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Between 2022-07-25 00:00:00Z and 2022-07-26 00:00:00Z
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Voxel 2022-07-25 01:51:53Z
I updated my laser color thing so that hopefully it's compatible for linux now. Just had to remove an unused variable and configure DoLaserPreview to react to the enum
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Voxel 2022-07-25 03:20:12Z
Also, how do you test other pull requests?
03:21
Oh wait, nevermind
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Voxel 2022-07-25 03:55:03Z
@AssassinTee I'm testing your all_materials_experimental branch right now
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Voxel 2022-07-25 04:02:11Z
There seems to be two Add Material Layer buttons, which do the same thing.
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GitHub BOT 2022-07-25 04:30:17Z
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[ddnet-maps:master] 1 new commit
63b8e5c M Absurd 2, M Absurd 4, M BlueChaos, M Bullets, M Cartoon, M Chicken Pie 2, M Dark Moon, M Eventide, M For Idiots 1, M GlassBox 8, M Halloween Night, M Harvest, M Hoo!, M It's Easy, M Moonlight, M Planet Mercury, M Senani, M Sp\303\274li, M Sunlight, M Undrag2, M [School] Hammer, M [School] Hook - ddnet-maps
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AssassinTee 2022-07-25 06:08:57Z
@Voxel I made a small test map if you need help. I currently have local changes which are not committed yet. They'll allow to gain your jump back consistently on bouncy tiles
06:09
Unfortunately I didn't have any time the last weeks
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AssassinTee
@Voxel I made a small test map if you need help. I currently have local changes which are not committed yet. They'll allow to gain your jump back consistently on bouncy tiles
Voxel 2022-07-25 06:13:16Z
ooh, interesting!
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AssassinTee 2022-07-25 06:36:13Z
what do you think so far? I am still missing (a lot of) visuals and design things. Also only show gametiles is currently not working for a lot people and there is a bug
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-07-25 07:47:53Z
sounds good @Learath2
07:48
you can close this issue then:) https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/5527
Restore possibility to determine freeze time without freeze bar · I...
It used to be visible via the stars. After the stars got replaced by snow flakes that information got lost. I am not saying we need to mimic the old star movement exactly. And have 1000 snow flakes...
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-07-25 08:37:52Z
@Robyt3 any plans on porting the teeworlds listbox code to ddnet?
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon
@Robyt3 any plans on porting the teeworlds listbox code to ddnet?
Robyt3 2022-07-25 09:39:28Z
yeah, I'd like to port CScrollRegion and CListBox eventually
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-07-25 10:08:40Z
poggies
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-07-25 10:30:29Z
does someone know what changes are in ddnet vs teeworlds texture rendering? I just copied the skin rendering code from vanilla into ddnet and the textures seem to not get rendered correctly
10:30
do i miss some new render flag? a new way of loading textures? dilate?
10:33
i probably messed up cutting out the right dimensions when loading the image
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-07-25 11:33:47Z
got it!
11:34
was loading sprites from g_pData->m_aSprites instead of client_data7::g_pData->m_aSprites
11:34
btw @Learath2 ur protocol7 stuff is so cool and helpful! appreciate it
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GitHub BOT 2022-07-25 12:05:38Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5659 Russian Translation

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Added missing translations and also made some of older text more consistent.

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  • [x] Tested the change ingame
  • [x] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
  • [ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
  • [ ] Written a unit test (especially base/) or added coverage to integration test
  • [ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
  • [x] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
  • [ ] Tested the chan...
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ChillerDragon
[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5660 [DRAFT] Start working on 0.7 skins menu
I started working on this a while ago and it is still far from being finished. Just wanted to share that I am working on this and get some feedback if it even has a chance to be merged when finished. The goal of this pr is to have a additional skin menu which lets ddnet client users pick 0.7 skins in addition to 0.6 skins. Which then can be used for a ddnet 0.7 bridge or 0.7 only client. ![screenshot_2022-07-25_14-05-58](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/20344300/180774201-085e9...
