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DDraceNetwork
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Between 2022-08-08 00:00:00Z and 2022-08-09 00:00:00Z
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It also cannot hit if it has no hit. I think super should always be able to perform these actions, otherwise it's only half super.
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Basically title, server console suggests basic commands but not second entry for the tune commands, and maybe as well for other commands to list possible values or min/max values just like the client console does. (never mind it does for basic commands)
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 08:12:05Z
@heinrich5991 debian be like ... https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1659946301.png
08:12
do i need to compile wireshark from source? :D
08:12
or does it have todo with me putting it in ~/.local/lib/wireshark/plugins/3.4/epan/ as it suggests in the readme
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Yo, isn't there an entity which has no collision to the player and the hook, but has collision for weapon projectiles?
09:27
If not, then I would like to help making designs for new entities like that
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weapon tele?
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 09:43:46Z
@heinrich5991 oke nice i compiled wireshark 3.6 from source and put it in 3.6/epan to get it working :) maybe it makes sense to update the readme
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Would be nice if this packet would have some info too :) https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1659952021.png
09:50
it should be NET_CTRLMSG_ACCEPT
09:50
or ctrl.accept in your lingo
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 09:58:41Z
what the hell github? is this some profile styling thing or is this real? https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1659952695.png
09:59
oh nvm thats the status :D what a troll he is really fucking his own reputation
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ChillerDragon: theoretically, this message doesn't exist anymore: https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/commit/d3fc0807d5f59d88661c8e58854805b064db3c4d
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 10:32:08Z
wot
10:32
my server still sends it
10:33
wait the commit you sent added the message so it is practically there
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oh, you're right
10:41
ChillerDragon: should be fixed
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Chairn
weapon tele?
weap tele does instantanious blowups, right? (edited)
10:41
otherwise, i would've done that
10:44
But yeah, you can use tele to teleport out projectiles, but it's not what I want to point out. there is no entity which has hitbox to projectiles only, so that it's similar to the hook-blocking entity (the one with all direction and and one with one direction blocks)
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 13:40:40Z
omg its sending the token in wrong ednianess aaaa
13:40
how did that happen :D
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-08-08 13:41:55Z
Wait is this code flippin the endianness?aBuffer[i++] = (pPacket->m_Token>>24)&0xff; // token aBuffer[i++] = (pPacket->m_Token>>16)&0xff; aBuffer[i++] = (pPacket->m_Token>>8)&0xff; aBuffer[i++] = (pPacket->m_Token)&0xff;
13:42
fakin bitflippas
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 13:43:26Z
holy shit yes!
13:43
omg its working
14:12
Thanks to cheeser0613 for report

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  • [ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
  • [ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://...
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chillerdragon: what are you doing?
15:03
also, tokens don't really have an endianness, just send them out the same way you received them
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-08-08 15:09:15Z
Well they ended up wrong.Im trying to support connecting to 0.7 servers with ddnet Client. (@heinrich5991)
also, tokens don't really have an endianness, just send them out the same way you received them
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that's what you wanted to use my dissector for? ^^
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-08-08 15:11:23Z
Yea for debugging.
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cool 🙂
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-08-08 15:11:48Z
But my 0.7 server is already printing pretty much the same information but still very cool to have a dissector
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526861f Update language files, remove half-translated graphics warning - def- 614a5b3 Easter egg - def- 68e8d7d Merge #5712 - bors[bot]
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  • [ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
  • [ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
  • [ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-addres...
15:16

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  • [ ] Tested the change ingame
  • [ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
  • [ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
  • [ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
  • [ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
  • [ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
  • [ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-addres...
