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Between 2022-07-30 00:00:00Z and 2022-07-31 00:00:00Z

mind

What did you do to the editor, it is so unstable lately. You have to map in constant fear of a crash, a few days ago I even had a crash while saving and the map got buggy (luckily created a backup-file shortly before). (edited)

im experiencing the same

louis

im experiencing the same

is it only on version 16.1 to 16.2 ?

[ddnet/ddnet-web] Pull request opened: #207 Add VirtualList rendering

So I rewrote the rendering a bit using a virtual list (https://github.com/sergi/virtual-list) I modified the source quite a bit tho to fit our needs better, e.g. skin rendering. It's defs much faster, search or changing filters is pretty much instant now. Disadvantage is ofc that its not a table anymore, since it doesn't know the width of the rendered items, so it might create useless whitespace where it would actually not be needed. Best is you just check it out before merging, ...

i got so confused, i thought it was introducing web rendering into the client

html + css would be amazing xdd

07:07

but javascript sucks

Should we update the steam capsules/screenshots to match the current version of ddnet?

lets wait until ninja skin is replaced with smth fitting xD

07:24

but yeah should probs be updated some time

07:24

also this screenshot looks ugly https://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/412220/ss_bf95f71d5dcd7013af5888a61d07673068d6d557.1920x1080.jpg?t=1646225107

Embedded image

07:25

should generally be deleted

07:25

alone the freeze that stops on the unhook tiles

07:25

horrible xd

yeah this screenshot lacks any real dynamic feeling

07:29

oh man what if crowded Back In Time 3 screenshot was used

@Jupstar ✪ got a crash with new gpu driver, not old one: https://steamcommunity.com/app/412220/discussions/0/3463849349658412872/

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after update amd driver to 22.7.1 game crash when i try to play with this error in log DDNet.exe caused an Access Violation at location 00007FF9D631AAAB in module atio6axx.dll Reading from location 0000000000000428. AddrPC Params 00007FF9D631AAAB 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 atio6axx.dll!eglGetProcAddress 00007FF9D61D8DAB 0...

deen

@Jupstar ✪ got a crash with new gpu driver, not old one: https://steamcommunity.com/app/412220/discussions/0/3463849349658412872/

looks to me like he uses "pure" wayland which only works with GLES or if you install the GLEW-egl package(only exists on some distros, e.g. arch)

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #5676 Game crash with new AMD GPU driver

As reported on Discord:

after update amd driver to 22.7.1 game crash when i try to play with this error in log

DDNet.exe caused an Access Violation at location 00007FF9D631AAAB in module atio6axx.dll Reading from location 0000000000000428.

AddrPC Params

00007FF9D631AAAB 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 atio6axx.dll!eglGetProcAddress 00007FF9D61D8DAB 0000008DD71FF301 000001E783A72080 0000000000000001 atio6axx.dll!eglGetProcAddress 00007FF9D61D943F 0000000...

Oh, can you respond to him or should I send him that?

i can ask him

But if he has crashdump he should be on Windows

08:08

not wayland

true

08:10

but why does it load EGL, makes no sense

[ddnet/ddnet-web] Pull request closed: #207 [Skindatabase] Add VirtualList rendering

08:38

[ddnet-web:master] 2 new commits

d61480e Add VirtualList rendering - Jupeyy b8e59bb Merge pull request #207 from Jupeyy/pr_vlist - def-

08:38

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #5677 Remove or use CFlag dead code

src/game/server/entities/flag.cpp and src/game/server/entities/flag.h are entirely commented out. We shoud either remove this dead code or make it work again.

08:41

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

6fe13cf Try to fix header bg color - def-

08:43

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

6fcd56c Another try - def-

Hi, is there any kind of guide on how to customize a client? (HUD and some simple stuff like that)

bubliman

Hi, is there any kind of guide on how to customize a client? (HUD and some simple stuff like that)

it was ask quite lot in this discord, but I dunno if there is an official guide, but maybe with the discord search function u'll find smth useful

09:15

or on the data discord

Jupstar ✪

or on the data discord

whats the data discord?