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Learath2
That's what I'll make, big snowflakes imitating old stars and the people that can't adapt at all can use a texture which replaces the snowflake with a star
Ravie 2022-07-25 12:10:53Z
can this wait a bit? I wanna see if people hate the improved look any less
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Learath2 2022-07-25 12:15:20Z
Sure
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-07-25 12:24:31Z
"hate less" nice goals :D
12:24
no front! the new snow flakes look really cool!
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heinrich5991 2022-07-25 12:44:31Z
I'm not seeing that much hate fwiw
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heinrich5991
I'm not seeing that much hate fwiw
Learath2 2022-07-25 12:47:20Z
I guess the vocal majority that hated it just stuck to 16.1
12:47
Majority of the local minority* :P
12:48
Vocal*
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God I have brain damage
12:48
2 hours of sleep, not enough
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-07-25 13:05:49Z
meanwhile konsti uses ddnet 9.0.2 because it still has SDL1 :D
13:05
axaxax pink rat
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GitHub BOT 2022-07-25 13:22:22Z
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[ddnet:master] 4 new commits
f0cb541 Update russian.txt - zigtfm daf2553 Update russian.txt - zigtfm bf9adb7 Update russian.txt - zigtfm e71e72a Merge #5659 - bors[bot]
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #5659 Russian Translation
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Petyr 2022-07-25 13:42:10Z
After minimalization and open i have like this in Manjaro
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Petyr
After minimalization and open i have like this in Manjaro
Tater 2022-07-25 14:09:58Z
I don't think portrait aspect ratios are supported
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Learath2 2022-07-25 14:39:53Z
Very few parts of the ui will work properly in portrait :/
14:40
The main menu scales fine iirc
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Learath2
Very few parts of the ui will work properly in portrait :/
Petyr 2022-07-25 14:55:18Z
sorry i do screen badly, I use vertical, with option full screen is like this but, in window full screen work great. sorry for my English
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-07-25 14:59:20Z
try tilt your phone :p
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AssassinTee
what do you think so far? I am still missing (a lot of) visuals and design things. Also only show gametiles is currently not working for a lot people and there is a bug
Voxel 2022-07-25 15:04:06Z
I think it's very nice so far! It's interesting to see what all the materials do and the potential for emersion could be! Tho idk if its just me but ice particles are also broken
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AssassinTee 2022-07-25 15:07:03Z
huh why are they broken?
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Voxel 2022-07-25 15:08:19Z
when you halt, instead of snowflakes, half are black boxes with red text (broken/unregistered textures)
15:08
i can provide a screenshot if you need it
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AssassinTee 2022-07-25 15:09:05Z
this totally sounds like a broken texture, but I never heard of that issue
15:09
you have material_particles.png?
15:09
under data
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Voxel 2022-07-25 15:09:50Z
it happened with me when i tried to add more emote options
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15:09
let me check
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AssassinTee
you have material_particles.png?
Voxel 2022-07-25 15:11:13Z
yeah, i do
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AssassinTee 2022-07-25 15:11:40Z
weird, then I must have a bug somewhere
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Voxel 2022-07-25 15:14:54Z
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AssassinTee 2022-07-25 15:15:17Z
there are the right ice particles in between?!
15:15
never seen this before ๐Ÿ˜ฎ
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Voxel 2022-07-25 15:16:21Z
what file are the ice particles rendered under?
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Cellegen 2022-07-25 15:19:06Z
game.png particles?
