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Learath2
I don't see any tiles, firefox windows
Learath2 2022-07-09 00:00:13Z
don't see them in chrome either
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 00:00:46Z
did you wait? try scrolling maybe
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Patiga
ah, there was also someone else for who the tilemaps didn't render
bluesky 2022-07-09 00:01:12Z
i wanted to say that but i didnt know if it was supposed to be like that for now. It doesnt show the tiles for me either (chrome)
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deen 2022-07-09 00:01:23Z
Doesn't load for me at all now with ?ddnet @Patiga Uncaught LinkError: import object field '__wbg_screen_04bce210c29df7c4' is not a Function
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heinrich5991
did you wait? try scrolling maybe
Learath2 2022-07-09 00:01:35Z
I did wait quite a while
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 00:03:47Z
works for me in firefox for linux
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works for me in chrome for linux
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bluesky 2022-07-09 00:05:03Z
map_inspect_web.js:1497 Uncaught (in promise) Error: Using exceptions for control flow, don't mind me. This isn't actually an error! at imports.wbg.wbindgen_throw (map_inspect_web.js:1497:15) at map_inspect_web_bg.wasm:0x1fe31a at map_inspect_web_bg.wasm:0x1eb387 at map_inspect_web_bg.wasm:0xbc8f4 at map_inspect_web_bg.wasm:0x1d44bf at map_inspect_web_bg.wasm:0x1a220d at map_inspect_web_bg.wasm:0x1fcaa2 at wbg_adapter_50 (map_inspect_web.js:222:10) at real (map_inspect_web.js:199:20) Well, i do mind. feelsbadman
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 00:05:14Z
works for me in firefox for linux
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eh 😄 wanted to say windows, but it's actually linux like I wrote
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Learath2 2022-07-09 00:06:17Z
maybe it's a gpu thing
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I'm on nvidia, gtx 1080
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 00:11:40Z
I offer GTX 760
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bluesky 2022-07-09 00:12:07Z
Windows - Chrome - GTX 1050ti
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GitHub BOT 2022-07-09 00:17:18Z
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theofficialgman
[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #5594 Server executable not found, can't run server (when installed with the server on linux)
Compiling DDNet and DDNet-Server from source (through mostly default cmake commands) to /usr/local. Clicking DDNet Server in the GUI errors that it can't find the executable The executable is in the default path: ``` file /usr/local/bin/DDNet-Server /usr/local/bin/DDNet-Server: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, ARM aarch64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux-aarch64.so.1, for GNU/Linux 3.7.0, BuildID[sha1]=f46454191f32e7a06fdbd0732c372c75dfb4f89b, not stripped ...
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bluesky 2022-07-09 00:17:22Z
Can someone explain why there are curly brackets after the method call? (void)
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menus_ingame.cpp
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 00:32:52Z
I don't see curly brackets there
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perhaps you could link the code on github instead of screenshotting btw
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heinrich5991
I don't see curly brackets there
bluesky 2022-07-09 00:34:33Z
https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/src/game/client/components/menus_ingame.cpp Line 403
ddnet/menus_ingame.cpp at master · ddnet/ddnet
DDraceNetwork, a cooperative racing mod of Teeworlds - ddnet/menus_ingame.cpp at master · ddnet/ddnet
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heinrich5991
perhaps you could link the code on github instead of screenshotting btw
bluesky 2022-07-09 00:35:03Z
How?
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 00:35:44Z
you can click on the line number
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https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/5345e55b94c30b4d4d3fe9e5ec3b2c908a812f12/src/game/client/components/menus_ingame.cpp#L403=
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bluesky 2022-07-09 00:35:56Z
ok thanks!
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 00:36:00Z
it's just a block
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bluesky 2022-07-09 00:36:23Z
so you can just use curly brackets mid code without a context?
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 00:36:30Z
yes
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it's just so that the variables inside don't live longer
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bluesky 2022-07-09 00:37:17Z
like the "using" statement in c#? (edited)
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 00:38:14Z
in c# you can also do blocks without context
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bluesky 2022-07-09 00:38:37Z
didnt know that lol
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Anyway, why is only that particular part in a special block? What if you remove the brackets (edited)
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 00:44:19Z
it makes the CUIRect Button local to that block
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bluesky 2022-07-09 00:47:20Z
oh so its just a way for reusing the name Button
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Tater 2022-07-09 00:55:00Z
is it possible to have a branch which represents the current deployed build of ddnet? Idk how to keep track of which commits dean cherry picks into the actual build
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I imagine it would also be useful for debugging
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Tater 2022-07-09 01:05:01Z
hmm I found a solution to my issue but I still think this would be nice
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Learath2 2022-07-09 01:05:14Z
I think(tm) we always run master on the servers unless something is broken in master
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Tater 2022-07-09 01:05:34Z
but client is different?
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Learath2 2022-07-09 01:05:46Z
Yes, client can be behind
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Tater 2022-07-09 01:06:01Z
I guess it's not so simple then
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Learath2 2022-07-09 01:06:12Z
Actually we probably don't update the servers unless there is a new commit we want in there, but if we ever do update it's always to master
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we don't run a special branch with cherry picked stuff from master
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Tater
hmm I found a solution to my issue but I still think this would be nice
bluesky 2022-07-09 01:06:45Z
Whats the solution? Can you clone a Tag like a branch?
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Learath2 2022-07-09 01:07:16Z
I guess we can try to create a branch, but it'd be a manual thing we have to update, might forget, hmm
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Tater 2022-07-09 01:07:21Z
git fetch --tags upstream updates tags from upstream to my fork then I can rebase on 16.2.1 tag
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but it would be nice if 16.2.1 was not a tag
01:07
just some branch that gets updated with client
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Learath2 2022-07-09 01:08:10Z
you can check the deployed version by using /info on the server btw
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it'll tell you the git commit we built
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Tater 2022-07-09 01:10:20Z
I don't really care about server build so much since it's always the most recent. but if for example I want to develop on the most recent stable release the only way to do that right now is to manually figure out which tag is the most recent and then rebase on it
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I mean it could probably be automated somehow but still not ideal I think
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GitHub BOT 2022-07-09 04:30:20Z
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[ddnet-maps:master] 1 new commit
3b946b6 M Hulk, M Kobra, M MagiK, M Planet Venus, M Skillz 5 - ddnet-maps
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deen
Doesn‘t work on Safari mobile for me, Firefox desktop works fine
Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 05:33:30Z
yeah apple doesn't support webgl2 as the only player in the market as always xD DDNet to wasm also doesn't work on safari's webkit, while it works on every other device i tested^^
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Patiga
I'll have to learn what kind of devices have which problems, I think @Jupstar ✪ has experience in that direction ^^
Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 05:35:03Z
except apple devices (that use safari's webkit... so all mobile and safari desktop) it should indeed work pretty much everywhere. The web "drivers" have some workaround for knows bugs afaik
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@Patiga how can i toggle FPS 😄
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 05:42:58Z
I assume it does not have mipmap support yet? 😄
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 05:57:33Z
can't comile tho :/ error[E0432]: unresolved import `web_sys::HtmlCanvasElement` --> map-inspect-web/src/lib.rs:12:15 | 12 | use web_sys::{HtmlCanvasElement, Response}; | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ no `HtmlCanvasElement` in the root I am on rust nightly (edited)
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 06:32:36Z
[2022-07-09T06:32:09Z ERROR wgpu_hal::vulkan::instance] VALIDATION [VUID-vkCmdCopyImage-srcImageLayout-00128 (0xef9e2bd6)] Validation Error: [ VUID-vkCmdCopyImage-srcImageLayout-00128 ] Object 0: handle = 0x562d4c486300, name = Array Texture Creator, type = VK_OBJECT_TYPE_COMMAND_BUFFER; | MessageID = 0xef9e2bd6 | vkCmdCopyImage: Cannot use VkImage 0x1510000000151[Array Image generic_deathtiles] (layer=0 mip=0) with specific layout VK_IMAGE_LAYOUT_TRANSFER_SRC_OPTIMAL that doesn't match the previous known layout VK_IMAGE_LAYOUT_TRANSFER_DST_OPTIMAL. The Vulkan spec states: srcImageLayout must specify the layout of the image subresources of srcImage specified in pRegions at the time this command is executed on a VkDevice (https://www.khronos.org/registry/vulkan/specs/1.3-extensions/html/vkspec.html#VUID-vkCmdCopyImage-srcImageLayout-00128) [2022-07-09T06:32:09Z ERROR wgpu_hal::vulkan::instance] objects: (type: COMMAND_BUFFER, hndl: 0x562d4c486300, name: Array Texture Creator) [2022-07-09T06:32:09Z ERROR wgpu_hal::vulkan::instance] VALIDATION [VUID-vkCmdCopyImage-srcImageLayout-00129 (0x85e93015)] Validation Error: [ VUID-vkCmdCopyImage-srcImageLayout-00129 ] Object 0: handle = 0x562d4c486300, name = Array Texture Creator, type = VK_OBJECT_TYPE_COMMAND_BUFFER; | MessageID = 0x85e93015 | vkCmdCopyImage: Layout for VkImage 0x1510000000151[Array Image generic_deathtiles] is VK_IMAGE_LAYOUT_TRANSFER_SRC_OPTIMAL but can only be VK_IMAGE_LAYOUT_GENERAL or VK_IMAGE_LAYOUT_GENERAL. The Vulkan spec states: srcImageLayout must be VK_IMAGE_LAYOUT_TRANSFER_SRC_OPTIMAL or VK_IMAGE_LAYOUT_GENERAL (https://www.khronos.org/registry/vulkan/specs/1.3/html/vkspec.html#VUID-vkCmdCopyImage-srcImageLayout-00129) [2022-07-09T06:32:09Z ERROR wgpu_hal::vulkan::instance] objects: (type: COMMAND_BUFFER, hndl: 0x562d4c486300, name: Array Texture Creator) vulkan not happy yet
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your fps calculation seems slightly off xD
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or is that CPU only?
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zoom performance is really awesome, how did you do that? build the map borders as buffers on fly?