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20bfdba Update simplified_chinese.txt - Cheeser0613 1a0ba4e Update traditional_chinese.txt - Cheeser0613 3273781 Merge #5713 #5714 - bors[bot]
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Good morning or evening, could you explain to me how to create an xp system, I mean by making a kill you get a point
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oh
17:44
thanks
17:45
can you tell me where i start work
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in what file or where
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but i need it with a register and login, so u can save your points 😬
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 17:47:20Z
its all in the video and video series
17:47
also on how to create a account using chat commands
17:48
i could send you some filenames but not sure how much that helps. What code base do you use ddnet or teeworlds? Anyways gamecontext.cpp and ddracechat.cpp are good files to look at
17:49
just skip through the videos if you are only interetested in the general idea
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oh wait what do you mean with it
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon
i could send you some filenames but not sure how much that helps. What code base do you use ddnet or teeworlds? Anyways gamecontext.cpp and ddracechat.cpp are good files to look at
im using ddnet
17:51
and an xp system like BlmapChill? i mean farming from staying in a tile
17:51
1 xp and money per sec
17:54
fokkonaut tell me to look https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet
DDraceNetwork, a free cooperative platformer game. Contribute to ddnet/ddnet development by creating an account on GitHub.
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:06:54Z
i did not cover farmtiles yet but good idea i can do that
18:07
you can do those in character.cpp
18:07
@Deleted User if you are interested in ddnet with accounts and farmtiles you can also try https://github.com/DDNetPP/DDNetPP sadly it is not very stable right now
DDraceNetwork + city + block! Based on ddnet (www.ddnet.tw) which is based on teeworlds (www.teeworlds.com). - GitHub - DDNetPP/DDNetPP: DDraceNetwork + city + block! Based on ddnet (www.ddnet.tw) ...
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thanks!
18:08
amh what i have to do xd
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:08:48Z
for farmtiles?
18:08
DDraceNetwork, a free cooperative platformer game. Contribute to ddnet/ddnet development by creating an account on GitHub.
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ohhh
18:09
ddnet++
18:09
how can i use it
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:09:19Z
DDraceNetwork, a free cooperative platformer game. Contribute to ddnet/ddnet development by creating an account on GitHub.
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okay
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:09:38Z
@Deleted User its a ddnet server you just start it and then you can use chat commands in game like /register and so on
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is like a normal ddnet?
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:09:56Z
it is like normal ddnet + accounts and a few other additions
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how can i start the client xd
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:10:22Z
there is no client
18:10
its server only
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only files?
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:10:45Z
did you ever start a teeworlds server? -.-
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yes..
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but not like that
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:11:11Z
here is a exe that you can just double click to run
18:11
that build is from 2019 so its quite outdated i recommend building it from source
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i need it for?
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:11:45Z
do you know how to compile ddnet source code?
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no
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D:
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:12:02Z
well then i recommend starting with that
18:12
before you think about writing code
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@Deleted User i already told you to look at the building instructions on github.com/ddnet/ddnet like 1 hour ago :D
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:12:30Z
works the same way for ddnet
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xd
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no, you wrote me "send portal files plz"
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no
18:13
before that
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why do you delete your message
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im talking with you not 50 people
18:13
i mean
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they can see it anyways
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1930 people
18:13
i know
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seems like not
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foko shat
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why do you delete your message
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@fokkonaut @Deleted User please stop taunting each other
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nice reason xd
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:19:39Z
cyber police arrived !
18:20
what is your final goal even @Deleted User ?
18:20
and how much work are you willing to put in?
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon
and how much work are you willing to put in?
i can spend 5 hours a day into that
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon
what is your final goal even @Deleted User ?
make a good server, not a trash one
18:21
im trying to learn
18:21
so
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KOG BRA ?
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no
18:21
block server
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SIM
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😠
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wha?
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:23:09Z
@Deleted User okay so i really recommend getting the source code to compile and then do a few changes to it and see how that works
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5Gb of visual studio
18:23
wow
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:23:42Z
yes
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okay
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:23:51Z
thats why i asked about your commitment
18:23
the first step is the hardest
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yea xd
18:26
chiller is that?
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:26:59Z
yes
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i have to dowloand vscode after right?
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:27:30Z
you dont have to
18:27
this step is optional
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oh
18:27
thats grate
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:27:52Z
i personally think vscode is nicer than visual studio as its more lightweight and faster
18:28
but you can also use visual studio to edit the code which makse sense if you use it to compile as well
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mh
18:29
could you tell me all the steps i will have to do? I mean by learning how to create map systems
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:30:48Z
no i can not "tell you all the steps [..] to create map systems" in this chat
18:31
I do not even know what "create map systems" is
18:31
You seem to have a very complex goal. I can not give you detailed instructions on all of it. But as I said to get started developing in ddnet you need to be able to compile and then you can play around with the code to get familiar
18:33
my youtube series gives some examples and is designed for complete beginners to get their hands dirty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB_aSIOmdu4&list=PLhJkqAQmOh5LyYOfnMy4PJB6CSZltQyTc its made for teeworlds not ddnet but the concepts are pretty much the same and you can apply it to ddnet code. I usually mention what woud be different in ddnet
18:33
and then you can tackle your bigger goals of build a full ddnet mod. Start with small goals and go step by step
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this mork even for ddnet?