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AssassinTee 2022-07-25 15:19:10Z
they are rendered like all other effects
15:19
https://github.com/AssassinTee/ddnet/blob/c66d247ae5ed4c1b0164a96af3c49d7ac5212547/src/game/client/components/effects.cpp#L131 (edited)
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Voxel 2022-07-25 15:31:58Z
also, i wonder- why is MAX_PARTICLES in particles.h 1024 * 8? why not set it to just 8192? this is in the base game too
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15:32
i can only assume this is for readability
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deen 2022-07-25 15:34:58Z
yes
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AssassinTee 2022-07-25 15:36:53Z
this might be a good client variable, tbh. I am pretty sure a lot of people could without problems render a few (million) more particles
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Voxel 2022-07-25 15:44:48Z
@AssassinTee I found the issue: It turns out that SPRITE_PART_SNOWFLAKE01 under p.m_Spr is the unloaded texture. I've conducted multiple tests with this segment of code (removing the rand function and testing them individually, changing the rand function to exclude the first), it's safe to say it has something to do with the first snowflake (edited)
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Voxel
also, i wonder- why is MAX_PARTICLES in particles.h 1024 * 8? why not set it to just 8192? this is in the base game too
Ryozuki 2022-07-25 15:47:33Z
Its a constant so this will be precomputed and have will not affect perf
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Ryozuki
Its a constant so this will be precomputed and have will not affect perf
Voxel 2022-07-25 15:47:42Z
ohh
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Ryozuki 2022-07-25 15:47:44Z
Will have no*
15:47
Compilere are rly smart
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Compilers
15:48
Stupid smartphone
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Voxel
@AssassinTee I found the issue: It turns out that SPRITE_PART_SNOWFLAKE01 under p.m_Spr is the unloaded texture. I've conducted multiple tests with this segment of code (removing the rand function and testing them individually, changing the rand function to exclude the first), it's safe to say it has something to do with the first snowflake (edited)
Voxel 2022-07-25 16:04:22Z
I'm trying to look in CGameClient::LoadMaterialSkin to see if something is messed up with the loading of that texture. Everything checks out, i think.
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Steinchen 2022-07-25 16:15:36Z
Hey. who has the most finishes on any map? Is it possible to see a top10 of that
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Petyr
After minimalization and open i have like this in Manjaro
Jupstar โœช 2022-07-25 16:29:05Z
update sdl2
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-07-25 16:46:30Z
yes there is a way @Steinchen you can run any sql query on the whole ddnet database
16:46
https://ddnet.tw/stats/sql.js/
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon
yes there is a way @Steinchen you can run any sql query on the whole ddnet database
Steinchen 2022-07-25 16:47:04Z
I dont understand what I have to do on that site
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-07-25 16:47:15Z
do you know sql?
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Steinchen 2022-07-25 16:47:22Z
Nope
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-07-25 16:47:47Z
then ask someone for the query its probably a simple one but i would also have to look it up
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Steinchen 2022-07-25 16:49:55Z
Could somebody help me with that? I have no idea how that works D:
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Ryozuki 2022-07-25 18:06:02Z
@Jupstar โœช https://lwn.net/Articles/902410/
Fedora to disallow CC0-licensed code
The Creative Commons CC0 license is essentially a public-domain declaration (or as close as is possible in jurisdictions that lack a public domain). The Fedora project has allowed the distribution of code under this license, but, as announced by Richard Fontana, that policy is changing and CC0 will no longer be allowed for code:
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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32226959
em-bee
Fedora to disallow CC0-licensed code
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Jupstar โœช 2022-07-25 18:07:24Z
nobos
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Steinchen
Could somebody help me with that? I have no idea how that works D:
furo 2022-07-25 18:09:01Z
+---------------+-----------------+----------+ | Name | Map | COUNT(*) | +---------------+-----------------+----------+ | Tropo | NUT_short_race6 | 3000 | | *โ™้ปŽ็ฅžโ˜ข | DontMove | 2967 | | Matrose l_I | run_blue | 2840 | | Tropo[D] | NUT_short_race6 | 2553 | | nameless tee | Multeasymap | 2476 | | brainless tee | Just2Easy | 2214 | | Steinchen99 | DontMove | 2168 | | Matrose l_I | run_g6 | 2105 | | cac | DontMove | 1731 | | JaaJ | Multeasymap | 1575 | | Dumakulem | DontMove | 1428 | | fikmesån | NUT_short_race6 | 1342 | | vento123 | Multeasymap | 1310 | | Hawkeye88 | run_g6 | 1274 | | EzeJe | Multeasymap | 1179 | | NANAMAR | NUT_short_race6 | 1147 | | mrs.Smith | run_g6 | 1045 | | snailx3 | NUT_short_race6 | 960 | | Nyanto | run_g6 | 949 | | brainless tee | StepByStep | 931 | +---------------+-----------------+----------+
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Ryozuki 2022-07-25 18:09:03Z
its a bit sad that making some work public domain is such a hard thing to do legal-wise
18:10
https://chrismorgan.info/blog/unlicense/
Donโ€™t use the Unlicense, an inferior license with an atrocious name
Not only is it poorly drafted with better alternatives available, but โ€œUnlicensedโ€ means the precise opposite of โ€œunlicensedโ€.