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deen
Doesn't load for me at all now with ?ddnet @Patiga Uncaught LinkError: import object field '__wbg_screen_04bce210c29df7c4' is not a Function
Patiga 2022-07-09 06:47:11Z
thats caching I think
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Jupstar ✪
can't comile tho :/ error[E0432]: unresolved import `web_sys::HtmlCanvasElement` --> map-inspect-web/src/lib.rs:12:15 | 12 | use web_sys::{HtmlCanvasElement, Response}; | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ no `HtmlCanvasElement` in the root I am on rust nightly (edited)
Patiga 2022-07-09 06:49:46Z
weird, must've missed to add a feature to a dependency there. odd that it worked for me
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Jupstar ✪
I assume it does not have mipmap support yet? 😄
Patiga 2022-07-09 06:50:06Z
yea ^^
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Jupstar ✪
[2022-07-09T06:32:09Z ERROR wgpu_hal::vulkan::instance] VALIDATION [VUID-vkCmdCopyImage-srcImageLayout-00128 (0xef9e2bd6)] Validation Error: [ VUID-vkCmdCopyImage-srcImageLayout-00128 ] Object 0: handle = 0x562d4c486300, name = Array Texture Creator, type = VK_OBJECT_TYPE_COMMAND_BUFFER; | MessageID = 0xef9e2bd6 | vkCmdCopyImage: Cannot use VkImage 0x1510000000151[Array Image generic_deathtiles] (layer=0 mip=0) with specific layout VK_IMAGE_LAYOUT_TRANSFER_SRC_OPTIMAL that doesn't match the previous known layout VK_IMAGE_LAYOUT_TRANSFER_DST_OPTIMAL. The Vulkan spec states: srcImageLayout must specify the layout of the image subresources of srcImage specified in pRegions at the time this command is executed on a VkDevice (https://www.khronos.org/registry/vulkan/specs/1.3-extensions/html/vkspec.html#VUID-vkCmdCopyImage-srcImageLayout-00128) [2022-07-09T06:32:09Z ERROR wgpu_hal::vulkan::instance] objects: (type: COMMAND_BUFFER, hndl: 0x562d4c486300, name: Array Texture Creator) [2022-07-09T06:32:09Z ERROR wgpu_hal::vulkan::instance] VALIDATION [VUID-vkCmdCopyImage-srcImageLayout-00129 (0x85e93015)] Validation Error: [ VUID-vkCmdCopyImage-srcImageLayout-00129 ] Object 0: handle = 0x562d4c486300, name = Array Texture Creator, type = VK_OBJECT_TYPE_COMMAND_BUFFER; | MessageID = 0x85e93015 | vkCmdCopyImage: Layout for VkImage 0x1510000000151[Array Image generic_deathtiles] is VK_IMAGE_LAYOUT_TRANSFER_SRC_OPTIMAL but can only be VK_IMAGE_LAYOUT_GENERAL or VK_IMAGE_LAYOUT_GENERAL. The Vulkan spec states: srcImageLayout must be VK_IMAGE_LAYOUT_TRANSFER_SRC_OPTIMAL or VK_IMAGE_LAYOUT_GENERAL (https://www.khronos.org/registry/vulkan/specs/1.3/html/vkspec.html#VUID-vkCmdCopyImage-srcImageLayout-00129) [2022-07-09T06:32:09Z ERROR wgpu_hal::vulkan::instance] objects: (type: COMMAND_BUFFER, hndl: 0x562d4c486300, name: Array Texture Creator) vulkan not happy yet
Patiga 2022-07-09 06:51:23Z
true, I blame wgpu 😛 (although I could probably fix it, but it works riiiight?
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Jupstar ✪
your fps calculation seems slightly off xD
Patiga 2022-07-09 06:53:16Z
hm yes, for 5 seconds I bump a counter for each render process I start, I suppose that is not the right way o.o
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Jupstar ✪
zoom performance is really awesome, how did you do that? build the map borders as buffers on fly?
Patiga 2022-07-09 06:54:46Z
thats my version of tilemaps. those also make it less performant on smaller zoom steps (I think)
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the tilemaps are each just a single quad that cover the screen, and in the fragment shader I figure out which tile it is + orientation to figureout the pixels color
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Tater 2022-07-09 06:57:13Z
@Patiga I don't see any tiles, only the quads and background? same on firefox/chrome
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3070/AMD 5600x if it helps
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Patiga 2022-07-09 06:59:10Z
thanks! don't yet know what causes that
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Tater 2022-07-09 07:00:37Z
I only see one error in console
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-07-09 07:03:31Z
https://mapview.patiga.eu/?ddnet=Tutorial empty white page for me on iOS safari
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Patiga 2022-07-09 07:03:35Z
yea those are normal for now 😅
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chillerdragon: safari apparently doesnt support webgl as well as the other browsers
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chillerdragon BOT 2022-07-09 07:06:34Z
webmetal when
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Patiga
the tilemaps are each just a single quad that cover the screen, and in the fragment shader I figure out which tile it is + orientation to figureout the pixels color
Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 07:11:57Z
but one "tilemap" is a collection of multiple tiles?
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Patiga
thats my version of tilemaps. those also make it less performant on smaller zoom steps (I think)
Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 07:15:25Z
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3.5k fps is max for me on your renderer, vs 10-11k on ddnet
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but urs also does the surface conversion, that probs costs quite a lot of frames, probably atleast 100%
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so i assume yours can do at least 6-7k
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Tater 2022-07-09 07:21:18Z
would it be possible to do the tile rendering in ddnet by just putting all the tiles into some sort of texture atlas then running a compute/fragment shader to lookup the texture per pixel?
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Tater
I spend too much time on that site xD https://www.shadertoy.com/user/Tater
Voxel 2022-07-09 07:21:31Z
Wait, that's YOU?! Wait, this is totally off topic, my bad. (edited)
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Tater 2022-07-09 07:21:58Z
lol
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Tater
would it be possible to do the tile rendering in ddnet by just putting all the tiles into some sort of texture atlas then running a compute/fragment shader to lookup the texture per pixel?
Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 07:22:01Z
possible yes, if its a good solution is another question tho
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Tater 2022-07-09 07:22:17Z
it would get good zoom performance I guess
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 07:22:32Z
yes
07:22
but would defs kill non zoom performance
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Tater 2022-07-09 07:22:50Z
yeah
07:23
big zoom is not used that often anyway ingame
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 07:23:37Z
i'd defs like to improve it sooner or later tho
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i see other problems with texture usage tho, e.g. it must look relativly good
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but on which zoom level do you create the textures?
07:24
rerender at every zoom step change?
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mipmaps will suck hard if you dont do that
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but rerendering will create a lag everytime you change the zoom step
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Tater 2022-07-09 07:24:41Z
hmm
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 07:25:55Z
@Patiga 's solution might work
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Patiga 2022-07-09 07:26:00Z
which textures? I only have an additional texture for the srgb redirection
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Tater 2022-07-09 07:26:05Z
I'm not very familiar with how the current system works tbh, I looked at it a bit then gave up. (edited)
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Patiga 2022-07-09 07:26:07Z
the tilemaps render directly to the target
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 07:26:22Z
tilemap = textures?
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Patiga 2022-07-09 07:26:25Z
yea I rerender every frame
07:26
ah yes
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those ones
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they are just static, its basically the same tilemap as on the cpu
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with some value changes
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 07:27:02Z
but how did you solve the border?
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why is it so efficient
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Patiga 2022-07-09 07:27:37Z
when I index into the tilemap, I clamp the index to the min and max index
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 07:27:53Z
do you use a geometry shader?
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Patiga 2022-07-09 07:27:57Z
https://gitlab.com/Patiga/twgpu/-/blob/master/twgpu/src/map/tilemap_shader.wgsl#L66
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 07:28:04Z
i dont understand why instanced rendering is so slow vs your approach
07:28
u basically do everything on the GPU right?
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Patiga 2022-07-09 07:28:29Z
yep
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 07:28:47Z
so it creates the borders itself
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Patiga 2022-07-09 07:29:24Z
yes, it renders the same way as the normal tiles
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Tater 2022-07-09 07:29:47Z
this feels like it should be a solved problem, aren't there lots of games that use tile rendering?
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 07:30:00Z
i am just suprised that it works out so well compared to instanced rendering
07:30
to me it sounds relativly similar
07:30
if it creates the vertices on the GPU, or if it uses one vertex and moves it around
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Patiga
which textures? I only have an additional texture for the srgb redirection
Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 07:33:03Z
but you enter the fragment shader twice?
07:33
at least sounded like that last time we talked about it
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Patiga 2022-07-09 07:33:57Z
once for each tilemap
07:34
the vertex buffer (that contains the quad that covers the screen) is actually shared between all tilemaps, the parallax and so on all happens in the vertex shader
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 07:35:56Z
ok understandable
07:36
but still i am mostly interested in the borders
07:36
are they part of the vertex buffer?
07:36
fully extended?
07:37
wait you create a texture for the whole map?
07:38
pls explain before i learn rust syntax xddd
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Patiga 2022-07-09 07:58:06Z
yes, the entire cpu tilemap is also on the gpu (with some adjusted values)
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 07:58:15Z
yes
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as texture right?
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one pixel per thing
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per tile
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Patiga 2022-07-09 07:58:27Z
the vertex buffer is simply a quad that always covers the entire screen, no further than that
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yup
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 07:58:42Z
ok
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i understand that part
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just not the borders
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Patiga 2022-07-09 07:59:10Z
so for any given pixel on the screen I need to figure out which tile it is on
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for that I floor the position and have that as the index for the tile
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I use that to access the tilemap
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to support the border, I clamp the index between 0 and the tilemap bounds
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:00:30Z
ok i understand
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Patiga 2022-07-09 08:01:03Z
nice
08:01
maybe wrote a bit hectic, gotta pack my rucksack rn ^^
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:03:47Z
what is meant by "tilemap" ?
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it's a texture?
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:04:05Z
yes
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1 pixel per tile
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so in back in time 3 you'll probably get a 1500x4000 texture
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:04:48Z
it's like a lookup table for the texture?
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each pixel in the tilemap contains an index to a texture? or something else
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:06:13Z
u basically see the world as pixels too
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and then overlay the tilemap texture and clamp on the edges
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or see the world as tiles which refer to 1 pixel on the tilemap
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:08:10Z
ok I get that but you go from screen pixel -> tile coords -> tilemap -> ??
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where do the actual tile textures come in
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:09:12Z
u go from screen -> tile that would map the screen -> some offset etc calculation to know where the tile is on the pixelmap (clamp if outside)
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atleast that's how i imagine it
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Patiga 2022-07-09 08:09:40Z
screen pixel -> tile coords -> tilemap -> tile id -> tilemap array texture
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:10:47Z
ok I understand
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so you only render a single fullscreen quad per layer?
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Patiga 2022-07-09 08:12:34Z
exactly :)
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:12:56Z
I think we could do that in ddnet client
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Patiga 2022-07-09 08:12:59Z
but the computations in the fragment shader are expensive
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:13:01Z
ah
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:13:35Z
yeah it leaves everything to the GPU but at a certain zoom level it might still be worth it to use a similar approach for the borders only
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:13:39Z
the computations are expensive or the texture lookup is expensive?
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I thought you just do simple math
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:13:48Z
it's clearly faster than instanced rendering
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Patiga 2022-07-09 08:14:53Z
@Jupstar ✪ you have a quad for each tile, couldn't you also add just 8 quads for each border segment? those could just all be activated when any border is seen, that shouldn't be expensive, no?
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:15:12Z
i tried that yes
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it gives bit more fps than the native driver, but still sucks too hard
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i assume the vertex shader overhead is just too huge
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it has to rasterize a few thousand quads
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more like then thousands
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that's generally the pro side of your approach
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Patiga 2022-07-09 08:16:22Z
ah, okay
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:16:22Z
it's cheap on vertex stage
08:16
but expensive on fragment
08:16
so a toggle at a certain zoom level would make sense
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the computations are expensive or the texture lookup is expensive?
Patiga 2022-07-09 08:17:42Z
yes its pretty simple math with a few io thingies. you want the fragment shader as short as possible though, it has to be computed for each pixel it is triggered for, so each line in the fragment shader adds up (as far as I understand it)
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:18:34Z
in my experience doing a single texture lookup is way more expensive than doing a moderately large amount of math
08:18
actually lemme just look
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:18:56Z
is that so?
08:19
i mean reading from VRAM at some level yes
08:19
but the gpu cores are also rather slow
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:19:19Z
it depends on many things
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:19:24Z
yeah probably 😄
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:20:50Z
if this is all the math you're doing then it's basically free
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idk if I'm missing something
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Patiga 2022-07-09 08:21:08Z
that could be a big slowdown, not just having to sample the mapres but also indexing into the tilemap
08:21
yes
08:21
thats all the math
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:21:53Z
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YPPFIqUN84
Jump Trajectory
You Might Be Thinking About Shader Performance Wrong
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:24:00Z
i wouldnt call it free tho 😄
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:24:02Z
not all that video is relevant
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:24:12Z
it still probs around half as fast as ddnet, which uses even less math 😄
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:24:48Z
hmm
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:25:27Z
it goes into a GPU bottleneck
08:25
i only get a CPU bottleneck with ddnet
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:25:49Z
I think it probably bottle necks on memory tho
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:26:21Z
radeontop says the pipeline is at 100%
08:26
i can certainly imagine its already on the GPU cores
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:26:45Z
well idk it doesn't even run on my pc xd
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:26:50Z
xD
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Patiga 2022-07-09 08:29:09Z
@Tater if you want you could try to compile it if you haven't already
08:29
seems like jupstar already figured it out ^^
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:29:29Z
I guess the performance also scales linearly with number of layers regardless of layer content? does ddnet renderer do that?
