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Between 2022-06-26 00:00:00Z and 2022-06-27 00:00:00Z

Learath2

@heinrich5991 do you still scrape for new maps?

no, not regularly

lmao, who made our CI japanese xD

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[ddnet-scripts:master] 1 new commit

6a8dcc9 Fix code browser build - def-

Yikes

07:00

How would you name asan and ubsan in a consise kebab case?

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5506 Don't register integration test servers

Also print out more of the diff Should help with debugging sporadic failures like https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/runs/7058704316?check_suite_focus=true

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test if it works standalone, system.c especially
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no phy...

07:04

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

a3a85be Remove useless typedef in c++ - Chairn 6315af0 Merge #5504 - bors[bot]

07:04

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #5504 Remove useless typedef in c++

Ryozuki

look who didnt update in a while

I too haven't upgraded a system in a while

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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #3153 CGameWorld::RemoveEntity heap-use-after-free during exit

[ddnet:master] 1 new commit

fc2d419 Version 16.2 - def-

07:49

[ddnet-web:pr-16.2] 1 new commit

fc8d5dc Version 16.2 - def-

justatest

[ddnet-scripts:master] 1 new commit

d2dabf0 rsync tricks - def-

[ddnet:16.2-rc4] 1 new commit

12a5524 Fix win32 discord compilation - def-

[ddnet:master] 17 new commits

167f2af remove tile info messages and freeze/ninja stars for new clients using version checking - C0D3D3V bba5027 show freezebar also inside freeze - C0D3D3V 5cd0cc6 send the weapon the player is really holding (except for ninjajetpack) - C0D3D3V 2475e84 Add extras texture + asset tab - C0D3D3V 51133de Add freezing snow flakes effect and fix 50HZ timer + add 10Hz Timer to particle system - C0D3D3V 44478b1 Add Opacity option for freeze bars inside freeze - C0D3D3V 6e8efa9 Use 0 to 260 degree in Angle display, and do not display decimals of speed in debughd - C0D3D3V 977d7d9 Increase the size of dummy actions - C0D3D3V f28b71d allow the server to also show old HUD elements (by @fokkonaut) - C0D3D3V 781f2e7 add cl_show_jumps_indicator option - C0D3D3V ed2c514 Change help text of cl_asset_extras - C0D3D3V dd1cdfc Add to some of the Sprite Arrays the array prefix - C0D3D3V 6d098d8 Remove ExcludeClientVersionAndHigher from CGameTeams::TeamMask; Add CGameContext::ClientsMaskExcludeClientVersionAndHigher - C0D3D3V d78b3de Revert to using conditions for the version check for capability chat messages; Remove ExcludeClientVersionAndHigher from CGameContext::SendChatTarget - C0D3D3V 4281df2 Add new textures by ravie; Also add no gun hit for teleport gun - C0D3D3V 706a06d clamp m_Armor, to prevent value correction on client side - C0D3D3V 1e31db2 Merge #5420 - bors[bot]

08:11

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #5149 weapon display flickers in freeze

08:11

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #198 Remove all chat messages that we cover with indicators in the HUD

08:11

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #5159 recommendations for the new ddnet hud

08:11

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #198 Remove all chat messages that we cover with indicators in the HUD

08:11

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #5159 recommendations for the new ddnet hud