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The Unlicense is intended as a public domain dedication. I donโ€™t think you should use it, but should prefer CC0 or possibly 0BSD instead. Hereโ€™s why.
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Part of the background story is that on patents, we've fought the scenario that a patent holder could offer some FOSS library implementing their patented method, and then come chase you for patent infringement. What are the boundaries for me, FOSS user, to not be ensnared by a submarine license?
18:12
patents are such a nefarious thing
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xd
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heinrich5991 2022-07-25 18:13:04Z
luckily, we don't have software patents in europe AFAIK
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Ryozuki 2022-07-25 18:13:26Z
also i think, imagine you implemented x stuff this way and put it in public domain, can they patent that and fuck u?
18:13
xd
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heinrich5991 2022-07-25 18:14:23Z
what do you mean by 'public domain'
18:14
stuff has a copyright owner in germany, you can't disclaim that
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you can just give everyone all the rights to it
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heinrich5991
stuff has a copyright owner in germany, you can't disclaim that
heinrich5991 2022-07-25 18:15:02Z
except by being dead for 70 years
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Ryozuki 2022-07-25 18:15:18Z
thats what i dont understand
18:15
why can something not be copyrighted at all
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in germany
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heinrich5991 2022-07-25 18:15:54Z
what do you mean by 'not copyrighted'?
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you can say that anyone can use it for any purpose
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is that 'not copyrighted' enough?
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Ryozuki 2022-07-25 18:16:24Z
but its still like bound to u
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idk
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brb food
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heinrich5991 2022-07-25 18:17:31Z
the idea is that just like you can't sign away your human rights, you can't sign away your creations* (*except if you were hired to create it, then it's not you who will be the copyright owner)
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heinrich5991
luckily, we don't have software patents in europe AFAIK
Chairn 2022-07-25 19:00:37Z
i think we do have "method" patents, or like algorithm one
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Chairn
i think we do have "method" patents, or like algorithm one
heinrich5991 2022-07-25 19:17:59Z
I don't think so, in europe
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Chairn 2022-07-25 19:23:59Z
i remember being coinventor in such a patent in France
19:24
now, i don't know what it can legally cover and what it can't
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Jupstar โœช 2022-07-25 19:25:25Z
Screw the rules, I have money
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Chairn 2022-07-25 19:27:37Z
what what
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Jupstar โœช 2022-07-25 19:29:43Z
companies always saying they so innovative and then chillin on their 50 years old patents xd
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I just hope the humans in 200 years laugh at us, anything else would disappoint me
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Chairn 2022-07-25 19:33:32Z
patents are 20 years, and can be extended but not indefinetely
19:33
50 years are most likely outdated anyway
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heinrich5991 2022-07-25 19:35:28Z
probably not
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if you can patent something as fundamental as arithmetic encoding
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https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arithmetic_coding&oldid=1097400373#History_and_patents
Arithmetic coding
Arithmetic coding (AC) is a form of entropy encoding used in lossless data compression. Normally, a string of characters is represented using a fixed number of bits per character, as in the ASCII code. When a string is converted to arithmetic encoding, frequently used characters will be stored with fewer bits and not-so-frequently occurring char...
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Chairn 2022-07-25 19:41:26Z
looks like its mostly US who uses software patents
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heinrich5991
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arithmetic_coding&oldid=1097400373#History_and_patents
Ryozuki 2022-07-25 20:35:56Z
its even worse
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you can patent numbers
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heinrich5991 2022-07-25 20:36:21Z
what kind of numbers?
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Ryozuki 2022-07-25 20:36:31Z
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_number
Illegal number
An illegal number is a number that represents information which is illegal to possess, utter, propagate, or otherwise transmit in some legal jurisdiction. Any piece of digital information is representable as a number; consequently, if communicating a specific set of information is illegal in some way, then the number may be illegal as well.