08:29
ok I'll try
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I guess the performance also scales linearly with number of layers regardless of layer content? does ddnet renderer do that?
Patiga 2022-07-09 08:29:54Z
yes, thats another big factor I think
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:30:24Z
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:31:12Z
Grafik
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:31:23Z
left you see the usage of the GPU
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:32:04Z
that's a cool tool
08:32
I guess amd only?
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:32:29Z
yes radeontop
08:32
so the GPU cores and the VRAM fetching both go up
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Patiga 2022-07-09 08:32:47Z
@Jupstar ✪ have you compiled in release mode btw?
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:32:53Z
yes
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cargo b --release
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Patiga 2022-07-09 08:33:01Z
nice 👍
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:38:22Z
I think it's building :o
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:40:00Z
well anyway really amazing work, its cool to see it working with vulkan and webgl without major problems. I cannot judge how well it compares to native vulkan only, but it seems like the shaders are on a level at least that of higher OpenGL version like, GLES 3 maybe?
08:40
ddnet's vulkan outperforms its opengl backends just bcs of the CPU bottleneck
08:40
in fact RADV is slower than radeonsi on GPU bounds for me
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:41:09Z
aah :(
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:41:25Z
just ignore the web inspector
08:41
it also doesnt build for me
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:41:35Z
oh
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:41:37Z
as long as the other tool runs 😄
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:44:27Z
which is the other tool?
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:44:45Z
twgpu-map-inspect
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:46:16Z
what is MAPRES_DIRECTORY
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:46:39Z
the editor mapres
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in /data in ur ddnet dir
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:52:20Z
omg it works (edited)
08:52
how do I move the camera
08:53
oh nvm the mouse moves forever
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:53:18Z
yeah the mouse bit buggy xD
08:53
bcs its not clamped inside the window 😄
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:53:55Z
perf seems good but I don't have the fancy tool
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:54:03Z
u on intel?
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:54:05Z
nvidia
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:54:11Z
which?
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:54:13Z
3070
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 08:54:18Z
ok so also high end
08:54
would like to know on a "bad" GPU 😄
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:54:32Z
ah
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 08:57:17Z
you can double-click for fullscreen
08:57
maybe that helps with the mouse issue
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Tater 2022-07-09 08:57:31Z
I'm using desktop version
08:57
web was broke for me
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 08:59:28Z
ohh a rust renderer
08:59
there are some funny artifacts on the end of the map xD
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 09:03:54Z
btw, I managed to bring down the rust code size when building statically
09:04
so now it's okay at a couple of hundred kilobytes
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 09:04:19Z
PepeA
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 09:04:24Z
the trick was enabling LTO for the final artifact…
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i.e. in CMakeLists.txt
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 09:04:41Z
oh yeah
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also mentioned on min-sized-rust doc
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 09:05:11Z
not really
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I enabled it in Cargo.toml, but it's no good there because we're producing a static library
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(min-sized-rust only talks about Cargo.toml wrt. LTO)
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 09:05:52Z
ah yeah
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 09:05:53Z
I needed it in the final artifact
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 09:05:59Z
i guess lto makes more sense in the final binary
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 09:06:12Z
ye
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so, do you have an idea where I could implement something small in rust?
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 09:07:03Z
hmm
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a chat command?
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 09:08:12Z
I suppose, sounds good
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 09:09:30Z
@heinrich5991 if u want to use the gameserver in the chat command
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do u have to define the whole gameserver interface in rust?
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xD
09:09
sounds like some work
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 09:09:59Z
ah, maybe a chat command isn't the best start 😄
09:09
hmm
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 09:10:29Z
u can just pass the chat text
09:10
and pass smth back
09:11
the http downloader maybe
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if thats not too big already 😄
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word filter for client
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ez
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Tater 2022-07-09 09:23:11Z
@Patiga I think you could return 0 on air tile to skip texture, might get some performance
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 09:24:13Z
GPUs heavily rely on predication
09:24
they don't use jmp opcodes like CPUs do so heavily
09:25
makes sense bcs there is only 1 instruction register for multiple shader cores
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makes sense bcs there is only 1 instruction register for multiple shader cores
heinrich5991 2022-07-09 09:25:22Z
oh interesting, TIL
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 09:25:42Z
predication?
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 09:25:45Z
prediction
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 09:25:46Z
or prediction
09:25
ah
09:25
Definition of predication 1 archaic. a : an act of proclaiming or preaching. b : sermon. 2 : an act or instance of predicating: such as. a : the expression of action, state, or quality by a grammatical predicate.
09:25
xD
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 09:26:04Z
i think its called predication
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 09:26:17Z
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predication_(computer_architecture)
Predication (computer architecture)
In computer science, predication is an architectural feature that provides an alternative to conditional transfer of control, as implemented by conditional branch machine instructions. Predication works by having conditional (predicated) non-branch instructions associated with a predicate, a Boolean value used by the instruction to control wheth...
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interesting
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from predicate
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then I even misunderstood you because I "autocorrected" predication to prediction. thanks for the question @Ryozuki
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 09:28:08Z
a predicated move instruction (a conditional move) will only modify the destination if the predicate is true. Thus, instead of using a conditional branch to select an instruction or a sequence of instructions to execute based on the predicate that controls whether the branch occurs, the instructions to be executed are associated with that predicate, so that they will be executed, or not executed, based on whether that predicate is true or false.
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GitHub BOT 2022-07-09 09:30:31Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #5595 LookupHost test fails without internet connection
I don't think our unit tests should depend on internet connection, it just hangs, using 100% CPU: [ RUN ] Jobs.LookupHost [2022-07-09 11:25:20][host_lookup]: host='example.com' port=0 11 ^C
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Tater 2022-07-09 09:32:11Z
wikipedia really explains that in the most confusing way possible
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 09:32:34Z
you could try to enhance it once you understand
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 09:33:44Z
xd to sum it up: early discards(returns) are basically a jump so all other instructions might(depending on the processor) result in predications So in the end you might not gain as much performance as you hope you gain. But test it out, then you know for sure, tho on mobile it might be completly different
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i'd generally minimize if conditions or put them at the very end of a function as much as possible
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also as wikipedia says, the instructions are bigger, bcs they require extra encoding
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Tater 2022-07-09 09:35:44Z
yeah I was aware of that when I made the suggestion, but if all threads in a group discard early then you save a lot of performance
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 09:36:05Z
if the gpu can detect that 😄
09:36
detecting it also costs resources
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Tater 2022-07-09 09:36:15Z
you have to test
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 09:36:16Z
afaiui, you can't "discard" early?
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Tater 2022-07-09 09:36:24Z
wdym?
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 09:36:37Z
well, Jupstar says something different
09:36
but my understanding based on what Jupstar said above was: you always run the program from start to end
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 09:37:06Z
yes
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Tater 2022-07-09 09:37:15Z
it's more complex than that I think
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 09:37:17Z
so your "early return" just means that a lot of instructions get skipped due to the conditions
09:37
but they still have to get skipped individually
09:37
and unless all the tiles with shared instruction pointer are empty, you even have to wait for the instructions to execute
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Tater 2022-07-09 09:38:06Z
threads are groups by nearby pixels, so it's not random that all threads in a group share a code path
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 09:38:23Z
but still detecting if all groupped pixels are discarding also costs
09:38
maybe even more then just run it
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5596 Disable Jobs.LookupHost (fixes #5595)

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  • [ ] Tested the change ingame
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Tater 2022-07-09 09:38:53Z
you skip a texture lookup tho
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 09:39:11Z
but all pixels are slower generally
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Tater 2022-07-09 09:39:16Z
yes
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 09:39:18Z
they have a predicate, if true or not
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Tater 2022-07-09 09:39:30Z
it's data dependent
09:39
if your map has no air it will be slower
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 09:39:36Z
anyway, just test it out, it's more meant as a reminder
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but i'd defs test it on embedded devices
09:39
they usually have fewer instructions
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Tater 2022-07-09 09:50:15Z
hmm this may actually be illegal in webgpu, you can only call texturelookup in "uniform" control flow
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ah I think it just requires textureSampleLevel instead of textureSample to remove implicit mip
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 09:55:26Z
maybe you could already discard the vertices itself, e.g. in a geometry shader
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Tater 2022-07-09 09:55:36Z
but it's a fullscreen quad?
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 09:55:52Z
yeah u'd need to split it
09:56
but probs adds to much pressure on the vertex stage again
09:57
well i assume this is simply the downside of the approach along with the texture sizes the tilemaps can have but maybe we can still integrate a similar yet not as powerful approach to our border rendering
09:57
bcs that's still the most unefficient call in ddnet
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https://opengles.gpuinfo.org/displaycapability.php?name=GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE&esversion=3
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even for GLES 3 still 1k reports chill on only 4096 for texture sizes
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@Patiga ^ maybe also interesting for you
09:59
but i assume you could split the texture if needed 😄 i think u have like 16 texture units garantueed in one shader stage with GLES 3
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Tater 2022-07-09 10:00:07Z
@Jupstar ✪ you wanna test it with your fancy tool? I can't get any fps counter to work
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 10:00:20Z
sure 😄
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do i need to rebuild?
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Tater 2022-07-09 10:00:38Z
I think so
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 10:00:39Z
or is the shader build on fly
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ok
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Tater 2022-07-09 10:02:18Z
also idk if there is any difference between discard; and return vec4<f32>(0.,0.,0.,0.); (edited)
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 10:02:20Z
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Tater 2022-07-09 10:03:08Z
is it exactly the same?
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 10:03:24Z
i dunno, i can just run the old i guess
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Tater 2022-07-09 10:03:38Z
It's possible it does nothing, I just assume air tile is 0
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xd
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 10:05:37Z
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ok the other was few pixels bigger
10:06
but its relativly similar
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Tater 2022-07-09 10:06:22Z
it looks the same fps?
10:06
I probably messed up and it does nothing at all
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 10:07:07Z
but i also dunno how the shader file is embedded into the rust code
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does it know when it needs to rebuild?
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Tater 2022-07-09 10:07:33Z
idk it knew I had errors when I built it with a bad shader
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xd
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 10:08:02Z
i changed the shader files but it didnt go into the linking stage again
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maybe it just caches both files? well anyway patiga will know ^^
10:10
more important is, how much does to_srgb cost, @Patiga is it only run for the web edition?
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[ddnet:master] 2 new commits
c6589f3 (A bit) safer interface for text containers - Jupeyy e2f7f53 Merge #5591 - bors[bot]
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #5591 (A bit) safer interface for text containers
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[quakenet] ddnetuser BOT 2022-07-09 10:14:52Z
hey
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 10:15:07Z
hai
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[quakenet] ddnetuser BOT 2022-07-09 10:15:09Z
How do I change the server_ip in ddnet?
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 10:15:34Z
in the UI?
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[quakenet] ddnetuser BOT 2022-07-09 10:15:46Z
In self-hosting
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 10:15:54Z
the binding IP?