18:36
or only teeworlds
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon
my youtube series gives some examples and is designed for complete beginners to get their hands dirty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB_aSIOmdu4&list=PLhJkqAQmOh5LyYOfnMy4PJB6CSZltQyTc its made for teeworlds not ddnet but the concepts are pretty much the same and you can apply it to ddnet code. I usually mention what woud be different in ddnet
i arl did that
18:37
bit my teeworlds is bugged like shit xd
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:37:24Z
how is it bugged?
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all the fonts are bugged
18:37
i send u a photo
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:37:52Z
make sure your data folders are in the right location
18:38
you need a data folder next to the client that you start
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finally a tutorial to teach a monkey(me) how to compile this, and i like how the volume keep getting lowerkek
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🤔 1
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Deleted User
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have you tried other language?
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:39:41Z
@cheeser0613 somehow i always fuck up sound
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cheeser0613
have you tried other language?
nop
18:39
wait
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:39:51Z
ou that screen looks cursed :D
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon
ou that screen looks cursed :D
yea xd
18:40
visual studio is dowloand
18:40
grate
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Deleted User
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Disable texture compression
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i will start
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Jupstar ✪
Disable texture compression
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:40:28Z
well you are interested in server development anyways so you can ignore the client
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In graphic settings inside the game
18:40
Then restart
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what do you mean cursed, it looks normal to me
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:40:56Z
CHINA be like :D
18:41
latest version has better symbol support
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aaa thanks
18:41
is fixed
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:41:30Z
jopstar pro
18:41
u can ask him anything gfx related
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cheeser0613
what do you mean cursed, it looks normal to me
hhahaha
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:41:40Z
he is founder of amd
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chiller so i do that?
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:42:07Z
yes
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I made rtx 4090 single handed
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:42:15Z
wat ever "that" is
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and i start modify some codes?
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:42:31Z
@Jupstar ✪ amd rtx 4090 :d
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Yes
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:42:39Z
yes gogogo hack away
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4090x
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8080
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:43:00Z
3000
18:45
pink rat
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[quakenet] Konsti BOT 2022-08-08 18:46:46Z
Serious question: Why is the name "Niger" banned on DDNet? Its a country in Africa and a State in Nigeria. Pretty racist lol
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:47:00Z
is it?
18:47
isnt there a active player with a way more offensive name?
18:48
I can hear heinrich furiously breathing in my neck
18:48
"please do not discuss rules"
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admins words are final and authority should never be doubted in public chat in the ddnet state
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discussing rules is a bannable offense
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Konsti: maybe some trol used it to be offensive and then someone tried to fix the situation
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Let's start a revolution chillerdragon
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:51:02Z
last revolution got ryo (the best mod) kicked from staff
18:51
no chance
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[quakenet] Konsti BOT 2022-08-08 18:51:17Z
Ryo became good based goy after he was kicked
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:51:30Z
Konsti even has to use irc
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[quakenet] Konsti BOT 2022-08-08 18:51:42Z
i like IRC
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:51:45Z
OKE
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[quakenet] Konsti BOT 2022-08-08 18:51:48Z
no accounts=good
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:51:59Z
yes irc is good
18:52
but that fact that you need a "no accounts" place to be able to freely speak is sad
18:52
censornet
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[quakenet] Konsti BOT 2022-08-08 18:52:53Z
deen is the best admin
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 18:53:02Z
true
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:53:04Z
all hail deen
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 18:54:16Z
i rqed discord cuz of heinrich
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[quakenet] Konsti BOT 2022-08-08 18:54:56Z
xd
18:55
understandable
18:55
some admins try too much to influence players and chat behaviour. That doesnt work in a game full of emotions and people of all countrys
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:56:01Z
The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Karl Popper described it as the seemingly self-contradictory idea that in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must retain the right to be intolerant of intolerance.