[ddnet-maps:master] 1 new commit

93d842f M A Strange Dream, M Cemetery, M Generic Fly, M Highlife, M Intercepter, M Just Triple Fly, M Naufrage, M Nightly Tandem, M Stronghold 2, M Stronghold, M Yun Gu 2, M Yun Gu 3, M brainduck, M brainduck2, M nullptr, M TheVoiD, M Huanghu, M Liang, M Nebula, M TakeUrLuggage, A Tied up, M Vice City, M Back in Time 3, M Shockwave, M Aftermath, M Afternoon, A Baerchen, M Canyang, M Clarity, M Coffee I, M Coffee II, A DaoYu Night, M Just HookThrough, M PreciousDream, M SomewhereDistant, M Sunny Land, M Yeyou 1, M Yeyou 2, M Yeyou 3, M Yun Gu, M Absurd 3, M Beyond Light, M Light Grey, M 1Hook, M Aufnahmetest_AE, M Euthanasia, M Run_Aim, M climate-crisis, M frustrainleave, M hotrun, M nameless_run, M run_2Rockets, M run_2rocketstwo, M run_4lollipop, M run_4mystery, M run_4popi, M run_4popo, M run_4tzoy, M run_4xerhul, M run_4xerhul2, M run_FreezyFly, M run_Jellyfish_Fields, M run_alboni, M run_alkohol, M run_antibuguse, M run_birming, M run_birthday, M run_black_white, M run_blood_thirst, M run_blue, M run_crystal, M run_dfc, M run_escape_the_darkness, M run_experience_of_incredibleness, M run_firestorm, M run_for_ghost, M run_from_ice_to_grass, M run_frosty, M run_g6, M run_galaxy, M run_glowing_ice, M run_golden_toilet, M run_granit_stone, M run_grass_hell, M run_groove, M run_hard_hell, M run_hard_hundred, M run_harder_than_hard, M run_heaven_and_hell, M run_hot_or_not, M run_ice_castle, M run_inset_into_the_heavy_jungle, M run_inset_into_the_light, M run_keksi, M run_longWAR, M run_miniatur, M run_nightmare, M run_not_short, M run_out_jungle, M run_painted, M run_pencil, M run_pink.lila, M run_radioactive, M run_redbull, M run_shadow, M run_shutter, M run_skizz_loop1200, M run_skizzpopo, M run_skizzrettex, M run_spring, M run_stoned, M run_three, M run_toxic_green, M run_world_war_zero, M run_yellow_hell, M yoshiloop, M zelda, M 2of4, M 4of4, M Anaphore, M Autumn Sky, M Bullet Master, M DayLight, M GetSpeed 3, M GetSpeed, M GetSpeed2, M Joyride 2, M Killstreak 1, M Kobra 2 Solo, A Lets Climb, M Lonely Swim 3, M Lonely Swim 4, M Lucid Dream, M Mini Zero II, M Nytro, M Race_Sanktoras, M Raid, M SpaceIsKey, M Spallok, M TOPOS, M The Space Station, M Weird Cave, M run_guy_25 - ddnet-maps

[ddnet-scripts:master] 1 new commit

cdd49d0 codebrowser only in nightly - def-

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5507 Fix heap-use-after-free in `CGameWorld::RemoveEntity`

Entities have a pointer to their parent entity. If the parent entity is freed first, then freeing the child will cause access to the already freed parent (at pEnt->m_pParent->m_DestroyTick = GameTick();). This is fixed by adding a child pointer and clearing the child and parent pointers when either child or parent is freed. I can consistently get the crash in CGameWorld::RemoveEntity with the integration test at fbfd938f326390048368bc169442c5e5ba2e42e5 (10/10 runs crashed). With the...

I just noticed there is a Refresh Rate option under General > Client whats the difference to the one in Graphics?

client refresh rate also affects input

09:53

graphics tells how often render calls are actually send to the GPU

09:54

however, client refresh rates also caps FPS, since the client also tells the renderer when to work(if client is not active, renderer cannot start either) (edited)

09:55

but it can e.g. happen that the GPU isnt ready, so client refresh rate can cause less FPS then what your set the clients refresh rate to

09:55

any graphics refresh rate with client refresh rate of 0, should result in pretty accurate the FPS u want

09:55

the opposite is not the case

wow, thanks for explanation, maybe that's something for the wiki?

Jupstar ✪

client refresh rate also affects input

what is the use case for it? why do we have 2 option :d

yeah its more technical aspect tho

nori

what is the use case for it? why do we have 2 option :d

depending on your computer, using 100% on a single CPU core can cause fans to spin

09:59

so some ppl dislike it

on a different note: in rc4 i cant see dummy actions, jump indicator and the weapon/state indicators in the hud except the old ones. I'm pretty sure it worked in rc3

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@c0d3d3v

you can't add strong or weak hook too here?

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10:06

for who hold hooking you right now

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5508 Update language files for 16.2-rc4

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test if it works standalone, system.c especially
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-addresssanitizer--u...

hussainx3

you can't add strong or weak hook too here?

u can use cl_nameplates_strong 1

hussainx3

for who hold hooking you right now

i think that would add even more confusion

it shows strong/weak in nameplates

in language files, do the words in [] brackets need to be translated as well?

[Ingame controller mode] Absolute

Jupstar ✪

it shows strong/weak in nameplates

looks nice but feel annoying bcs it's already arrows moving there

10:24

this looks so much things above every tee

bencie

in language files, do the words in [] brackets need to be translated as well?

[Ingame controller mode] Absolute

i think they are context

10:25

e.g. if u in control settings sometimes some languages have same word with different meanings

[ddnet-scripts:master] 1 new commit

2de358e cd - def-

absolute controler vs absolute it a global sense... stuff like that

Yeah makes sense, thanks

@c0d3d3v cannot see ninja weapon skin on 16.2 client version it worked yesterday and today its just gone

wotefek

11:41

cinnematic ddrace

11:41

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it almost looks better without the texture https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1656244446.png

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11:54

might have get used to it but the flakes seem a bit unteeish or not simple enough

nothing

@c0d3d3v cannot see ninja weapon skin on 16.2 client version it worked yesterday and today its just gone

fixed by updating (appears to be a problem with rc2 only)

murpi

fixed by updating (appears to be a problem with rc2 only)

im on rc5 and i cant see katana in freeze as well, is this intended? I see when i have the actual katana tho

