DDraceNetwork - general

someone wanna vc and play?

sorry im working

np

Blade

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ahhh i noticed loius in a top3 usa and checked the points assuming it had like 20

04:55

but it had 5k xD

Blade

literally left me at the end of a 4* ddmax map lmao

ahahahah what a legend

Does someone has a link to test maps archive?

https://ddnet.tw/testlogs/

08:01

Psychohonda when @RonIn

Kicker

Psychohonda when @RonIn

After the jeoparadize gigachad

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this freeze bar is so

10:40

and no weapon in freeze is also

10:40

hud is good tho.

I like the freeze bar. To each their own

its ugly that its static to the player, and not to the world like the stars

10:40

i really wish i get them back, otherwise i gotta make a feature on my server to get the old stuff back xd

10:40

but

10:41

i wanna play ddrace here and there :(

10:41

and the worst thing is, that its now different depending on which server u play on

10:41

kog for example will never update

10:41

or other servers

10:41

old mods

10:41

idk

fokkonaut

its ugly that its static to the player, and not to the world like the stars

How on earth is the stars randomly trailing you when you fall a desirable feature? :D

huh?

I really like the snowflakes but wouldn't it be possible to display the freeze dots in freeze ?

10:43

They are necessary sometimes for perfect unfreeze timing

its so unteeish and unpleasing for me

10:44

:(

10:44

i should make a pr

Pipou

I really like the snowflakes but wouldn't it be possible to display the freeze dots in freeze ?

Like the old stars? I guess it is possible

please

Maybe as an option? or another way to display it maybe

fokkonaut

i should make a pr

Don't waste your time if you intend to revert or add some serverside option to turn on stars

clientside

10:45

we have extended net messages

10:45

which can be used, just like showothers

You could make it a freeze bar, cut in parts where the number of parts is equal to the freeze delay

Pipou

Maybe as an option? or another way to display it maybe

I was thinking of making this as a compromise for old players that just hate everything new. Clientside freeze particles that behave like the old stars

its not that we just hate everything new, thats mean

10:47

i even said i like the hud. its just about this very specific thing which i have to see every minute of playing

10:47

the missing stars (or smth equal, same behaving)

10:47

and the very unfitting freeze bar (for me)

I actually love the hud and freeze bar, just pointing out some situations where it can be a problem

(edited)

why wouldnt you add an option for freeze bar alpha OUTSIDE freeze, lol

10:50

im so sad actually about this whole thing, even other people said they dont like all of this, why do you not listen to the community. its kinda egoistic to say nah we dont hear you lets just get it in like this for this version

10:50

:/

10:51

also whats so bad about having an option, for a thing which is very important to many players, and which is like visible 99% of the whole play time

10:51

instead we have options for stuff that is so unnecessary

10:53

and no, i dont want to create my own client which always sends client version < 16020 just to get the stars on ddnet server etc. i want to update my client regularly

fokkonaut

im so sad actually about this whole thing, even other people said they dont like all of this, why do you not listen to the community. its kinda egoistic to say nah we dont hear you lets just get it in like this for this version

It's so sad to hear a handful of people think their opinion represents the entire community. We try to not add more options because it becomes unmaintainable. A lot of the unnecessary options you mention are half a decade old and mostly broken, hence unmaintainable.

It's so sad to hear a handful of people think their opinion represents the entire community.

where did i say that? did you read disocrd + github? people actually agree to me. Sad from you

10:56

We try to not add more options because it becomes unmaintainable. A lot of the unnecessary options you mention are half a decade old and mostly broken, hence unmaintainable.

Then why dont remove them and add important options, like this one?!

fokkonaut

It's so sad to hear a handful of people think their opinion represents the entire community.

where did i say that? did you read disocrd + github? people actually agree to me. Sad from you

Yes, a handful of people

i didnt say i represent the community

fokkonaut

We try to not add more options because it becomes unmaintainable. A lot of the unnecessary options you mention are half a decade old and mostly broken, hence unmaintainable.

Then why dont remove them and add important options, like this one?!

Robyt and Chairn did remove a couple and we remove more as we find

I said you have to listen to the community, in terms of actually listening to the opinions of everyone. And not simply ignore them (especially in cases like this, with BIG changes)

10:58

We did votes in the past, and why not for this? or at least votes for an option

10:58

More than half of the community didnt know this will come

10 people is not the community. We have more than 1k players, please try to have some perspective

No you

10:58

you should have made a vote to get a perspective

10:59

if you dont ask people, and wait for them to open github and find out theirselves, then of course only 10 people say something against it

And if we did have a vote and people preferred a bar you'd still be incessently nagging us about adding stars. Nothing changes either way

That doesnt change anything in your arguemtns

Freezebar sucks but well

Anyway, enough of this righteous crusade for the people. I'll make something for the people addicted to mainlining nostalgia

Stuff around tee should be clear and not obstructive

its not nostalgia the idea of the stars was just simply better

Yea didnt update yet but there is a bar under the tee now or what?

thanks

11:01

omg

Every time we end up having to make some backwards bs that 5 people end up actually using going unmaintained and broken within a year

5?

11:01

you see anyone agreeing with you here?

11:01

go, make a vote

11:01

please

11:02

i just want you to see that at least the half of the players are in favour of the old thing

This not about being against change, its about this specific way of changing it being bad

yes

11:03

thanks

11:03

@Learath2 what i wanted to say: i dont just want to keep on my opinion, its really that you just dont want to see that players are actually against it

This discord is just old players, the game is supposed to be intuitive and pleasing for everyone. Not just people that have been playing for a decade

This discord is just old players

Lol, then you are scared because you know that this is actually true, that half of the community doesnt like this

11:04

it doesnt matter how old a player is

11:04

like, how long he plays

11:04

it displays that this game is played by people who know it for long

I mean its probably better that old and experienced players help decide on these topics because its gameplay after all

so it is indeed half of the community i represent, if you say it like that

fokkonaut

so it is indeed half of the community i represent, if you say it like that

( @Learath2 )

11:07

why dont we just do the stars clientside, with the info we get for the bar. Easy fix. Old servers will keep them serverside

I'll make something for you, enough of this discussion. You can go celebrate with your friends about how you made big bad devs fold and rescued the players from the horrible unteeish change.

Freezebars are good and bad, it's definitely easier to understand for new players, and you can definitely time things better. But it definitely is a bit distracting. Remove the option for displaying freezebar in freeze, it's useless. Change it to opacity outside of freeze.

and as they dont have the extended info sent, its no problem after all

I like the hud but dont like freezebar and no weapon in freeze too

Learath2

I'll make something for you, enough of this discussion. You can go celebrate with your friends about how you made big bad devs fold and rescued the players from the horrible unteeish change.

Why are you being toxic now?

11:07

Thats not my intention, lol

You are always toxic, you don't get to call me out on that (edited)

im not toxic

11:08

i just want you to understand actually

11:08

which was not possible, bcs u only argued against

11:08

with nonsense

I'm not toxic -> Your arguments are nonsense. Yeah I see

please just read the whole convo again

You are definitly riling on the old ppl excuse to not accept critisism

the new hud is good but freeze bar is bs. it's what it is and how it is nonsense i don't understand...

@Learath2 show me how many people in this convo actually liked the freeze bar. I didnt mean to be toxic or anything, but you really just didnt want to see the truth

11:10

sorry

11:10

i can 100% understand that new players probably prefer this

11:10

100%

11:10

np

11:11

that doesnt mean its actually better

fokkonaut

@Learath2 show me how many people in this convo actually liked the freeze bar. I didnt mean to be toxic or anything, but you really just didnt want to see the truth

This is like classic confirmation bias. People that hate it obviously are more vocal

THEN WHY DONT YOU MAKE A VOTE

11:11

LMAO

11:11

ah

11:11

bcs u scared of the old players in the whole community that would vote against it

Learath2

This discord is just old players, the game is supposed to be intuitive and pleasing for everyone. Not just people that have been playing for a decade

^

People that care more about the game are more vocal too

That will also suffer from the same thing. This discord is not representative of the playerbase as a whole, nor will people that are neutral or dont care about the community aspect will even vote

@Learath2 i think we can stop now, everything said. And thanks for making something

Learath2

That will also suffer from the same thing. This discord is not representative of the playerbase as a whole, nor will people that are neutral or dont care about the community aspect will even vote

Their problem. Also in politics

11:12

Go vote.

