Community Novice Rerates
Map Name,Current Rating,Revised Rating 1,Rerated By 1,Notes 1,Revised Rating 2,Rerated By 2,Notes 2
Info: If a map seems to be a different difficulty level than its rating, post a revised rating here. Maps should have 2 rerates just to make sure we agree on the rerating....
20:52
i may just continue rerating but i wanted input first. if we're concerned that this criteria is making too many maps moderate, we should consider bumping maps that are not faily like Lavender Forest down to 4*
20:52
and reserve faily-but-not-moderate novice maps for 5* only
20:53
I just think if the modern 5* are SUPPOSED to be 5* we can't justify like half of the maps staying in novice. and i want the community to be aware of that in case it's an issue
20:53
we could also like, make certain novice maps less faily. which does not affect ranks at all but would at least help them stay novice
20:54
like adding tele to freeze faily parts
20:54
but i know editing old maps is like sacrilege to older players
20:56
for example, the thing that stands out to me the most is maps where there is a simple hook that if missed, nearly guarantees that the run is failed with 2 noobs (ie. hammer hit that no noobs would have the skill for or require some combination of save logic that only older players would possess)(edited)
yea but literally the first part has to be explained
21:01
to any noobs
21:01
ive played it enough with noobs to know
21:01
that's why i think i agree with you on the Beginner category
21:02
moving a lot of the actually good Novice maps there and keeping these not-quite-mod maps as is
21:02
but creates problems because.... points
21:02
no room for adjustment
21:03
we should at least consider bumping genequex to 5 because it has that one swing part and is long
21:03
i dont think it's "barely" harder than SSU
21:03
it feels like a 5* to me
21:03
i mean we have Sketch and Lav for 5* lol
21:04
hard maps in a brain way but not faily
21:04
well I guess Sketch is slightly faily if you're not paying attention(edited)
21:04
this is why we have lots of issues in Novice
21:04
we have reasonings for all kinds of placements and there is no unified criteria
21:04
even in the same era
21:05
i don't think there is a 2 star gap between SSU and LF especially if we're considering space for other maps like MagiK
21:05
And is Sketch hard in the same way that LF is hard? do we need more sophisticated criteria to resolve this?
21:06
I think it's easier to rate mod/brutal maps because the same kinds of things are objectively easy/hard but things that are easy/hard for noobs can differ wildly, with how much can/can't be in the maps
21:07
that's why I think length matters at least a little for novice. If a noob rq a 4* because it was 2 hours long, i can totally understand that
we just need room. or decimal points but i hate that idea
21:09
i think we should stop making long novice maps lol. especially if we want to keep new players
21:09
and to be fair, i think we have been doing that already
21:10
or in the case of Beginner maps, have more strict criteria of what makes something Beginner. none of those maps should cause players to quit, only put our best there and give new players an idea of the true game, not our influenced/actualized difficulty
yea cus i think even if a map is ez we should only put maps we really really want to show noobs. i know it's super biased but it might be better for the playerbase
21:17
er maybe that's just perma, and we put any map in beginner otherwise