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[quakenet] ddnetuser BOT 2022-07-09 10:15:59Z
Yes
10:16
couldn't find it in docs
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 10:16:25Z
https://ddnet.tw/settingscommands/ i dunno if it exists, but here are all commands
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 10:16:32Z
bindaddr <ADDR>
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[quakenet] ddnetuser BOT 2022-07-09 10:16:43Z
okay thanks
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 10:16:52Z
but you'll only be able to assign IP addresses that you can bind on, obviously 😉
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[quakenet] ddnetuser BOT 2022-07-09 10:17:04Z
Gotcha
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #5597 Deprecated crypto code
src/base/hash_openssl.cpp:23:2: warning: 'MD5_Init' is deprecated [-Wdeprecated-declarations] src/base/hash_openssl.cpp:17:2: warning: 'SHA256_Final' is deprecated [-Wdeprecated-declarations] src/base/hash_openssl.cpp:11:2: warning: 'SHA256_Update' is deprecated [-Wdeprecated-declarations] src/base/hash_openssl.cpp:6:2: warning: 'SHA256_Init' is deprecated [-Wdeprecated-declarations]
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[quakenet] ddnetuser BOT 2022-07-09 10:44:50Z
[net]: failed to bind socket with domain 10 and type 2 (99 'Cannot assign requested address')
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I'm getting this,
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even tho I do have access ti the address:
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inet 10.8.0.2/24 scope global tun0
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-07-09 10:46:22Z
I ran fine so far ignorning that warning :) it mostly still works
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check ss -lt if it is bound
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uhm ss -lu i mean
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[quakenet] ddnetuser BOT 2022-07-09 10:48:20Z
UNCONN 0 0 10.8.0.2:8303 0.0.0.0:*
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It is
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thank you
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let me try connecting
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-07-09 11:14:48Z
oof 25 minutes waiting on da macOS pipeline on github https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1657365263.png
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-07-09 12:11:24Z
my plan to improve my pipeline situation on gitlab is also not going too well so far https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1657368639.png
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 12:13:50Z
do they have a limit for public repos?
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-07-09 12:26:22Z
Not sure but my use case is a private repo anyways. So i probably should host some own runners.
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.. or open source my bots axaxaxax
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 12:56:07Z
https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/vuysxf/into_future_has_been_stabilized/
r/rust - into_future has been stabilized!
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Into the Future with IntoFuture - Improving Rust Async Ergonomics
Learn to improve async ergonomics in Rust by using the IntoFuture trait. We explore the history of the feature and explore using it with example code.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/vuysxf/into_future_has_been_stabilized/
Learath2 2022-07-09 13:04:24Z
Celebrate
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[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit
7846e2c video on frontpage - def-
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Click to see attachment 🖼️
Learath2 2022-07-09 13:22:23Z
Was this made in php I wonder, who even uses php for this kind of application though? think
13:24
He used single quotes outside to be allowed the double inside, but single quotes disable string interpolation
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c0d3d3v 2022-07-09 13:24:19Z
@deen xD I know now why I did overwrite the prediction with the snap data. But I will do a new solution for this, that do not modify the prediction system. I used the data for the jump display to calculate if someone did use his ground jump. (But we do not want to display the ground jump now anyway (only if you have one jump), but that will be done in an different PR). And also I used that data for the active weapon display. (Both cases only if you spectate others, because then it is not predicted) .... I will do a fix PR, sorry for not telling clear in first place that I want to do more tests.
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He used single quotes outside to be allowed the double inside, but single quotes disable string interpolation
c0d3d3v 2022-07-09 13:26:29Z
I have seen PHP in a lot of ticket systems, for like cinemas, But I guess that is only a test by a dev, because the price is also fiction....
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xDD even funnier the website at the bottom xD that provides secure home solution has no TLS
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[ddnet/ddnet-web] Pull request opened: #204 add Arrow as tester
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He used single quotes outside to be allowed the double inside, but single quotes disable string interpolation
Ryozuki 2022-07-09 13:30:07Z
lmao
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so php is just like bash
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i knew it
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[ddnet/ddnet-web] Pull request closed: #204 add Arrow as tester
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[ddnet-web:master] 2 new commits
fd07d8d Arrow as official tester - murpii d42b02e Merge pull request #204 from murpii/patch-10 - def-
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Shahry8r 2022-07-09 13:43:17Z
@Aoe hi I have a question
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 13:44:19Z
wrong channel probs
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-07-09 13:48:18Z
#aoe is the channel u want
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5598 Fix the HUD bug I intoduced with https://github\.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5592
Use for weapon and jump display now render information instead of the predicted data, so that these display are also correct if you spectate other players. This is necessary since with https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5592 this information is no longer present in the predicted character (if the character is not predicted)

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  • [x] Tested the change ingame
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 14:07:05Z
wtf, u destroyed discord
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ez
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interesting that if u include a URL in the title it gets parsed as URL by discord
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fokkonaut 2022-07-09 14:11:22Z
github/.com
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GitHub BOT 2022-07-09 14:47:35Z
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heinrich5991
[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5599 WIP Rust PoC
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 14:56:06Z
👀
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 15:27:48Z
what is a "inline namespace"
15:27
in cpp
15:29
DDNet-Server goes from 1.9 MiB to 6.6 MiB, and DDNet goes from 3.9 MiB to 8.6 MiB.
15:29
honestly in these days this is still a rly small binary
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 15:30:36Z
discord dll is 3.3mb, for doing basically nothingxd
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 15:30:40Z
xd
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eldenring.exe is 80mb
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 15:31:51Z
@Ryozuki inline namespace is not visible to the program using the header, but it'll end up in the mangled name. this way, c++ libraries can break API without breaking ABI (edited)
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 15:32:17Z
i see
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Ryozuki
eldenring.exe is 80mb
Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 15:32:57Z
and eldenring itself is probs like 200gb? xdd
15:33
if we include UHD data files at some point it will increase anyway
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 15:33:33Z
xd
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 15:34:22Z
I wonder if including an svg renderer would be smaller
15:34
then it could build the PNGs of the right size on launch in the background
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 15:40:56Z
yeah would probs still cache the results: ../scripts/build.sh 3840 2160 .. 49,92s user 2,97s system 1446% cpu 3,658 total that is with using inkscape. Dunno if its better than other SVG renderers tho
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 15:41:46Z
https://github.com/RazrFalcon/resvg
GitHub - RazrFalcon/resvg: An SVG rendering library.
An SVG rendering library. Contribute to RazrFalcon/resvg development by creating an account on GitHub.
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 15:42:06Z
../scripts/build.sh 4096 2160 .. 38,04s user 2,64s system 189% cpu 21,423 total single threaded
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Ryozuki
https://github.com/RazrFalcon/resvg
Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 15:42:14Z
if that renders correctly...
15:42
even firefox has bugs in SVG rendering
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 15:42:21Z
@Jupstar ✪ it renders better probs
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Image attachment
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pases more tests
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than firefox
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 15:42:35Z
ok
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 15:42:41Z
they state correctness as design goal at the very least
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 15:43:03Z
i just wonder why inkscape should be below firefox
15:43
i experienced multiple bugs with firefox but not with inkscape xD
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 15:44:06Z
"Designed for edge-cases"
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xD
15:44
While resvg is not the only SVG library written in Rust, it's the only one that is written completely in Rust. There is no non-Rust code in the final binary.
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poggers
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 15:44:52Z
one thing if we use rust, we should be careful with our libraries, i saw many rust libs under AGPL like
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 15:45:16Z
there's some tool to check them
15:45
or rather a couple of them ^^
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Jupstar ✪
one thing if we use rust, we should be careful with our libraries, i saw many rust libs under AGPL like
Ryozuki 2022-07-09 15:45:32Z
not rly
15:45
most use MIT + Apache 2.0
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 15:45:47Z
maybe the bigger ones yeah
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 15:45:56Z
but its the one most ppl use
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 15:45:58Z
anyway if we can check it, fine
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 15:46:00Z
cuz rust itself uses that
15:46
so they follow
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 15:46:10Z
yeah good 😄
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 15:46:47Z
all current dependencies that I added are under both MIT and Apache 2.0, at one's choice
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 15:47:02Z
but would there be a problem with using AGPL libraries?
15:47
we are full open source anyway
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 15:47:25Z
yes, but then all downstream users have to comply with AGPL, too
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 15:47:48Z
stallman would like that hehe
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 15:47:48Z
i.e. if there's a reason we're not under the AGPL, then we shouldn't use AGPL libraries either
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Ryozuki
stallman would like that hehe
Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 15:51:05Z
CC0 best, bcs sounds coolest, like some special secret orginanization
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 15:51:39Z
xd
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idk about using cc0 on code
15:51
law is so complicated
15:52
patents stuff etc
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 15:52:46Z
yeah best is idc just dont annoy me xd
15:52
the jupstar license, no license
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 15:54:03Z
I added a deny.toml, now you can issue cargo deny check licenses to check if we include some weird licenses
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 15:54:19Z
epic
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 15:54:36Z
oh cargo itself does that?
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 15:54:43Z
no, cargo-deny does
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cargo deny isn't cargo
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sudo pacman -S cargo-deny
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 15:55:12Z
ah true
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Cøke 2022-07-09 16:03:57Z
what about the freeze stars now? im not up to date 😄
16:04
will they come back or will i use older versions forever 😛
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 16:06:05Z
best about rust is really cargo, finally i can add regex lib xdd
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Cøke
will they come back or will i use older versions forever 😛
Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 16:07:00Z
i think other ppl around here wanted to wait at least one full week
16:07
until then u should use the new client and try if u get used to it, or if you have other ideas to improve it e.g. could add a small star at the freeze bar for every second xddd, then u have ur stars back
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Jupstar ✪
best about rust is really cargo, finally i can add regex lib xdd
Ryozuki 2022-07-09 16:16:15Z
tooling*
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Jupstar ✪
until then u should use the new client and try if u get used to it, or if you have other ideas to improve it e.g. could add a small star at the freeze bar for every second xddd, then u have ur stars back
Cøke 2022-07-09 16:20:38Z
hm ok but i prefer older version then 😄
16:20
freeze bar is pure shit
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GitHub BOT 2022-07-09 16:30:03Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5600 system: Add str_copy() template for fixed array destinations, do some small refactor
The commits are self-descriptional. The only note I need to say is that I didn't port whole codebase. It takes significant time to check str_copy() call arguments and doing all 500 cases in row would cost me eyes. The remaining parts are game/editor, game/server and tools. I hope for a fast acceptance because the massive change can not be wrong: I'm removing the dest size argument from calls and if the dest size can not be figured out automatically then the code just won't compile. ...
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Cøke
freeze bar is pure shit
heinrich5991 2022-07-09 16:43:46Z
do you have a reason why that is the case?
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Cøke 2022-07-09 16:48:54Z
its my opinion
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 16:50:14Z
so unfortunately no reason
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Cøke 2022-07-09 16:51:01Z
no reason to remove it xd
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 16:51:44Z
there is a reason; code maintainability
16:52
obviously, you can ask whether code maintainability is worth more than this particular feature, but that's where the tradeoffs start
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Cøke 2022-07-09 16:53:31Z
i just want an option to change it back xd
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 16:54:35Z
I understood that. you claimed that there's "no reason to remove it", I just gave you one reason to show that "no reason" is definitely wrong
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Cøke 2022-07-09 16:56:07Z
ill just wait or use old versions 😄
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Cøke
freeze bar is pure shit
Learath2 2022-07-09 17:08:39Z
Excellent feedback
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heinrich5991
there is a reason; code maintainability
bluesky 2022-07-09 17:15:17Z
I mean, in the end its just an animation. Code maintainability should still be there even if you change the "animation" right?
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GitHub BOT 2022-07-09 17:16:57Z
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[ddnet:master] 7 new commits
dd94d66 client/settings: Use CUI::CORNER enum keys where appropriate - Kaffeine 9faea2f client/menus_ingame: Fix a warning about struct padding - Kaffeine 9db49d9 variables.h: Add stub macros definitions to enable code highlight - Kaffeine 0d72b62 Replace 3.14159265f with 'pi' from math.h - Kaffeine c4f188a system: Add str_copy() template for fixed array destinations - Kaffeine 6d9284a Port some code to str_copy() template - Kaffeine 61231cc Merge #5600 - bors[bot]
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #5600 system: Add str_copy() template for fixed array destinations, do some small refactor
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bluesky
I mean, in the end its just an animation. Code maintainability should still be there even if you change the "animation" right?