Tyranny of the minority is very cool. study

you dont want to understand

11:12

An option, is for both

11:13

but you simply ignore a big part of the community

11:13

thats tyranny

11:13

tyranny of the majority

11:13

(probably)

@Learath2 Thanks for the great work. Really cool HUD but the freezebar is definitely not optimal yet. Ly

I understand exactly what you want. You want your way or the highway. As I said. I already folded. Go celebrate with your friends or whatever

Stepfunn

@Learath2 Thanks for the great work. Really cool HUD but the freezebar is definitely not optimal yet. Ly

+1 (edited)

fokkonaut

@Learath2 i think we can stop now, everything said. And thanks for making something

I already tried to stop this, but yea, keep acting like im the bad one here

Stepfunn

@Learath2 Thanks for the great work. Really cool HUD but the freezebar is definitely not optimal yet. Ly

+1 no freezebar then we all okay

This is exactly why only like 4 people contribute to this game regularly and none of them dare change anything that actually matters

topic changer, but yes i know. thats what teeworlds became after everything what happened (edited)

+1 no freezebar

@Learath2 please dont hate me now

Too late

Learath2

This is exactly why only like 4 people contribute to this game regularly and none of them dare change anything that actually matters

Fake

I will hate code your feature now

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Im in favour of making ddnet standslone

@Learath2 I will enjoy using it even more then

Break tw compat

Ryozuki

Break tw compat

good call

Reinvent the map format

11:17

Use rust

11:17

use holy c*

Ryozuki

Im in favour of making ddnet standslone

That sort of change doesnt matter. As long as the game looks and behaves the same they won't care

The freeze bar and the hud are a good step into making the game cleaner. But, you could make a "retro" mode option so that people choosing it can play with the old design (leaving it as it is without adding further changes) and turning it off by default. (edited)

ye

11:18

ez

If it behaves the exact same way it behaved 8 years ago when greyfox made a typo, it's excellent

i think someone is actually mad

Yeah .

11:19

..

sadly

I'm not only mad, I'm fuming at how you lot manage to kill any change ever dreamed of

Enough bullshit, just give us back the stars.

There is telegun, freeze deep tee movimg new hud

11:19

"no changes"

definitely not killing it, i wont go to new players and say ey this has been different since forever, look this is how you enable it

I can totally see you doing it

and that is (my opinion) what its mostly for. to be more intuitive for NEW players

11:20

but as (i dont remember name, a bit more above) said, its also good for timing

11:20

the stars i mean

Learath2

I can totally see you doing it

i will, extra for you

11:21

<3

11:21

@Ryozuki help me confuse new players pls

11:21

lets go multeasy (edited)

Im at work

xD was a joke

Was me, I think the only use for showing freezebar in freeze is for the people that play cl_show_ninja 0

Skeith

Was me, I think the only use for showing freezebar in freeze is for the people that play cl_show_ninja 0

hello

11:21

me

Would you like me to add the tower bug back in aswell mylord?

@Learath2 well, its not only on me. Why did we unfix the shotgun bug if it got fixed btw?

I'd prefer if the option for opacity was for outside of freeze, but I guess that'd clash with cl_show_ninja 0 pretty bad

fokkonaut

why wouldnt you add an option for freeze bar alpha OUTSIDE freeze, lol

xD

hi

Seeing as there's no katana now kek

Skeith

I'd prefer if the option for opacity was for outside of freeze, but I guess that'd clash with cl_show_ninja 0 pretty bad

so much about me not representing the community in this case @Learath2

11:23

or at least a few, as i said

Rip katana 2022

fokkonaut

why wouldnt you add an option for freeze bar alpha OUTSIDE freeze, lol

the weirdest thing is that theres an option for inside freeze

there is

fokkonaut

so much about me not representing the community in this case @Learath2

If only we could do proper UI polling with a representative group you so would be outvoted on this

hah

Your only saving grace is that people here are cut from the exact same cloth as you

if we exclude chinese players

no voting for chinese players

11:24

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Ya I'm oldschool, so I'm a bit biased on the loss of katana / stars

no, its just that they overran the game and probably have a very different opinion because they are just a different culture when it comes to games

fokkonaut

if we exclude chinese players

yeah, are they even real players since they only started a year or so ago

I can live with it all tho

why u putting words in my mouth @Learath2

Let's also exclude all russian players, they came after german ones, it's such a different culture too

Skeith

Ya I'm oldschool, so I'm a bit biased on the loss of katana / stars

how long

go drink a coffe @Learath2

I've been playing for 13 years

u r too mad for this convo rn

11:25

sorry

Skeith

I've been playing for 13 years

same

Skeith

I've been playing for 13 years

uve been playing as a fetus too damn troll

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I'm 27, man. feelsbadman

@Learath2 i mean, more like chinese players play very different games, and they probably enjoy the freeze bar more. thats just my guess, and thats okay, as i said, lets just keep both

11:26

xdxd

i think ive played tw for like 8 years, ive lost count honestly

no it's not okay, how dare they not agree with you wtf

you smoke?

11:26

if not better start

11:26

xd

everyone agrees with the almighty fokkonaut, it's well known

man, i have never seen you this mad

11:27

and never thought i would

11:27

just bcs ur opinion is not the one of everyone

Learath2

everyone agrees with the almighty fokkonaut, it's well known

it just happens that a major map change got forced on his block server

11:27

while the players were malding

fokkonaut

just bcs ur opinion is not the one of everyone

Neither is yours, which you seem to be unable to realize

cyberFighter

it just happens that a major map change got forced on his block server

chillers map change, which solves a lot of wayblock. i wanst in favour of it at first too, but after adjustments its okay

Learath2

Neither is yours, which you seem to be unable to realize

DUDE

11:28

i literally said its okay that not everyone agrees

11:28

read a book or so, ikd

fokkonaut

DUDE

Sorry, I thought I was the one that was mad. Is your caps lock stuck or sth?

fokkonaut

chillers map change, which solves a lot of wayblock. i wanst in favour of it at first too, but after adjustments its okay

everyone was still angy

We do a little trolling troll

@Learath2 why didnt you just stop when i asked for, and when i said its okay, and that i am thankful u do something (i even suggested i can do something)

11:29

but sure, keep trying to make me look like the toxic one

11:29

while you are exactly that

Skeith

We do a little trolling troll

i didnt want you to hate me, i want to ask you things here and there, have a talk, all i wanted was just to make you see what is actually going on

11:30

and that people also agreed with me before the release, on github even. developers. where you say only 4 devs work on this game

11:30

well

11:31

enough of you now, really. its going way too far.

11:32

hate me, idc, at least some players would thank me now that we get something.

Sorry bossman. I'll go make your feature

ddnet devs when the challenge is to not argue over 1 change

@Learath2 you want money for it

11:32

maybe u can handle it better then

11:32

20€?

11:32

dm me ur paypal

11:32

+ u can buy ice cream and a coffee

11:32

or a pack of cigarettes

11:32

depending on what you prefer to calm u down

11:32

xd

No, I have no need for these material things. You'll not get me to forget your bullying with cash

my bullying?

11:33

MY?

11:33

dude

you are really from another world rn

@Meekrioz

@cyberFighter

mekrioz

Who tf unbanned you

@Skeith

11:33

oh, wasnt me

Meekrioz

Who tf unbanned you

ask @murpi

Oh

11:34

Sheep

no i unbanned myself muroi gave me his acc

@Learath2 i am really sad over your behaviour today, man... never thought that, really. just because of a simple feature.

11:34

a vote would have fixed this, a vote before the release

Stop @ ing him kek

we could have an toggle option in the release then

11:35

what are release candidates for if you dont listen to what people say to it

Skeith

Stop @ ing him kek

lol

Sorry boss, I won't defend the changes a new dev barely got in after months of back and forth. We don't need any new developers anyway

ok. if we dont get to a diplomatic ending i will just stop on my own now. its really really sad

11:36

god

You already got your diplomatic ending, you got your feature, hurray

dude

11:36

i think you just dont want to understand

11:36

i thought its possible to argue with you, but seems like its not.

11:37

ban me

11:37

ur admin no?

how can you be so mad dude, all on your own

11:37

it wont get into my head really

11:37

Guys

11:37

As a discord mod

11:37

11:37

I have to step in here

ty

hold on

Discord mods are such losers greenthing

4

2

Skeith

Discord mods are such losers greenthing

Can't believe you PES_Cry

fokkonaut

ban me

Ban you? No way, you are the community representative. I clearly must be misunderstanding something

@Meekrioz he doesnt stop

11:38

ban him

11:38

oh wait, he is allowed, cuz he has admin role

What feature? Is this about the freeze stars?

nvm

Meekrioz

I have to step in here

u cant take a step cuz ur a discord mod

If only I wasn't so shallow and stupid I would understand

cyberFighter

u cant take a step cuz ur a discord mod

Oh wowie

i have the feeling you try to provoke me, so i get banned @Learath2

11:39

good plan

11:39

but wont work

fokkonaut i want u banned cuz of ur map

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murpi

What feature? Is this about the freeze stars?

