DDraceNetwork - general

@.pet eu te amo petzin quer te dar um abraço

00:15

Fica de boa

00:15

Te abraçar

Bingus

01:13

@everyone (edited)

Luiz1

@.pet eu te amo petzin quer te dar um abraço

I love you ❤️

I two

can some1 help me find a map

no reason to write it in three seperate channels

02:31

describe the map

sorry

02:36

its called aip race

02:36

not aip gores

02:36

some1 once told me the map name but i forgot

02:36

gnc something

02:38

hope u can help

https://ddnet.tw/maps/GHB-95-DDrace

02:39

@destro

legend

02:40

ur a legend

02:40

thank you

02:41

howecome they made the map a solo map though is there a non slol version for it

ghb_ddrace was probably the original version so ddnet didn't see potential to release a duplicate map with less stages with only 2parts that needed co-operation

is there a way to change that?

02:47

thanks for your time your a boss

you can always edit ghb_ddrace to remove the solo and host it on your own if you want to play it with your friends or you can ask @heinrich5991 if he has the map aip-race in his collection

thanks dude i messaged him. i wish i new how to edit n do all that i would in heart beat

02:53

the way they made the map is so bad they changed it completly n made it solo dont understand y they would do that was never like that when i played this map back in 2009

02:53

so bleak

AIP-Race.map

398.48 KB

04:18

thx for the epilipsy attack i just wanted to spectate

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yes?

APFFF

@Tsin Why are DDmax maps so much better than DDnet maps? (edited)

what an opportunity, what shall I write here tee_thinking

so maybe this =] because originality was, is and always will be better from a cheap copy. troll

(let the flame begin ^^)

is the server down?

05:58

i cant play now

Broso56

One message ever. Til the end of time.

uwu

06:11

i should be winning this vote by a long shot!

Does it make a difference for pseudo-fly whether I hit first and then hook, or hook first and then hit?

06:23

I just can't figure out how to do it.

Happy Birthday, N9 @RonIn (edited)

Salmonιa

Does it make a difference for pseudo-fly whether I hit first and then hook, or hook first and then hit?

Do them at pretty much the same time but hammer slightly before hook

oi

Happy creation day @RonIn thinkingbot

Cipy29

Do them at pretty much the same time but hammer slightly before hook

I can't do pseudo fly, it looks like I'll never be a pussy master

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@Plant coradax still better than u

08:58

regarding the discussion in #showroom it might be interesting to have a second leaderboard that only has real person ranks and not dummy ranks, however correct me if im wrong, its not too many maps that are r1'd with dummy no? also which one would be considered the main leaderboard (that displays with /top5 or /top5team) is another question

09:16

also if its even possible in the first place

09:16

which i doubt (edited)

No

Dummy gives u Advantages on some things but also disadvantages on other techniques

09:19

Its pretty fair

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09:20

also its imposible to distinguish them

Dummy good

honestly though the whole situation is a mess, you nerf/change dummy you invalidate all old ranks made with dummy, which seems to be a no-go. As far as i know there is no way to tell with 100% accuracy if a rank is made with dummy or not so no seperate leaderboards either. just seems like another problem that you cant really fix since its been rooted in ddnet for years, atleast for the most part

there is no mess

09:20

only bad dummy players

well not a mess i guess

@RonIn с др n9lllka

but if it were, there is no easy solution lol

yeah

gerdoe

@RonIn с др n9lllka

#off-topic

09:22

ryo for mod

no

there is so many dummy players in usa its insane

moddest troll and trollest mod

you join a server and not a single person plays with any other person its just their dummy

gerdoe

ryo for mod

NO

dont allow dummys to cross startline if >10players in t0

america is not my problem

09:22

that would mean he would stop being based and becoming an abusing sjw troll again

i wont ever be a mod again dont worry

09:23

why would i waste my time

09:23

i prefer to play dotka

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Ryozuki

i wont ever be a mod again dont worry

Ok Skeith

Ryozuki

america is not my problem

they running usa servers with small amount of players and refused to host ural servers back in time xd

09:24

btw not that bad but its kinda funny

ᶰ°Konͧsti

Ok Skeith

is skeith a mod again? xd

Ryozuki

is skeith a mod again? xd

Not yet

Ryozuki

why would i waste my time

u wouldn't thats the only reason troll

(edited)

People will stop dummy on their own

no frens -> dummy player

09:25

sad truth

I were playing dummy only too but now i dont even play t0 maps with dummy anymore

im blocking t0 with dummy until politic changes

1

More fun with real player cuz im sick of doing shitty drag parts with 2 player movement with dummy

btw is lwai the player from the aimbot map video?

depends on who is playing

who tf is bluer

09:27

and why is he so pro

its gruik

who is gruik

09:27

xd

09:28

oh some french guy

09:28

@ᶰ°Konͧsti lola still on the team rank leaderboard

09:28

Ryozuki

who is gruik

some time ago, almost everyone was gruik

Yuzu

its gruik

wait is bluer the next gruik

i thought he was lwai

09:29

but idk

Ryozuki

i thought he was lwai

its limer

who tf is limer

bluer

gerdoe

@RonIn с др n9lllka

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09:30

bluer's profile XD

this newcomer needs a price

its lwai no worries

ah ok

09:31

lwai too pro

i guess the 300 most active tees are played by 25 people xD

not most active but most pro

09:33

the most active are chinese players

09:33

true

09:34

i guess the most active 10.000 tees in china are played by 100.000 people

09:36

when the chinese community starts mapping, the testers will implode lol

idk how they can submit them

09:37

since discord is not available in china

09:37

maybe its time to roll out our own map testing platform

09:38

some kind of website

09:38

xd

isnt there a bridge between discord and whatever thing they talk on?