Dragere

im on rc5 and i cant see katana in freeze as well, is this intended? I see when i have the actual katana tho

uhm, theres no rc5

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/releases/tag/16.2-rc5 seems to be just a translation update

Release 16.2-rc5 · ddnet/ddnet

Update language files for 16.2-rc4

Dragere

im on rc5 and i cant see katana in freeze as well, is this intended? I see when i have the actual katana tho

do you have this problem on all servers? What is cl_show_ninja set to? Try removing your old version and download the latest version in #announcements [https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/420565311863914496/986416911195729931]

Either rc4 or rc5 broke the HUD for me with Vulkan renderer

12:15

Scrumplex

Click to see attachment 🖼️

(those gray tiles on the lower left quarter)

murpi

do you have this problem on all servers? What is cl_show_ninja set to? Try removing your old version and download the latest version in #announcements [https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/420565311863914496/986416911195729931]

on kog everthing seems to be the old way (no freezebar etc, i see katana), on all ddnet servers i dont see katana. cl_show_ninja is 1, i use steam for the release canditate, but i have a "normal" copy for the stable game. i use vulkan too btw

I got nothing better to do, so I am going to bisect my issue above

Scrumplex

Either rc4 or rc5 broke the HUD for me with Vulkan renderer

i just tried, it is working for me :\

hmm weird

Dragere

on kog everthing seems to be the old way (no freezebar etc, i see katana), on all ddnet servers i dont see katana. cl_show_ninja is 1, i use steam for the release canditate, but i have a "normal" copy for the stable game. i use vulkan too btw

can you try the build in #announcements anyway? maybe the build on steam is corrupt or something weird happened whilst updating

Dragere

on kog everthing seems to be the old way (no freezebar etc, i see katana), on all ddnet servers i dont see katana. cl_show_ninja is 1, i use steam for the release canditate, but i have a "normal" copy for the stable game. i use vulkan too btw

isn't it intended?

Dragere

on a different note: in rc4 i cant see dummy actions, jump indicator and the weapon/state indicators in the hud except the old ones. I'm pretty sure it worked in rc3

when using openGL instead of vulkan i dont have this issue

[quakenet] ChillerDragon

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this is how it is now

i have this issue too

12:22

i also told him here to ask codedev

murpi

can you try the build in #announcements anyway? maybe the build on steam is corrupt or something weird happened whilst updating

same behavior: with vulkan the hud is broken with openGL it seems to work, if the missing katana in freeze is intended

weird, @nothing are you using opengl or vulkan? (edited)

but the ninja thing is completly gone for me

12:25

for opengl and vulkan

well openGL 3.3.0 doesnt work either for me, only 1.4 and 3.0

@c0d3d3v ^

now I am getting

[2022-06-26 14:28:46][gfx]: Created Vulkan 1.0 context.
[2022-06-26 14:28:46][vulkan]: vulkan error: A shader file could not load correctly
[2022-06-26 14:28:46][vulkan]: vulkan error: A shader file could not load correctly
[2022-06-26 14:28:46][vulkan]: vulkan error: A shader file could not load correctly
[2022-06-26 14:28:46][vulkan]: vulkan error: A shader file could not load correctly
[2022-06-26 14:28:46][vulkan]: vulkan error: A shader file could not load correctly
[2022-06-26 14:28:46][vulkan]: vulkan error: A shader file could not load correctly

12:29

:(

12:29

oh

@Scrumplex are you using old rc version?

okay

12:30

no the issue was that I didn't run DDNet from the build directory

12:30

weird?

12:30

So the Vulkan shaders are loaded relative to CWD?

do you need to? i don't run it from build dir :d

but all the other assets are fine?

lemme try

they are part of data dir

12:30

but build data dir

12:31

to be precise

But every asset loads fine, so I would assume that the path resolving for the shaders doesn't work the same?

show what paths are getting chosen for the data dir

maybe the other assets are loaded based on the location of the binary? (edited)

maybe it uses a different path than u expect

oh it uses "data"

12:31

Oh makes sense

nori

lemme try

nah i don't have it, hud renders well

im using opengl 3.30

The repo itself also has most of the data at that location

@murpi

nothing

im using opengl 3.30

try 3.0

Dragere

try 3.0

its was on rc2 and it works again on rc4

okay now my git bisection works :D (edited)

12:34

79bf01b7d0561cde34f0431ee4641b1dc2c0bb5c is the first bad commit

12:34

let me verify thatt

12:35

yep that's the one

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5416/commits/79bf01b7d0561cde34f0431ee4641b1dc2c0bb5c