Yes, the game was ruined once again by a new feature the freeze bar. But fear not I'm on it, saving the game from evil changes

why do discussions about changes always escalate like that

1

Bruh you're the epitome of provoked, fok kek

fokkonaut

oh wait, he is allowed, cuz he has admin role

^^^^^^^^^^

I'm like Sheldon, i don't like changes

oy ney I got super used to the freeze bar now

fokkonaut

i have the feeling you try to provoke me, so i get banned @Learath2

You are not going to get banned for crying about a feature like the 20 other people here. Every single one of you cry about every single change, no one got banned for it once

I'm going on a trip in my favorite rocket ship

im not crying, i am bringing valid arguments while you cry

Valid arguments such as me and my friends don't like it

as i said, read the whole convo again

guys can we revert all changes back to vanilla? i feel like vanilla has just the right amount of features

@Learath2 you over react

11:40

very childish, really

Actually yes

I like the freeze bar, there should be an option to use it or not but that's just me

Sorry boss, I got a little too passionate. I'll defer to your judgement on everything from now on

Meekrioz

I like the freeze bar, there should be an option to use it or not but that's just me

my words

Yoooo, I only SERIOUSLY cried about the no message in chat change, that shit was not thought out at all, and would've seriously hindered newer players. I guess a did cry a little about freesebars, but I gave actual constructive feedback. feelsbadman

11:41

For powerups

Meekrioz

I like the freeze bar, there should be an option to use it or not but that's just me

Isn't there a option for it already?

murpi

Isn't there a option for it already?

You can only disable them

disabling them doesnt help, bcs then u have 0 indicators

11:41

thats why we need snowflakes/stars

Idk my nightly is a bitch

snowflakes exist

11:42

wat

@Learath2 you see that, i am still making constructive arguments

11:42

:P

I want an option where I can set one off and one on, or both off, or both on

fokkonaut

thats why we need snowflakes/stars

wdym

Your initial constructive argument was

just count to 3

1

11:42

lol

@Learath2 ah man, fuck off. its such a shame dude

@fokkonaut is the freeze bar not visually appealing for you?

@murpi i wont start the same discussion with you now too

I'm not part of the bad guys, r-r-r-right, Lear? ...

enough that learath hates me

fokkonaut

enough that learath hates me

u are

@Skeith yes of course u r

where did the discussion happen? ^^

Just go to DMs or go to devs

he hates everyone now @Skeith

no u

murpi

where did the discussion happen? ^^

here, like 30 mins already

Guys

guys can we add

11:43

can we add tune lock

no, thats a feature nobody would like. instead use live freeze, its better

Skeith

I'm not part of the bad guys, r-r-r-right, Lear? ...

No, I don't mind people that argue in good faith. He just seems to be on some righteous crusade, it's baffling

Learath2

No, I don't mind people that argue in good faith. He just seems to be on some righteous crusade, it's baffling

dudeeee

you are insane really @Learath2

fokkonaut

no, thats a feature nobody would like. instead use live freeze, its better

@keb kid named nobody:

fokkonaut

you are insane really @Learath2

I agree

you need som milk

cyberFighter

@keb kid named nobody:

LIVE FREEZE IS AWESOME

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I don't like milk

keb

LIVE FREEZE IS AWESOME

wtf

11:45

NO

@Learath2 but you should drink it tho

Not even chocy milk? feelsbadman

keb

LIVE FREEZE IS AWESOME

Did anyone ever use this?

fokkonaut

@Learath2 but you should drink it tho

I agree

Learath2

Did anyone ever use this?

yea we like played one map

11:45

with cyber

11:45

its like really aweosme

uhh

Skeith

Not even chocy milk? feelsbadman

Depends

ok that map is an exception

@Learath2 it stenghtens your bones

cyberFighter

ok that map is an exception

SEE? its awesome!!!

fokkonaut

@Learath2 it stenghtens your bones

I agree

important

11:46

otherwise u instantly break ur leg

11:46

from a slight fall

@keb also found a live freeze swap bug with it so uhh yea

cyberFighter

@keb also found a live freeze swap bug with it so uhh yea

yea it sucked

fokkonaut

This discord is just old players

Lol, then you are scared because you know that this is actually true, that half of the community doesnt like this

I've only seen like 3 people complain about the freeze bar so far thonk

@Learath2 i apologize if you felt attacked by me, but what you did really was not nice

murpi

I've only seen like 3 people complain about the freeze bar so far thonk

@keb whats your opinion on the freeze bar

murpi

I've only seen like 3 people complain about the freeze bar so far thonk

I have a similar experience, but it's apparently invalid, we must be looking at the wrong places

cyberFighter

@keb whats your opinion on the freeze bar

awesome

11:48

ok it can stay clearly

also "Half of the community doesn't like this" is so out of scope

fokkonaut

@Learath2 i apologize if you felt attacked by me, but what you did really was not nice

seems like you both cant count, just follow this convo back up and u find more than that

yea its a really awesome feature

murpi

also "Half of the community doesn't like this" is so out of scope

dude just start a fucking vote (edited)

you can time shoots better and easier @cyberFighter

also

11:48

stars in general sucked

11:49

they are stupid unreliable

are we talking about freeze bar?

I'd love to experiment with alpha levels outside of freeze, wish it was an option. But options are bad I guess cammo

Iza

are we talking about freeze bar?

Yes ^^

its one of the best updates we got, how can people not like it xd

I love freeze bar, i also love stars, but both together is no bueno

Skeith

I'd love to experiment with alpha levels outside of freeze, wish it was an option. But options are bad I guess cammo

u can edit the hud

Meekrioz

I love freeze bar, i also love stars, but both together is no bueno

You don't exist, go away

literally edit the hud and u can change its transparency

Learath2

You don't exist, go away

Ok i go

Iza

its one of the best updates we got, how can people not like it xd

There are always two sides. Learath only sees yours.

cyberFighter

stars in general sucked

what are stars

ah?

keb

what are stars

like

deep

it showed stars when you were frozen

Skeith

I'd love to experiment with alpha levels outside of freeze, wish it was an option. But options are bad I guess cammo

I thought this was already in there, I can add an option for this too

ohh like to uhh

Learath2

I thought this was already in there, I can add an option for this too

DUDE

fokkonaut

dude just start a fucking vote (edited)

it seems to me that the discord vote will affect a very small part of the audience and mostly anti- freezebars

YOU KIDDING

identify deep or freeze

11:50

ok

nope

11:50

stars were used for both

cyberFighter

u can edit the hud

Isn't that only while inside freeze?

what

you just said you want to remove options as you find them and that we shouldnt add more useless complex options @Learath2

Skeith

Isn't that only while inside freeze?

jesus christ let me show u

11:50

a screenshot or something

nah man im out

11:51

this is really insane

11:51

and you are insane

isnt there literally an option to remove freezebar in the console?

fokkonaut

and you are insane

@keb most sane developers

rip cl_show_console

cyberFighter

@keb most sane developers

Ok

@Learath2 i hope that later you can see what you did even, and how you behaved

fokkonaut

you just said you want to remove options as you find them and that we shouldnt add more useless complex options @Learath2

It's the only way to keep you people from rioting, an alpha setting isn't quite as bad as long as I clamp it to 10-100

you talk like some betrayed villain ngl

Pastoer

rip cl_show_console

What's useful about that command now that you can copy paste directly from F1?

give me a sec @Skeith

11:52

i gotta open

11:52

gimp

fokkonaut

@Learath2 i hope that later you can see what you did even, and how you behaved

Yeah, ditto to you. Everything you said was in bad faith and just to egg me on

Iza

you talk like some betrayed villain ngl

read the convo, learath got mad af

Learath2

Yeah, ditto to you. Everything you said was in bad faith and just to egg me on

Stop making accusations dude

11:53

you are such an idiot right now (edited)

tbf you kept dragging the argument on after learath wasnt really replying that much

sometimes i ctrl+f old msg

bigchungus

@Learath2 show me what i did, you will only see how i tried to solve this convo like 3-4 times

11:53

@Learath2 and you keep provoking

Ya, fokk's a bit unhinged for sure kek

you keep being passive agressive

@Learath2 maybe i reacted a bit passive aggressive to a few of your provocations, truwe

angrynaut

Learath2

Anyway, enough of this righteous crusade for the people. I'll make something for the people addicted to mainlining nostalgia

I just wanted to stop it right here tbf

but i also apoligized and tried to show how the situation is @Learath2

Learath2

Every time we end up having to make some backwards bs that 5 people end up actually using going unmaintained and broken within a year

and u destroyed it here again

11:54

next msg

let me use my scroll wheel

@Skeith

It was another point. I'd already agreed to your request

@Learath2 and i said thanks

Anyway, what's done is done. You got your feature, you made me look like a kid. I guess gj?

ok ur convo is way too long for my interest to read it

@Learath2 You are trying to make me look like the toxic one here, and even said so multiple times, and that i am always toxic and shit

Izanagi i am reading the history now and i am at 13:30, they are talking about the same stuff since 30min i guess

Oh and if the past is any indicator for the future I'd be very surprised if the guy that got this feature in after almost 3 months of debates will come back for another PR (edited)

cyberFighter

@Skeith

how tho

Learath2

Would you like me to add the tower bug back in aswell mylord?

can you do that?

@Learath2 why cant you just see your own faults?