Ryozuki 2022-07-09 17:20:41Z
he means the options to disable it
17:21
i think
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Shahry8r 2022-07-09 17:48:01Z
How can I customize like the video I sent ? 👇 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/992055164087324702/995327285966155806/dd.mp4 If you can help me, thank you 🙏
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2022-07-09 18:06:44Z
imo the freeze bar is too intense. Its visually bloating.
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 18:08:10Z
make smaller, less alpha i dunno, just try some stuff out
18:08
nothing is perfect from start
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Ravie 2022-07-09 18:12:19Z
how is it more intense than several bright yellow stars popping out of nowhere and spinning? xd
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bluesky 2022-07-09 18:21:30Z
It even gets less intense with each second. The intensity of the freezebar stays the same between 100-0% x) (edited)
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 18:23:05Z
I just played with the freezebar for the first time
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it's really amazing
18:23
I have no idea why you'd want to go back to the stars
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Ravie 2022-07-09 18:23:38Z
one issue with stars is too much movement, the bar just appears and stays mostly static so it's way less distracting
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heinrich5991
I have no idea why you'd want to go back to the stars
bluesky 2022-07-09 18:24:13Z
I think the freezebar is nice too. But people just have their preferences tho, some can play better with the stars, some like the freezebar more. We should let them be able choose (edited)
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 18:25:26Z
it's not sustainable to add configs for everything. why is this special and which config can we delete in order to make space?
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 18:25:53Z
i personally prefer thiner bars, like in most games
18:26
very thin bar
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GitHub BOT 2022-07-09 18:26:25Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #5601 Vote popup overlays status indicators in 16:9
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heinrich5991
it's not sustainable to add configs for everything. why is this special and which config can we delete in order to make space?
bluesky 2022-07-09 18:29:09Z
IMO we could delete the whole freezebar in freeze config because when you are in freeze you can see it because your sword isnt there anymore
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 18:29:43Z
we should rather delete some setting that has extra code paths
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bluesky 2022-07-09 18:29:54Z
But why do we need to make space already? The average config-file still has reasonable size i think (edited)
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 18:29:55Z
the freezebar setting is at least just a single parameter
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heinrich5991
the freezebar setting is at least just a single parameter
bluesky 2022-07-09 18:30:57Z
cl_useoldfreezeanim 0|1
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or cl_usestars would also be one parameter* (edited)
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Ravie 2022-07-09 18:32:25Z
merge all "old style" configs into cl_i_hate_change 1
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 18:32:37Z
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Ravie
merge all "old style" configs into cl_i_hate_change 1
Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 18:33:21Z
but also chat
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 18:34:20Z
yea, that might actually be doable
18:34
develop the new UI and keep the old UI frozen
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Jupstar ✪
but also chat
bluesky 2022-07-09 18:34:32Z
nah please dont merge
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 18:34:37Z
why not merge?
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Jupstar ✪
but also chat
Ravie 2022-07-09 18:34:44Z
I can live with it xd
18:34
or make a fork with old chat
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bluesky 2022-07-09 18:35:09Z
Then the whole point of customization is gone. Some people like the new chat but also the old freezeanim for example (edited)
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Ravie 2022-07-09 18:35:30Z
it's generally the same few people who hate anything new tho
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 18:35:52Z
but the my point is that customization is hard to maintain
18:35
hence I'm against adding more options
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 18:35:58Z
just for comparision
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Ravie
it's generally the same few people who hate anything new tho
Swarfey 2022-07-09 18:36:13Z
like 90% on blocking servers hating on the new hud and freeze
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 18:36:19Z
looks cleaner IMHO
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Swarfey 2022-07-09 18:36:21Z
btw is there any way to change freeze to the old star one?
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Swarfey
btw is there any way to change freeze to the old star one?
heinrich5991 2022-07-09 18:36:48Z
no, there currently isn't
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heinrich5991
but the my point is that customization is hard to maintain
bluesky 2022-07-09 18:37:40Z
ok i see what you mean.
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Swarfey
like 90% on blocking servers hating on the new hud and freeze
Ravie 2022-07-09 18:37:41Z
the hud is not for block thonk
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Ravie
the hud is not for block thonk
Swarfey 2022-07-09 18:38:22Z
yea but it still is enabled for the block servers since most people use ddnet client
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 18:38:51Z
the HUD is also for block
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Ravie 2022-07-09 18:39:31Z
doesn't block have their own weird tiles and not really use solo etc?
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 18:39:53Z
depends on what block we're talking about
18:39
ddnet also hosts block servers
18:40
those probably have the new UI
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the other block servers probably don't
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Swarfey 2022-07-09 18:40:37Z
blmapchill does
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Swarfey
like 90% on blocking servers hating on the new hud and freeze
Cøke 2022-07-09 18:41:29Z
yeah new hud things just useless
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bluesky 2022-07-09 18:41:31Z
Can someone please explain in a short and easy way how the server controlls the HUD on the clientside?
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 18:42:12Z
@Cøke please stop non-constructively saying bad things about other people's work (edited)
18:44
fine: I don't like the new HUD things not fine: the new HUD things are just useless
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Voxel 2022-07-09 18:45:49Z
the new hud is honestly pretty good. like i get why people wouldnt want it but for me it's really helpful
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 18:46:10Z
i doubt most ppl talk about the HUD tho
18:46
the old HUD was actually useless for ddrace
18:46
while the new provides useful information, and if u dont need it disable it
18:46
most are angry bcs of the stars
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bluesky
Can someone please explain in a short and easy way how the server controlls the HUD on the clientside?
heinrich5991 2022-07-09 18:47:47Z
it sends the tee's state, and the client displays it
18:47
maybe I don't quite get the question
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the old HUD was actually useless for ddrace
bluesky 2022-07-09 18:48:19Z
and if you dont like the new HUD , for whatever reason, you can disable it. I also think most mean the freezeanim
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 18:48:34Z
yeah 😄
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Jupstar ✪
very thin bar
Learath2 2022-07-09 18:48:55Z
you could skin it as such, no? we have asset files
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heinrich5991
it sends the tee's state, and the client displays it
bluesky 2022-07-09 18:49:15Z
Yes, and whats the server providing? I saw something about flags?
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Learath2
you could skin it as such, no? we have asset files
Learath2 2022-07-09 18:49:21Z
Ah you already did 😛
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 18:50:10Z
it's providing all that. e.g. how long the unfreeze will take, if you are in solo, how many jumps you have, if you have portal guns, …
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the old HUD was actually useless for ddrace
Learath2 2022-07-09 18:50:28Z
noo wym? how are they supposed to know their health now?
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bluesky
Yes, and whats the server providing? I saw something about flags?
Learath2 2022-07-09 18:50:41Z
The flags allow the server to enable parts of the HUD as needed
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-07-09 18:50:41Z
ah yeah
18:50
their 7 kitties lifes
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it's providing all that. e.g. how long the unfreeze will take, if you are in solo, how many jumps you have, if you have portal guns, …
bluesky 2022-07-09 18:51:13Z
thats what i mean, but the code side of it
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Ravie 2022-07-09 18:51:21Z
I'm waiting for the "shields > bar" argument
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Learath2
The flags allow the server to enable parts of the HUD as needed
bluesky 2022-07-09 18:52:01Z
what would be the flag for the jump indicator?
18:52
just for example? .-.
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Learath2 2022-07-09 18:53:09Z
HUD_HEALTH_ARMOR for health and shields, HUD_AMMO for ammo count, HUD_DDRACE for weapons and jump
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Why they didn't split up HUD_DDRACE into HUD_JUMPS and HUD_WEAPONBAR idk, maybe to conserve flag space?
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I'm waiting for the "shields > bar" argument
Learath2 2022-07-09 18:56:49Z
Ez, if you don't have shields you can't move, because it'd be dangerous to move without protection. So when you have no shields it intuitively and obviously means you can't move
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bluesky 2022-07-09 19:01:57Z
thanks
19:03
I still dont really get how server and client go together but i think i will figure it out by the time
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HUD, freeze, hook and so on. I never made a multiplayer game, so i guess i should XD (edited)
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BloodDrippn 2022-07-09 19:04:49Z
they should bring back the animation; like hammering while going into freeze.. the little moment of ninja
19:05
its so nostalgic and kinda usefull
19:06
if we should get rid of anything it would be the bug making hooks/grenades/shotguns weaker or stronger depending on the id placement
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BloodDrippn
if we should get rid of anything it would be the bug making hooks/grenades/shotguns weaker or stronger depending on the id placement
bluesky 2022-07-09 19:12:00Z
We should what?thonk
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BloodDrippn 2022-07-09 19:12:39Z
kill strong/weak hook
19:13
or make it a toggle or something
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bluesky 2022-07-09 19:13:18Z
Its an essential part of DDRace wdym "kill"
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BloodDrippn 2022-07-09 19:13:36Z
its essential because people built maps around it
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BloodDrippn
or make it a toggle or something
bluesky 2022-07-09 19:14:10Z
If you want weak hook just type /kill, If you want strong hook, your partner just types /kill
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BloodDrippn 2022-07-09 19:14:23Z
what about in middle of race?
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bluesky 2022-07-09 19:14:44Z
Would be kinda annoying if people switched between strong and weak (edited)
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BloodDrippn 2022-07-09 19:14:55Z
not really
19:15
how so exactly?
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BloodDrippn
how so exactly?
bluesky 2022-07-09 19:15:45Z
Rather ask, why do you wanna be able to toggle it mid race?
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BloodDrippn 2022-07-09 19:16:21Z
well some prefer psydo fly with weak hook as to speedfly with strong hook
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and not everyone knows how to do both
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and also blocking maps; creates an unfair advantage having strong hook but you can argue it makes it the fun of being the one that hasnt killed the longest
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but not only is it hooks that are effected its grenades and shotguns as well
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or add /spec to all maps (make it a client feature, instead of map feature)
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i think either of these changes would greatly make ddrace better
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BloodDrippn
they should bring back the animation; like hammering while going into freeze.. the little moment of ninja
Learath2 2022-07-09 19:20:25Z
this one I guess we could bring back as a gimmick, it didn't really have much value, it was just an animation bug
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BloodDrippn 2022-07-09 19:21:24Z
yeah its so nice having that little ninja "boost" i've been doing it for as long as i can remember 😩
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BloodDrippn
well some prefer psydo fly with weak hook as to speedfly with strong hook
bluesky 2022-07-09 19:23:31Z
Well i think for blocking maps it makes sense to have a general strength.
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BloodDrippn 2022-07-09 19:24:38Z
as for ddrace i understand where you're coming from but its only essential because strong/weak has been in the game since caveman ages
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so mappers took advantage and made it necessary
19:25
it might be too late to get rid of it completely. which you can do server sided so block is still saveable. but as for ddrace there should be a toggle or /spec atleast
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BloodDrippn
as for ddrace i understand where you're coming from but its only essential because strong/weak has been in the game since caveman ages
bluesky 2022-07-09 19:25:51Z
I mean you would kinda change an important part of the game and many people wouldnt like it. The other thing is that the implementation of the toggle can be kinda tricky based on how it works atm
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BloodDrippn 2022-07-09 19:26:44Z
i understand. i've had this argument plenty of times lol but its only my opinion on the matter
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bluesky 2022-07-09 19:27:16Z
You can open an Issue on Github and it can be marked as a discussion ^^
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https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues
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BloodDrippn 2022-07-09 19:27:34Z
meh we've already discussed this for years and the general population wants to keep it
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i wont bother but just wanted to state my opinion cuz im bored
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folks dont like change im afraid
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besides the issues count is too perfect lol ( sorry for spam everyone ) (edited)
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Ryozuki 2022-07-09 19:48:18Z
the bar being thinner is a rly good idea
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actually a 1 pixel line would be the best
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cauldron
with hammer it works
cauldron 2022-07-09 19:56:05Z
this one
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cauldron
this one
Voxel 2022-07-09 19:58:19Z
i love doing that in fng. it's like you're a comet (edited)
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cauldron 2022-07-09 19:59:17Z
yes, but i only figured this out yesterday or today. i think it's only when you use antiping
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and others don't see it 😦
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GitHub BOT 2022-07-09 20:47:42Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #5602 Use different key combination for layer picking in editor
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If I would develop that then my first move would be to assign that feature to middle mouse button aka mouse button 3. From what I see it allowes now to move the layers so it does the same as ctrl+drag screen with mouse button 1 (so we have 2 combinations of keys for one feature).