09:38

or is that just for one channel or something

Ryozuki

maybe its time to roll out our own map testing platform

++++++

Ryozuki

maybe its time to roll out our own map testing platform

would be cool

im thinking about the same, since my idea of a community map was cancelled

09:41

but i even stuck by use the mapviewer

09:41

i only got a black screen

09:41

so im the wrong person to build up such a system xD

Probably new testers from china then

vote bit as 2nd tester lead for asia region

Good morning YAPPP

Yuzu

dont allow dummys to cross startline if >10players in t0

I propose to ban dummy in t0 because I'm sick of geniuses who play like dummies and take dummies with them and end up ruining everything

10:15

#StopDummyInT0

Make me tester again

or the server should start a vote, when dummy trys to cross the startline. only if 50% vote f3, the dummy can pass XD

Yuzu

or the server should start a vote, when dummy trys to cross the startline. only if 50% vote f3, the dummy can pass XD

Dummy mode justatest

Yuzu would like to play with dummy in t0

10:19

F3 Yes | F4 No

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8

Stop the dummy hate

10:20

And get good

10:21

The really good dummy players often carry the t0 through hammerhit parts cuz they are the only ones that dont fail

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I am a dummytionalist

ᶰ°Konͧsti

The really good dummy players often carry the t0 through hammerhit parts cuz they are the only ones that dont fail

they would have my f3, if im in mood

u can Blame my brother for making deen adding dummy

ᶰ°Konͧsti

u can Blame my brother for making deen adding dummy

Dummies are not bad per se, I don't want them removed and I use them a lot myself, I want players who don't understand why dummies are necessary to be removed

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if people dont want their map ran by dummies, dont you think you can just max_ip_per_server 1

How brothers play then

ᶰ°Konͧsti

The really good dummy players often carry the t0 through hammerhit parts cuz they are the only ones that dont fail

It doesnt make a player a good player only because he is last alive. When you play with dummy you just dont have to worry about missunderstandings and all the other factors that come into play with other people. Most the "good" dummy player are absolute pepegas when they play without dummy in t0

Thats why i stopped dummy playing troll

oh yeah 90% of dummy players use dummy in t0 and god its annoying

@Voxel that pfp feels cursed

Hi

12:19

Im thinking of designing a map what criteria should I pay attention to and how much is the minimum size

check the channel "info" in map testing, lots of info there

Thx

bencie

@Voxel that pfp feels cursed

my friends forced me to be blue

Stepfunn

It doesnt make a player a good player only because he is last alive. When you play with dummy you just dont have to worry about missunderstandings and all the other factors that come into play with other people. Most the "good" dummy player are absolute pepegas when they play without dummy in t0

opportunity to bash other players skilllevel lcsg47 intensifies

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@zzzzzzz The player's name is 宅宅兔

someone know why FRA servers are not on the server list

ᶰ°Konͧsti

The really good dummy players often carry the t0 through hammerhit parts cuz they are the only ones that dont fail

problem is, 90% of players arent good at dummy

sad. big ddosing.

14:47

almost finish the map for many tee.

14:47

We're praying for justice

Neiral

opportunity to bash other players skilllevel lcsg47 intensifies

YEP. Everyone thinks that. I say it

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what mean pepegas ?

les bouffons

I don't care about the good dummie player playing good map. If they can play alone, it's fine by me. What i hate, is people taking dummy but can't do shit with it.

I've played this morning to grandma, we were three good players with one medium and one with dummie. He failed more than all of us ...

15:04

Why taking dummie when you can't play without it. Dummy playing is harder than having a mate, who have a intelligence.

15:05

Unlike you say @Stepfunn I find more easy to have a mate, because we're playing often together so we understand each other.

15:06

My dummie don't understand me, he's dumb. He just keeping trolling me because i'm bad af

(edited)

Lionheart

Why taking dummie when you can't play without it. Dummy playing is harder than having a mate, who have a intelligence.

Playing with dummy is harder about skills. Playing with an other player is harder about communication

Maybe.

I noticed that it runs like butter on hot iron, when i turn on antiping with dummy.

15:08

didnt know that i lagg that much until now

Yuzu, i wan't eat you.

only sucking allowed

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+18 only xD (edited)

15:12

That was a bad one Yuzu

no thats good one, cuz Yuzu is a fruit

I don"t suck fruit.

but its sour

Что с русским сервером?