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/342454474117218334/930925542138609754

@Patiga https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5642#issuecomment-1192529045 does your tool support this?

Option to remove weak hook & bounce by Jupeyy · Pull Request #5642 ...

Fixes #5641 server side only Checklist Tested the change ingame Provided screenshots if it is a visual change Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options Written a unit t...

10:39

disallow server commands

if I read correctly its about adding a setting to the map info?

yeah so they dont add it to new maps for now

ah, displaying a warning that a specific setting is set

10:41

yes that is a check that could easily be added, would add it to twmap_check_ddnet

10:41

oh I remember I also wanted to add something different to it, have to go back through messages to check what it was, got sidetracked a lot by twgpu and having not time available ^^

would be nice

from tuesday on I will have a lot of time on my hands :)

Patiga

oh I remember I also wanted to add something different to it, have to go back through messages to check what it was, got sidetracked a lot by twgpu and having not time available ^^

are there still plans for twgpu? D.

10:45

yes, definitely!

10:46

am still working on it with the little time I had

nice

hope I can ramp up the progress again, I enjoy coding graphics quite a lot, it can be very rewarding

yeah its a nice alternative to CPU programming

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

f34e1d0 Attempt 3 - def-

@deen what do i need to do to enable theme switching locally btw?

Image attachment

poor deen struggling with some background color

i always get 404's also for the halloween css

Chairn

poor deen struggling with some background color

but kinda my fault, since i didnt test it locally

Basically this: https://hookrace.net/blog/theme-switcher-nginx/

10:58

but it's working

ah ok ty

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5678 Reset selected quads when switching layers (fixes #5673)

Checklist

[x] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-addres...

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5679 Fix tab and F10 keys working inconsistently in editor

By moving the calls to KeyPress from CEditor::OnUpdate to OnRender. Closes #5669.

Checklist

[X] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the ch...

11:39

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5680 Remove CFlag dead code (fixes #5677)

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-addres...