With this scenario we would still have moving layers like it always was (ctrl+mb1) and a handy feature (picking layer) at hand so at mb3 and we would get rid of that annoying picking layer...
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@Patiga ^ maybe also interesting for you
Patiga 2022-07-09 21:08:03Z
I sadly don't have a geometry shader afaik, only vertex and fragment
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louis 2022-07-09 21:09:07Z
remove weak hook
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maybe it just caches both files? well anyway patiga will know ^^
Patiga 2022-07-09 21:09:26Z
on build it embeds the shader as a string, it will only update on rebuild
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more important is, how much does to_srgb cost, @Patiga is it only run for the web edition?
Patiga 2022-07-09 21:11:22Z
my struct RgbaSurface abstracts the srgb out of the chosen textureformat. if the format is non-srgb, it renders directly. if it is a srgb format, it renders to a texture and then to the surface
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(and on web it currently only supports srgb formats)
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BloodDrippn
they should bring back the animation; like hammering while going into freeze.. the little moment of ninja
c0d3d3v 2022-07-09 21:25:41Z
We could also add an other usless dashing animation... But since you do not really dash... it is pretty useless
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cauldron
who actually added ninja animation to fng? is it server? it was not so before i think, when you were frozen in fng and pressed shoot, that the ninja animation played (without you moving). can others see it? (fng)
c0d3d3v 2022-07-09 21:28:09Z
I guess that is old, at least I think I have seen this years ago
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c0d3d3v
I guess that is old, at least I think I have seen this years ago
cauldron 2022-07-09 21:33:37Z
i think i never noticed it, cause i never had antiping enabled
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Max 2022-07-09 21:39:15Z
I have one question, will it be possible to switch the design of the Assets in the top left to the ones before again or do we have to use the new one? Cant you add the option to decide which of the 2 Designs we want
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heinrich5991
@Cøke please stop non-constructively saying bad things about other people's work (edited)
Cøke 2022-07-09 21:40:19Z
i said its useless for me, the icons are cool and i like voxels work
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cauldron
i think i never noticed it, cause i never had antiping enabled
c0d3d3v 2022-07-09 21:40:23Z
indeed interesting that it only works with antiping... probably prediction error, because of ninja. I guess it should not predict ninja but somehow it does it anyway
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cauldron 2022-07-09 21:41:05Z
i have no clue what you are talking about xd
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Max
I have one question, will it be possible to switch the design of the Assets in the top left to the ones before again or do we have to use the new one? Cant you add the option to decide which of the 2 Designs we want
Max 2022-07-09 21:41:46Z
I mean its helpfull for some players i understand that but i would appreciate if we could switch between both of those but if not im fine it with it too
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Max
I have one question, will it be possible to switch the design of the Assets in the top left to the ones before again or do we have to use the new one? Cant you add the option to decide which of the 2 Designs we want
c0d3d3v 2022-07-09 21:41:47Z
why would you want to have hearts and shields back? Is there one good reason?
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cauldron
i have no clue what you are talking about xd
c0d3d3v 2022-07-09 21:43:28Z
I wonder if you can also ninja dash in ddnet freeze without antiping
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or if it works there too also only with antiping (edited)
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cauldron 2022-07-09 21:43:54Z
without it never works i think
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just tried it, you just scream
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cauldron
just tried it, you just scream
c0d3d3v 2022-07-09 21:45:26Z
yes scream gets generated. But dash effect is probably wrong predicted, somehow the actiontick gets copied into the render information (edited)
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interesting
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Cøke
i said its useless for me, the icons are cool and i like voxels work
heinrich5991 2022-07-09 21:47:16Z
then say it's useless for you, not it's useless
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cauldron 2022-07-09 21:47:23Z
action tick? xd
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Skeith 2022-07-09 21:47:24Z
You didn't need antiping enabled to see the ninja's dash particles before, if I'm understanding this conversation correctly
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c0d3d3v
why would you want to have hearts and shields back? Is there one good reason?
Max 2022-07-09 21:47:42Z
well many players got used to those shields and liked them more what i heared from friends we understand that the new interface is helpful for some players but some players prefere the old interface too so i just wanted to ask if you could add both but if not its fine too (edited)
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cauldron
just tried it, you just scream
c0d3d3v 2022-07-09 21:48:03Z
btw you have to use old client for testing xD new client has no ninja animation
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Ravie 2022-07-09 21:48:08Z
I made the bar intentionally a little bit clunky to match the rest of tw ui, might try making a more minimalistic hud skin one day
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Skeith
You didn't need antiping enabled to see the ninja's dash particles before, if I'm understanding this conversation correctly
cauldron 2022-07-09 21:48:31Z
this is my case: i only see dash on fng server with antiping enabled with hammer weapon selected when i press fire button
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c0d3d3v
btw you have to use old client for testing xD new client has no ninja animation
cauldron 2022-07-09 21:49:14Z
hmm, i pull latest changes
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cauldron
action tick? xd
c0d3d3v 2022-07-09 21:49:34Z
action tick (correctly attacktick) is the tick in that you started your attack, so you started your dash attack. But in freeze you should not be allowed to attack.
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cauldron
hmm, i pull latest changes
c0d3d3v 2022-07-09 21:49:55Z
you could use 16.1 or older for testing...
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Ravie
I made the bar intentionally a little bit clunky to match the rest of tw ui, might try making a more minimalistic hud skin one day
Voxel 2022-07-09 21:50:48Z
i still have my minimalistic hud skin
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c0d3d3v
btw you have to use old client for testing xD new client has no ninja animation
cauldron 2022-07-09 21:51:48Z
what do you mean "for testing"? i am just playing.
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c0d3d3v
I wonder if you can also ninja dash in ddnet freeze without antiping
Skeith 2022-07-09 21:51:56Z
If this question is can you do it before these changes without antiping, then yes.
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Voxel
i still have my minimalistic hud skin
Ravie 2022-07-09 21:52:06Z
I mean normal minimalistic, not scifi looking
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Voxel 2022-07-09 21:52:57Z
i wouldn't consider my hud skin sci fi but i get that
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cauldron 2022-07-09 21:53:02Z
ahh, i get what you mean, so on old clients, it could be that dash also works on non fng servers? because i think latest ddnet client still does ninja dash animation in fng
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but it's removed in the new hud change?
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Voxel
i wouldn't consider my hud skin sci fi but i get that
Ravie 2022-07-09 21:53:39Z
looks a bit scifi to me but it's cool
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c0d3d3v
you could use 16.1 or older for testing...
cauldron 2022-07-09 21:54:48Z
im on latest master and dash works in fng
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Ravie 2022-07-09 21:55:02Z
but also I'd like to try thin bars and other stuff that I don't think would fit as default
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Max
well many players got used to those shields and liked them more what i heared from friends we understand that the new interface is helpful for some players but some players prefere the old interface too so i just wanted to ask if you could add both but if not its fine too (edited)
c0d3d3v 2022-07-09 21:55:27Z
I guess most people are not angry about the missing shields and hearts Display. But about the new freeze animation. They say they want the old HUD back but they mean they want the old freeze animation back. and the "counter using shields" ... We will first concentrate in improving these things before adding an option for old stuff (e.g. allow to show stars instead of freezebar). i don't even want to think about building an option for it for now. There should simply be a good solution that you can be happy with. (edited)
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Ravie 2022-07-09 21:56:28Z
it would be cool if these people would say exactly what they don't like and not just ask how to get the old one
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fokkonaut 2022-07-09 21:56:41Z
We did that a lot of times.
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I guess most people are not angry about the missing shields and hearts Display. But about the new freeze animation. They say they want the old HUD back but they mean they want the old freeze animation back. and the "counter using shields" ... We will first concentrate in improving these things before adding an option for old stuff (e.g. allow to show stars instead of freezebar). i don't even want to think about building an option for it for now. There should simply be a good solution that you can be happy with. (edited)
Max 2022-07-09 21:57:12Z
Okay i understand that but is it possible to lower the Ice Particles atm cause it feels like there a little to much ice particles falling from the Tees
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Skeith 2022-07-09 21:57:47Z
I don't like how bright the freezebar is, and how it sticks to the tee. I can tolerate it sticking to the tee if it was smaller and transparent. Transparency slider is a must outside of freeze as well
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Max
Okay i understand that but is it possible to lower the Ice Particles atm cause it feels like there a little to much ice particles falling from the Tees
c0d3d3v 2022-07-09 21:57:49Z
I guess you mean they cover the face to much?
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fokkonaut 2022-07-09 21:58:16Z
sometimes you cant see, if a player is spectating or not, due to too many particles, yes
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Skeith
I don't like how bright the freezebar is, and how it sticks to the tee. I can tolerate it sticking to the tee if it was smaller and transparent. Transparency slider is a must outside of freeze as well
Ravie 2022-07-09 21:58:17Z
you can edit hud.png to get that
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Skeith
I don't like how bright the freezebar is, and how it sticks to the tee. I can tolerate it sticking to the tee if it was smaller and transparent. Transparency slider is a must outside of freeze as well
c0d3d3v 2022-07-09 21:58:18Z
is already in work, nearly merged
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fokkonaut 2022-07-09 21:58:19Z
in fast gameplay
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Ravie
you can edit hud.png to get that
Skeith 2022-07-09 21:58:24Z
already did
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Ravie 2022-07-09 21:58:34Z
then why complain about it
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 21:58:50Z
what skeith says is still useful feedback
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Skeith 2022-07-09 21:58:52Z
Because new players can be affected by it too, people that won't change such things
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or wont think to do so
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 21:58:59Z
so we can improve the general case
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Max 2022-07-09 21:59:03Z
Well not that its just that there are like constantly 4-5 ice particles on the Tee falling from it down i mean like make the cooldown for ice particles to fall down or do 2-3 ice particles on the Tee instead of 5
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if u understand what i mean
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sometimes you cant see, if a player is spectating or not, due to too many particles, yes
c0d3d3v 2022-07-09 21:59:11Z
yes, we should defnitly work on that, I think too that the face should be more clearly viewable if you sit in freeze
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Max
Well not that its just that there are like constantly 4-5 ice particles on the Tee falling from it down i mean like make the cooldown for ice particles to fall down or do 2-3 ice particles on the Tee instead of 5
c0d3d3v 2022-07-09 22:00:53Z
before there where 100 ninja sword particles falling down on the side of you 😄 but they disappeared much faster
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I guess we have to experiment a little more with the effects to come up with a better one
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I also agree that the freezebar could be thinner... because it is not really that impotent, to be so thick
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c0d3d3v
before there where 100 ninja sword particles falling down on the side of you 😄 but they disappeared much faster
Max 2022-07-09 22:03:06Z
well that might be true
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c0d3d3v
I guess we have to experiment a little more with the effects to come up with a better one
Max 2022-07-09 22:03:44Z
sry if i sounded agressiv or anything 😅 Ty for the help ill just let you experiment for now youll figure something out
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Max
sry if i sounded agressiv or anything 😅 Ty for the help ill just let you experiment for now youll figure something out
c0d3d3v 2022-07-09 22:04:09Z
was good feedback, thank you 🙂
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Max 2022-07-09 22:04:41Z
ok Ty for cooperation
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Ravie 2022-07-09 22:08:21Z
@Skeith do you use really dark entities or something btw?