# bad: [12a5524febe807900e5e52c4cbeb445fb79d72e4] Fix win32 discord compilation
# good: [be4ae021e5f7c1e9eac461ca1dad116feb0d2871] Update Brazilian Portuguese translation (supersedes #5304)
git bisect start '16.2-rc4' '16.2-rc3'
# bad: [c084d528868c41c0b0590468de1a94ee97bc0395] Add Opacity option for freeze bars inside freeze
git bisect bad c084d528868c41c0b0590468de1a94ee97bc0395
# bad: [4ee11581678b7c17cbaa8fbe95d3ee0d5f495c7a] remove tile info messages and freeze/ninja stars for new clients using version checking
git bisect bad 4ee11581678b7c17cbaa8fbe95d3ee0d5f495c7a
# good: [62e1c6a4c9db81a3a8f1c872b547d8b36720d79a] Update spanish.txt
git bisect good 62e1c6a4c9db81a3a8f1c872b547d8b36720d79a
# bad: [d0c1edcd8ffaf3ab1ace32cb830d09aefb2943bc] Revert "Build our own drmingw with mingw"
git bisect bad d0c1edcd8ffaf3ab1ace32cb830d09aefb2943bc
# bad: [79bf01b7d0561cde34f0431ee4641b1dc2c0bb5c] Let the server decide which hud to display
git bisect bad 79bf01b7d0561cde34f0431ee4641b1dc2c0bb5c
# first bad commit: [79bf01b7d0561cde34f0431ee4641b1dc2c0bb5c] Let the server decide which hud to display

when i use vulkan if i switch workspace it automatically resize to the lower resolution, it only happens in vulkan @Jupstar ✪

then make a bug report on sway

12:38

vk only resizes, when it receives events to resize

12:38

never on its own

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5416#issuecomment-1166495301

Version 16.2 by def- · Pull Request #5416 · ddnet/ddnet

DDNet 16.2 is supposed to release in 1 week, assuming no bad bugs are found. Please test the Release Candidate to prevent problems being only discovered after release. Report bugs in the #bugs chan...

yet another bug

12:40

btw the bug vulkan on wayland thing magically fixed itself without update

im a bit suprised that wayland is still so unstable

Jupstar ✪

im a bit suprised that wayland is still so unstable

it is

i mean its still kinda new, but also not really new

maybe sdl related

12:40

i don't have issues on other apps and games

tbh, Wayland has been working flawlessly for me. Only thing that's still a bit wonky is SteamVR, but that's probably SteamVR's fault

i dunno, i had good performance, but generally the experience wasnt that good yet

@Scrumplex but do you use wayland backend?

crashes, weird resizes, wrong resolutions, etc.

or xwayland

nori

@Scrumplex but do you use wayland backend?

for SteamVR?

12:41

or DDnet?

no ddnet

I think xwayland

if you don't launch with SDL_VIDEODRIVER=wayland then it is xwayland

I have SDL_VIDEODRIVER=wayland globally, but set it to x11 for Steam games I think

btw SDL tried to default to wayland but reverted it, bcs too many issues for users

afaik mainly bcs of nvidia

anyway, i kinda dont see whats going wrong with resizes, especially since switching workspaces sounds like some special case xd

but it fixes itself if i double press win + f which is switches to windowed and back to fullscreen

Just tried the wayland video driver and switching workspaces works for me

what are you using as dm/wm?

u also on sway?

yes

hmm

lmao

built from master though

but u also on RDNA2 right? (edited)

nope

ok

Scrumplex

built from master though

same

Vega 56

i wonder if it could be a driver bug

12:46

so confusing

when in doubt -> mesa

Jupstar ✪

i wonder if it could be a driver bug

probably iy is

12:46

it is*

12:46

it is always mesa :D

i'd expect a surface change is only triggered by the WM

what Mesa version are you on @nori

@nori with dbg_gfx 4 u can see what vk is doing

21.1.1

e.g. "VK_ERROR_OUT_OF_DATE_KHR" should print "dbg_msg("vulkan", "recreating swap chain requested by acquire next image (prepare frame).");"

I am on 22.1.2

12:48

no additional log output for me when switching workspaces with dbg_gfx 4 (edited)

i tested with 22.2 with RDNA but on KDE, had no real issues there as far as i remember

