitee skin

yeah

it would probably take you like

21:01

5 minutes xd

21:01

knowing you

21:02

getting the anchor point for each weapon though might be weird

the thing is i would have to align it so that it would all work

since it's a different angle

21:02

yes

mini gameskin pls

i need minitee tho

ill send

Voxel

the thing is i would have to align it so that it would all work

we need it bro

in general, imagine how cool it would be if the db could upload gameskin or just separate pictures of weapons and u can see

21:04

like community skins db

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and then add donation and cases

imo we should have feature-request channel

21:09

we have many people (like me) too lazy to use github and might be useful for ideas

what's the point of a gameskin db if nobody is making gameskins?

for now i just post in #developer when i have stuff to say

21:10

i was going to ask for community db for all other assets

21:10

that way people could have more default options in the client when they install

21:10

with perhaps a checkbox in a similar way to skins "Show community assets"

21:12

and i still want per-player gameskins, as an optional feature

21:12

the game would look MUCH more diverse, although people could troll with reversed ones

only thing i rlly want is a gameskin good for minitee

21:13

thats enough to make a grown manh happy

grown man? i just see an anime girl

Ravie

what's the point of a gameskin db if nobody is making gameskins?

I'm not talking about choosing from a huge number of skins and constantly replenishing the db, but about even more customization

lynn

grown man? i just see an anime girl

im both

21:14

and its not only an anime girl

21:14

ITS MARIN

o idk character

SalmonZIk

I'm not talking about choosing from a huge number of skins and constantly replenishing the db, but about even more customization

i think there was some plan to try to add skin "parts" like hats and ears and such

21:15

so u can make all these skins people keep uploading

21:15

different stuff lol

21:15

like instead of uploading a million glow skins

21:15

we can just have a client feature for glow

21:16

then we NEVER have to see it client-side xd

lynn

i think there was some plan to try to add skin "parts" like hats and ears and such

In my opinion, such things are already a bit superfluous

it is but that's the point

21:16

people will insist on spamming community db with them as it is

21:16

as we should try to make it more accessible anyway without bloating the db (edited)

lynn

we have many people (like me) too lazy to use github and might be useful for ideas

if you're too lazy to use github then why should anyone not be too lazy to code it?

L mentality again

21:16

and you're not even a dev

Ravie

if you're too lazy to use github then why should anyone not be too lazy to code it?

many do not have an account. they simply play the game and already have discord

21:17

so many times it has been said "wow you sound lazy, you should do it"

21:17

imo bad mentality for open-source game

21:17

there is no responsibility of language here

21:18

random question: do Brazil servers ever get ddosed?

Stop writing so many msgs I don't have time to put them in the translator

troll

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@lynn I'm not saying you should code it yourself but at least put in the effort to present your feature request properly lol

many people do not even use github once but i have many times

but the devs do

i would like to (half of the time) simply state it in discord without having to go there

21:20

yea and guess what

21:20

devs discuss lots of dev things in discord already too xD

21:20

non-point

21:20

like look

@Ravie hi developer

gigachad

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murpi

@Ravie hi developer

fake news

lynn

many people do not even use github once but i have many times

I agree I also use githab, but only in the console and I don't really want to use it for other things

random example:

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21:21

this could have obviously served as a discussion on github, but there's not much point to doing it if it can be addressed a single time, as worth or not worth doing

21:22

rather not flood Github with every single idea i have

21:22

or else there will be 30+ new issues

murpi when add more discord roles

brownbear

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WTF murpi status

wait who was making the mini tee gameskin?

voxel is doing it rn

color roles?!?!?!?! troll

troll

(edited)

louis

murpi when add more discord roles

like what?

it means in english: Ladders are my all-time favorite thing in life!

voxel dont disappoint me

i like ladders too

FellaPapi

voxel dont disappoint me

she never does

Ravie

fake news

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/4763 poggers2

poggers2

Quad knife tool by HiRavie · Pull Request #4763 · ddnet/ddnet

A new way to slice quads that doesn't make mappers pull their hair out. To use it, open the quad context menu and click the Slice button, check out the tooltip for more instructions. Snaps auto...