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 18:56:10Z
true Konsti
18:56
dont hate me but he might just close off the bridge so i cant type here haha
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[quakenet] Konsti BOT 2022-08-08 18:56:36Z
rip
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 18:56:46Z
i smell it
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 18:56:56Z
a wot
18:57
no riot in my irc pls :c
18:57
i live here
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[quakenet] Konsti
some admins try too much to influence players and chat behaviour. That doesnt work in a game full of emotions and people of all countrys
No u
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 19:01:27Z
no u
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:02:45Z
learath dont ghost pink rat he asked question :c
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Konsti: btw why do you even care?
19:03
do you want to play with that name? or just curious?
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[quakenet] Konsti BOT 2022-08-08 19:03:30Z
curious
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black lives matter
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because
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What was the question?
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[quakenet] Konsti BOT 2022-08-08 19:07:29Z
[20:46] <+Konsti> Serious question: Why is the name "Niger" banned on DDNet? Its a country in Africa and a State in Nigeria. Pretty racist lol
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[quakenet] Konsti
Serious question: Why is the name "Niger" banned on DDNet? Its a country in Africa and a State in Nigeria. Pretty racist lol
d
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 19:08:44Z
It's actually also a pre-name
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It probably got banned because it is within 1 levenshtein distance of the racial slur you love so much
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Namebans we do with levenshtein distance 1 or 2 by default if the word is long enough
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:15:09Z
but there is a player using the name with 0 levenstein distance?
19:15
or used to be maybe he is banned now :c his points are still there
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I'm in the middle of the Mediterranean. Mine is just a guess
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:15:55Z
is "guy" banned? hrhrhr
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i red "Mediterranean mine"
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"gay" isn't banned either afaik
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:16:25Z
ah
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because gay is not a insult :p
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ddnet very anti lgbtq+
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i mean queer ppl also use the term gay but most players using that name use it in a negative sense
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Yes so anti lgbtqiaa2s+ that we famously ban all of them
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:18:12Z
tripple iaa standard
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wotefek is that xd
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I can't follow it anymore either.
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:18:51Z
well its no secret that homophobia is widly ignored/accepted in ddnet
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 19:20:06Z
but u get banned if u say 1 thing against "moderation"
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:20:30Z
i guess you can not make it right for anyone
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everyone*
19:20
omg english is hard
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well its no secret that homophobia is widly ignored/accepted in ddnet
I try to work against that; ingame moderation tools are limited unfortunately
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We can't fix things not reported to us
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:22:12Z
its not about big incidents
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its more like that it is common sense that "gay part" means "bad part"
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but u get banned if u say 1 thing against "moderation"
that refers to getting muted for discussing moderator actions
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:23:00Z
most of the users have nothing against gays but that wording still gives convidence to those who actually mean it
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its more like that it is common sense that "gay part" means "bad part"
although I wouldn't use that word this way, I wouldn't say that this is what I'd understand when you say 'ddnet has a problem with homophobia'
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it's also in the dictionary, with that meaning
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(slang, derogatory) Used to express dislike: lame, uncool, stupid.
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:24:32Z
i know "gay" as happy?
19:24
not lame
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i know "gay" as happy?
that's not really in use anymore
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:25:13Z
maybe im just too conservative then haha
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it falls more under the 'thou hast angered me' category
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:25:27Z
should ask some queers if they feel offended by that
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fokkonaut: do you mind me saying "gay" hrhrhhr
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ok lame joke sorry
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wotefek is "thou hast angered me" :D
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older english
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I honestly always found this discussion silly. Words have different connotations in different regions in different contexts. Calling a part gay has nothing to do with homophobia but just habitual speech. Does "fuck" really have anything to do with intercourse in most contexts? Sanitization of language is a silly liberal fetish. Do you think banning the use of words will change the opinions of people?