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #5681 MacOS build failure in video.cpp

``` [157/269] Building CXX object CMakeFiles/DDNet.dir/src/engine/client/video.cpp.o FAILED: CMakeFiles/DDNet.dir/src/engine/client/video.cpp.o /Applications/Xcode_13.2.1.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/c++ -DCONF_DEBUG -DCONF_GLEW_HAS_CONTEXT_INIT -DCONF_INFORM_UPDATE -DCONF_VIDEORECORDER -DGAME_RELEASE_VERSION="16.2.2" -DGLEW_STATIC -I/Users/runner/work/ddnet/ddnet/debug/src -I/Users/runner/work/ddnet/ddnet/src -isystem /usr/local/opt/freetype/inclu...

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #5587 holding hook and chatting breaks prediction = no hook, but its kept afterwards

12:53

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #5652 Inputs while speccing and GAMEINFOFLAG_BUG_DDRACE_INPUT

Valve is making a big change to the way developers can market their games on Steam. Beginning September 1st, graphical assets developers use in their store listings will only be able to include game artwork, the game’s name, and any official subtitle. Images won’t be able to include review scores, award names or logos, text that markets discounts, or text promoting a different product.

14:22

>

14:22

(was meant to be a quote)

14:23

https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/28/23283068/valve-steam-awards-reviews-store-images

Valve won’t allow awards and reviews on Steam store images starting...

It could be a big change for developers.

14:23

a company doing good stuff

14:23

https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/wbdmzk/valve_wont_allow_awards_and_reviews_on_steam/

r/Steam - Valve won’t allow awards and reviews on Steam store image...

4,566 votes and 219 comments so far on Reddit

Ryozuki

(was meant to be a quote)

edit was made for this monkalaugh

monkalaugh

2 lazy xd

14:26

and irc

irc? you don't show as a quakenet bot

irc resents edited messages

14:27

the bot

Ryozuki

a company doing good stuff

Here is to hoping our lord and savior gaben is immortal

14:37

If he ever dies or decides to sell valve the immense monopoly power of steam will be unleashed on us poor proles

yeah

14:37

but he said he wont give it to his son

14:37

maybe he will find someone proper

i don't think any modern, recent and international company can survive the death of its founder, in the spirit i mean

well

14:38

apple did

14:38

hmm idk what u mean by spirit

the way the company treats its clients, the general state of mind

14:39

apple kinda went a little down since 2011, no?

14:39

milking more and more everyone

14:39

although, im not sure if it would have been so different with Steve Jobs

Probably not, Jobs liked his sweet profits just like every other capitalist, and Apple is a publicly traded company that is bound by law to maximize the profits of it's shareholders

14:45

The key to valve not crushing us peasants is private ownership. Gabe doesn't need to pursue profits if he doesn't feel like it. He is like a benevolent dictator

14:45

A proper profit maximizing valve would be devastating, steam is literally a monopoly

Does Gaben just pocket all the valve money? They have so few employees idk where it all goes

15:18

Each employee could get 25 million in equity xd

why go public when u dont need to

What would you like to do? (@bubliman)

Hi, is there any kind of guide on how to customize a client? (HUD and some simple stuff like that)

Gaben only owns like half of valve. The rest is employee equity and I think some bigger private individual shares. Like his ex wife iirc

Why are memcpy and std::copy reversed in their call order?

15:43

Couldn't they just simply keep the same order...

15:44

memcpy is memcpy(dest, source, size) std::copy is std::copy(source_start, source_end, dest_start)...

they arent the same i guess

15:47

start ptr, end ptr

15:47

vs start ptr size

yeah, but they could have kept the same order with dest first then source

copy start into dest

15:48

guess its more intuitive

15:48

always think like u writing english

i prefer memcpy way, closer to assignment writing

15:48

dest = source (repeat size times)

15:49

copy is from start to end into dest

15:49

weirder

copy this ptr that ends at this location into dest

source[start:end] -> dest

15:50

doesn't feel very c

15:50

almost like VHDL or verilog, but still reversed

dont waste ur time and just accept it xD

i want to waste my time

15:51

scumbag c++ comitee

chillerdragon

What would you like to do? (@bubliman)