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Skeith 2022-07-09 22:08:44Z
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ya basically
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Ravie 2022-07-09 22:09:05Z
ah I see how you could say the bar is bright
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does the vanilla hud not look too bright? I think the white outline is the bright part but that's just the tw hud style (edited)
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Skeith 2022-07-09 22:12:20Z
which elements? like the time etc? Not following
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Ravie 2022-07-09 22:12:27Z
hearts and shields
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same style
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Skeith 2022-07-09 22:12:34Z
I had them disabled
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also edited
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I guess my only real gripe is the lack of option to make it more transparent, which is already being resolved. The size of it should probably be reduced as well tho
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Ravie 2022-07-09 22:15:43Z
it's already smaller than the stars were btw
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Skeith 2022-07-09 22:15:55Z
Ya, but the stars didn't follow you
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Ravie 2022-07-09 22:16:00Z
and default game.png stars are incredibly bright too xd
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Skeith 2022-07-09 22:16:16Z
And I ofc had those edited 😅
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Ravie 2022-07-09 22:16:28Z
they don't follow you but they move around a lot and spin
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Skeith 2022-07-09 22:17:24Z
So ya, realistically my only gripe is the lack of setting to make it transparent, having to manually edit the transparency myself Again, already being added so feelsamazingman (edited)
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Ravie 2022-07-09 22:18:28Z
well it's easy enough to edit and share
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you don't get a setting for transparency on any other hud element so I don't see why this should have one
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c0d3d3v 2022-07-09 22:20:02Z
Btw... we had a talk lately about energy savings xD we could introduce a dark mode someday... with dark entities and dark game.png/hud.png ... (not really for energy saving, but I guess dark mode gets more and more popular in the internet...) (edited)
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Skeith 2022-07-09 22:20:13Z
Cause it's more important I guess, it's directly in your face
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Ravie 2022-07-09 22:20:34Z
it's less in your face than the stars which also didn't have one
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Btw... we had a talk lately about energy savings xD we could introduce a dark mode someday... with dark entities and dark game.png/hud.png ... (not really for energy saving, but I guess dark mode gets more and more popular in the internet...) (edited)
deen 2022-07-09 22:21:17Z
oled is barely used for computer monitors
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Skeith 2022-07-09 22:21:41Z
We're in talks of improving the overall feel of the game, these settings would've been nice for both sides
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I just never really thought about it until now, should be expected that changes make people think about it more
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Ravie 2022-07-09 22:23:28Z
@deen does it not save a negligible amount of power to have pixels emitting less light?
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deen 2022-07-09 22:23:37Z
on LCD no
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and backlit LED with LCD same
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c0d3d3v 2022-07-09 22:24:14Z
I think because it is a HUD directly on the Tee it is ok to make it transperent, like in other games you also have HUDs on player that have not full opacity, so you do not fall out of the world (edited)
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deen 2022-07-09 22:24:21Z
only saves with OLED, MicroLED, or local dimming
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c0d3d3v
I think because it is a HUD directly on the Tee it is ok to make it transperent, like in other games you also have HUDs on player that have not full opacity, so you do not fall out of the world (edited)
Ravie 2022-07-09 22:26:31Z
nameplates
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they are big and white and follow
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c0d3d3v 2022-07-09 22:27:04Z
true
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but in other games I already saw them transparent
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like we do for other teams
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Skeith 2022-07-09 22:27:26Z
It's probably a good thing this all happened, it's like a fresh new look at how things affect your gameplay, ironing it out and making it feel as comfortable as possible for everyone, even if the feedback is a bit biased because sudden change is weird. The freezebar does have more information, so that's cool.
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Ravie 2022-07-09 22:28:57Z
you'll never please everyone
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c0d3d3v 2022-07-09 22:29:31Z
But I guess text in general is easier to read with full opacity
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Skeith 2022-07-09 22:30:12Z
Sure, but pleasing a majority is ideal. Can get to that point by listening to some biased points
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Ravie 2022-07-09 22:30:29Z
I think all things considered there's nothing to complain about on the bar that isn't already a "problem" on some other hud element
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c0d3d3v 2022-07-09 22:31:01Z
Lol I searched for some example game screenshots and found this https://i.imgur.com/ETpnGTz.png?1 as one result xDD I did not even know 0.7 has a speed meter too
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deen 2022-07-09 22:31:25Z
That looks like a modification called Teecomp
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c0d3d3v 2022-07-09 22:31:27Z
the website it was linked https://www.teeworlds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=12918
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That looks like a modification called Teecomp
c0d3d3v 2022-07-09 22:32:13Z
I see xD, interesting (edited)
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louis 2022-07-09 22:33:24Z
i think transparency options for things you can alr edit transparency will get a bit confusing
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Ravie 2022-07-09 22:34:04Z
also more for people who try making a skin for it to worry about
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Skeith 2022-07-09 22:37:04Z
I don't see how allowing the user to adjust transparency would be worse for the artist?
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I don't see how allowing the user to adjust transparency would be worse for the artist?
c0d3d3v 2022-07-09 22:37:33Z
because they are perfectionists too 😄 and want that it looks good in any settings xD
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Ravie 2022-07-09 22:37:53Z
then you have to design a bar that will also look good with transparency, or don't care that it will be ugly as heck for people with certain configs
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it's like with skin coloring
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Skeith 2022-07-09 22:39:57Z
I guess
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GitHub BOT 2022-07-09 22:40:17Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #5598 Fix the HUD bug I intoduced with #5592
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Skeith 2022-07-09 22:42:27Z
I don't know enough about art to argue this point, and it's extremely subjective. 😅
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I think it's just an important setting for the user, and caring about the user is more important
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louis 2022-07-09 22:44:18Z
well i just think two ways to edit transparency is redundant, transparency for hud etc is fine but for gameskins it doesbt make sense
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Skeith 2022-07-09 22:44:48Z
the freezebar feels like a HUD element
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louis 2022-07-09 22:45:20Z
but stars don't?
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Skeith 2022-07-09 22:45:30Z
Read everything I said above
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louis 2022-07-09 22:45:40Z
ok sec
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wait theres too much text nvm
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Skeith
We're in talks of improving the overall feel of the game, these settings would've been nice for both sides
Skeith 2022-07-09 22:46:13Z
this basically
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louis 2022-07-09 22:46:54Z
zhould remove weak too 👀
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c0d3d3v 2022-07-09 22:47:32Z
Oxygen Not Included is also a 2D platformed that uses "bars" under specific game elements, basically everything that can get damage I think they do not use transparency on the bars, but on pickup notifications xD That could actually also be a way how we could handle our powerups. by text that fades upwards and gets transparent, or symbols (issue for that: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/5510)
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louis 2022-07-09 22:48:10Z
a transparent text snd bit of particles on powerups would be very good
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only downside is the text spam when u go thru a badly mapped part wity many powerup spam but dont tbink it should matter
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Ravie 2022-07-09 22:49:04Z
generally bars show important information and are never transparent, health, progress and such
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Skeith
this basically
louis 2022-07-09 22:49:15Z
i agree, but by the time someone is in situations where transparency of a freezebar might matter, they should already know a bit about the game and how to edit textures
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or in other words it doesnt have a big of an effect on noobs
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Skeith 2022-07-09 22:49:46Z
It's just a massive QoL for the user
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louis 2022-07-09 22:49:46Z
and only some decent ish players who are trying to "optimize" every setup of their game
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Skeith 2022-07-09 22:49:47Z
so it's worth
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louis 2022-07-09 22:50:45Z
yes but not good for devs nor artists, imo there are more important things to work on
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Ravie 2022-07-09 22:50:51Z
if the look of the default bar bothers you then you have an incentive to edit it or find another skin
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louis 2022-07-09 22:51:00Z
i dont think the benefit to work is worth
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Skeith 2022-07-09 22:52:01Z
You're already having backlash against the change, I think it's very much worth the effort
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Ravie 2022-07-09 22:52:38Z
I don't think alpha would help much with backlash
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Skeith 2022-07-09 22:53:05Z
Well, the point is trying to find a middle ground to where people prefer it / can live with it
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The goal is to not completely revert back to the previous method
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Ravie 2022-07-09 22:53:17Z
I haven't really seen any other complains about the appearance of the bar itself, just the fact that it exists
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Skeith 2022-07-09 22:54:25Z
Making your loyal fanbase happy is important 😅
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Tater 2022-07-09 22:55:23Z
maybe we can make the freeze bar flash brighter at the period when stars would normally shoot to imitate previous behavior
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just an idea
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Skeith
Making your loyal fanbase happy is important 😅
Ravie 2022-07-09 22:55:40Z
if you want it happy then you need to just not change anything
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Skeith 2022-07-09 22:55:57Z
Well, that's also not a good thing
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It's valuable to make changes to improve / keep things fresh
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Ravie 2022-07-09 22:56:50Z
yes
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Skeith 2022-07-09 22:57:13Z
Freezebars can improve, it just needs some polishing
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The improvement is that it gives you more accurate information
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Ravie 2022-07-09 22:58:09Z
I honestly don't see what could be improved on the bar itself, only the freeze animation
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louis 2022-07-09 22:58:22Z
make small tick marks each sec
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Ravie 2022-07-09 22:58:50Z
when do you ever need to know how many seconds are left xD
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Voxel 2022-07-09 22:58:54Z
255 second freezes be like
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Ravie 2022-07-09 22:58:56Z
you only care about when you unfreeze
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Voxel
255 second freezes be like
Ravie 2022-07-09 22:59:34Z
lol black bar
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Ravie
when do you ever need to know how many seconds are left xD
louis 2022-07-09 23:01:01Z
for skips
23:01
or speedrun optimizing
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Ravie 2022-07-09 23:02:18Z
how would you use it?
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Voxel 2022-07-09 23:03:09Z
ah yes this tee needs to be 2 seconds until unfreeze for us to pass through this part optimally
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louis 2022-07-09 23:03:56Z
freeze resets every second basically so u can get someone outside of freeze right before it resets to get a 2 second freeze time (after exiting freeze)
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Tater 2022-07-09 23:04:14Z
is that true?
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louis 2022-07-09 23:04:21Z
ofc
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Tater
is that true?
Voxel 2022-07-09 23:04:26Z
yea it is
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Ravie 2022-07-09 23:04:28Z
you can just see how much of the bar is left
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louis 2022-07-09 23:04:37Z
u cant calc 2/3 tho
23:04
i mean its functionally same as stars in that aspect rn since it jumps to full every second iirc
23:05
but tick marks would make it better over stars
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louis
u cant calc 2/3 tho
Ravie 2022-07-09 23:05:23Z
u can just see there's 2/3 of the bar left
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louis 2022-07-09 23:05:31Z
hard to
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in the moment
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Ravie 2022-07-09 23:05:40Z
how so
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louis 2022-07-09 23:05:51Z
how do u see exactly 2/3 lol
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Ravie 2022-07-09 23:05:55Z
easy enough to tell things like 1/2 or 2/3
23:05
by eye
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louis 2022-07-09 23:06:02Z
its not a genetic benefit that humans can find exactly 2/3 of a bar
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Ravie 2022-07-09 23:06:25Z
well it adds a new layer of skill to the game justatest
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louis 2022-07-09 23:06:44Z
im not saying it would be a huge improvement over eyeing it, just saying itd be an improvenent over the stars for speedrubnera probably
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Ravie 2022-07-09 23:07:15Z
you don't even need to know exactly 2/3 or so
23:07
you'll just see if there is more or less left than you want
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Ravie
you'll just see if there is more or less left than you want
louis 2022-07-09 23:10:12Z
not
23:10
well u dont even speedrun neither do i really so should ask someone who does
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Tater 2022-07-09 23:10:54Z
can't you just edit freezebar texture to add ticks?