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:28:30Z
A so only Shakespeare uses gay as happy
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Yea I am with you to some degree. But nobody gets offended by fuck. Using a minority as a synonym for bad normalized discrimination imo (@Learath2)
I honestly always found this discussion silly. Words have different connotations in different regions in different contexts. Calling a part gay has nothing to do with homophobia but just habitual speech. Does "fuck" really have anything to do with intercourse in most contexts? Sanitization of language is a silly liberal fetish. Do you think banning the use of words will change the opinions of people?
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It creates a bad stigma even if it’s just a joke
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It becomes a very thin line if those jokes really get into details of the sexual orientation
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And do you think banning people that are not actually homophobic for habitual speech will fix homophobia?
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Do you think banning the n-word made Konsti less of a white supremacist?
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:31:23Z
To that degree that it took me way to long to realize that one dude in tw Chat honestly had proper hate against gays
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No I don’t think that
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Im against censor
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Just wanted to point out how I feel about that
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I don’t approve the tolerance Paradoxon
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I prefer anarchy
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anarchy means I kick you out because I have +o?
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:33:37Z
No
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ah, that's bad anarchy
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:33:51Z
Anarchy in the sense of nobody with kick rights
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Everyone has the same power
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[quakenet] Konsti BOT 2022-08-08 19:33:58Z
lmao heinrich you cannot apply "western standards" to a worldwide community with mostly very conservative religious playerbase. You one one side have strict christians in East Europe and Latinamerica and on the other Hand strict Muslims in a big part. xD You cant force them your subjective opinion about Morality
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chillerdragon
Everyone has the same power
That's not just anarchy, who is stopping people from getting more power?
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ddos is anarchy 😉
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I can tell them not to insult others, regardless of where they're from
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[quakenet] fokkonaut_ BOT 2022-08-08 19:35:14Z
PuBliC mOdERatIoN DiscUsSIonS wILl bE bAnnEd
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please stop it 😦
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:35:38Z
Yes it’s not all good. But rules don’t help against ddos either (@heinrich5991)
I can tell them not to insult others, regardless of where they&#x27;re from
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[quakenet] Konsti BOT 2022-08-08 19:35:40Z
that is, regardless where they from, a common thing in an emotional game like teeworlds. This isnt a safe space
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[quakenet] fokkonaut_ BOT 2022-08-08 19:35:52Z
@heinrich5991 just see how you treat me, LOL
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I haven't said a word about 'safe spaces'
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:36:23Z
I just like environments where admins don’t use their power to enforce rules. That’s what I mean by anarchy (@Learath2)
That&#x27;s not just anarchy, who is stopping people from getting more power?
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I just said "I can tell them not to insult others, regardless of where they're from"
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[quakenet] fokkonaut_ BOT 2022-08-08 19:36:41Z
ok nvm bro xD
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[quakenet] Konsti BOT 2022-08-08 19:36:48Z
and having different views on lgbt is not your business because not all the world shares your opinion xD. You wouldnt even find staff in chile servers to make people stop that
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and if you disagree with that, I'll be happy to show you the door, Konsti
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'having different views on lgbt' doesn't mean you get to insult people
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that's just being an asshole
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I just like environments where admins don’t use their power to enforce rules. That’s what I mean by anarchy (@Learath2)
That's not anarchy. That requires some sort of all powerful entity to keep everyone equal or requires everyone to be all powerful
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[quakenet] fokkonaut_ BOT 2022-08-08 19:37:42Z
I definitely wasnt kept equal for heinrich ^^
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Some sort of messed up socialism
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:37:59Z
Yes. Totally agree (<@749222324980416602_=5bquakenet=5d=20=4bonsti>)
and having different views on lgbt is not your business because not all the world shares your opinion xD. You wouldnt even find staff in chile servers to make people stop that
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Anarcho communism of sorths
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I don't get where you come from that you think it's okay to insult people if they're from a certain subgroup
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but only then
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[quakenet] Konsti BOT 2022-08-08 19:38:43Z
i mean im glad ddnet has pretty low level of moderation, otherwise i would be lifebanned and i agree there should be a minimum level of "behaviour" but damn let people express their emotions if they die after 4h of playing xD
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can you give an example of behavior you wouldn't want to be banned, Konsti?