11:57

@Learath2 see it, say it, and then its fine

11:57

why do you still act like a child

Tag him once more i think he hasnt seen ur message

Learath2

Oh and if the past is any indicator for the future I'd be very surprised if the guy that got this feature in after almost 3 months of debates will come back for another PR (edited)

I guess I did take the heat for the guy, maybe he might still keep working

Skeith

how tho

edit the god damn image file wtf

@Learath2 this is why features need to be talked over, we cant just accept anything cuz a new dev did it

Ryozuki

@Learath2 this is why features need to be talked over, we cant just accept anything cuz a new dev did it

It was, we talked for months

who? you 3

Oh, it should just be an option @cyberFighter

11:58

xD

@Learath2 and you talk about represenation

Skeith

Oh, it should just be an option @cyberFighter

if it works it works

11:58

@Learath2 i knew about this when i saw the pr

Ya I guess

And for months we already complained about the freezebar

ye

i can send u the hud image with the transparent freeze bar tho

sure, thanks

@Ryozuki thank you man, i cant stand this crazy dude alone anymore xd he is just nuts

i cant really tell how much of this convo is sarcasm

Ryozuki

@Learath2 this is why features need to be talked over, we cant just accept anything cuz a new dev did it

It's impossible to poll for UI properly, people here will always complain about features that target new players, how are we supposed to have votes when a majority of this discord doesn't care about new player UX at all?

cyberFighter

i can send u the hud image with the transparent freeze bar tho

cl_show_freeze_bars 0

You completly ignored our messagrs on the issue

@Iza me neither, but thats the point. learath definitely knows that too, and he definitely tried to make me look bad, because he probably knows his own issues and is just not a man to say so, or even apologize (edited)

deen

cl_show_freeze_bars 0

semi transparent*

I never said anything about a poll

didnt mean like

12:00

completely hiding it

what issue?

Ya, the freezebar definitely feels better when it's not as bright

cyberFighter

@Skeith

@deen look at this screenshot, its what i meant

i mean from what i can read is that you're the one who's saying he's crazy or things like that

And imho i think ive said pretty reasonable arguments about UX design on the issues

Iza

i mean from what i can read is that you're the one who's saying he's crazy or things like that

scroll more up

12:01

@Iza read everything, or simply dont mix things up now. thanks

Mainly the freezebar not being in world as opposed to something like stars, and being too distracting

12:01

Info around the tee is vital

Ryozuki

You completly ignored our messagrs on the issue

It was changed like 3 times because people didn't like some things. The inside freeze alpha thing was completely because we talked about it in discord #5420 was full of changes due to feedback

fokkonaut

@Iza read everything, or simply dont mix things up now. thanks

i just can't care about it to actually take my time and read it

It should not be cluttered

Iza

i just can't care about it to actually take my time and read it

np, but then dont reply to this convo

Ryozuki

Mainly the freezebar not being in world as opposed to something like stars, and being too distracting

what about the bigass nametags then wtf

cyberFighter

what about the bigass nametags then wtf

Those have been there since 0.5.0, they get a pass

AND THE STARS DONT?

12:03

dude you outplay yourself

cyberFighter

what about the bigass nametags then wtf

True

dont you see that

But u can hide those

No I'm obviously being sarcastic. The nameplates you only agree with because they are old

i really thought you wanst being sarcastic rightn ow

They are both bad UI and shouldn't get a pass

lord

Just play with it how it is for a few weeks and see if you get used to the changes

so you think stars are definitelly the way to go when you want to know how much time tees are in freeze?

Was pretty obvious sarcasm

Yeah we can think about doing smth with the nametags

is there a way to disable the upper left ui? JUST that and not the bottom right time?

Ryozuki

But u can hide those

pretty sure the stars took even more space than it, and u can hide the freeze bars now

Pennervomland

is there a way to disable the upper left ui? JUST that and not the bottom right time?

cl_ddrace_hud 0

@deen thats not the issue. getting used to stuff doesnt mean its better

12:05

or feels better

But people get used to all kinds of bad stuff, so we can never change anything

thx ^^

and while we have arguments, learaths side doesnt have

12:05

^

cyberFighter

pretty sure the stars took even more space than it, and u can hide the freeze bars now

Not rly as long as ur not in a 10+ second freeze

thats what i thought, when it comes to the arguments again there is no reply... @deen

Stars felt better because they didn't follow the tee, they popped out at the location and stayed there

Your only objective argument has been that the freeze bar is attached to the tee. Why would essential information about the tee not be attached to the tee? How are the stars being part of the game world a beneficial thing? You say that as if it's a given something that is true no matter what

the freeze stars never really worked reliably when leaving freeze imo, this is my only complaint

The only problem to me is that the bar isn't displayed when you are in freeze, otherwise it's great :)

i'd use the freeze bar over the stars any day

Pipou

The only problem to me is that the bar isn't displayed when you are in freeze, otherwise it's great :)

You can display it in freeze, just turn up the alpha in the settings (edited)

@Ryozuki can u call the therapist for me, i dont think i am able to

Freeze bars have better information though, the issue is you give up clarity for it. Just adding opacity options for outside of freeze solves this all, honestly.

Oh ok, wouldn't it be better to set it by default ? :o

Pipou

The only problem to me is that the bar isn't displayed when you are in freeze, otherwise it's great :)

i actually like that it isnt displayed in freeze

Pipou

The only problem to me is that the bar isn't displayed when you are in freeze, otherwise it's great :)

cl_freezebars_alpha_inside_freeze 100

Playing with super transparent freezebars rn and it feels a lot better

Pipou

Oh ok, wouldn't it be better to set it by default ? :o

It was the default, people didn't like it, so it was completely removed, but some people wanted them in freeze too, so it was added as an option

Iza

i actually like that it isnt displayed in freeze

That's because you were never confronted to a part which requires to unfreeze somebody based on freeze dots

freezebar users gigachad

Ryozuki

Not rly as long as ur not in a 10+ second freeze

Pipou

That's because you were never confronted to a part which requires to unfreeze somebody based on freeze dots

that seems like an overly complicated map mechanic

cyberFighter

cl_show_direction while in freeze when

cyberFighter

I think what they mean is they were farther from the tee and less dense so they gave an illusion of taking up less space then they actually do

murpi

cl_show_direction while in freeze when

yeah fr

i disabled show_direction cuz it makes the nameplates go higher up

cyberFighter

i disabled show_direction cuz it makes the nameplates go higher up

You can change that too

how

12:11

xd

12:12

xd

Oh wait, let me get some too

dont make a handful of people an example for the whole ddnet community

@Iza i am always open for a vote

12:12

but learath just seems to be scared "of the old players in this discord"

12:13

well

12:13

if old players ARE the playerbase mostly

12:13

then you cant say anyhting dude

12:13

xd

false

true

fokkonaut

if old players ARE the playerbase mostly

um, we have far more new players

12:13

like far far more

fokkonaut

but learath just seems to be scared "of the old players in this discord"

ur server is just full of 13 year olds with anime pfps and shit

u play there yourself

and?

stop troll here

im 14

fokkonaut

u play there yourself

ermm actually multeasymap

Learath2

um, we have far more new players

and they can keep the new design

maybe setup a poll in the client when you start the game

fokkonaut

u play there yourself

lmfao

Iza

maybe setup a poll in the client when you start the game

learath already decided to do a feature, and called me out on it, well, i guess i am the bad guy now

I chuckled reading that

but whatever, im not even complaining about freezebar

but i dont care now anymore. i tried my best to keep him calm, if he decides to react and act like this, his choice.

12:15

I (and other people too!) are happy to get an option now.

villain arc

btw can someone explain why theres an extra asset option and this single snowflake

fokkonaut

if old players ARE the playerbase mostly

For reference, we get 1000 new players per day from Steam (edited)

@Learath2 Can the opacity options affect the stars as well? feelsamazingman

Skeith

@Learath2 Can the opacity options affect the stars as well? feelsamazingman

dude

12:16

jut edit

12:16

just edit the

12:16

game.png

no u

yeah ill do it

12:17

1v1 me mate

deen

For reference, we get 1000 new players per day from Steam (edited)

thats cool, and as i said above if you've read everything, i am totally okay with it and can totally understand that this is better for new players

who edits game.png first wins

I can do it, but it'd be cool if the options worked for both instead

Skeith

I can do it, but it'd be cool if the options worked for both instead

btw i dont think that

12:17

u even have stars

12:17

in 16.2

fokkonaut

thats cool, and as i said above if you've read everything, i am totally okay with it and can totally understand that this is better for new players

We additionally don't want to maintain multiple versions and options for everything, so the old stuff has to go when we develop something better.

Skeith

@Learath2 Can the opacity options affect the stars as well? feelsamazingman

I made the alpha thing affect the entire freezebar, made the show or don't show inside freeze an option. I think I can make the particles alpha'd too

btw what about the

12:17

gun particles

What I mostly dislike is the freeze bar

12:18

I liked the star countdown

oh wait

deen

We additionally don't want to maintain multiple versions and options for everything, so the old stuff has to go when we develop something better.