12:48

dbg_gfx

Jupstar ✪

@nori with dbg_gfx 4 u can see what vk is doing

it can't even resize itself bcs it is 1 fps xD

oh

Jupstar ✪

dbg_gfx

(yes, typo in Discord, I did have other vulkan debug in log :D)

try dbg_gfx 3

12:50

thats only verbose information no validation layers

maybe bcs there is not much ppl using my graphic card :d

12:50

renoir

12:51

always having weirdest bugs

Well discrete Vega GPUs are also kinda rare

12:51

Though there are many Vega iGPUs I would assume

i had vega past 5 years

12:52

so the vk stuff was deved on it hehe

12:52

u are premium member

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Scrumplex

Well discrete Vega GPUs are also kinda rare

it is integrated

Vulkan reports my card as "AMD RADV VEGA10"

iGPUs are always trouble makers

can't find that on Steam hwsurvey :D

Scrumplex

Vulkan reports my card as "AMD RADV VEGA10"

yeah

Jupstar ✪

iGPUs are always trouble makers

but not nvidia optimum :d i thought it is better on full amd pc

yeah nvidia optimus is bs

12:54

btw maybe no significant, but i also tested VK on 2 android phones

12:54

and android drivers are the only thing worse than OpenGL drivers on macos xd

Looks like "Vega 8" is the only mention of Vega in hwsurvey :(

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Jupstar ✪

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are you looking at all stats or just Linux stats? (edited)

Indirect leak of 132 byte(s) in 1 object(s) allocated from:
    #0 0x4e130f in malloc (/home/arda/ddnet/build/DDNet+0x4e130f)
    #1 0x7f108fa8e973  (/usr/lib/libSDL2-2.0.so.0+0x9d973)
    #2 0x9b6c08 in CCommandProcessorFragment_SDL::RunCommand(CCommandBuffer::SCommand const*) /home/arda/ddnet/src/engine/client/backend_sdl.cpp:230:17
    #3 0x9b73ac in CCommandProcessor_SDL_GL::RunBuffer(CCommandBuffer*) /home/arda/ddnet/src/engine/client/backend_sdl.cpp:251:12
    #4 0x9b31c8 in CGraphicsBackend_Threaded::ThreadFunc(void*) /home/arda/ddnet/src/engine/client/backend_sdl.cpp:77:25
    #5 0x1dc0663 in thread_run(void*) /home/arda/ddnet/src/base/system.cpp:721:2
    #6 0x7f108d4c9ead in start_thread /builddir/glibc-2.32/nptl/pthread_create.c:463:8

this leak is not ddnet related right?

Scrumplex

are you looking at all stats or just Linux stats? (edited)

all

12:56

ok it says "VULKAN SYSTEMS (LINUX OR POST-XP WINDOWS WITH VULKAN GPU)" in the headline xD

12:56

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/directx/

12:57

but the URL says directx xD

VULKAN!

Jupstar ✪

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/directx/

Wait, it's all NVIDIA? Always has been

yeah nvidias marketshare is insane

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/users/statistics/#GPUVendor-top

User stats | GamingOnLinux

Statistics generated from the users of the GamingOnLinux website

12:59

It isn't so insane for Linux

12:59

(though these numbers could be biased)

yeah bcs nvidia on linux sucks hard xD

Radeon RX Vega 56: 43 (2.1%) Difference: (-4.44% overall, -2 people)

nvidia was the reason i switched back from linux to windows for a while

I am one of those 43 ppl!

when i had my gtx 760

nori

Indirect leak of 132 byte(s) in 1 object(s) allocated from:
    #0 0x4e130f in malloc (/home/arda/ddnet/build/DDNet+0x4e130f)
    #1 0x7f108fa8e973  (/usr/lib/libSDL2-2.0.so.0+0x9d973)
    #2 0x9b6c08 in CCommandProcessorFragment_SDL::RunCommand(CCommandBuffer::SCommand const*) /home/arda/ddnet/src/engine/client/backend_sdl.cpp:230:17
    #3 0x9b73ac in CCommandProcessor_SDL_GL::RunBuffer(CCommandBuffer*) /home/arda/ddnet/src/engine/client/backend_sdl.cpp:251:12
    #4 0x9b31c8 in CGraphicsBackend_Threaded::ThreadFunc(void*) /home/arda/ddnet/src/engine/client/backend_sdl.cpp:77:25
    #5 0x1dc0663 in thread_run(void*) /home/arda/ddnet/src/base/system.cpp:721:2
    #6 0x7f108d4c9ead in start_thread /builddir/glibc-2.32/nptl/pthread_create.c:463:8

this leak is not ddnet related right?

Not unless the sdl call is something that requires cleanup we missed

Jupstar ✪

yeah bcs nvidia on linux sucks hard xD

i actually had less problem with nvidia on linux before :d

but tbf that was like ~8 years ago

but it is nice to have fhd terminal at boot

and it was on gnome, gnome itself is a reason to not use linux xD

Scrumplex

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/users/statistics/#GPUVendor-top

whats actually interesting is that there are around as much 60hz users as there are non 60hz users

Jupstar ✪

whats actually interesting is that there are around as much 60hz users as there are non 60hz users

in this biased data set yes

13:03

only people who are really into Linux and tech will probably have an account at GOL and provide their system info there

true

So these numbers are probably mostly from the Linux enthusiast segment

13:04

like, 8% of Linux gamers have a Valve Index specifically? highly doubt that :D (edited)

xD

13:04

i dont have one xD

13:04

now i have to buy one to be cool

And who even uses linux. It's like selection bias squared

true, I run TempleOS's kernel

13:05

way better

Are you proficient in HolyC?