15:32

What about the Russian server?

today was a long day

16:06

car broke down and then the bus broke down

goofball

car broke down and then the bus broke down

and the servers broke down

the voting is still rigged

again ddos (;(

@Ryozuki you can't pseudo with dummy nor with a player, why are you trying to give an opinion?

i understand it perfectly, my point is, if x map is more optimal with dummy then top ranks will be with dummy, and i have 0 problem with it, just another skill a top ranker will need to have

"DDraceNetwork (DDNet) is an actively maintained version of DDRace, a Teeworlds modification with a unique cooperative gameplay"

16:16

"unique cooperative gameplay" clearly unique

16:16

playing with yourself

16:17

imagine thinking dummy copy moves to achieve the fastest speed is fair

16:17

go do some player copy moves

16:17

try to pseudo as fast as plant with 2p

so?

that shit is rigged

so, it's stupid

use the most optimal way

goes against the whole point of this game

speedrun 101

which is to play with people

16:18

lmfao

not rly

16:18

ootherwise there wouldnt be solo

is that even considered ddrace

16:18

like race server

16:18

race server isn't ddrace

it’s interesting how you were kind with me before and get instant dogshit jealous mindset when i became better at something than u

i was never kind to you LOL

16:20

where did you take that from

LMAO

16:20

sure you were never kind with anyone

i'm kind to whoever deserves it

16:22

not you

@Plant death penalty to you for using dummy

well you were

@Ryozuki your opinion is weak, you don't play the game, you're only a developer. you're also always playing sarcastic role

16:26

just annoying overall

i dont talk to disrespectful people

16:26

pls dont talk to me

you came to the conversation when no one called you

Bruhkus

god u use such kid minded arguments its insane

whatever you say

16:28

i just don't understand how someone who hasn't been in the game for the past years can have such an opinion about this topic

well then its ur fault for lacking the understanding

Tbh I understand Snail’s point of view though

are you calling me dumb?

16:29

that's offensive

@Ryozuki he has more point than you. bigger number = better person

If you want it to be totally competitive, it’s unfair since some dummy ranks are just impossible to beat without a dummy

thank god someone understands

And even if you say « ye everyone can play with dummy » it doesn’t rly solve the issue

Im 'corneum

@Ryozuki he has more point than you. bigger number = better person

big dick = more chad

@Fluday but be careful, they'll swarm you if you have that opinion

Yeah but Rockus I disagree on the fact that Ryozuki can’t give his opinion xd

then disable cheat binds like aim up or entities

When I asked for the discussion to be done peacefully I wasn’t rly expecting this

being totally competitive is not dismissing the dummy skill and using it instead

it's his fault for always playing a sarcastic role when chatting with me

Yeah but like as snail said

16:30

If the r1 is just unbeatble

16:31

What would you try to beat it ?

it is beatable

16:31

play it with ur dummy

but man, imagine he gave an opinion about let's say nuclear energy

16:31

why would it be valid? what does he know about it?

16:31

is he a specialist?

yes playing ddnet is as hard as understand nuclear physics

Yeah but without a dummy it’s not, i mean technically it is but not realistically

ddnet go brrr

it's an example

16:31

again playing the joking role

16:31

and calling me a kid

16:31

that behaviour is also kid like

16:31

so what?

16:31

"ddnet go brrrr"

its because you use arguments a kid at school would use

I Mean rockus, according to you you can’t critizice a movie because you aren’t productor or smth or a football game becausz you aren’t Messi

oh, so "you did it so i do it as well"

16:32

if i throw myself down from a bridge you'll also do it

16:32

kid behaviour once again

what are u talking about now lmao

Fluday

I Mean rockus, according to you you can’t critizice a movie because you aren’t productor or smth or a football game becausz you aren’t Messi

you can criticize the story of the movie because you saw the movie

16:32

he hasn't played the game in years

16:32

he doesn't even know how to pseudo (edited)

Ryozuki

play it with ur dummy

But by this logic would you want everyone to play with his dummy on a supposed « cooperative » gameplay ? Donnt you think it’s the whole soul of the game ?

i think ryozuki still understands the gist tho

16:33

plus its only 1 map who cares

Fluday

But by this logic would you want everyone to play with his dummy on a supposed « cooperative » gameplay ? Donnt you think it’s the whole soul of the game ?

man you're a legend, thank god you understand me

16:33

it's literally the core of the game

16:33

cooperative gameplay

its not like dummy beats any rank

where's the coop in dummy playing

only fly map

Fluday

But by this logic would you want everyone to play with his dummy on a supposed « cooperative » gameplay ? Donnt you think it’s the whole soul of the game ?

only mostly fly maps are affected by this, its still a coop game

Yeah but Rockus i’m tryharding rank 1 so I can’t give my opinion xd

it's a legendary map

Fluday

Yeah but Rockus i’m tryharding rank 1 so I can’t give my opinion xd

you can, you're updated with the mechanics of the game unlike him

Ryozuki

only mostly fly maps are affected by this, its still a coop game

Yeah of course but how far can you accept these binds ? And even if it’s a small amount of maps

Ryozuki

only mostly fly maps are affected by this, its still a coop game

"only"

16:34

dude

16:34

a whole category of maps get affected

16:34

and you say "only"

Rockus

i'm kind to whoever deserves it

uwu

Theses times aren’t beatable and 2p tryharders aren’t even trying

theres like 12 fly maps lmao

oh yes im so disconnected

hi @louis

i totally not host a wiki that has an article about pseudofly that i could read anytime https://wiki.ddnet.tw/wiki/Pseudofly

16:34

holy shit

@iParano guess you have to learn the bind to beat just fly

16:34

which is ultra stupid

Yeah but back then having just fly r1 was like an achievement just like Stronghold’s r1 or rly hard maps and stuff

you wrote an article about something you can't do?