already done, thanks to someones help

Image attachment

What did you do?

clientside ability to make everyone the skin that i have

oh neat

yeah everyone can be default no colors thats what i wanted

lmobsessiono

if i replace a single mem_copy in graphics_threaded with std::copy, there are visual glitches everywhere

show me the diff

16:00

code diff

Chairn

if i replace a single mem_copy in graphics_threaded with std::copy, there are visual glitches everywhere

Then don’t replace them?

16:01

now this is pretty sick

party

https://github.com/Chairn/ddnet/commit/3d9d935b221d044be103de35f2d8da889ce13722

16:02

ah im stupid

-1

forgot dereferencing

16:03

nvm, -1 was too much

also do it with a plus

16:04

not with an array access

a +?

m_aVertices

16:04

+NumVerts

16:04

tbh

16:04

just use std::copy_n

16:05

copy is too much raw ptr stuff already xD

rofl, another interface order

16:05

input, size, dest

16:05

at least coherent with copy

16:08

clang-tidy finds some weird stuff: https://github.com/Chairn/ddnet/runs/7591878202?check_suite_focus=true

omg

16:25

someone used my teel.ink service with a malicious url redirection

16:25

and hetznet told me to remove it and blocked my ip

16:25

this shit is hilarious

that's to expected tho

but

16:26

its user generated content

16:26

how does any company using a hoster keep themselves alive

yes, so are 99% of all youtube videos xD

if 1 user and do this

and 98% are still illegal xD

16:27

and google has to delete them ^^

16:27

but u can be sure u cannot be sued

16:27

u are still responsible for what exists

ah

16:28

its cuz its a link redirection maybe

16:28

idk

i never know what to do when i stumble upon some non sensical code: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/192c7b2bb0a21b9015abe936af6fc0de16dcc539/src/engine/client/serverbrowser.cpp#L518-L526

16:29

do you agree that it copies array pEntry->m_Info.m_aAddresses into aAddresses and then from aAddresses into pEntry->m_Info.m_aAddresses ?

lol what

aAddresses looks useless

I agree

true

Viewing git blame on ddnet code feels surreal sometimes, there's always 2 month old code next to 12 year old code

good old Magnus Auvinen

16:38

oldest lines are 15 years old

copied refactor to trunk

this is the commit i see most in git blaming

svn to git i guess

16:43

there's also the really informative more stuff :)

16:44

* ac18c6a3b more stuff :) (14 years ago) par Magnus Auvinen
* 0912abf66 moved some more stuff from data (15 years ago) par Magnus Auvinen
* 9072e56b5 move more stuff out from data (15 years ago) par Magnus Auvinen
* 90bcda3c1 move even more stuff (15 years ago) par Magnus Auvinen
* 15c95783f moved more stuff (15 years ago) par Magnus Auvinen

if u code alone

16:44

u give a shit bout commit messages xD

indeed, and then you blame yourself

bring back more stuff commits trollet

trollet

@Chairn do we have any fuck commits there?

16:47

Or oops

we do

16:47

| * | | | | 7a4fa97ef (upstream/pr/1252) fuck this no-space-convention (3 years, 11 months ago) par fokkonaut
* | | 4ed3ce807 Revert "No fucking gunfire sound when using jetpack" (8 years ago) par def
* | | 4a11befaf No fucking gunfire sound when using jetpack (8 years ago) par def
| | * | 422b6c7c0 added more team mask's.. The sounds were fucking annoying lol (12 years ago) par DemonulPierdut/-/Julian /[Assange/]
| * | | | 9803a7466 so now windows mysql is fucked up and i don't know why (12 years ago) par GreYFoXGTi
| * | | | ca7e8de0e Shame on me ( takes 1 else to fuck me up ) (12 years ago) par GreYFoXGTi
* 6a1766f8c fixed mouse buttons that I kinda fucked up (14 years ago) par Magnus Auvinen

16:48

ahhaha, def 8 years ago monkalaugh

monkalaugh

16:48

oops, lot of them

16:48

mostly deen

LOL the jetpack one is so aggresive i love it

julian assange was annoyed by the pistol sounds (edited)

Then revert xd

excerpt of the oops:

* | | 27ac37a9f Oops (8 years ago) par def
* | | c0f309a82 Oops (8 years ago) par def
| | | * ac4490fdc Oops (8 years ago) par def
| | | * c5274ce42 Oops (8 years ago) par def
* | | 4c06232d9 Oops, forgot the version number (8 years ago) par def
* | | 033ca5733 Oops (8 years ago) par def
* | | | a8b33efaf Oops², restore old entities_clear (8 years ago) par def
* | | 4ea77f108 Oops (8 years ago) par def
* | | | | 7b9f34644 Oops, restore old entities_clear (8 years ago) par def
* | | | 91bafa82e oops (8 years ago) par def
* | | | a2195cebb oops (8 years ago) par def
* | | a6e8a787e Fix: Jetpack works with tunezones (oops) (8 years ago) par def
