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Ryozuki

@Meekrioz https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519735033950470144

frustrating to see this, cus it's leaving out the fact that conservatism has also derailed, arguably more so than something so common as a liberal worldview

14:54

does being louder and more annoying about your political beliefs somehow make you "more left" ?

14:54

seems like a load of bullshit to me

14:55

people think the coronavirus is fake, that supporting Russia is better than being liberal, and that we should go attack the capital building cus "muh president"

14:55

but yes let's talk about the liberals getting "crazy"

i think he just meant that pretty normal opinions 10 years ago are now not okay anymore or something lik ethat

that's fine but also not what the meme depicts

14:56

he intentionally wanted to make only liberals seem more extreme

14:57

this type of shit will be even worse if he actually buys twitter lol

14:58

a common theme in this server is to shit on americans for being "woke" when all of Europe is on average way more liberal than the US

14:58

so it's not just this post tbh

lynn

this type of shit will be even worse if he actually buys twitter lol

I have bad news for you

did he fr

yes

my finger is hovering the uninstall button

lynn

a common theme in this server is to shit on americans for being "woke" when all of Europe is on average way more liberal than the US

i disagree. it feels like europe (or germany) is like 5 years behind the usa status at all times

huh, that hasn't been my impression

15:00

there's also a big gap in societal views and actual politics

lynn

a common theme in this server is to shit on americans for being "woke" when all of Europe is on average way more liberal than the US

that's the american meaning of liberal there?

especially in the us

heinrich5991

that's the american meaning of liberal there?

i wasn't rly trying to prove it was the right way but this is what these ppl are arguing xd

15:01

hence the quotation marks

I was trying to understand the statement

ohh

but I take it that it was meant to be the american meaning of 'liberal'

well idk i think nowadays "liberal" means like 2 things now

15:02

unfortunately

only in the US

there's social liberalism and political liberalism which can and definitely do vary in practice

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you could for some reason no support legislature that support <insert human rights laws here> and still be like "fuck trans people" etc

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you may ask why this is the case

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it's because we're stupid

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i don't think many countries are much better but it feels like a largely American issue

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where your politics are somehow not based on your moral system anymore

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they're externalized and probed and biased towards whatever ur friends or mutuals on twitter are

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or something as stupid as "em my family is allll conservatives"

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anyways liberalism has been a thing for forever but rightists will insist we are getting "more left" while they invent even more fucked up things to believe about themselves

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like that horse dewormer can cure ur covid

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omg guis my cobid gone take ur mask off

is this the type of stuff you usually write on twitter but now that you deleted it you write it here?

i do not use twitter for this

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i use it here (a community im attached to) to generate conversation (because i want it to be better)

i disagree with almost everything about you and if i woul dtsrat to argue it would not make anything better (edited)

what would be the point of posting it on Elon's timeline

Even the definition of "left" in the US is weird, so I really have trouble debating anything online nowadays (edited)

Im 'corneum

i disagree with almost everything about you and if i woul dtsrat to argue it would not make anything better (edited)

what do you disagree "about" me?

I'm also a bit confused when talking about american politics concerning the word "liberal" that doesn't correspond to what I usually call "liberal"

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it'd be nice if one could call it 'social' or 'socialist', but I guess those are no-no words in the US

sure that's fair

15:13

yea ppl in the us are deranged about the word socialist

I mean what the US calls "socialist" isn't really what socialist would be properly defined as either. Bernie Sanders a self-proclaimed "socialist" is actually a social democrat

he could very well be a socialist but unable to appear socialist to actually have a chance with us media

@heinrich5991 what would be what you usually call "liberal" btw?

duckduckgo says "Favoring reform, open to new ideas, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; not bound by traditional thinking; broad-minded. synonym: broad-minded."

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this already seems like the opposite of conservativism

less regulation for some part of the world. e.g. less restrictions for individuals (more freedom of expression, speech, etc.). or less restrictions for companies (favoring the "the market will sort it out" thinking)

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@Learath2 ^

how do you feel about ancoms

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i don't know if i would describe myself as an ancom but im probably close to around there

15:22

"fuck everything and then let's form our own fair system naturally"

heinrich5991

less regulation for some part of the world. e.g. less restrictions for individuals (more freedom of expression, speech, etc.). or less restrictions for companies (favoring the "the market will sort it out" thinking)