16:35

nice

god

source: trust me

why are u such a kid

16:35

i didnt wrote that article

you host it

Nowadays no one tries it because it’s impossible to beat Plant’s time without a dummy (edited)

so what's the point of saying you host it

16:35

you can raed it

man pls

i can read as well

think before you speak

fun fact: if you guys stop talking then there will be no argument

does that mean i can do something

atleast for 1 second

16:35

ur embarassing urself

i'm not

16:35

why am i embarassing myself

16:35

that's offensive

Rockus

he doesn't even know how to pseudo (edited)

you can’t neither

i can

16:36

otherwise i wouldn't have gen7 r1

16:36

and that's offensive

Pls Rockus xd i’m sure we can all discuss about it peacefully

Rockus vs Ryozuki

they start attacking me

omg

It could be a rly intersting debate and i’d like to have the opinion of other players as well

he is the victim

murpi

Rockus vs Ryozuki

xdd

I have a doubt, is there any way I can change the map type?

murpi

Rockus vs Ryozuki

by the thumbnail i thought it was the moon for a second

The only good answer though is to put dummy ranks in another category or smth..

idk, but the admins need to work on this before it's too late

16:37

just saying

Fluday

The only good answer though is to put dummy ranks in another category or smth..

Which isn't possible unless we start a new ladder

But idk how hard can it be

@Ryozuki ignore chat come #developer

otherwise you'll only be good at this game if you learn a bind

murpi

Which isn't possible unless we start a new ladder

Yeah and many people would be against it sadly

in the future

But tbh when bencie said « yeah everyone can do it since everyone can play dummy »

16:39

Do you guys rly want everyone to tryhard with his dummy ?

They dont understand the core of the game, zoomers

Everyone has their own opinion xd

16:41

Just respect it as you want them to respect yours

someone sensible!

the core of this game is to get all novices r1

u argument like ure able to rank1 every single map and thats ur very only goal. give different type of players, different maps with different playstyle so everyone can r1 somewhere xD

Plant

the core of this game is to get all novices r1

the core of this game is to play multieasymap

ah yeee

Ok, disrespect more

Binds was always an issue, the game is just evolving we just have to accept it. Its just hard as oldschool players to explain to new players how the game was before dummies rockus (edited)

That’s not rly the issue here Yuzu I think, we were poiting out some overpowered binds, and these binds don’t rly allow competitiveness since the run is just not beatable without a dummy so it makes the game less competitive. And back then Just fly 1 was smth everyone was aiming at

And we learned much from dummies about pseudo u cant deny it

Cireme

Binds was always an issue, the game is just evolving we just have to accept it. Its just hard as oldschool players to explain to new players how the game was before dummies rockus (edited)

man but that makes me sad

16:43

ye, pseudo

16:43

but not that bind

16:43

that bind is op as fuck

16:43

pseudo is fair

I know it does makes me sad aswell but well this is how it is

karl joobst guy said in one of his latest video how he ignored new strategies for years and that he regrets it because he became very good at them later

but the thing is, it is how it is because they let it be

But we can discuss about it without insulting eachother right

what i'm trying to do is to tell them to change

Rockus

what i'm trying to do is to tell them to change

As Murpi said I think it’s not that easy

it's not just not easy, but also impossible

yes, but they should at least try to think of something i guess

16:44

idk, impossible is quite an overstatement, no?

Yeah that’s exactly why I wanted to discuss about it

how could you prove that someone is a dummy

overstatement? We'd need to look into every single rank ever made, as the server can't destinguish whether a tee is a dummy or not

16:46

and no, teehistorian is not an option

Rockus

idk, but the admins need to work on this before it's too late

just like account system and map rerates kek

well, that's you thinking about one approach, maybe there's another?

ddnet client with dummy exists, releasing one without it will make ppl not update, servers cant reliably detect dummies

NovaShock

just like account system and map rerates kek

16:46

bombay has anti dummy

Rockus

well, that's you thinking about one approach, maybe there's another?

there is none other (edited)

who knows, maybe some ppl will find some insane 2p fly and will beat those ranks, u never know. plus anyone can look at the top5 and see the r1 players without dummy, its not like dummy makes 2p ranks obsolete

Yeah but like maybe instead of fixing it, isn’t it possible to make it better

murpi

there is none other (edited)

there is

tell me, what is it

As Nova said, highlighting 2p ranks or smth

creating a version of just fly 1 where dummies aren't able to start

I mean it wouldn’t solve it

or even connect

16:47

the Anti dummy server LUL

Rockus, it's about past ranks, not new ranks

1

past ranks only the ones on top20 matter

16:47

the others

16:47

well they get the points

Yeah but bro

16:47

If you do it for just fly

16:47

Do it for each map xd (edited)

ye i know it sucks it was kind of a joke xd

if you do it for one map, we'll have to do it for every map

ye

theres simply no approach we can take to seperate dummy ranks from actual 2 player ranks

Let’s delete all the data gigachad

murpi

theres simply no approach we can take to seperate dummy ranks from actual 2 player ranks

+ u would also need another leaderboard for dummies skips too

louis

who knows, maybe some ppl will find some insane 2p fly and will beat those ranks, u never know. plus anyone can look at the top5 and see the r1 players without dummy, its not like dummy makes 2p ranks obsolete

didnt coradax do some ranks1's with someone taking his dummy name or was that another hoax?really hard to confirm if dummy ranks are legit with name changes

Fluday

Let’s delete all the data gigachad

this is an actual option we could consider, starting a new ladder or start doing seasons