* | | d72180155 Oops, version (8 years ago) par def
* | | d22bc98b7 oops (8 years ago) par def
* | | bf4ba56b0 Oops (8 years ago) par def
* | | ef406f2f0 Oops (8 years ago) par def
* | | f5590aecb Oops (9 years ago) par def
* | | ac23c862d Oops (9 years ago) par def
| * | | 7b81946dd oops (9 years ago) par def

good to know

16:50

argh

16:50

shit

16:50

do we have troll? XD

Jupstar ✪

julian assange was annoyed by the pistol sounds (edited)

Josh was an interesting lad. Once upon a time he offered a couple bitcoins as bug bounties

16:51

Back when they weren’t worth shit

Jupstar ✪

do we have troll? XD

no, not as a solo word, but it matches gamecontroller

ddnet millionaire

No one really claimed any iirc

Chairn

no, not as a solo word, but it matches gamecontroller

xd

Tater

ddnet millionaire

He probably lives in a mansion somewhere now

ehm 20595a4e1 trollodragon (8 weeks ago) par ChillerDragon

troll

3

nice

16:52

chillerdragon: nice

We should offer 1 dogecoin per fixed bug

@ChillerDragon.* ^ (edited)

Damn dogecoin are still 7 cents wtf

Tater

We should offer 1 dogecoin per fixed bug

one dogecoin for one pull request finished and bug free

* ac25b9108 Removed old shite. (15 years ago) par Jakob Fries
* 86e98c0e0 removed the bounceing. and multiple shotgun shite (15 years ago) par Magnus Auvinen

16:55

weird shit writing

wtf xD

16:55

wtf, lol rofl

16:55

also good candidates

no bullshit though

i already saw one lol

bounceing

16:56

how old was he at that time?

british english shite

16:56

and wtf is that pronounciation

16:56

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/En-uk-shite.ogg

16:57

almost sounds german xD

ehm, i think chillerdragon has more explaining to do

17:10

5c9751e1b Hardcode jao aswell (2 years, 10 months ago) par ChillerDragon
405a826c4 Add jao pic (2 years, 10 months ago) par ChillerDragon

17:11

Image attachment

17:15

looks like these were never merged in

17:17

lol, they come from this PR: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5438

Chairn

svn to git i guess

anyone have the old svn repo? we could convert it to git and merge it with current ddnet by replacing the oldest change in ddnet git repo. then you can go back further in history

i don't think so, it's over 15 years old so probably deleted by everyone

Chairn

mostly deen

oops

troll

5

looks like you had your oops period

the phase

you stopped saying oops 5 years ago

oop

deen

anyone have the old svn repo? we could convert it to git and merge it with current ddnet by replacing the oldest change in ddnet git repo. then you can go back further in history

i found this https://downloads.teeworlds.com/teewars/

17:23

just tarball

17:27

there is a .svn folder, but i don't know how to get the log from it. svn log says you must upgrade, upgrade says no server...

@Chairn yea those commits are from the chillerbot-ux fork and there jao still exists https://github.com/chillerbot/chillerbot-ux/blob/chillerbot/data/playerpics/jao.png

chillerbot-ux/jao.png at chillerbot · chillerbot/chillerbot-ux

chillerbot-ux UserExperience based on DDraceNetwork, a mod of Teeworlds - chillerbot-ux/jao.png at chillerbot · chillerbot/chillerbot-ux

18:26

I think my biggest troll commit that got merged into ddnet is this https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/commit/949aa124e9fa8c608985b29e4b9f2210d9ea32fe

Overkill optimize editor code runs 200 fps faster · ddnet/ddnet@949...

Hey, how far does a hammer reach in units?

if its not in the wiki its shomething that should be documented in the wiki if you find it out

The range of the hammer allows you to just barely hit tees behind a 1 tile thick wall.

not necessarily precise

42

okay will try that thanks

[quakenet] ChillerDragon

if its not in the wiki its shomething that should be documented in the wiki if you find it out

should i put it on the wiki?

are you sure he is not trolling?

18:37

as in 42 is the answer to everything :D i mean its probably close

32 is one block, so 42 makes sence?

The number i got from looking at the code is 14 but that makes no sense :D

18:37

42 is a bit too far

18:38

thats almost 2 blocks so you could have some air between the block and the tees

18:38

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/dafc3984dd0881cc67004dcfdf00e0cbe8d200ee/src/game/server/entities/character.cpp#L447

ddnet/character.cpp at dafc3984dd0881cc67004dcfdf00e0cbe8d200ee · d...

DDraceNetwork, a free cooperative platformer game. Contribute to ddnet/ddnet development by creating an account on GitHub.