Of course. I already ported DDnet to HolyC

why there is xfce under wayland desktops? :d

13:06

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lol

13:07

or cinnamon

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just kexec your brain

13:15

easy

i solved most of my puzzles during sleep xd

why is the freeze so weird?

13:29

in new nightly

13:32

please revert the changes, the freeze looks too weird xD

So weird is 10/10 feedback. We'll try to unweird it

lets wait for codedev anyway

13:34

maybe its a bug if it worked yesterday

Jupstar ✪

maybe its a bug if it worked yesterday

No it's not a bug, it's weird

new freeze is indeed weird + lettins us choose between the freeze bar or stars would be nice

freeze bar is way better than stars but my main problem is now that the freeze bar constantly moves while in freeze and that my tee looks crippled without his ninja sword

13:45

and the snowflake particles are maybe too much

qweeeeeeed

new freeze is indeed weird + lettins us choose between the freeze bar or stars would be nice

yeah freezebar is weird, maybe snowflake particles could vanish over time act like a freeze timer

ye i was trying to remove them but couldnt

Iza

freeze bar is way better than stars but my main problem is now that the freeze bar constantly moves while in freeze and that my tee looks crippled without his ninja sword

weird thing is having ninja skin without sword :D maybe skin should change too or smth else

yeah thats indeed the weird part

13:48

rest is just displaying information differently

the stars were much better

idk tbh just completely revert the changes, how it was the day before xD

Iza

idk tbh just completely revert the changes, how it was the day before xD

i mean if you wanna stay with old interface totally, you can use older client :d

jjust make it an option

it has nothing to do with old interface

nori

i mean if you wanna stay with old interface totally, you can use older client :d

no, don‘t use old client. we won‘t keep supporting old versions

i play with nightly and i loved all the changes until this newest update today

but i agree some changes are weird

13:50

freezebar etc

havent played with it yet, so dont want to judge, but sometimes it also just getting used to it

Jupstar ✪

havent played with it yet, so dont want to judge, but sometimes it also just getting used to it

i agree but i prefer teeish way to do that

Mh, maybe we should have called a visual freeze on the hud when we did the rc, only bug fixes after that and new visuals we could get in a minor bump

i dont get why the freeze bar appears now in freeze

13:52

its a little irritating

Jupstar ✪

havent played with it yet, so dont want to judge, but sometimes it also just getting used to it

i mean old way is weird too, showing ninja for freeze xd

Iza

i dont get why the freeze bar appears now in freeze

People were missing the stars showing you are still frozen I guess

nori

i mean old way is weird too, showing ninja for freeze xd

yes a well designed skin can make it cooler imo

13:53

ninja skin without ninja weapon looks weird i agree with that

it was all perfect for me before todays update

Iza

it was all perfect for me before todays update

its not yet released, so can still change

13:55

for now lets wait until codedev comes online, who knows what he planned, he read lot of discussion probably already

alright

where is hud?

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Now that is a good bugreport :D

σℓí♡

where is hud?

broken with Vulkan

13:59

(if you are on rc4 or later)

rc4

14:00

let me sec

it worked in rc3 :D

14:00

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5416#issuecomment-1166521291

Version 16.2 by def- · Pull Request #5416 · ddnet/ddnet

DDNet 16.2 is supposed to release in 1 week, assuming no bad bugs are found. Please test the Release Candidate to prevent problems being only discovered after release. Report bugs in the #bugs chan...

opengl 3.3.0 no hud

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oh hmm

on 3 0 0 fine

14:01

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rofl, just tested rc5, it erased my config when i copied files over...

also broken with GLES

Learath2

Now that is a good bugreport :D

create issue?

σℓí♡

create issue?

I already commented in the pull request for 16.2

Scrumplex

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5416#issuecomment-1166521291

^

ok

σℓí♡

create issue?

You can just comment on the rc PR but I think it's known

Chairn

rofl, just tested rc5, it erased my config when i copied files over...

This is one thing I want to make major improvements on. CStorage and CConfig are very suboptimal

Learath2

This is one thing I want to make major improvements on. CStorage and CConfig are very suboptimal

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/3012

Settings file is overwritten even if it is a symlink · Issue #3012 ...

When creating a symlink at ~/.teeworlds/settings_ddnet.cfg and then starting and quitting the game the symlink gets removed and is replaced by the updated config file. Interestingly this does not h...