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[quakenet] fokkonaut_ BOT 2022-08-08 19:39:18Z
saying "chill" to you, thanks
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:39:20Z
I mean. A admin should implement code to enforce rules not human decisions (@Learath2)
That&#x27;s not anarchy. That requires some sort of all powerful entity to keep everyone equal or requires everyone to be all powerful
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[quakenet] Konsti BOT 2022-08-08 19:39:32Z
doesnt mean they have to shout "NI****" but crying in caps and calling someone a retard shouldnt be punished because its emotions
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chillerdragon
I mean. A admin should implement code to enforce rules not human decisions (@Learath2)
How could code that cant even figure out the structure of sentences figure out what hate speech is
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:40:40Z
Like use antibot code to ban bots and allow alll chat usage. Whoever is offended can use client side mute feature. And there is no need for a admin to punish users manually
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Just allow hate speech
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And let every user censor them self what they dislike
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But ye I get it kids game and all
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chillerdragon
And let every user censor them self what they dislike
how do you do this?
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 19:41:23Z
make tw 18+
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You make your own community and allow hate speech a là 4chan
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:41:33Z
Yes
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It’s not that I want to do hate speech. I just wan to speak freely and discuss rules without the constant fear or getting banned by ddnet staff due to their disagreement
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 19:42:26Z
@heinrich5991
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@heinrich5991
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You spam, then you wonder why you get banned
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Bizarre behaviour
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 19:42:50Z
Didnt spam
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chillerdragon
It’s not that I want to do hate speech. I just wan to speak freely and discuss rules without the constant fear or getting banned by ddnet staff due to their disagreement
When did you ever get banned for discussing rules? There is very little you ever get banned for. Grossly offensive speech is the only thing that comes to mind
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[quakenet] Konsti BOT 2022-08-08 19:44:50Z
you get instantly banned for discussing rules
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Discussing specific moderator actions is a mute
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[quakenet] Konsti BOT 2022-08-08 19:44:58Z
"creating drama"
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 19:45:08Z
I got timed out today for saying "chill he is from my server"
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Konsti: We are discussing rules right now. Are you banned?
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 19:45:24Z
heinrichs reason was: dont judge my moderation
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LMAO
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:45:58Z
Oh i did. get banned and muted a lot
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Not recently but it happens
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[quakenet] Konsti BOT 2022-08-08 19:46:29Z
and discussing mods... lmao. Censorship really doesnt help. Admins absolutely dont care about reports. So you ban one by one unless someone is so bad that it creates a shitstorm
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Discussing specific moderator action*
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And we ofc care about reports, recently a mod was removed due to player reports
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 19:49:42Z
unless someone is so bad that it creates a shitstorm
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:50:54Z
Imo it creates a toxic environment when there is a administrator that decides what is allowed to say and what is not
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 19:51:12Z
F3
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:51:17Z
I do not feel like I can speak freely in here
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 19:51:32Z
heinrichs response once: "you cant"
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:51:37Z
And I would not call my self a hateful or edgy person
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Yet you still do speak extremely freely
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:52:00Z
How do you know what I hold back?
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We are responsible for the kind of speech on our servers. I'm sorry. We don't want to allow hate speech. It's very simple
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:52:48Z
I wouldn‘t consider disagreeing with a admin hate speech
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 19:52:57Z
was just about to say tha
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t
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How hard it is to not just be hateful of others? Literally 3 rules. Keep personal drama in DMs, don't use hare speech, don't talk about specific moderator actions
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:53:26Z
It’s the last part
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 19:53:58Z
You see how good rule #3 works? Disallowing things never worked in history, you should simply talk openly about it, make clear what is happening, instead of (maybe) having conflicts based on misunderstandings.
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aka heinrichs judgements
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Idk why you guys want to be able to say the n word so badly
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Instead of reporting his supposedly horrible action to any of the admins you've been going on about it with an open racist and a libertarian. How sure are you that his moderation action was wrong,m
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:55:51Z
Missed the pint (@funman)
Idk why you guys want to be able to say the n word so badly
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Point
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not really
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you say you want anarachy
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and thats dumb af
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If you are so confident he made a gross mistake, go report it to any of us. Do you think heinrich controls all 5 of the admins?