18:39

GetProximityRadius() should be 28.0f for character

if((pTarget == this || (pTarget->IsAlive() && !CanCollide(pTarget->GetPlayer()->GetCID()))))

18:44

how did u get that value?

from the line i sent but as i said 14 makes no sense

The range of the hammer (28.0f) allows you to just barely hit tees behind a 1 tile thick wall. (edited)

the apEnts var that is used to apply the hit on is filled by FindEntities and the readius that is being passed in is GetProximityRadius() * 0.5

18:47

if tiles are 32 then 28 is a bit close isnt it

18:47

it might work if both tees are 2 units into the wall :) idk how the collision code works

why '14*0.5=28' i dont get that (edited)

well, 14+28 is 42

18:48

by trolling, i accidentally gave the right answer

yea 28 * 0.5 = 14

oh

GetProximityRadius() is 28

18:49

but since that makes no sense i clearly read the code wrong

28 makes more sence if the hitboxes are in the wall? (edited)

yea that would work right

18:50

lets say you can walk 2 units into a wall

18:50

then tees would have a 28 distance when being split by a wall

18:51

thats probably not the case tho

18:51

why do you even care?

18:51

and what about your hud thing what is that for?

18:52

wait

we want to make a hammer range hitbox

Image attachment

are tiles even 32 units?

18:52

not 64?

18:52

and a tee is 28x2 big?

64 pixels, im not sure what is used for these calculations

a

18:54

thats from the FindEntities distance(pEnt->m_Pos, Pos) < Radius + pEnt->m_ProximityRadius

18:55

it takes the distance of the two tees

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and makes sure its lower than the radius + the tee size

18:55

search radius passed in as far as im aware should be 14 and the proximityradius 28

18:56

so maybe it is indeed 42? xd

18:58

but that would mean given that a tile is 32 units wide one tee could stand 10 units away from the tile and still hit the tee on the other side and 10 units is almost 1/3 tile which should be visible with the bare eye

19:00

@bubliman how do you draw that hot circle btw?

[quakenet] ChillerDragon

@bubliman how do you draw that hot circle btw?

sadly this is just photoshoped ...

xd

19:01

so thats ur next question then?

19:01

my first idea for circles would probably DrawRoundRect

19:01

if with and height are the same and radius is 50% of the width you get a perfect circle but its filled then

yeah we have a filled circle now

also i have no idea how rendered pixel relate to physic units

19:02

a

19:03

there might line circle code but iv never seen it

19:03

wait what about the players tab in settings

19:03

doesnt it have circles?

one sec im reading all of you messages

19:04

yeah it does

Image attachment

so there you go!

19:05

nvm seems like a sprite

19:05

not rendered with code

19:05

so maybe you gotta use photoshop after all :D

i might have a solution one sec

bubliman

we want to make a hammer range hitbox

why not a hook hitbox as well?

Image attachment

tbh hammer hitbox as a pizza slice would be cooler as circle

cool idea

visualizing the aim

atm we have this

Image attachment

19:09

why do ypu even what this? xd

19:09

is this for ddnet client?

just for fun and for myself i guess

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[quakenet] ChillerDragon

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vi elitist?

daaa

bubliman

atm we have this

i imagine if this was in the actual client it'd look something like these

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atm i just made this concept

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19:20

also there is code for landing prediction

can we stop talking about cheats? xd

I thought cheats are only auto inputs

wait how is this a cheat :o

well it looks like it pre-calculates stuff?

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/745926398140612678/945410675382050906

lets say it like this, how is it not a cheat if u know how a rocket will fly

19:27

or a shotgun will bounce etc.

19:27

ofc my computer is better than me in calculating it

19:29

well if hook collision is not cheating, then I don't think this is

but hook collision is officially added now, its too late to take that cheat back

19:29

from vanilla point of view even that is cheating

imo this isnt that useful anyways, hook collision is in the same category i guess

this looks more useful than hook collision

19:31

whihc is a simple line that isnt even accurate most of the time, e.g. while moving