How do you think about on/off stars. That is, make a choice of on/off stars and on/off frz bar

We are trying to have less options if at all possible

IMO the freeze-bar isn't really telling you anything important when you are in freeze

without stars kolobok(tee) seems so lonely

14:06

The more options we have the harder it is to maintain. The nameplate above tees covered the directional buttons for years at some scales and it was just never really fixed

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Yeah it is not wise to add legacy option for every new feature

Scrumplex

IMO the freeze-bar isn't really telling you anything important when you are in freeze

I sort of agree, I've however been a little hands off on this feature so idk what decisions they went through

Scrumplex

IMO the freeze-bar isn't really telling you anything important when you are in freeze

True

Freeze particles probably tell enough that we should be able to disable the bar if the timer isn't decreasing

lol, i got weird patch on ym screen

14:11

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14:11

looks like its the HUD trying to show jumps tatus

14:11

it changes when i jump and dj

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #5509 weird patch on screen

!image Looks like it's the HUD showing jump status as it changes when i jump. On Vulkan rc5. @C0D3D3V

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Seems the HUD pr also ended up with a fairly complex snapshot change in it :/

this happens right during the game

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σℓí♡

this happens right during the game

yea scurmplex also had it

oh ok sry

@Scrumplex did you open a issue about it? or comment? (edited)

i did

Learath2

This is one thing I want to make major improvements on. CStorage and CConfig are very suboptimal

would be nice to have a beta channel for update

Chairn

would be nice to have a beta channel for update

Idk what a beta channel would entail

Chairn

rofl, just tested rc5, it erased my config when i copied files over...

the config in appdata?

RCs are supposed to be safe(tm)

Jupstar ✪

the config in appdata?

yup

can u reproduce that?

but i copied files manually

but appdata should have nothing to do with rest of the client

i forgot about this, but usually i only copy .exe, .dll

14:21

i use $datadir rather than $userdir

also the client never writes to settings directly so only case i can see is that it didnt load the old config

demos were taking too much place on my C: disk

how should that ever fail

i copied files manually

it uses %appdata%/ddnet now

ctrl c/ctrl v

if thats the problem

that's how i erased settings.cfg

14:22

but i had a copy somewhere

ok

chillerdragon

and this is how it looks like in matrix https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1656174581.png

thanks

there is the most wanted person

pff. I guess it is fokkonauts commit

14:52

or is master also broken?

14:53

I can try to force push to https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5416 ^^ but I guess deen has to make the release candidate

Version 16.2 by def- · Pull Request #5416 · ddnet/ddnet

DDNet 16.2 is supposed to release in 1 week, assuming no bad bugs are found. Please test the Release Candidate to prevent problems being only discovered after release. Report bugs in the #bugs chan...

why is it related to the renderer tho XD

UB time?

Jupstar ✪

why is it related to the renderer tho XD

he does overwrite quads (edited)

15:01

I guess that can lead to UB

15:01

do not know

15:01

have not looked into the stuff that happens when you create a quad

15:02

I test the branch localy, and then remove his commit to see if it works

well if the commit also was client side its ok to fail i guess

Jupstar ✪

well if the commit also was client side its ok to fail i guess

without the commit it works for me

@Jupstar ✪ btw if you have free time

you could review https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5210 that should also be part of 16.2 ... at least heinrich want it

16:18

mh have to rebase anyway

c0d3d3v

@Jupstar ✪ btw if you have free time

you could review https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5210 that should also be part of 16.2 ... at least heinrich want it

cant read python

Iza

i dont get why the freeze bar appears now in freeze

freeze bars look so unteeish

17:06

but i dont play much anymore so i wont say much

17:06

coffee

Jupstar ✪

for now lets wait until codedev comes online, who knows what he planned, he read lot of discussion probably already

he read lot of discussion probably already

xD I basically have skipped all conversation ^^ I had no time. Anything important ?

i mean many ppl suggested having option for freeze stars etc.

But I guess the idea with removing the freeze bar and waiting for some better idea is not to bad

not today

17:28

but before

@Ravie how strong are you for freezebar. I do not even know if it was your idea entirely or we somehow come up with this together when we talked first time about the new HUD

if people don't like it then it can go, but I don't think there's any better way to represent freeze time

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countdown timer next to tee with millisecond precision troll

troll

louis

countdown timer next to tee with millisecond precision troll

troll

you mean with tick percission

counting from 150 to 0

convert from tick to μs irl

sound that cannot be turned off, and makes heartbeats

17:36

https://youtu.be/tXA_B0sv30Q?t=49 i also want this sound

Aokiji - ICE.. AGE.