Learath said the same, and 30 minutes later (same convo) suggest to add another 2 options for the freeze bar inside fo freeze and so on

12:18

so

12:18

we are just running in a circle

Probably just so you guys calm down

pls read everything before you judge ^^ (edited)

@Learath2 can u make pistol spawn freeze bars when it hits something xd

@deen but i forgot, ddnet admins/mods never misbehave, and they never do anything wrong. my bad.

Guys, I think cyber might be a troll. Just a hunch

We should remove vanilla and tw support itself, that would remove way more churn than supporting multiple UX options ngl

cyberFighter

@Learath2 can u make pistol spawn freeze bars when it hits something xd

and add an option for it? xd

Skeith

Guys, I think cyber might be a troll. Just a hunch

just you

I'm a perfect angel. brownbear

fokkonaut

@deen but i forgot, ddnet admins/mods never misbehave, and they never do anything wrong. my bad.

I didn't say that

but you assumed that, at least for this scenario

12:20

:D

12:20

well idc now, i dont wanna start a fight with you now too, enough that learath hates me xd

I don't hate you, I just don't think this is a constructive way to talk

I think I'm starting to hate you justatest

you are putting yourself in a weird position fokko

@deen then you should read the whole convo. PLEASE.

12:21

There were arguments, and all learath did was shitting on it and being toxic towards me

Iza

you are putting yourself in a weird position fokko

He is right tho, non admin devs are at their mercy and when conflicts like this happen with heated arguments its always assumed the non admin is wrong

+1

I skimmed through most of the convo and @fokkonaut you've been quite toxic yourself, do you realize that?

what does being admin have to do with it? non-admin devs have push rights on ddnet too

@Iza its just, that i am a person who dislikes this disrespect very much.

12:23

@murpi ^

12:23

i dont let other people threat me that way, i say what most people are afraid of to say

deen

what does being admin have to do with it? non-admin devs have push rights on ddnet too

Obviously a non admin dev with push rights would never do a push that is not accepted

and yes, i am the bad guy now, i got the hate now @Iza

Thats a bad argument

12:23

This is why i rarely bors e+

12:23

r+

deen

We additionally don't want to maintain multiple versions and options for everything, so the old stuff has to go when we develop something better.

I guess an alpha doesn't hurt maintainability, hopefully it'll quell the angers of some people. The old indicator thing I'm not sure about, I don't want to add it but old players just passionately want it, maybe I can write it and fokkonaut can promise to maintain it?

i dont see why people like star indicators

Learath2

I guess an alpha doesn't hurt maintainability, hopefully it'll quell the angers of some people. The old indicator thing I'm not sure about, I don't want to add it but old players just passionately want it, maybe I can write it and fokkonaut can promise to maintain it?

if you apologize.

Okay, I'll find someone else to maintain it

4

hah

12:24

knew it

some people can't bear with change

child dude

Oh actually, I'll do you one better

you are childish my friend

I apologize for being so mean @fokkonaut. I'll still find someone else to maintain it

@Learath2 was to be expected

12:25

idc xD

12:25

@Learath2 this is definitely a way to lose more devs on ddnet

I can maintain it, with a 2 month response time

He doesn't deserve an apology honestly kek

Ryozuki

I can maintain it, with a 2 month response time

That sounds reasonable enough to me

Ryozuki

I can maintain it, with a 2 month response time

good, slow progress more time to test

Skeith

He doesn't deserve an apology honestly kek

@deen what kinda mods and admins are around here? :D

Oh no, he's gonna start @ spamming me now

@Ryozuki its reaaaaaaally sad to see all of this

Skeith

Oh no, he's gonna start @ spamming me now

same toxicity

12:27

@Skeith while originally you agreed with me, and the thing we talked about

Ya, you're a bit mentally unstable I think. Just the way you interact with people. My two cents, stop @ ing me. Thanks.

ye guys come to a conclusion or leave it, i don't think the people here need to see this kind of a situation between staff

12:28

idk if fokko is considered as staff

im considered as trash, in ddnet staff (edited)

Dev role is not staff

I don't get it @fokkonaut you are really just being mean for no reason now. You said your opinion, I said I don't think it's as widely held as you think it is. I explained why I didn't think a vote is appropriate here due to selection bias. I even inquired about your only objective argument which you didn't even dignify with a response

@Learath2 i am not mean, you was mean a lot dude.

I just don't see how you are the one being treated like trash while you've been bullying me for the last hour :/

Ryozuki

Dev role is not staff

as a testing staff i disagree :(

Actually if guys want to attract more devs, you should either make a dev blog (like i do hehe), document stuff better, improve the wiki dev article. The first one having the most outreach.

@Learath2 dont swap the sides now, you are saying exactly what i said now that deen is here

bruh why i don't have testing role

how is this still going on lol

@Learath2 You should really see the issue on your side, you were very toxic until like 15 min ago

12:32

i hope you didnt delete all of your messages now

Learath and toxic

I never delete anything, fortunately I'm not so shallow

murpi

Learath and toxic

As i said earlier too, i didnt think i would see that happen, yes

yeah, because hes not toxic at all

12:33

let me give you a few examples whos actually toxic

12:33

i tried my best to keep him calm

also fokkonaut:

THEN WHY DONT YOU MAKE A VOTE LMAO ah bcs u scared of the old players in the whole community that would vote against it

i think someone is actually mad

you smoke?

man, i have never seen you this mad

@Learath2 you want money for it maybe u can handle it better then 20€?

very childish, really

murpi

yeah, because hes not toxic at all

I surely wasn't on my nicest behaviour there, but he was indeed being mean. I'm allowed to get a little irked, no? I'm only human

I said earlier too, that i also was passive aggressive at some points. But what learath did was more intense

12:33

+ he didnt want an end

Learath2

I surely wasn't on my nicest behaviour there, but he was indeed being mean. I'm allowed to get a little irked, no? I'm only human

@murpi now hes even admitting it, see you are just talking trash cuz yall are one staff

Learath2

I surely wasn't on my nicest behaviour there, but he was indeed being mean. I'm allowed to get a little irked, no? I'm only human

Yes, but you didnt want an end

We should apply rule 7

you hated and hated even more

12:34

@Learath2 and basically, you got yourself to that point very alone

"Didn't want an end" > kept @ ing Lear for the past hour

i tried 4 times to stop the convo, apologized one time in case you felt attacked @Learath2

Ryozuki

We should apply rule 7

It wasn't personal though. I'd DM him otherwise. The freezebar is a community concern

Wasnt personal?

12:35

aha

Learath2

It wasn't personal though. I'd DM him otherwise. The freezebar is a community concern

i thought i am not speaking for the community and that i am the only one with that opinion...

12:37

you run in a circle really

12:37

can you just admit it, then im happy

The freeze bar is a community concern. Your opinion about the freeze bar is held by a few people, mostly older players that miss the stars. I haven't been saying anything different for the last hour

He stated that all older players would share the opinion, cause we don't like change. I don't think he said it was just yours.

12:38

Ya

@Learath2 ok anyways, your behaviour wasnt nice. im out now. and you should work on that.

Learath2

The freeze bar is a community concern. Your opinion about the freeze bar is held by a few people, mostly older players that miss the stars. I haven't been saying anything different for the last hour

i don't miss the stars

just give them a bit of time to get over the whole "change bad" behavior, freeze bar is objectively better ux

and don't like the freeze bar

You should work on not taking everything so personally, fokk.

stop assuming that

12:38

it is not teeish (edited)

You're not fighting for your life

matter of principle

that's what they all say

nori

it is not teeish (edited)

How is a bar we took from teeworlds itself not teeish? The fact that it is attached to the tee?

@nori what's teeish?

Learath2

The freeze bar is a community concern. Your opinion about the freeze bar is held by a few people, mostly older players that miss the stars. I haven't been saying anything different for the last hour

imho i dont miss the stars, its just that the freezebar feels unteeish and out of touch, and clutters the space near the tee

murpi

@nori what's teeish?

not rendering a bar around tee

murpi

@nori what's teeish?

following the general aesthethic of the game

Learath2

How is a bar we took from teeworlds itself not teeish? The fact that it is attached to the tee?

so?

teeworlds itself has gone astray

nori

so?

I asked 2 questions, I didn't make a statement

did u see their chat?