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its not a restriction of your liberties to be able to not use hate speech to others
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 19:56:52Z
@Learath2 I go with nobody, I am just agreeing with Chiller that its better not to censor talking about moderators' actions. LOL
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funman
its not a restriction of your liberties to be able to not use hate speech to others
to be fair, they're currently talking about the rule "do not discuss specific moderator actions"
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:57:05Z
I prefer toxic messages from people without power that I can mute. Over toxic admins that censor me for everyone based on their emotions
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In reality you know you've been acting like a total degenerate for the last 3 months, that's why you go on about it publicly trying to get fringe people on your side
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chillerdragon
I prefer toxic messages from people without power that I can mute. Over toxic admins that censor me for everyone based on their emotions
different debate
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:57:47Z
? (@Learath2)
In reality you know you&#x27;ve been acting like a total degenerate for the last 3 months, that&#x27;s why you go on about it publicly trying to get fringe people on your side
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i say you saying you think hate speech shouldnt be banned
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saw*
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chillerdragon
I prefer toxic messages from people without power that I can mute. Over toxic admins that censor me for everyone based on their emotions
Multiple admins exist. If you think one of us muted you for emotional reasons. Just report it to another
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idk if the admins are toxic or not
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chillerdragon
? (@Learath2)
Not you, fokkonaut
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from what ive seen they have be doing a good job
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 19:58:35Z
@Learath2 in reality its you being a degenerate, lol. It started with your anger :) I just dont want to keep it silent anymore, since of course in that situation you were "not the one to make a mistake" :D Of course, cuz an admin can not do any mistakes.
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:58:56Z
Yea it’s okay sure.
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Until it isn’t :d
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I want a revolution. Then u can call myself revolutionary, and that's pretty badass
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-08-08 19:59:18Z
And if it isn’t there is no space for conversation anymore
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wow the slippery slope fallacy
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 20:00:29Z
@learath2 instead of solving things diplomatically you try to push one to the corner and try to hide your own mistakes.
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You don't want to keep it silent. Yet you didn't even try complaining to another admin. You just went and made vague accusations
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 20:02:20Z
What kinda admin writes "In reality you know you've been acting like a total degenerate for the last 3 months, that's why you go on about it publicly trying to get fringe people on your side"?
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As an answer to "I go with nobody, I am just agreeing with Chiller that its better not to censor talking about moderators' actions. LOL"
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So much to the topic hate speech
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Simple, it wasnt an answer to that
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 20:03:41Z
Well, it doesnt matter whether it was a direct answer or not
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fokkonaut: please report problems with specific moderator actions to other admins, not in public chat. this is your last warning
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 20:04:02Z
What? I was just referring to the last messages he wrote
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 20:04:16Z
what was the reason for that rule again?
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I'm a bit late, sorry
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 20:04:34Z
Yea heinrich, better check the history and see it yourself
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also @Learath2 and fokkonaut, calling others degenerate is clearly insulting
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 20:04:50Z
What about a ddnet server where there are no chat rules? o.O
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host one ChillerDragon
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 20:05:06Z
i offer it to deen every year
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he declines
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host one outside of DDNet
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 20:05:21Z
i do that since always
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but i can not get ddnet points and use the chat freely
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for example using chat bots and similar
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 20:05:42Z
@heinrich5991 Look. If an admin that tries to go against us disliking such rules comes with insults around the corner, why should I say "hey, bro, very nice of you, thanks!"
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you shouldn't insult people
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon
What about a ddnet server where there are no chat rules? o.O
Not possible if you have more than >10 players ^^
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 20:06:08Z
@Learathj2
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 20:06:11Z
heat has to go somewhere
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@Avolicious hm?
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omg discord replys
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and another person also doing that isn't an excuse
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-08-08 20:06:26Z
i rq
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 20:06:48Z
@heinrich5991 no, of course its not, im not saying that, but do you see how you prefer him again over me?
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@Learath2 hasn't been insulting me in DMs in the last couple of hours, last that I checked
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I also pinged him
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 20:07:20Z
I havent insulted you either
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Insults aren't hate speech. The way you have been acting for the last 3 months, I just haven't found any words to describe it better
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon
@Avolicious hm?