17:36

when tee gets frozen

Ravie

if people don't like it then it can go, but I don't think there's any better way to represent freeze time

we could use snow particles like stars :d

the stars are actually obnoxious, it's just that we're all used to them

Ravie

the stars are actually obnoxious, it's just that we're all used to them

I got some requests for changes to the settings page... I guess I will make the opacity for freezebar inside freeze to 0 default. If I'm fast enough this can also get into 16.2

because we still need to add https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/5210 (edited)

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #5510 Add player effect sound

On Discord someone requested to add a new sound for player effects. Since we do now nolonger send chat messages if a player effect changes there is no chat sound. (Effects like, solo, jetpack, endeless jumps,...) (I personally do not even have chat sound (server message sound) on, so I did not get a sound anyway. I find them pretty anoying)

It should be possible to turn off the sound.

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #5339 Should we make cl_show_others default on?

The stars are hit indicators, they actually look wrong af. We have stockholm syndrome from seeing them for a decade

I just prefer how they work, they don't follow the tee, and they're not visible 100% of the time

Maybe the new snow particles could act like the old stars and we add an option to turn off the bar for people who hate the bar and the hardcore traditionalist people can just replace the freeze particle with a star

I replaced the free particle with a leaf feelsamazingman

feelsamazingman

18:46

I'm just forcing myself to get used to the freezebar atm, I think the tee not having a weapon out is more jarring

I must've missed that change happening, can you show what it looks like?

Don't mind my custom stuff, but ya, no katana

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Heh, that does look a little jarring

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #5478 Game crashes when i join Back in Time 3

18:49

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #4317 Crash with snapshots

18:49

[ddnet:master] 3 new commits

2df4c4c Fix heap-use-after-free in CGameWorld::RemoveEntity - Robyt3 8eb1f68 Refactoring: use CGameWorld::Clear in CGameWorld::CopyWorld - Robyt3 80e6391 Merge #5507 - bors[bot]

18:49

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #4328 heap-use-after-free in demo player

i use cl showninja 0 so i wonder if it will just look like a normal tee lol

it does

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5511 Rename cl_show_quads -> cl_quads

To reenable quads for everyone who accidentally disabled it or has the bind to accidentally disable them

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test if it works standalone, system.c especially
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested ...

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tbh the ninja and sword feel like one entity. having no sword makes it feel like its kind of armless?

change the starts to weed

19:15

420 ddnet

19:15

stars

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5512 Update traditional_chinese.txt

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test if it works standalone, system.c especially
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-addresssanitizer--u...

19:59

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5513 Update simplified_chinese.txt

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test if it works standalone, system.c especially
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-addresssanitizer--u...

am i stupid or is there no way to tell when a tee unfreezes without freezebar now?

20:36

the star timer could be reproduced with the snowflakes that would be nice :)

[quakenet] ChillerDragon

am i stupid or is there no way to tell when a tee unfreezes without freezebar now?

there is no way w/out freezebar

vruh

20:47

this feels so wrong

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5514 Update menu music state when the config variables change via console, various refactoring

Also update the background music when snd_enable or snd_enable_music change via console or bind. Closes #2911. For this purpose, add IsPlaying method to engine sound and client sound component to check whether a specific sound sample is already playing. Various refactoring in engine sound.

Checklist

[X] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a u...

Learath2

Heh, that does look a little jarring

finally, people see my thoughts too

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5515 Include config info in help

So it is clear what the default is !screenshot-20220627@000811 !screenshot-20220627@000545 !screenshot-20220627@000519

Checklist

[x] Tested the change ingame
[x] Pr...

those are some pretty graphs

22:28

atleast its not a flat line! ;p

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5516 Abort skin downloads too (fixes #5505)

Checklist

[x] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test if it works standalone, system.c especially
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-addresssanitizer--u...

rofl we have an spy as contributor ^^spy090@yandex.ru

22:32

@ДяДя_ДеН

22:32

how can we add tooltips to DoButton_CheckBoxAutoVMarginAndSet

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

2c6e9cf Update traditional_chinese.txt - Cheeser0613 ca5a695 Merge #5512 - bors[bot]

22:36

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #5512 Update traditional_chinese.txt

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #5517 Add APPEARANCE Settings page

This could potentially also be added to 16.2 I also renamed cl_ddrace_hud to cl_showhud_ddrace and cl_show_jumps_indicator to cl_showhud_jumps_indicator I guess that fits better the pattern of the other configs. !grafik !grafik ![grafik](https://user-images.githubuse...

22:49

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

1d1d1fd Update simplified_chinese.txt - Cheeser0613 3e54b35 Merge #5513 - bors[bot]

22:49

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #5513 Update simplified_chinese.txt

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

4733cdc Abort skin downloads too (fixes #5505) - def- c61e649 Merge #5516 - bors[bot]

23:16

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #5505 AddressSanitizer on client close

23:16

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #5516 Abort skin downloads too (fixes #5505)

[ddnet:master] 3 new commits

b1d1bb6 Don't register integration test servers - def- 3a8c5e3 Also copy autoexec_server.cfg to build dir - def- 6ec8bdb Merge #5506 - bors[bot]

23:29

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #5506 Don't register integration test servers

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