NovaShock

didnt coradax do some ranks1's with someone taking his dummy name or was that another hoax?really hard to confirm if dummy ranks are legit with name changes

yea i think that happened xd

murpi

this is an actual option we could consider, starting a new ladder or start doing seasons

current top20 in hall of fame and new season feelsamazingman

^^

murpi

this is an actual option we could consider, starting a new ladder or start doing seasons

seasons would be cool

louis videos would be cool

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Yeah but would people flw the move

16:50

Like idk but some people would just stop playing no ?

u can have seasons and normal maps both

1

But it would surely be healthier on many aspects

seasons would be super shit if everything until now just gets deleted

after end of a season, all the maps go into the normal pool

Im 'corneum

seasons would be super shit if everything until now just gets deleted

deleted is the wrong word. i would call it archived

Having a season for ddmax maps justatest

it would actually enoucrage people to play even more than usual, a new season means a new spot for fame (edited)

Knuski

deleted is the wrong word. i would call it archived

Yeah that’s what I was thinking too

Seasons would be sick yeah

so maybe there's like legacy stats that still stay and you can still get points and ranks, but new leaderboard for season specific releases

Nice ideas

i like the way the discussion turned

But it doesn’t represent a huge amount of maps right ?

murpi

it would actually enoucrage people to play even more than usual, a new season means a new spot for fame (edited)

would put a more competitive aspect on older maps and can see in real time how everyone competes for top points

That’s what I wanted since the beginning Yuzu feelsbadman

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Yuzu

i like the way the discussion turned

Rockus not wilding anymore troll

1

Could create a top5allseasons to still be able see whats best ranks

seasons sound nice

seasons could have specific themes to them as well (but this is probably not very viable)

lets call the first season the Rockus Season, it will have no fly and dummy maps

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1

16:53

only novice maps

XDDDDD

But with these seasons thing, you could play all the maps ? Or just pick a few of them and change it every season ?

16:54

Idk 10 maps for each category or smth

i would select some maps

NovaShock

would put a more competitive aspect on older maps and can see in real time how everyone competes for top points

seasons would open up alot of options, like a pool of maps each week with proper map rotation (edited)

how long would they last tho

a season :P

x:

3 months sounds good

cant wait for purple panic week justatest

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1

also account system justatest

1

2 months season

what would be the requirements for the maps though ?

i think like a handful of map released at beginning of season and they have themes

16:56

from good mappers

16:56

and like normal rls can be thruout

Yeah but that’s another issue

without the theme

For me some mappers aren’t good but for some they are

im a good example

How can you say to someone « well no sry your map sucks ass »

16:57

I mean if the map is good for a lot of people

Fluday

How can you say to someone « well no sry your map sucks ass »

thats what testers do each time they decline a map but just with nice words

Fluday

For me some mappers aren’t good but for some they are

i mean like its easier to tell if something is better or worse in terms of mapping

Knight,Ama,Silex and Corneum can all have their own seasons from how many maps they have released

if it fits the theme etc

Yeah but for the selection we would pick some maps that are already released right ?

Knuski

thats what testers do each time they decline a map but just with nice words

FACTS

ye maybe that too, and some new releases too

And some of them are bad especially the old ones

slight changes in oldschool map arent bad for a new season, or ?

16:58

so its known but unknown

i was thinking seasons would have new releases too

16:59

at the beginning of each

and how about 1 map that gets community voted by a selection of 5

a season with declined maps Shyggers

Knuski

a season with declined maps Shyggers

^

seasons could be cool to have events that cant be targeted for ddos like tournaments

I mean on a certain point it could highlight some forgotten maps

Make a battle pass

That were never under the spotlight during their lifetime

mappack with the oldest rank1

if u guys go for it, u should change the ppl who selecting the maps after every season

Yuzu

if u guys go for it, u should change the ppl who selecting the maps after every season

would need many people then xd

season 3 month each beginning of each season, theres like a few themed new maps and a few older ones and every few weeks a fun map event or smth

jesus what did i start

and normal map releases go on as normal

17:01

actually rockus started it

he stopped

17:02

and then i brought it up again

Knuski

would need many people then xd

the point is just, that 1 or 2 person maybe do wrong choices , to avoid this, shuffle the ppl who are selecting. and even if u only have like 10 ppl

louis

actually rockus started it

cough

wait nvm it was snail

17:03

troll

it was me, i held them at gun point to write about it

snail was the one he decided to reply to

17:03

he just ignored mine

Seasons is like a nice excuse to delete this ladder and make a new one

misstrip

Seasons is like a nice excuse to delete this ladder and make a new one

not necessarily an excuse, but an improvement

misstrip

Seasons is like a nice excuse to delete this ladder and make a new one

As we said earlier not deleting

17:05

I mean it could be possible to keep this « classic ladder » and do a season ladder right ?

if seasons are a thing i think the development of all the features would be the limiting factor

people playing multeasymap will still be playing it

code wise

And basically this season ladder would be like competitive games for LoL or many other games

we really should have seasons

sure, but it would become extremely irrevelant

Ryozuki

lets call the first season the Rockus Season, it will have no fly and dummy maps

Novice but you cant beat

17:05

Amateur

murpi

sure, but it would become extremely irrevelant

The classic ladder ?

louis

code wise

actually it's much easier than most ddnet suggestions

i swear this guy is rly sore

Fluday

The classic ladder ?

Yes

Fluday

I mean it could be possible to keep this « classic ladder » and do a season ladder right ?