12:40

it gives eye cancer

xD

the old artists are not there

12:41

iirc

Ryozuki

did u see their chat?

its also that you are used to the good rendering in ddnet, before the new text renderer the 0.6 chat also looked very bad

90% of the players play with some weird ass entities, the freezebar looks very teeish in comparision to that

fokkonaut

its also that you are used to the good rendering in ddnet, before the new text renderer the 0.6 chat also looked very bad

no, they removed the shadow on text which makes it look rly rly bad

yes true xd

it has a shadow but no outline

Ryozuki

imho i dont miss the stars, its just that the freezebar feels unteeish and out of touch, and clutters the space near the tee

Why do you think it clutters the space more than the stars? It takes up more space temporally but it takes less space on the screen as demonstrated a couple pictures above

Learath2

I asked 2 questions, I didn't make a statement

i mean is it teeish if teeworlds devs decide it? i thought it is community developed game

cant you just add a hidden command like cl_old_gun_position for people that wants to keep the stars

When yoink translator from 0.7

Learath2

Why do you think it clutters the space more than the stars? It takes up more space temporally but it takes less space on the screen as demonstrated a couple pictures above

notice the near the tee

12:43

remark

12:43

stars are way further

12:44

but as i said

Ryozuki

imho i dont miss the stars, its just that the freezebar feels unteeish and out of touch, and clutters the space near the tee

100% agree with that

stars arent the best either

nori

i mean is it teeish if teeworlds devs decide it? i thought it is community developed game

I mean, the way I see it everything that is in teeworlds is teeish. It'd be absurd otherwise. Are the ctf flags not teeish?

a good way maybe would be to change the color of the tee from top to bottom gradually

12:44

or something like that

it wouldnt be precise

Ryozuki

stars are way further

I doubt you'd like it if the bar was further from the tee either. So maybe that's not the factor that you don't like either?

what i love about the bar that it is precise

12:45

you can see the progress in an instant just by one glance

but it cluttlers the space near the tee, which is something i rly dislike

I'd like to have some sort of freeze animation at some point

yeah thats probs the best

The only redeeming thing about stars is that they don't follow the tee, nothing else is better

but it has to fit nicely with all the skins

12:46

or

12:46

we force the use of ninja (or frozen tee)

12:46

and disallow using normal skins in freeze

we just had no bar before this i guess? The bar was introduced in 0.7 as a ninja bar dont? But you saw stars before, when taking damage, when shooting with a projectile against a wall, but you just had no solid bar and i think that is the problem (edited)

Iza

it wouldnt be precise

doesn't have to as long as it gives you a hint. freeze bar still could be optional

1

Ryozuki

and disallow using normal skins in freeze

but thats so good for ddrace, if everyone is side by side and you try to pick the correct guy based on the skin

12:46

thats gameplay +++

heinrich5991

I'd like to have some sort of freeze animation at some point

I tried an ice cube but it's hard to do for skins of arbitrary size and shape

it shouldnt be a cube

12:47

it should be roundish

teeish

12:47

Ryozuki

it should be roundish

my original concept had round ends but we decided that a squarish one is more precise visually

12:48

still has rounded corners tho

I think he was talking about a skin, not the bar?

why is it so important to smooth the appearence like that? maybe its nice for the new new players i guess, but the more experienced a player gets, the more technical he wants the ui to be

ah

12:49

as I've said before, ice cube or anything like that will never work

12:50

Skeith

Click to see attachment 🖼️

much better than ninja :d

3

12:52

x

12:52

dd

nori

doesn't have to as long as it gives you a hint. freeze bar still could be optional

i think this is the main point that make me miss stars, in normal 3* freeze my brain only use the 2* animation to time the unfreeze and the rest of info is useless. To have a bar whole time doing countdown is useless and distracting for me, of course that is better for new player but when u know how to timing the unfreeze the bar is useless and i dont like to fully hide the bar as a solution. Anyway is my first day using it, we all will get used to it probably and the solution @cyberFighter gave about transparence can work good.

with stars you can't time it perfect, even if you're the most experienced player

Lagar

i think this is the main point that make me miss stars, in normal 3* freeze my brain only use the 2* animation to time the unfreeze and the rest of info is useless. To have a bar whole time doing countdown is useless and distracting for me, of course that is better for new player but when u know how to timing the unfreeze the bar is useless and i dont like to fully hide the bar as a solution. Anyway is my first day using it, we all will get used to it probably and the solution @cyberFighter gave about transparence can work good.

When do you usually need to time using the stars?

because of server ticks

hi chat

Hey voxel

Iza

with stars you can't time it perfect, even if you're the most experienced player

bruh you can't with freeze bar too

you can, thats the point

The stars weren't tick accurate, they were I think maaybe second accurate, they didn't use to be but I remember some discussion around making them accurate

Iza

with stars you can't time it perfect, even if you're the most experienced player

what do you mean, stars were perfect for timing

Learath2

When do you usually need to time using the stars?

unfreeze jump hammer

Skeith

The only redeeming thing about stars is that they don't follow the tee, nothing else is better

no thats ur opinion

Mystery?

unfreeze jump hammer

unfreeze jump hammer, you mean through a freeze wall?

Nope, objective. Don't @ me greenthing

Skeith

Nope, objective. Don't @ me greenthing

ok i wont

yo he @ ed me

u never said to not reply ping

reply is not @ :(

reply was a mistake, please remove. admins

stars are just bad

12:58

sometimes it will show 1 star when in reality it should be showing 2

ye thats why you cant ever time stuff perfectly

and then in the next second it will either just show 1 star again or show nothing, depending on how the star's mood is like i guess

my two cents about stars vs bar: if stars were a thing why not have it be all 3 star types and not just one

Learath2

unfreeze jump hammer, you mean through a freeze wall?

for vertically jump boost i think he mean, one tee hold jump freezed and u hit him just after he unfreeze for the boost

wtf with ddrace hud

You're talking about how only the first star in the game.png is used, ya?

nRx

wtf with ddrace hud

welcome

Today is update?

+ u cant change stars in freeze without changing stars in pistol

snowflakes but no stars

13:00

ok

anyway my final opinion is that the bar is perfect but add back ninja skin in freeze without snowflakes

Lagar

for vertically jump boost i think he mean, one tee hold jump freezed and u hit him just after he unfreeze for the boost

Oh that's a nice one, but don't you think you can time this even better with the bar?

Iza

anyway my final opinion is that the bar is perfect but add back ninja skin in freeze without snowflakes

you can remove the snowflakes

Learath2

unfreeze jump hammer, you mean through a freeze wall?

Skeith

You're talking about how only the first star in the game.png is used, ya?

yeah. i know ppl are like "uhhh make a game mode that uses more of them". whos gonna remember the other 2 stars out of smthlike uh.. 4 player fng? (edited)

correct me if im wrong, but timing others is rarely a thing, its usually done in combination with both or one being frozen and holding the key, since its buffered

Lagar

for vertically jump boost i think he mean, one tee hold jump freezed and u hit him just after he unfreeze for the boost

you can time it with the bar just the same

qweeeeeeed

you can remove the snowflakes

you should never manually edit the gamefiles just to change a thing, it should be changable in either settings or console

actually even more precise lol

or just use deepfly

13:01

lol

Mystery?

Click to see attachment 🖼️

He going to brazil

Ryozuki

correct me if im wrong, but timing others is rarely a thing, its usually done in combination with both or one being frozen and holding the key, since its buffered

You don't time the jump but you time the hammer, you need to hammer just as he naturally unfreezes

Iza

you should never manually edit the gamefiles just to change a thing, it should be changable in either settings or console

thats how all assets works

cyberFighter

or just use deepfly

or just don't play ddrace

13:02

ez

ye but thats just not user friendly

timing the hammer after he jumps its not that hard with normal reaction time tho

13:02

this is not csgo level timing

Ryozuki

timing the hammer after he jumps its not that hard with normal reaction time tho

ddnet players when i show them how to count to 3

But yes, I can actually see how people used to timing with the 2nd star might have to re-adapt

Ryozuki

timing the hammer after he jumps its not that hard with normal reaction time tho

true

balls have been planted nouis

Someone just checking how it works on fng ?

all good

Ryozuki

timing the hammer after he jumps its not that hard with normal reaction time tho

fwiw I've been timing these without the stars either, I thought everyone else just got a feel for it too

@Skin Database Crew https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/data/skins/license.txt contains some author+license information which could be added to https://ddnet.tw/skins

1

aoe4legs remake when

why does it say I made kitty_x_ninja

4

probably confused with the kitties pack

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/commit/8d621dfc003315662a44a0d3a7156fc0f2876192

I consciously omitted x_ninja and then someone else made a really disgusting one

im so glad i didnt wake up earlier justatest

13:13

pros to having a messed up sleep schedule

13:14

i will not say anything

1

cyberFighter

btw can someone explain why theres an extra asset option and this single snowflake

its super important source: idk

Lots of space for future changes

13:23

additions, rather

like what

13:24

i know theres like, the whole material thing

Who knows!

you could have made space in particles tbh since half the community kinda doesnt like snowflake anyways

13:25

just dont update your current partiicle skin, ez

13:26

(i think snowflake is alrightish, just a tad distracting with /showothers on)

Does is get the show others transparency level?

3

not that I remember.

material is a separate file

https://streamable.com/qpazlz

13:58

I saw the conversation above about how teeworlds should look like and I have the objectively best opinion on it ^

Boooo

13:59

wheres the tower

13:59

and aled

Cipy29

https://streamable.com/qpazlz

this is illegal, how tf

Learath2

this is illegal, how tf

start implementing it in the official client gigachad

hi

Cipy29

https://streamable.com/qpazlz

chillerdragon without greenwards is indeed illegal

Hey guys does anyone remember the skins.tw web api for changing colors on tees?