mapper/mapper of the year

wtf when give purple role @murpi

21:23

clearly dev

@lynn can't complain that your ideas don't get added if you don't present them nicely and they instantly get lost in chat

i present them very nicely and they get ignored just as often as my actual Github Issues xD

21:24

maybe barely a difference

21:24

actually i get more responses here usually

21:24

LETS GO

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louis

mapper/mapper of the year

I can do a mapper role

issues will sit there until someone at least acknowledges them (edited)

would there be a point to a mapper role?

cammostripes

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21:25

i guess for extra flair

mapper events

but i think people will just try to collect it xd

I need to win a tournament to get more roles

well maybe it's an incentive for people to try mapping?

21:25

im not sure

murpi,, what's up with your discord description?

Ravie

I need to win a tournament to get more roles

i need ur dev role and ur testing lead role

Chairn

murpi,, what's up with your discord description?

it means "Ladders are my all-time favorite thing in life!" in english btw

Chairn

murpi,, what's up with your discord description?

ladders mate, ladders

is this a reference?

sadly murpi got abducted by the chinese government

louis

i need ur dev role and ur testing lead role

give me tester and mod but dont make them colored

21:26

i dont want anyone to know

louis

i need ur dev role and ur testing lead role

i need your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle (edited)

justatest

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@lynn you're not a moderator? I've been sure of that for some reason all along

well, good night people

SalmonZIk

@lynn you're not a moderator? I've been sure of that for some reason all along

ya i rq

21:33

xD

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21:33

smol tee

21:34

really nice to see the tee's arm actually. it's another visual indication of hook position

21:34

has there ever been a client that changed the distance of the arms from the tee? it's nice like this (edited)

that literally looks 3d wtf

Why am I just now finding out that tee has hands?

it's really cool looking

21:35

unfortunately the hook shows

yeah the hand placement is rly nice

i think the weapons need to be bigger tbh @Voxel

21:35

cus of the spacing between

21:35

or maybe you move hands a bit

21:36

but meh then people need different skin

21:36

hook looks sorta weird

21:36

its a problem with the skin more than anything

lynn

hook looks sorta weird

the way mind did it is rly hard to make look right

xd

why is the hook so stretched

idk xd

Ravie

why is the hook so stretched

the way mind did it is rly hard to make look right

voxel if u wanna spend anymore time on it idk if you care but

i really dont

hook would be better if it wasnt stretched

21:37

and double the links

can't u make it 50% and perfectly fit 2 links in?

ah ok

21:37

yea

21:37

that was my idea

yea *fine ill try that

xd

one sec

MAKE WEAPONS 20% BIGGER SRY

21:37

wait maybe not cus then i have to change the skin

21:38

i keep thinking i can fit into smaller gaps xd

21:38

when im playing

21:38

and when you freeze it's just like BOOM

minitee on multifat feelsamazingman

feelsamazingman

wait that's so true

21:38

i gotta try that

21:39

honestly barely any different

21:39

if anything it's actually kinda nice

21:39

because you can see more

21:39

of the map i mean

fat default yoda on multifat

why do ppl like that cursed skin

I hate it but it's funny

agreed

i just hate it

that makes it even better

kristie makes the best skins in the game

you misspelled cuidu

you think so? well look at THIS

21:51

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justatest

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THANK U

minitee in db?

@Voxel beautiful

this is amazing

SalmonZIk

minitee in db?

idk

21:57

it should be tbh but it should be fixed for gameskin

lynn

it should be tbh but it should be fixed for gameskin

can u share?

yes

lynn

LETS GO

heinrich role when

funny xd

do somebody want to play with me

Steinchen

heinrich role when

true

does anyone have an iwbtg sound pack?

23:18

it would be really nice imo

23:18

at least for jumps

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