Without dummy ranks .D.

probably the easiest of the ideas talked about more than once

For some it’s not

nah i feel its a lot more complicated than it sounds

17:06

rather than like removing weak or whatever

You keep making jokes about me, what do you expect

theres a lot more parts

like. it just requires some schema change for the db, some timestamp related code, and some code on the website to show ot

There would still be the goal of getting the total amount of points of being among the top 20

2

it*

17:06

and ofc the handling for storing it

lynn

like. it just requires some schema change for the db, some timestamp related code, and some code on the website to show ot

will u pay devs to do it?

17:07

with what money kek

misstrip

Without dummy ranks .D.

Why xd ?

i will pay devs for seasons

here comes another "wahhh Lynn you can't just say how to do something you have to do it yourself"

lets downplay the effort others do: map testing is actually really ez anyone can do it

i live in murica where i can say what i want

17:07

yep here we go

lynn

like. it just requires some schema change for the db, some timestamp related code, and some code on the website to show ot

thats a lot, and theres also server side things

Ryozuki

lets downplay the effort others do: map testing is actually really ez anyone can do it

seasons shouldnt just be a silent change

Fluday

Why xd ?

Cus copyfly

it should be very visible

ryozuki hates it when you say anything about dev

lynn

ryozuki hates it when you say anything about dev

no i hate it when u downplay others work

17:08

if it was about art i would do the same

misstrip

Cus copyfly

Uh ?

how is explaining the steps involved in a task "downplaying" exactly?

17:08

get real

i dont like the way the discussion turned

4

lynn

probably the easiest of the ideas talked about more than once

fr

I'm outlining the work involved since louis said it would be a lot of work

17:09

but relative to say, accounts

17:09

that's so much easier

17:10

and somehow pointing that out is just a personal attack to all devs lmao

@lynn im offended like an american

17:10

you are tbh

"americans" am i right?

north americans

it's gonna rain again

17:11

fuck

actually saying americans when u refer to us ppl is rude to south americans

17:11

but i always forget

that's the most PC shit ive ever heard

whats pc

u should move to murica

17:11

politically correct

i know south americans that get pissed at that

17:12

ur just in the position of advantage

am i not allowed to say Americans anymore

no

now i understand why nothing changes XD

can u guys stfu and talk about accounts again

1

yes

Ryozuki

i know south americans that get pissed at that

yeah but people in other countries pretend that americans get pissed over every little thing

17:12

so this is no different xd

accounts? i thought we talked about seasons Susge

they do tho

yeah

Ryozuki

they do tho

most of us don't, vocal minority

seasons lmao*

17:13

@murpi stop them pls

And we French people are always angry

1

why? we're about to talk about seasons again anyway

17:13

actually I'll probably go, I need to eat and get my car fixed somehow

Fluday

And we French people are always angry

nooo only the germans are always angry

we could take the nationalism to #off-topic i guess

Knuski

nooo only the germans are always angry

Nooo it looks like it but they just talk normally kek

we didnt say something about russia yet

good

@snail r u angry

russia is best ignored forever

i cba to read all this

they only exist because of their control of media

17:15

so just ignore them and they have nothing

why? we're about to talk about seasons again anyway

u

@lynn

Meekrioz

i cba to read all this

cba?

thank u nova

cant be assed

can't be arsed

17:15

or

17:15

if ur murican

17:15

that

xd

but u wrote arsed even tho u r murican

17:16

i have actually only heard it said that way

thats rly sus

but i suppose assed is a natural Americanization of it

oh sorry

i wanna get arsed

its called culture apropiation

North Americanization Limited to The Contiguous United States

of america

do u think seasons are running meanwhile normal ddnetwork or are normal srv closed then ?

nah we got american in the first half

Yuzu

do u think seasons are running meanwhile normal ddnetwork or are normal srv closed then ?

no they shouldnt be closed xd

seasons would be concurrent with regular play

Yuzu

do u think seasons are running meanwhile normal ddnetwork or are normal srv closed then ?

meanwhile for sure

basically, if you clear a map during a season, it would contribute to season points

so ppl can play whatever they want

or ranks too if we want those (edited)

season map ranks should transfer over to normal database after a season ends so you dont have to finish maps twice

non ladder and ladder season would run simultaneously

1

i think it would attract a lot of players with less points, which is honestly something the community needs

else map rotations wouldn't work (edited)

oh they would be a subset of maps?

yeah, imo that would be best

hmm

17:20

well we could have ui for it in the ddnet tab

17:20

like we have Finished icon

17:20

we can have a Season Map icon

maybe broadcast the current leader of season on normal srv, so if im on normal srv, i got attracted to change

i don't like the idea of Season servers

17:21

that's all

17:21

it would split the community even more lol

make the Anti Multeasymap Season

17:21

multeasymap disabled

it doesn't matter for EU players but it does for USA

17:21

and im making everything about me because I'm an American

Ryozuki

make the Anti Multeasymap Season

ill just play multimap then

i think subset of maps + handful of new releases at beginning of each season

17:22

so ppl have maps to look forward to playing if they alr have most finishes

Is there even a NA community?