Original message was deleted or could not be loaded.

u can disable the HUD, the old HUD had nothing that could help you in ddrace

15:36

ah the freezebar is a much discussed topic indeed, but i think u can change the transparency

The new HUD changes feels very strange but its probably just me overthinking it -I thought with less things on the screen the game would look and maybe feel better but with how jumps are displayed its a much bigger distraction since every 2seconds I see something flash in the corner in my eye,with the old HUD we couldn't see our jumps displayed but only a countdown with the shields to indicate when you unfreeze which isn't distracting since you aren't doing stuff while frozen 99% of the time -The snowflakes while in freeze is much more distracting since they are persistent and spawn way too frequently than with the stars flashing once and not follow you the whole time -When you shoot weapons while in freeze something feels "off" but im not sure what it is -When playing with dummy and using deepfly bind I have the same problem as with the jump indicator,the dummy icon flashing whole time when it hammers so it becomes distracting imo -The freezebar isn't a bad change but having something solid staying under the person following them the whole time is also distracting,maybe if it was more transparent it would look better?

I am never going to update ddnet. Luckily I still have old version

can we not just change the old stars to snowflakes and have them toggleable also why add snowflakes instead of just turning the (cursed) swordless ninja skin into a frozen blueish variant

Every single ui change is a good change for new players but the update lacks options for older players that liked the old ui more to toggle the old ui

15:47

I mean it's more intuitive to look at the hud for jumps instead of player feet or to look at the progress bar under frozen tees instead of how many stars are there around them

if we only talk about the HUD, then just disable it

15:48

old HUD was completly useless

15:48

the other rest ok

15:48

thats at least discussable

I just realized that you could disable some features for hud

Jupstar ✪

if we only talk about the HUD, then just disable it

It's possible to completely disable the new HUD and have the game like the original?

if we disable hud then we cant time anything freeze related?

well with HUD i mean top left thing

15:49

i play without HUD since i started gores

who tf uses hud to time freeze

i never missed it, bcs it was useless

u can display bar in freeze tho its a manual command tho

15:50

(which imo should be enabled by default)

I just don't want the freeze bar and I want the old ninja stars to time my freeze

^^^^^^^

15:50

The freeze bar could be good in certain situations so i would make a bind toggle for it

stop with the 5000 toggles lmao

But the stars are more important to me than the snowflakes

louis

stop with the 5000 toggles lmao

Why though

having 20 binds doesnt make u a better player

we should have made the HUD change without the ingame element changes

Time to delete my kill bind

then there would be more headroom to discuss everything

Why do you care if I have 500 or 5 binds and how good of a player I am with or without them

i agree with one thing: ninja skin + snow flakes - ninja weapon looks aweful

how does frreze bar work in only certain situations

15:53

its basically the exact same, just visual change

Not really

Jupstar ✪

i agree with one thing: ninja skin + snow flakes - ninja weapon looks aweful

fax, freeze skin wheb

Lwai

can we not just change the old stars to snowflakes and have them toggleable also why add snowflakes instead of just turning the (cursed) swordless ninja skin into a frozen blueish variant

This is what I'm planning if enough people want us dead over it after a week or so of getting used to it

Why's everyone talking about snowflakes? Has the frozen tee changed also?

15:55

Legit scared to update xD

Learath2

This is what I'm planning if enough people want us dead over it after a week or so of getting used to it

Someone make a poll if you want the devs dead because of the stars

I also moved the snow flakes a little down and started spawning them less, it does look better that way imo

@Blade

louis

how does frreze bar work in only certain situations

Timing things would be easier when you see a progress bar that updates in real time instead of stars that update every second

Mystery?

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Like unfreeze jump hammer

or u can count from 3

NovaShock

@Blade

What the fuck

winter update in summer

15:59

Where is his sword? He looks like he is bald

15:59

And has no hands

15:59

Poor guy

louis

or u can count from 3

I can't count so i need the bind, you can count so you don't need the bind

16:00

problem solved

yes i cant pseudo they should add automatic pseudo toggle

The thing is

16:02

I'm not asking for a bind to be made, I know if they add a toggle that I could make a bind myself (edited)

16:02

So I don't see why you would be a bitch about it (edited)

they should add a toggle for enabling macros and binds and everything

They should add a toggle to be able to switch toggles

@louis challenge failed

they will probably add an option i think its just silly to have a bind for it

16:03

and that shouldnt be the justification for adding an option

any way to disable snowflakes altogether? (edited)

justification should just be that someone is used to/prefers one visual style over the other

isaac

any way to disable snowflakes altogether? (edited)

edit the image to be blank

i did

16:04

doesnt work xd

isaac

any way to disable snowflakes altogether? (edited)

ddnet players when i show them editing the image files for the 1263718263871274892371598224th time

16:04

ur clearly not doing it right

calm down

what image did u edit

16:05

there might be 1 in appdata and 1 in ddnet folder

It's not a justification, all I'm saying is that the change is useful in certain situations for me, while someone else would prefer to keep it always on, a bind is a time save if the feature is used frequently

so i go in appdata tw folder? in extras?

16:06

and nothing is there

u add extras.png in %appdata%/teeworlds

16:06

restart game

Imagine if you had to copy paste the deep hammer command in your console every time you wanted to play with dummy instead of just clicking a button

empty 512x512 png

isaac

so i go in appdata tw folder? in extras?

but be aware that future updates might use this file and u wont see the updates

thats fine

16:08

i didnt want stars or snowflakes so xd

ye well i was being a bitch sry i just get annoyed like this every significant update

I banned for no reason help

16:09

31,day

🧊Ice・Dæk⛄

I banned for no reason help

Do you know the reason?

No

16:09

Idk

It doesn't show the reason when you try to connect?

so i did a random 512x512 image and it doesnt work xD

do u even was banned on ddrace?

isaac

so i did a random 512x512 image and it doesnt work xD

png?

Im trying to connect server and says You have aeen banned For 44640 Minutes ((1)ziPPo Autoban Until 2023-07-05

named extras.png

I GOT BAN 1 YEAR

16:10

WHYY

which server?

Every server

🧊Ice・Dæk⛄

Im trying to connect server and says You have aeen banned For 44640 Minutes ((1)ziPPo Autoban Until 2023-07-05

I think that's KoG server? You have to ask on their Discord

16:10

We don't use "Autoban" message on DDNet I think

@Jupstar ✪yea

I didint played Kog Today

It's a bit confusing, but DDNet and KoG are not affiliated

ah wait didnt rename lmao

16:11

hold up

What do you mean

deen

It's a bit confusing, but DDNet and KoG are not affiliated

Is there even a reason why a kog tab exists

fng tab when

🧊Ice・Dæk⛄

What do you mean

https://discord.gg/yNZtq39Z

Is it because they are big enough and have enough servers

Ok

Because there are other servers like ddrock which have many servers but dont have their own tab

just name it community

16:13

bcs its community servers

i still see the snowflakes xdd

Jupstar ✪

just name it community

my bad

isaac

i still see the snowflakes xdd

send the png here

ez

cant we make default freeze skin to just a normal ice cube? would looks a lot better than current

16:14

not an overlay just an ice cube

isaac

i still see the snowflakes xdd

ah see cyberfighters pic, there is assets tab for extras

16:15

just click "open assets tab"

16:15

add it there, press reload

did that like 5 times

or u can just use particles guys

but maybe its different this time

then buy a brain dude xd

Jupstar ✪

then buy a brain dude xd

too expensive

why would they make the snowflake shit default xd

xdd

isaac

why would they make the snowflake shit default xd

frozen = cold

16:16

snowflake = cold

xd

just go fng, there are no snowflakes greenthing

then i have to actually think of a way to remove it

@isaac https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/295908390956433410/993859461368270908

16:16

tried this png yet?

ok but seriously

16:17

what are the things ninja spawns

16:17

i keep calling them onion rings but idk what htey are

if u want to have here the old particles just use some particles, they have these "moons"

@NovaShock legend

crescents

wtf

16:17

wait

16:18

but why would

louis

cant we make default freeze skin to just a normal ice cube? would looks a lot better than current

when do this btw

a katana spawn crescents

cuz japan or smth idk lmao

louis

when do this btw

just make a macro that checks every frame if theres a darker pixel over ur tee, if it is it presses an unreachable button which will change ur skin to ice

would be cool if ddnet changed freeze skin to x_freeze, on default clients it could be the same as x_ninja but using another cl_skin_download_url could change the freeze skin to something else

Alexander

Is there even a reason why a kog tab exists

The original reason was master servers getting ddosed constantly. So we added them to our list of servers which was bypassing the master server. However now that we have http masters, maybe it's time to renove that?

yes remove kog

16:28

add pvp tab

louis

add pvp tab

no

The only reason why I would think that removing them is a good idea is so people don't think ddnet and kog are affiliated

dont shed any light to block server

1

16:31

s

Learath2

The original reason was master servers getting ddosed constantly. So we added them to our list of servers which was bypassing the master server. However now that we have http masters, maybe it's time to renove that?

maybe a workaround could be caching the master servers when the request to them times out

omg its cordax :OOO

2

@Steinchen coradax* greenthing

nono.. thats cordax. the better version

coradax is the chinese ripoff, you know when they add a letter to a real brand

Too many snowflakes with new gui!