lol, that's a full assisted client you got there

So hypothetical question, Would I get banned if you proved that I was using this ?

i hope so

19:33

and u just sent the proof xd

thats on a private server

^^

I kinda agree with @heinrich5991 , not sure he would agree in this context

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lets wait and see until he reads it

its just visual aid for blind people, a ton of those are in t0

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lets wait and see until he reads it

Thing is, you cant prove that someone uses this. There are other clients which pre calculate grenade and laser shots already.

I like this. Useful. Requires less brain to see where I'm landing. Good work @bubliman

fokkonaut

Thing is, you cant prove that someone uses this. There are other clients which pre calculate grenade and laser shots already.

yeah, its pretty much impossible

bubliman

well if hook collision is not cheating, then I don't think this is

the server can choose not to allow hookcoll though

SPYRES

I like this. Useful. Requires less brain to see where I'm landing. Good work @bubliman

not made by me but thanks

trml

the server can choose not to allow hookcoll though

not really, there is even a config setting to show everyone's hookline always

@bubliman be the advocate for change! I got your back bro.

the server could just stop sending if other people use it or not, wouldnt change anything except people not being able to point stuff out in freeze

yeah everything is calculated client side, i guess you could even do a hookcol this way

huh? doesnt the client use the aim flag to decide to render anything?

thats what im saying

19:49

it uses it, but that wouldnt disallow an aimline entirely^^ (edited)

all of this are bad ideas and thats purely cheating isn't DDNet also made with KISS rule ? =] if yes then thats 100% not KISS rule

Hi @Tsin whats the KISS rule?

Keep It Simple Stupid

btw the land predict might be a bit far, i was also thinking there could just be a vector (arrow) pointing the direction u are headed and increasing its lenght with your speed

19:56

Drawing a hollow circle is the real trouble here

bubliman

its just visual aid for blind people, a ton of those are in t0

>visual aid for blind people now we just need a hearing aid for deaf people

bubliman

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Voxel

>visual aid for blind people now we just need a hearing aid for deaf people

yeah that was just a thing that could be added our main focus tho is the hammer, hook, wall hitboxes

I think hammer range circle is already cheating

fokkonaut

it uses it, but that wouldnt disallow an aimline entirely^^ (edited)

its not using it, you mean (with showhookcoll 2). I guess this was changed at some point

Tater

I think hammer range circle is already cheating

mainly useful for new players imo

trml

its not using it, you mean (with showhookcoll 2). I guess this was changed at some point

rendering uses the flag

20:00

except in always for everyone mode

Those prediction lines are considerably more work than all your other creations, did you make those?

Nope a friend did (edited)

This friend is krx dev hmm?

idk what krx is

hmm best not to talk about that

well now I know

bubliman

Nope a friend did (edited)

how long did it take them?

bubliman

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also wait what, first frame of render demo menu seen here?

bubliman

its just visual aid for blind people, a ton of those are in t0

oh come on, it's more than just a visual aid, it gives you more information because it's curved

Voxel

how long did it take them?

dont know

Voxel

also wait what, first frame of render demo menu seen here?

thats a bug

bubliman

dont know

im going to assume this was already pre-programmed and simply copy-pasted into the files

so u think its fake? or what does that mean? XD

im saying it might be taken from an already existing bot client

fokkonaut

Thing is, you cant prove that someone uses this. There are other clients which pre calculate grenade and laser shots already.

Actually you can if ddnet client has verification code inside official ddnet client. Like ATH client had. When client is being compiled, just provide hidden key for ddnet client, and on other side only ddnet server can decrypt it

Yes

I bet 90% of this “cheat coders” couldn’t bypass it

probably

Tsin

all of this are bad ideas and thats purely cheating isn't DDNet also made with KISS rule ? =] if yes then thats 100% not KISS rule