17:22

xd

seasonal releases is actually a great idea

xd

reason why: takes pressure off of testers and they might actually get more stuff approved

17:22

omg eu players

all NA players that i know are or were moderators xd

you guys assume no one exists but GER2 addicts xd

false

season servers are same as normal server

17:23

but with season maps

17:23

i think its fine

closer to steam release there was like half a server full

17:23

and i knew like every player

lynn

reason why: takes pressure off of testers and they might actually get more stuff approved

wym take pressure of testers, it would be opposite

17:23

since there would be a handful of new maps to get ready at beginning of each season

testers dont do anything anyway xd

fax

imo USA community is better than GER because you could actually get to know every player

17:24

and I still kinda do

17:24

and many ppl from GER/ZAF have told me USA community is friendlier/better

17:24

so when people say "is there a community" it's so weird to me

i like the way, how the maps are released currently. every few days there is something new to discover

lynn

imo USA community is better than GER because you could actually get to know every player

99% of USA gameplay is sitting afk in water lily greenthing

5

@lynn pay xqc to play ddnet then there will be players

yes

17:25

ni

17:25

o

17:25

honestly that would probably be good for the game but bad for the community

17:25

i prefer the current USA community

people will donate xqc 100$ worth of subs and he will just ignore their message xd

just sucks at non-peak hours

Hi

iH

xqc sucks

fax

@Knuski good pfp

cyberFighter

@Knuski good pfp

thx

17:26

u2

well id be happy to help out w seasons if its ever a thing with mapping/testing/videos i feel like it would definitely increase retention for the game

testers testing maps poggers

also about it not helping testers

17:29

you have a timeboxed interval for work, you are not constantly pestered to "rls"

17:29

people will just expect there are some maps at the start of each season

i have an idea for a good map

EU community exist.

cyberFighter

i have an idea for a good map

the one map that got declined xd?

no not that one

testers can chat about the current progress towards the next season release and if you are behind, you can ofc figure out who can help

copetitive testing season

i think it's better

what r u guys talking about

1

a map where it looks normal until the end where it tells u to zoom out and u find out that youve been playing in an among us crewmate the whole time

2

testers arent pestered for rls anyways its just whenever someone feels like testing

and if testers can't test maps you can ask for help

if no maps were ready then it would likely just stay like that until a tester feels like it

seasons dont need new maps

we have a flawed way of looking at testing anyway. we basically expect people to randomly care to test instead of like

wait

17:31

seasons?

i think it would help for new maps tho @Ryozuki

cybertroll

hm it's been a while can someone help me test this, i don't have time

u know guys

spring summer autumn winter

give ppl more incentice to play in them

instead of having donations for the game

17:31

just make a ddnet battlepass

1

1

lynn

we have a flawed way of looking at testing anyway. we basically expect people to randomly care to test instead of like

same with everything about this game

17:32

thats what an open source community is

people in FOSS communities are afraid of such structures

17:32

they would rather yolo everything

testing is about the most unfun thing you can do in tw so im just kinda glad there are some people doing it

1

which for a game of this scale i don't think is helpful

aight im off to take ap physics c bye bye

cyberFighter

just make a ddnet battlepass

buy now and get +5 extra points for each new finish

this discussion isnt going anywhere anyways

i could personally agree to some testing quota or try to respond to a number of reports every week

17:33

at least when i get my car+laptop fixed

louis

aight im off to take ap physics c bye bye

i also have advanced physics gl

NovaShock

buy now and get +5 extra points for each new finish

+1 new exclusive skin unlocked every 100 points

louis

aight im off to take ap physics c bye bye

bye good luck

‍

Knuski

i also have advanced physics gl

gl u too

time to go to work

17:34

gotta test some maps

17:34

today

17:34

my quote is 3 maps

1

i have advanced physics too!

quota*

on my chest

Ryozuki

my quote is 3 maps

1984

cyberFighter

just make a ddnet battlepass

ddnet starts with no dummy and you have to buy it through battlepass (edited)

lynn

on my chest

when u reach the finish in a brutal map

I'm an ex-CSM so I have some idea of project management. People hate thinking that DDNet is like work when it already is work, just unpaid. Using agile processes would help the entire community including the life of team members

1

"you aren't able to finish this map due to your battlepass not having brutal maps unlocked"

17:35

no one will take my word for this though, maybe until i am in my grave

stronghold wont count troll

yeah stronghold is a novice map

whenever i have enough motivation im making a community team

17:36

lynn

whenever i have enough motivation im making a community team

id join it

17:37

hopefully i have constant motivation

ideally there would be at least a few mods and testers, so we have input from those teams (edited)

17:37

but the majority of the work would be from other volunteers

lynn

I'm an ex-CSM so I have some idea of project management. People hate thinking that DDNet is like work when it already is work, just unpaid. Using agile processes would help the entire community including the life of team members

wow mappers should get paid 1$ for each map they get in the game

finding out what would improve the game

and then ama turns into a millionaire

1

@cyberFighter why ama?

====Lucidity map==== 1 Map ★☆☆☆☆ 2 Map ★★★☆☆ 3 Map ★★★★☆ 4 Map ★★★★☆ ====Race==== =Easy= 1 Map ★★☆☆☆ 2 Map ★★★★☆ 3 Map ★★★★☆ =Moderate= 1 Map ★☆☆☆☆ 2 Map ★☆☆☆☆ 3 Map ★★★★☆ =Brutal= 1 Map ★☆☆☆☆ 2 Map ★☆☆☆☆ 3 Map ★★★★☆ =Insane= 1 Map ★☆☆☆☆ 2 Map ★☆☆☆☆ 3 Map ★★★☆☆ ETC ... I would like something like this for my server presentation, in the "voted" channel anyone know how I should do it? I am really bad in code, but I would give anything, if someone would have the patience to help me it would be incredible...

n000b

@cyberFighter why ama?

i see him everywhere

deen

17:53

when saudia arabia servers?

guy is salty that he cant r1 some maps cuz he sucks at dummy LMAO

17:56

lets remove dummy

1

who

you completely missed the point viny xd

Real

when saudia arabia servers?

use our persian servers?