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Ravie 2022-07-09 23:11:01Z
actually I think stars don't show you the freeze cycle at all
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Tater
can't you just edit freezebar texture to add ticks?
Ravie 2022-07-09 23:11:39Z
the middle part is 1 long quad so no
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Tater 2022-07-09 23:11:45Z
oh
23:11
yeah I guess it's animated
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Ravie
actually I think stars don't show you the freeze cycle at all
louis 2022-07-09 23:12:36Z
i think they emanate every freeze reset
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Ravie 2022-07-09 23:12:55Z
yeah but when you leave freeze it's always 2 I think?
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louis 2022-07-09 23:13:37Z
huh
23:13
u have ti leave freeze between 3 stars and 2 stars to not reset
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Ravie 2022-07-09 23:14:13Z
after you leave freeze u never get 3 ticks
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louis 2022-07-09 23:14:35Z
if u leave at "2.5" stars youll have 2.5 sec of freeze but if u leave at 2.98 or 2.02 youll essentially get 3 or 2 second
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Ravie 2022-07-09 23:15:07Z
yeah but in both cases you get 2 more ticks
23:15
it's just about where exactly you are between 2 and 3
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louis 2022-07-09 23:16:19Z
yea
23:16
i mean u still have to guesstimate the 1 second for stars
23:16
but atm its the same with the bar
23:16
i was saying the tickmarks would be a technical improvement
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Ravie 2022-07-09 23:17:33Z
you can essentially imagine the tickmarks after a while tho
23:17
and to less technical players this would be useless so just bloat
23:18
so it's still more precise than stars how it is now
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jao's hairy kebab 2022-07-09 23:19:24Z
bar look cooler but skin when
23:19
easy to skin stars
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louis 2022-07-09 23:19:33Z
forgor how big it was but 1 or 2 pixel from top and bottom of bar shoukdnt be too bad
23:19
wait yea how is the bar graphic generated
23:20
would be a lot nicer if it was just 2 overlays, one for border and one for the fluid rendered under
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Ravie 2022-07-09 23:20:19Z
there are 2 end caps and the middle part is stretched
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louis 2022-07-09 23:20:27Z
right now it seems hack for no reason
23:20
hacky*
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Ravie 2022-07-09 23:21:02Z
0.7 does it like that as well but the end caps just disappear fully xD
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Skeith
I don't like how bright the freezebar is, and how it sticks to the tee. I can tolerate it sticking to the tee if it was smaller and transparent. Transparency slider is a must outside of freeze as well
Learath2 2022-07-09 23:21:27Z
#5558 already got the transparency thing done, it should get in soon
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DDNet BOT 2022-07-09 23:21:28Z
https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5558
Allow changing opacity of freeze bars by Learath2 · Pull Request #5...
A couple players mentioned a lower opacity freeze bar is better for them. This allows that without introducing an extra option but rather repurposing the old ones. It adds a magic coefficient of .7...
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Ravie
0.7 does it like that as well but the end caps just disappear fully xD
louis 2022-07-09 23:22:42Z
why copy 0.7 tho :<
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https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5558
louis 2022-07-09 23:23:09Z
and great now add opacity for every weapon and hud element lmao
23:23
now that ur at it
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louis
i was saying the tickmarks would be a technical improvement
Learath2 2022-07-09 23:24:16Z
I'm also looking for a nice way to add that for the people that want even more details
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jao's hairy kebab 2022-07-09 23:24:25Z
add opacity for louis
23:24
so i can remove louis
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Ravie 2022-07-09 23:24:40Z
I demand opacity setting for nameplates and strong/weak and direction arrows
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Learath2
I'm also looking for a nice way to add that for the people that want even more details
louis 2022-07-09 23:24:57Z
i think uhh
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louis
would be a lot nicer if it was just 2 overlays, one for border and one for the fluid rendered under
louis 2022-07-09 23:25:02Z
this
23:25
would make everything w lot easier
23:25
for everyone
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Learath2 2022-07-09 23:25:17Z
fluid
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?
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louis 2022-07-09 23:25:24Z
blue stuff
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Ravie
I demand opacity setting for nameplates and strong/weak and direction arrows
jao's hairy kebab 2022-07-09 23:25:26Z
just edit image
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louis 2022-07-09 23:25:37Z
should be easier in code, easier for artists to make custom ones
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jao's hairy kebab
just edit image
Ravie 2022-07-09 23:25:40Z
poggers
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Ravie
I demand opacity setting for nameplates and strong/weak and direction arrows
heinrich5991 2022-07-09 23:25:43Z
everything except nameplates can be edited in the assets
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Ravie 2022-07-09 23:25:54Z
so can the freeze bar
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jao's hairy kebab 2022-07-09 23:26:17Z
i canr beleieve this guy is the skin leafer anf he dont know edit imagr
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Ravie
I demand opacity setting for nameplates and strong/weak and direction arrows
Learath2 2022-07-09 23:27:29Z
sorry, you don't have an angry mob of people behind your demand
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Skeith 2022-07-09 23:27:34Z
The freeze bar should have different treatment I think, it's more important, and there are already customization options for the elements you mentioned.
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louis 2022-07-09 23:28:02Z
would be a lot nicer if it was just 2 overlays, one for border and one for the fluid rendered under
23:28
if we are changing features is this possible
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Learath2
sorry, you don't have an angry mob of people behind your demand
Ravie 2022-07-09 23:28:09Z
😠
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louis 2022-07-09 23:28:20Z
i mean i need someone to back me up on that
23:28
i think for sure it will be much better for asset creators
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Skeith 2022-07-09 23:29:01Z
Transparent nametags would be cool tho.
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louis 2022-07-09 23:29:24Z
and in code all u habe to do is like renderTop() renderBottom() [ render less every tick or smth idk ]
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Learath2 2022-07-09 23:30:20Z
hm, how is it easier?
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louis 2022-07-09 23:30:33Z
for the current one dont you have to grab a small quad and stretch it out
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then render 2 caps
23:30
with an overlay and the fluid bottom, its a lot simpler
23:30
and a lot easier for gfx designers
23:31
with the current way it doesnt seem possivle to customize the middle of the freezebar
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Learath2 2022-07-09 23:31:20Z
Oh, yep that is indeed not possible
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louis 2022-07-09 23:31:21Z
additionally, with the overlap method, you can make tickmarks in your asset manually for anyone who wants it
23:31
just add ticks to the top image with an image editor
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Learath2 2022-07-09 23:31:56Z
You can't make tickmarks like that, freeze time is not constant
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louis 2022-07-09 23:32:07Z
oh true
23:32
hm
23:32
i guess 99% its 3 seconds but for some maps i guess not
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Skeith 2022-07-09 23:32:37Z
Aight, I have a plan... We remake ddrace...
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louis 2022-07-09 23:32:44Z
also if you have auto rendered ticks you might have a completely white bar on that awayza map lmao
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Ravie 2022-07-09 23:33:13Z
yes ticks bad idea
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Learath2 2022-07-09 23:33:28Z
we must appease the old guard, old guard wants ticks
23:33
if we get the pro players to defect to our faction we can get even more changes in
23:34
Taking a page out of Neville Chamberlain's book
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Ravie 2022-07-09 23:35:11Z
ticks won't work with ridiculous freeze times and also they'll be a nightmare for customizing the bar
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louis 2022-07-09 23:35:17Z
i think oldheads would only need 3sec ticks so you should adopt the louis method 🥺 🥺
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Ravie 2022-07-09 23:36:04Z
(I imagine the ddnet way would be to hard-code the ticks as quads and not an asset that you can edit)
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Learath2 2022-07-09 23:36:13Z
I'll let @c0d3d3v think about that one, I don't think he'd want to mess with the rendering
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(I imagine the ddnet way would be to hard-code the ticks as quads and not an asset that you can edit)
Learath2 2022-07-09 23:36:51Z
I was imagining subtle red/white couple px thick lines
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Ravie 2022-07-09 23:37:22Z
if this is actually gonna be a thing then please use something from the image where the height of it can be matched to the bar
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GitHub BOT 2022-07-09 23:37:38Z
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Learath2 2022-07-09 23:38:00Z
Oh yeah the height of the bar isn't constant
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louis 2022-07-09 23:38:11Z
huh
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Ravie 2022-07-09 23:38:14Z
ye also please no red xD
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Learath2 2022-07-09 23:38:19Z
Okay, new plan, no ticks, so very annoying
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Ravie 2022-07-09 23:38:28Z
:>
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louis 2022-07-09 23:38:31Z
yeah i wouldnt auto render ticks
23:38
just make it easy to add in custom gameskins
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Learath2 2022-07-09 23:39:30Z
You should talk to @c0d3d3v when he is here, I'm not messing around with the way they ended up rendering the bar
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Skeith 2022-07-09 23:39:41Z
The risk of lyme disease isn't worth it anyways troll
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Ravie 2022-07-09 23:39:44Z
I think eventually some pro player will come out with a skin for it that everyone will use because it makes edgehooks easier and everyone stops crying at the default one
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Skeith 2022-07-09 23:40:23Z
I'll see myself out
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louis 2022-07-09 23:41:06Z
excuse the poor drawing cus im on a phone but like
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customizing it to stuff like that would be dope
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wtf
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Learath2 2022-07-09 23:41:48Z
Yeah I guess that's not possible the way it's done right now
23:42
The advantage of this current way is that it takes very little space in the hud.png
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Ravie 2022-07-09 23:42:51Z
I guess the bars could be something like this if there is enough demand for editing it
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23:43
then it can be asymmetric and stuff
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Learath2 2022-07-09 23:43:31Z
One issue is these things aren't stretchable
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louis 2022-07-09 23:43:33Z
wait i forgor what's the current one look like
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ingame
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Ravie 2022-07-09 23:43:41Z
for now we went with the way that was easier to code
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Voxel 2022-07-09 23:43:56Z
Image attachment
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louis 2022-07-09 23:43:58Z
the current seems harder to code xd
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Learath2 2022-07-09 23:44:03Z
The current bars can be stretched forever, but if it's asymmetric in the x direction it just can't be stretched at all
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Voxel
Click to see attachment 🖼️
louis 2022-07-09 23:44:09Z
wait how is it 2 colors?
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louis
the current seems harder to code xd
Ravie 2022-07-09 23:44:16Z
separate middle sections is more complex
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Skeith 2022-07-09 23:44:21Z
ninja timer
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Ravie 2022-07-09 23:44:27Z
the current way, the middle quad can just get squashed over time
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Ravie
separate middle sections is more complex
louis 2022-07-09 23:44:28Z
doesnt require cutting and stretching tho
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Voxel 2022-07-09 23:45:02Z
i thought it had to do with masking
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Ravie 2022-07-09 23:46:28Z
not sure if it uses clipping or anything like that
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it may just be clever maths to make the quad narrower while the texture stays in place
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I think clipping would be specific to each renderer
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Voxel 2022-07-09 23:49:07Z
how are the ends treated then?
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Learath2 2022-07-09 23:49:25Z
https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/src/game/client/components/freezebars.cpp It's not a horribly long piece of code if you want to take a look
ddnet/freezebars.cpp at master · ddnet/ddnet
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heinrich5991 2022-07-09 23:50:52Z
permalink: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/444603faf63df2e3dec5ff20a469ab8565d02028/src/game/client/components/freezebars.cpp
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Learath2 2022-07-09 23:52:00Z
I'm not a huge fan of how it looks like, but it is readable 😛
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Learath2 2022-07-09 23:59:49Z
https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/blob/26d24ec061d44e6084b2d77a9b8a0a48e354eba6/src/game/client/components/hud.cpp#L641 0.7 one is much more concise, atleast imo
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