Hosting a service for all kinds of people comes with responsibility, by law and 3rd parties
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 20:07:38Z
I told you what I dislike, cuz you muted me for "public moderation discussion"
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Insults aren't hate speech. The way you have been acting for the last 3 months, I just haven't found any words to describe it better
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Ah, and you felt attacked by the freeze change
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complain to other admins, not in public chat fokkonaut
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[quakenet] fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 20:09:06Z
Well, if learath insults me and has so much anger he doesnt know where to put, and you keep ignoring the important questions i asked u in dm, then where else should i go? Why do you make yourself an enemy if only I want to solve things diplomatically and with same rights for everyone in here?
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[quakenet] heinrich5991 BOT 2022-08-08 20:09:18Z
(kicked)
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@ChillerDragon, just read JuSchG ( Jugendschutzgesetz ) in germany ( esp. Abs. 3 §10 a, b )
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[quakenet] fokkonaut_ BOT 2022-08-08 20:09:30Z
Very original.
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" if only I want to solve things diplomatically", that always don't sound good
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justatest
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[quakenet] fokkonaut_ BOT 2022-08-08 20:09:57Z
Maybe keep out if you dont have a clue
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I saw your convos with heinrich too
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i pretty much know
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I'm not particularly angry tbf
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But if you don't trust me to take proper action either there is still deen, murpi and snail
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I made the IRC channel moderated, and kicked Nimda which voiced all joining people
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5 people with admin rights, yet you don't believe a single one will agree with you. Could it maybe be that maybe you are in the wrong here?
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well, at least I installed an IRC client on my new laptop now
kek 1
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As I learned things from here, it's never a good thing to blame others if you cannot see the problem in the first place and somehow fokko's conversation kinda proves that he likes to dodge solutions for those problems and just want to create more out of spite or hate
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fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 20:15:52Z
Yeah makes sense
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fokkoff-naut gigachad
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Zwelf: please ban fokkonaut from the bridge, he's evading
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fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 20:16:15Z
insult
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jk, idk, imma just sit and eat popcorn while i read this chat 🍿 (edited)
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Anyway, before I go sleep. I'd like to restate. We have very little rules and discussion of them are completely fine. Don't use hate speech, keep personal stuff in DMs and report specific mod actions you disagree with to admins.
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lol how many accs would you use to argue?
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fokkonaut BOT 2022-08-08 20:16:38Z
Just have a bit of fairness
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Then its fine
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fokkonaut: Just where do you see this going? Do you think we'll reconsider if you keep evading?
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btw how do you guys join discord server as a bot? seems quite interesting.
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why not use the discord mobile client?
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heinrich5991
Zwelf: please ban fokkonaut from the bridge, he's evading
done
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external app or website which you can anonymously join to a discord "bridge" via bot accs like fokkonaut has
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SPYRES
btw how do you guys join discord server as a bot? seems quite interesting.
you can join this channel on irc.quakenet.org (#ddnet) and on matrix
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so basically all custom? whats the appeal in doing that other than coding something up yourself?
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Zwelf can probably tell you how to connect on matrix
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oh cool cheers, will take a look
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SPYRES
so basically all custom? whats the appeal in doing that other than coding something up yourself?
it's not custom, it bridges existing chat protocols together. IRC, matrix and discord
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Matrix: https://matrix.to/#/#ddnet:matrix.org contains all currently bridged rooms (#developer and #wiki + #announcements + #map-releases). (edited)
You're invited to talk on Matrix
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The previous hash function was heavily biased towards the hash buckets 64-79, making those buckets overflow faster, which results in snapshot CRC errors and lags. Using the djb2 hash yields an almost even distribution over the entire range of values. Source for djb2: http://www.cse.yorku.ca/~oz/hash.html (we incidentally use the same implementation for str_quickhash) Sample which compares the usage of hash buckets in the test map from #5454 with the old and new hash function: [Sna...
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i absolutely love it when straight people try to tell gay people what they should or shouldn't be offended by (BONUS POINTS if they don't actually give a shit personally)
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but meh, such is expected from people who think free speech is more important than unbigoted speech (edited)
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lolz, IRC cowards won't even see the real message i typed since i had to edit it, so even if they choose to argue they argue about the wrong thing troll
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you didn't see the other conversation likely
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