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these
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heinrich5991 2022-07-25 20:36:47Z
those aren't patents, are they?
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Ryozuki 2022-07-25 20:36:55Z
well i guess
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itsp robably worse than that
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xD
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An illegal prime is an illegal number which is also prime. One of the earliest illegal prime numbers was generated in March 2001 by Phil Carmody. Its binary representation corresponds to a compressed version of the C source code of a computer program implementing the DeCSS decryption algorithm, which can be used by a computer to circumvent a DVD's copy protection
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imagine making primes ilegal
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humanity best
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heinrich5991 2022-07-25 20:38:55Z
well, as soon as you have any kind of information that is illegal to posess or to share, you can easily turn it into a prime number
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Ryozuki 2022-07-25 20:39:16Z
rly?
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thats cool
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heinrich5991 2022-07-25 20:39:24Z
so if you support making it illegal to share certain kinds of information, you should be fine with "banning" really large prime numbers, i.e. making it illegal to share them (edited)
20:39
I mean, you can treat disney's frozen as just a really large number
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Learath2 2022-07-25 20:40:12Z
Communal information when?
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heinrich5991 2022-07-25 20:40:16Z
if you think that this work should be covered by copyright, then the corresponding really large number also is
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Ryozuki 2022-07-25 20:40:36Z
oof
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heinrich5991
if you think that this work should be covered by copyright, then the corresponding really large number also is
Chairn 2022-07-25 20:46:15Z
all the corresponding large numbers could be, depending only on the compression used, so that makes a lot of them ๐Ÿ˜„
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heinrich5991 2022-07-25 20:46:45Z
not a lot of them in relative terms
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Ryozuki 2022-07-25 20:46:54Z
arent primes infinite?
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:p
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heinrich5991 2022-07-25 20:46:57Z
there are a lot more numbers than illegal ones
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of similar size
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Ryozuki
arent primes infinite?
Chairn 2022-07-25 20:51:31Z
they are
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Ryozuki 2022-07-25 20:56:37Z
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32226414
mikece
Itโ€™s time to leave the leap second in the past
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https://engineering.fb.com/2022/07/25/production-engineering/its-time-to-leave-the-leap-second-in-the-past/
Chris Wiltz
Itโ€™s time to leave the leap second in the past
Hereโ€™s why engineers at Meta are supporting a larger community push to stop introducing any new leap seconds.
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soudns like a complicated thing
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louis 2022-07-25 21:03:16Z
remove leap years
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Chairn 2022-07-25 21:12:31Z
well, META engineers should have no say in this. To remove leap seconds, we need to change our definition of time
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Learath2
Communal information when?
lynn 2022-07-25 21:44:19Z
fiat crash
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if that never happens idk world explodes
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GitHub BOT 2022-07-25 21:44:40Z
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[ddnet:master] 4 new commits
3863d41 Validate snapshot size and member variables and demo snapshots - Robyt3 4c397e4 Refactor CSnapshotBuilder::Finish using TotalSize and OffsetSize - Robyt3 1398936 Minor refactoring of CDemoPlayer::DoTick: - Robyt3 7f44cde Merge #5656 - bors[bot]
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #5656 Validate snapshot size and member variables and demo snapshots
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lynn 2022-07-25 21:44:44Z
wtf
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lynn
fiat crash
Chairn 2022-07-25 21:45:00Z
what what
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lynn 2022-07-25 21:45:25Z
fiat currency
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louis 2022-07-25 21:45:26Z
money market crash
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lynn 2022-07-25 21:45:37Z
specifically physical money
21:45
there might be a way to do cryptocurrency that doesn't involve PoW
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ie. crazy energy consumption
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heinrich5991 2022-07-25 21:46:39Z
one of these ways is called PoS and is already implemented
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lynn 2022-07-25 21:46:45Z
scams and stuff are always gonna happen tho unless something is centralized
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heinrich5991 2022-07-25 21:46:46Z
"proof of stake"
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lynn 2022-07-25 21:46:52Z
:o
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how does it work?