Fluday

you completely missed the point viny xd

thats how it lowkey came across

murpi

use our persian servers?

300 ping

17:57

ik very weird

17:57

i used to get 40 ping in KSA server

wild routing

mhm

viny

thats how it lowkey came across

yep he was salty, however he was criticising some overpowered binds

cyberFighter

i see him everywhere

Not the most released maps tho :)

I think swapping in t0 is the real op strat that has to be deleted again

@murpi there are a lot of chinese servers that have no players in them

There's not even that many maps that you can r1 with dummy, atleast with low chance of a non-dummy player beating you no?

viny

I think swapping in t0 is the real op strat that has to be deleted again

It was always possible, but not everyone knew how.

also korea kinda dead

Real

@murpi there are a lot of chinese servers that have no players in them

it's 2 am for them

murpi

it's 2 am for them

not playing at 2 am they don't sound dedicated enough greenthing

then do u know servers that go unused? (edited)

n000b

It was always possible, but not everyone knew how.

obviously, but making it that easy is toxic af

Real

then do u know servers that go unused? (edited)

all servers are in use, else we wouldn't be running them ^^

not a single one unused?

Check the stats here: https://ddnet.tw/stats/

Real

not a single one unused?

the sugma server is unused

Australia and India have few players

deen

Australia and India have few players

can u replace one of the servers to be KSA

18:03

just saying

Its not about servers. It's about hosts. If you buy 1 server at a host you can run multiple servers on them. So it doesn't matter if 1 is empty full time

18:03

You pay anyway

@deen could you delete the POL servers and give me a Dortmund server?

18:03

ez

Cant the people in india just play in China servers?

Real

can u replace one of the servers to be KSA

ya let's just remove servers because they have less players

18:16

only GER2 will survive

18:16

if the server is paid for why does anyone care if they exist

oh wait

18:23

bro im getting blocked off like everys erver wtf

DDNet Cat

18:23

asap

wow i have to play on

18:25

usa

18:25

cuz every single european server is blocking me off

ah

eh

uh

oh

ih

Friends, I recently bind emotions to the control keys. And after that, the servers started freezing every time I play. Can my emotions ddos servers?

when find this lowlife whos been ddosing since a week now

Cactus

when find this lowlife whos been ddosing since a week now

he is known xd

who

Cactus

who

player name: vali ; but also his personal info is known

what a loser

wha

just ddosing

why doesn't someone just fucking dox him

2

Knuski

player name: vali ; but also his personal info is known

Pm pls

19:16

Im gonna sending 500 pizza

xd

@Rockus I agree with you too we should have a dummy leaderboard, but as Ryozuki said it's impossible https://canary.discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/295908390956433410/973588232849723533 and if the tech doesn't allow it we can't do it Also, having maps that are more optimal to speedrun in different ways (dummy, multiplayers strats, skips etc...) is not so bad. I think it's alright

Knuski

player name: vali ; but also his personal info is known

another one is "Shine"

1

Imagine putting effort and money in ddosing a 15 years old 2D game that literally runs on a rasperry Pi just for nothinft

maybe he once wanted to be a part of ddnet and was rejected

20:24

now he is sad until he die

u dont get rejected from being part of DDNet

20:24

Even the most evil people get their place here

20:24

And have friends

I wonder how much can cost proper ddos protection for ger servers

0x314

I wonder how much can cost proper ddos protection for ger servers

More than 1000€ per month

sell ur soul

20:25

its always easier to destroy than build

20:26

entropy must increase

ᶰ°Konͧsti

u dont get rejected from being part of DDNet

where is tester role

Give

man it sux to be able to play in canada only

O Canada! Our home and native land! True patriot love in all of us command. With glowing hearts we see thee rise, The True North strong and free! From far and wide, O Canada, we stand on guard for thee. God keep our land glorious and free! O Canada, we stand on guard for thee. O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

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20:42

antiping is carrying so hard

what ma

20:53

p

idk i forgot

Neben

@Rockus I agree with you too we should have a dummy leaderboard, but as Ryozuki said it's impossible https://canary.discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/295908390956433410/973588232849723533 and if the tech doesn't allow it we can't do it Also, having maps that are more optimal to speedrun in different ways (dummy, multiplayers strats, skips etc...) is not so bad. I think it's alright

but it's sad that most fly maps are fucked because of that. maybe they should start creating some maps that are forced to be played as 2p without dummy somehow

spur

why doesn't someone just fucking dox him

He got doxxed already

I don't even see the point in ddossing like c'mon bruh

21:43

Just a huge troll

Stop dummy hate

21:45

Its pointless

21:46

If u dont want ur maps to be rushed by dummy trolls just create parts that are unplayable with dummy

21:46

Its not hard

Well the people complaining aren't namely the mappers but the people trying to Speedrun that map

21:53

I don't think its worth crying over, it's just a few maps that have that issue. Just go for what would be r1 if u exclude dummies and call it a day. It's just not that important IMO (edited)

21:55

Not like anything is really gonna get changed anyway, since that would invalidate the ranks and we have no way of telling if they are a dummy rank or not

@barsum

22:12

:/