So I guess, in the US it'd also include social liberalism? The definition you gave is the one I'm familiar with as well

sorry, I'm gone

15:24

not sure what "social liberalism" is in the US

i see it as the same thing technically

if you ping me, I'll answer when I get back in >8 hours

the values are the same

heinrich5991

not sure what "social liberalism" is in the US

Same-sex marriage, reproductive rights, e.g.

lynn

how do you feel about ancoms

I don't really think anarchism works out, not in theory nor in reality. You just end up accidentally forming some primitive government of sorts

a lot of anti-discrimination goes into it too

I personally am a socdem, mostly because I don't like getting into 6 hour debates about how socialism is when no civilization

i don't know that primitive is necessary, we are much different as a society now

Primitive as in organizationally simple, say all governments disappeared overnight, I think we'd establish something very similar the day after, albeit much less complex to start with

sure the path to "can we do communism" is not a straightforward or even peaceful one but i think more about the logistics in that situation

15:28

supposing we are already prepped to try

Learath2

Primitive as in organizationally simple, say all governments disappeared overnight, I think we'd establish something very similar the day after, albeit much less complex to start with

well yes, government would be simpler, and it would probably be much more transparent and we can elect people to audit existing systems

15:29

not that those systems can't be corrupt themselves but it decreases the likelihood

lynn

well yes, government would be simpler, and it would probably be much more transparent and we can elect people to audit existing systems

At which point it wouldn't be anarchism anymore with a government making rules, so it always sounds a bit self defeating to me

and if that's the case, hey, we got here tearing shit apart, i guess we can just do it again

15:30

the anarchism part to me spells out the form of natural systems that you can still elect people for but aren't necessarily required to be considered "government" or something

15:31

like Paul may own all of the wheat in X town but chooses to organize distribution with other people. they could form a system around this without being recognized as government or smt

Anyway, I'm not remotely equipped to discuss this. I have to learn way more about what ancoms think to form a decent opinion

if ppl don't like how Paul is doing something they can do similarly "political" things in order to find the most fair solution but all of that would be automatic

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sure yea

15:33

US should have a credit for voting so more people do it. Currently only angry people or people angry at the angry people do it

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like 200 dollars or something

voter turnout is a massive issue all around the world, look at france

makes sense when you think about it (edited)

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offer money and you have more people misrepresented voting

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compared to people who don't necessarily need the money

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helps with that

i would take the money and then vote nobody lol

my political opinion is basically summarized as "don't be an asshole no matter the cost"

Im 'corneum

i would take the money and then vote nobody lol

why vote nobody? you are already at the polling station, might aswell vote

troll

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exception: if being an asshole is better for society overall, like someone else is being an asshole, then fine

15:37

people voting no one is not a big deal, people after voting a few times will absorb the idea of the value of it through time and from others and actually care (edited)

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like example, i really don't care about who our president is, they're all shitheads

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i would rather discuss state politics or representative politics

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even though I know next to nothing about it since no one cares to talk about it instead of the president lol

Run for mayor

Seattle is fine I guess

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don't need me to be the mayor

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lynnyaSmug

Catgirl mayor of seattle

facts

15:40

minimum wage going up gere

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here

15:40

cost of living in Seattle is ridiculous but work in Seattle and live elsewhere is based af

Fix housing, that'll help alot

greenthing

I gtg do some shopping, as always, nice talk

we'd have to get involved with tons of stuff there xd

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don't buy Seattle housing, don't support bills that aid construction or developments that will ultimately cost a lot

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cyaa

Learath2

Even the definition of "left" in the US is weird, so I really have trouble debating anything online nowadays (edited)

there is no real left on the us

15:46

thats always been my impression

they're here they're just not allowed to speak

15:47

ah ye

i am like super ultra giga turbo speed leftist

i wonder

but that doesn't fly with most people

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i think the us should probably self-destruct at some point

15:48

i still like living here but it's not ideal

if i were american i would only vote bernie, but even he is not that speciall

yeah lol

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well

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per my comment earlier

its sad cuz he has to participate in a right wing party

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to enter politics

he probably had to make his beliefs more arguable

cuz in murica there is just 2 parties

in america

which would be unheard of here

so he can't say everything he thinks

15:49

ya american system is complicated by economics (edited)

15:49

corrupt af

first u gotta be mega millionare to just have any meaningful posibility

that's why ive never understood people who shit on china more than the us

this already says a lot

we're both corrupt

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America is so close to good but the politics rly ruin it lol

15:51

it sucks but nothing is perfect

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy

Direct democracy

Direct democracy or pure democracy is a form of democracy in which the electorate decides on policy initiatives without elected representatives as proxies. This differs from the majority of currently established democracies, which are representative democracies. The theory and practice of direct democracy and participation as its common characte...