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or link
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heinrich5991 2022-07-25 21:47:15Z
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_of_stake
Proof of stake
Proof-of-stake (PoS) protocols are a class of consensus mechanisms for blockchains that work by selecting validators in proportion to their quantity of holdings in the associated cryptocurrency. This is done to avoid the computational cost of proof-of-work schemes. The first functioning use of PoS for cryptocurrency was Peercoin in 2012.
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lynn 2022-07-25 21:48:55Z
" In April 2021, the Ethereum Foundation announced that it planned to switch to a PoS system by the end of 2021.[11] This has since been pushed back to the second quarter of 2022.[12]"
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>July
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๐Ÿ‘€
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heinrich5991 2022-07-25 21:49:23Z
the proof-of-stake change in ethereum is a never-ending meme AFAIK
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lynn 2022-07-25 21:49:28Z
xD
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heinrich5991 2022-07-25 21:49:29Z
but this time it's really gonna happen ๐Ÿ˜‰
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lynn 2022-07-25 21:49:29Z
rip
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hopefully geez
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how would "minting" an NFT work under PoS? isn't PoS just about the collective ownership of the thing? isn't that kinda like the artist? or am i overthinking it
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another problem is that ppl are always going to trade between PoS and PoW and it's going to overall make the point of PoS less effective and there's no mitigating it unless other currencies suck (edited)
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heinrich5991 2022-07-25 21:52:30Z
I want to mention first that nfts look like a useless scam
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lynn 2022-07-25 21:52:31Z
there's no way you could bind a cryptocurrency to stay within network, it's a free market
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heinrich5991 2022-07-25 21:52:48Z
"minting" nfts would work the same as in PoW
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lynn 2022-07-25 21:52:49Z
im not saying i support NFTs or anything they run parallel to
21:52
I guess i don't care if they work well
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heinrich5991 2022-07-25 21:53:10Z
you just have to pay transaction fees, just like in the other case
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lynn 2022-07-25 21:53:16Z
huh
21:53
i must not be understanding PoS correctly but then again i never understood PoW correctly either
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heinrich5991
I want to mention first that nfts look like a useless scam
Chairn 2022-07-25 21:53:52Z
they're not useless, they're used in money laundering
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lynn 2022-07-25 21:53:56Z
so i will just wait until sometime i look up a video and I'm not lazy xd
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louis 2022-07-25 21:54:02Z
how to fix nfts: delete
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heinrich5991 2022-07-25 21:54:16Z
minting nfts is just some transaction on some blockchain AFAIK @lynn
21:54
it has nothing to do with PoW or PoS AFAIK
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lynn 2022-07-25 21:54:59Z
NFTs always have the most uninspired art too. it's like, very clear that people have only ever cared about the money and there's barely artistic expression behind them
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speaking in terms of art here
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nothing else
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louis 2022-07-25 21:55:21Z
some are cool
21:55
art wise
21:55
not the monkes tho
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lynn 2022-07-25 21:55:32Z
ohhh maybe i thought "minting" an NFT, that process was something complicated (edited)
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louis 2022-07-25 21:55:41Z
i say we ban meekrioz for being an nft bro
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lynn 2022-07-25 21:55:56Z
xd
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i asked him about it
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i don't think he is especially egregious in that area n will probably stop at some point
21:56
my boy still has morals
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louis 2022-07-25 21:57:08Z
Nope.
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lynn
NFTs always have the most uninspired art too. it's like, very clear that people have only ever cared about the money and there's barely artistic expression behind them
funman 2022-07-25 22:40:40Z
its worse than that. The bored apes thing is literally nazis
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpH3O6mnZvw
Philion
BORED APE NAZI CLUB
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Learath2 2022-07-25 23:24:00Z
@trml don't we have door prediction nowadays?
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fokkonaut 2022-07-25 23:30:43Z
no
23:30
we have all the info, but no prediction was made
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Learath2 2022-07-25 23:52:59Z
Omg, there is a server on CHN7 that has been up for 33 days
23:53
that's so long they didn't get the 16.2 update yet, the old hud shows
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