soo romantic @Tsin kissy kissy

m!ki

I bet 90% of this “cheat coders” couldn’t bypass it

who cares tho... if hammer collision is cheating then hook collision should be too,

Nah that wasn’t my point. I’m just telling that ddnet client needs something to identify itself as official ddnet client compiled by publisher(deen)

then its not open source i guess? atleast practically

Hm, but you can provide ur “key”, there isn’t any hidden code. Just private ddnet’s internal key for verifying official ddnet client

yeah but practically unofficial clients are banned?

At this point u can’t know if someone is faking ddnet’s client with modifications

20:42

This way there is no f way to crack private hashed key

20:43

By adding private key, you know 100% that it’s ddnet client without modifications

could be abused to ban innocent players i guess

I’m not telling to ban all that doesn’t have latest client, just in case someone is “potential cheater”

the information is neat for sure, maybe for tournaments you could enfore ddnet client or stuff like that (edited)

Ye but in general, there has to be something to say “yeah, that’s 100% clean client” And even tho to provide api from ddnet’s website to check players that join on other servers. Open rest api for check

20:45

So other servers that aren’t ddnet can check players too

yeah I mean that's past my understanding I guess, I was just trying to figure out what's the actual line here, I consider cheating dishonest and disguisting (unless its like TAS) (edited)

but hookline being considered okey dokey, puts quite a greyzone in place, also the "aimbot" bind not really human level input i guess...

m!ki

Ye but in general, there has to be something to say “yeah, that’s 100% clean client” And even tho to provide api from ddnet’s website to check players that join on other servers. Open rest api for check

I’d like to hear thoughts for this @deen @heinrich5991 @Learath2

That's impossible. Anyone can modify the client source code, compile it themselves and still pretend to be "100% clean client"

Not if you provide key on compiling that only you know.

21:10

Let’s be honest, who is going to try to reverse engineer ddnet client to crack key

If we provide a key, someone can take that key from the compiled binary

21:11

and then the DDNet version in all Linux distributions wouldn't count as 100% clean anymore

21:11

Since they also build it from source code themselves

21:12

And even if you had a clean client, what prevents someone from running another software that controls the mouse and keyboard inputs to play perfectly, while checking screen

21:12

Some games run some malware on your system which scans everything and bans you for running other applications, but even that can be circumvented

ddnet devs don't have time to engage in anti cheat arms race

We do engage in it, using teehistorian

21:15

Which doesn't trust the client. Instead we can check what came in on the server and could analyze if it looks suspicious

I should specify client side arms race i guess

21:15

Which is a losing battle

And if we were doing it, talking about it publicly would be stupid too

Yes...

But yeah, way easier to circumvent any measure we can come up with than implement it

21:17

and we can't perma-ban people anyway since the game is free

21:17

so if they get banned, they can just get a new ip and try again

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #5679 Fix tab and F10 keys working inconsistently in editor

21:20

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #5669 Editor tab hotkey buggy

21:20

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Btw whats the status of tee historian reconstruction? Is there a private tool that does it?

21:24

Would be nice even outside of cheat detection

not yet: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/2937

Teehistorian Replayer · Issue #2937 · ddnet/ddnet

I haven't really started yet, if someone wants to help tell me: Replay modus on server that opens a teehistorian file as inputs Should run faster than realtime, no sleeps, instantly go to n...

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5682 Fix deprecation warning in ffmpeg 5.1 (fixes #5681)

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[ ] Tested the change ingame
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[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-addres...

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