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this would be

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what i want

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imho the most pure form of democracy

kinda similar to my views

aka a referendum for every issue

but i hold the attitude that people would settle on this system manually.

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without intervention

but this may be too much for some people, so i have another proposition

it's reasonable

select a party for each department at hand

problem is the common people don't know complex things, would you want direct democracy to decide education funding? Would you be okay if they cut funding to all secular schools and only religious schools are allowed to exist?

maybe i prefere a more conservative aproach to technology but want a more progressive aproach to issues regarding global warming

15:53

why should we be locked to 1 party only for everything?

Learath2

problem is the common people don't know complex things, would you want direct democracy to decide education funding? Would you be okay if they cut funding to all secular schools and only religious schools are allowed to exist?

we aren't ready for sure

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like common beliefs are so fucked up

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this is outside of taking the current opinions of people i think

Learath2

problem is the common people don't know complex things, would you want direct democracy to decide education funding? Would you be okay if they cut funding to all secular schools and only religious schools are allowed to exist?

if thats what the majority decide thats it

but take a subset of people that don't want to destroy the planet and that's fine

15:54

this is probably gonna happen anyway

15:54

capitalism probably had a heat death

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has

capitalism works because we just hide all the bad things under the rug

someone is gonna fire a nuke and be like

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yo that wasn't worth the money dawg

u just ignoring all the ppl in 3rd world countries getting fucked

15:55

thats why it just works^tm

and either gg earth or start over

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yeah

15:56

i am actually surprised we arent all a unified global power already, despite how much nationalism there is in the world you would think people would be like wait, we can just not have borders and shit and kill people over made up money

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but that just shows how bad our systems are

15:57

they're meant, DESIGNED even, to prevent this

lynn

i am actually surprised we arent all a unified global power already, despite how much nationalism there is in the world you would think people would be like wait, we can just not have borders and shit and kill people over made up money

i always get reminded of star trek

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they dont have to work

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all basic necesities covered

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money doesnt exist

one day ill live in a house with chill vtuber people and we will ignore 99% of the world

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it will be fun

Ryozuki

money doesnt exist

based

15:58

god i have to be at the dentist for like 2 hours today with my jaw open

15:58

jghadsykeykdhlgs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trekonomics

Trekonomics: The Economics of Star Trek is a 2016 book by French economist Manu Saadia. The book deals with the topic of the scarcity in the economy by looking at it in reverse. The author describes the 24th-century Star Trek universe in which scarcity does not exist at all. The book explores a post-scarcity age and how our society would need to...

just pull my teeth out

there is a book

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about it

im done

Trekonomics: The Economics of Star Trek is a 2016 book by French economist Manu Saadia. The book deals with the topic of the scarcity in the economy by looking at it in reverse. The author describes the 24th-century Star Trek universe in which scarcity does not exist at all. The book explores a post-scarcity age and how our society would need to change to adapt itself to such an environment. It looks at the expectations regarding automation and artificial intelligence and takes readers through a journey of the fictional, moneyless world of Star Trek. It also looks at the challenges to the Star Trek economy.

AI will be cool when people stop fearmongering

star trek is truly great

15:59

star wars is for kids

my political beliefs actually overlap with some AI stuff

16:00

funny enough

well u stream ur vtuber avatar to randoms in the internet

lynnyaSmug

BunnyStab

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aPES_AnimeCaught

im so hungry

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i don't rly know what to eat

Ryozuki

if thats what the majority decide thats it

poor religious minorities, how about if they vote to ban abortions? Can the majority decide to remove some peoples right to vote?

i think religion is gonna die

@Learath2 what does stop it from happening right now

frfr

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same with capitalism it has an expiration date

i dont care about religion, either minority or majority

Which one? Abortions or the removing someones votes?

both

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they already happen

also can we just write permissive laws instead of arguing about what x person thinks about it

@lynn there world is not that easy

the whole debate about religion affecting politics is sidestepped completely

The constitution which is very annoying and hard to change, even for a majority. E.g. the system in the US is specifically designed so it's very very hard to change things so reactionary stuff like this doesn't randomly change the country everu 10 minutes