It will get lowered, i think

Wohoo

Too many snowflakes with new gui!

@c0d3d3v

LOL rip silex

lmao silex went wrong

17:26

@Silex

He got hacked

yea he is banned, if he fixes his shit he will get unbanned

Might want to warn teeworlds data server since he is in there too

Hi everyone, I'm new here, does anyone know how to speak in Portuguese?

You can talk in other languages in #off-topic

Btw how do people keep getting discord hacked? What's the scam like?

There was something related to a qr code that you can scan to log in

@Cipy29 you join a server, it has a "verify" button, you click it it gives you a qr code to scan with the discord mobile app

17:40

It's a login qr, so if you scan it they log in to your account

It also bypasses 2fa

17:40

which is dumb in itself because 2fa should never be bypassed

Wtf I can't even blame that much the ppl that get scammed then

Alexander

It also bypasses 2fa

I guess the idea is that the phone is the 2nd factor here

Seems to me like discord needs to get its shit together

Learath2

I guess the idea is that the phone is the 2nd factor here

That could be true but it's not stated as such anywhere

Cipy29

Wtf I can't even blame that much the ppl that get scammed then

Well when you scan it your phone will clearly tell you what is happening. I'm not quite sure who is to blame there

You know like google has an option to send a message to your device where you can press yes or no to allow the login but it has to be allowed first

Alexander

That could be true but it's not stated as such anywhere

Actually now that I think about it more, this does bypass the 2fa, you no longer need to know the email and pw, just need to steal a phone

I mean there are still login tokens which im pretty sure bypass 2fa

17:44

so you could just make the user install a virus that can get the token and it's not exclusive to discord only

17:45

but this is discords fault because to the users knowledge, all they are doing is scanning a qr code from discord using discord

Astramast

lmao silex went wrong

Sad for him feelsbadman

can you dm me the link?

Imagine silex says dude

kek

Alexander

can you dm me the link?

Nonono

17:52

It’s private

"hey dude, my bros got some fire discord nitro links"

Alright

Kellar J.

Hi everyone, I'm new here, does anyone know how to speak in Portuguese?

learning Portuguese ?

RonIn

Sad for him feelsbadman

Silex 2 incoming

silex got free nitro

wtf did they do to freeze? it... feels weird...

weird how? (edited)

i used to hammer before going to freeze and it shows like this hammer in freeze animation

18:17

now i can't do that

for me its how it stays for some time even if you move

18:17

the snowlakes

spur

i used to hammer before going to freeze and it shows like this hammer in freeze animation

small detail but i used to like that

spur

i used to hammer before going to freeze and it shows like this hammer in freeze animation

This was an animation bug that got fixed when we started to send the freeze status correctly to the client

18:18

I don't really see an easy way to get that back in

I think its the katana animation

where can i see the update? patchnotes and whatever new things you added

https://ddnet.tw/downloads/#16.2 or steam news iirc

i have found a bug

18:21

When you teleport with practice mode but you are frozen (deep for example) and try to move it thinks that you can move

18:21

probably something about predictions being reset

@trml ^ can be fixed?

maybe its because when you tp the commad unfreezes you but deep doesnt let you unfreeze

where can i find skins for this new hud ?

18:46

i have one

idk oversee but aint that the hated imfamous healer

what happened to the ui_scale command?

KONSTI HERE?

19:09

https://i.imgur.com/qLLZsNP.png

2

Alexander

It will get lowered, i think

lol a lot said there are to few snowflakes

19:13

xD because they want it so you can track the tees better (like you could do with the ninja sword particles)

wtf

19:13

u can track a tee with ur eyeballs

19:13

by looking at their skin

ninja particles spawned at 100Hz, Snowflakes at 10Hz... so 10 times slower

this is why I said it

19:16

People are always gonna complain and everyone has their own preference so I suggest just adding options

19:17

For example if the amount of snowflake spawning could get its own console command or/and a setting in the hud settings it would please a lot of people

making everything a console command is not a good solution

19:20

@c0d3d3v and I are planning improvements for the next version so it would be nice to get some feedback and not just "how to disable this shit"

2

add custom ice cube skin

19:20

not overlay but skin

19:20

snowflakes come from cold things not ninjas

I use a white ninja skin which looks quite good with the flakes

Ravie

@c0d3d3v and I are planning improvements for the next version so it would be nice to get some feedback and not just "how to disable this shit"

yes we somehow should start to collect valuable feedback in an issue. And I stop answering how to turn off stuff xD

Ravie

@c0d3d3v and I are planning improvements for the next version so it would be nice to get some feedback and not just "how to disable this shit"

its not "how to disable this shit" but a way of making many people happy since a lot of people said that there are too many snowflakes and some people said that there is not enough snowflakes

Indio Picaron

what happened to the ui_scale command?

got removed

Deen

19:24

Im using Allthehaxx client

4

19:24

Would it be a nuisance

19:24

?

Ravie

@c0d3d3v and I are planning improvements for the next version so it would be nice to get some feedback and not just "how to disable this shit"

thanks to both of you for that!

Ravie

I use a white ninja skin which looks quite good with the flakes

i think changing the ninja skin either to a white version or to a circular ish ice ball would be a lot better visually

It's not too bad

and it makes sense too

would align the snowflakes with the freezeticks tho

Umm

🧊Ice・Dæk⛄

Would it be a nuisance

it sounds like a bot client. if it has bots then not allowed

deen

it sounds like a bot client. if it has bots then not allowed

Only have hookfly dummy

deen

got removed

why was it removed? was it causing problems?

deen

it sounds like a bot client. if it has bots then not allowed

Maybe there are bots but I don't know.

3. Parti Dosyaların %90'ı Yasak

Brokecdx-

would align the snowflakes with the freezeticks tho

oh imagine like a puff of snow comes out every tick

19:27

would be nice

Kullandığın da bot client sayılıyor.

Deleted User

Kullandığın da bot client sayılıyor.

Nedenki

Indio Picaron

why was it removed? was it causing problems?

the value range that worked, was so small that it did not make sense to keep that feature, because every value out of the working range, did break the UI ins some way. Why do you ask? Was it helpfull for you?

Hookfly var sadece (edited)

Indio Picaron

why was it removed? was it causing problems?

yes, it was broken for most values

🧊Ice・Dæk⛄

Maybe there are bots but I don't know.

Why do you then use it?

louis

oh imagine like a puff of snow comes out every tick

yeah just a bit too much snowing there, and option to disable the freeze bar

c0d3d3v

Why do you then use it?

Fun

🧊Ice・Dæk⛄

Hookfly var sadece (edited)

Kural bu insanlardan kendini üstün kılıyorsun haksız rekabete geçiyor

19:28

offline bir şekilde olsa kimseyi ırgalamaz

19:28

örneğin teeworlds

Tm

louis

oh imagine like a puff of snow comes out every tick

every tick? so 50Hz? or once per second (edited)

Brokecdx-

yeah just a bit too much snowing there, and option to disable the freeze bar

you could edit the png file to remove it

Deleted User

Kural bu insanlardan kendini üstün kılıyorsun haksız rekabete geçiyor

Reakbet derken pvp mi

hayır puan yarışı olabilir speedrun olabilir

19:29

bir sürü rekabet olabilir

19:29

block mapleri de var

Onlar bende yok

19:29

Hasjakd

#off-topic for other languages

Okey

c0d3d3v

every tick? so 50Hz? or once per second (edited)

freeze tick sry

19:31

so 1 per sec

c0d3d3v

the value range that worked, was so small that it did not make sense to keep that feature, because every value out of the working range, did break the UI ins some way. Why do you ask? Was it helpfull for you?

yeeahh i loved it, for example with ui_scale I could see more servers and friends than usual, and it was more comfortable in general its a shame that i cant do it anymore

37.230.210.231:8203 Player Servant use cheats

what cheats is he using

bot for blocking

19:56

iam

19:56

He have 1 ban 5 minutes ago

how to remove snowflakes from new update?

That's kinda offensive to the devs who worked hard to improve the game you like

20:11

Maybe you should just give constructive criticism to tell them that you are not happy with some of the features they added

20:12

(he deleted the message)

No, I did

ah okay

alexander

20:51

i love you

PVP tab would be really nice

Indio Picaron

yeeahh i loved it, for example with ui_scale I could see more servers and friends than usual, and it was more comfortable in general its a shame that i cant do it anymore

I think quite some menus were broken with it

Deleted User

i love you

love you too for whatever reason you love me

Indio Picaron

yeeahh i loved it, for example with ui_scale I could see more servers and friends than usual, and it was more comfortable in general its a shame that i cant do it anymore

the scaled server browser does not look to bad