I don't care what you believe, write laws that allow people to do something they want to do if it doesn't affect you

there are similar protections in almost every representative democracy that is functioning

and no, other people having abortions will not affect you

one thing i find hilarious is that the president in charge gets to pick a supreme court judge

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or whathever it is called

16:04

xddd

lmao

Yeah US supreme court system is a bit of a joke

@Learath2 it happens here too

judicial system is fucking horrible (edited)

most judges from supreme court were in the franco era

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dictatorship

im speaking firsthand

they moved the strings to stay

https://youtu.be/dDYFiq1l5Dg or this mess

Supreme Court Shenanigans!

judges are really toxic lol

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they made fun of me for not really knowing how stuff worked

lynn

judges are really toxic lol

its ppl with rly high egos, that decide the life of people literally

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who wouldnt powertrip

like wtf what if i had anxiety and i had a meltdown right there

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yep

u should play ff14, its a world with only cat and bunny girls

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the perfect world

uwu

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yeah but

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it's a story game

lynn

uwu

no

I don't like story games rly

its a mmo

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i skipped the whole story lmao

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xd

Headshot

no

play volleyball if you haven't already

i played volleyball at school many years ago

in teeworlds

HMM

Anyway, direct democracies are dangerous because there are some things the common man should just not decide. Water supply policy, agriculture policy, financial policy, energy policy. I consider myself fairly well read and I wouldn't touch any of those myself

it's on ddnet test

Learath2

Anyway, direct democracies are dangerous because there are some things the common man should just not decide. Water supply policy, agriculture policy, financial policy, energy policy. I consider myself fairly well read and I wouldn't touch any of those myself

good point

Learath2

Anyway, direct democracies are dangerous because there are some things the common man should just not decide. Water supply policy, agriculture policy, financial policy, energy policy. I consider myself fairly well read and I wouldn't touch any of those myself

u know that politicians themselves are usually only versed in literature and just get "advise" from experts

Representative democracy is supposed to digest this stuff into more easily understandable, sensible positions, it doesn't work very well, sure but I think it'd be in our interest to fix it instead of removing it

or lawyers

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maybe make Representative democracy more representative

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separate the different sectors more

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choose a party for each

with ancom you just trust people who know this stuff to make the decisions

Ryozuki

u know that politicians themselves are usually only versed in literature and just get "advise" from experts

Yeah, so maybe we get more technocratic governments where the representatives HAVE to listen to a panel of experts in some manners?

you don't have this problem xd

im gonna play mahjong inside ff14

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Learath2

Yeah, so maybe we get more technocratic governments where the representatives HAVE to listen to a panel of experts in some manners?

allow the experts themselves to have a say

Ryozuki

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Game in a game

Is it any fun?

representative democracy is odd to me in this way

yes

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i just wish it also had poker

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or smth

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im sure the mahjong in ff14 is one of the cleanest

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u can play

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there is also a small card game

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triple triad

lynn

allow the experts themselves to have a say

The problem is they are not elected, they have legitimacy but not authority. If we let experts decide things they would pretty much not be responsible to anyone

well require that someone who is elected knows the topic

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elect the expert

But then you give experts perverse incentives, like re-election worries

is that bad?

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what's wrong with them not wanting someone else who knows less to run things

lynn

is that bad?

They might do something that is very popular with the people, but that is not the actually correct thing to do

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e.g an energy expert worried about his re-election might push away plans to add solar power to an area that is against it

i think most experts are resilient to that already, but we have no way to say

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since we don't have practice with it

Learath2

e.g an energy expert worried about his re-election might push away plans to add solar power to an area that is against it

part of their politics though would be informing people why solar power is a good idea

It's really hard to define what an expert is too. Is Jordan Peterson an expert in Psychology? Probably. Would I want him anywhere near government policy? NO

i think the idea of an expert being in the position alleviates a lot of this

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they can manage explaining their actions better than any politician can

Learath2

It's really hard to define what an expert is too. Is Jordan Peterson an expert in Psychology? Probably. Would I want him anywhere near government policy? NO

lmao Jordan Peterson

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i think for shit that's more socially involved, you need WAY more people

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psychology should NOT be managed by Mr dude the third

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Psychology, Anti-discrimination, worker rights

lynn

they can manage explaining their actions better than any politician can

This works for fields like energy that are explainable, things like foreign policy and monetary policy would be way harder

yea stem related

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i see your point

How do you really explain to the people that a 2% inflation rate is desirable?

those would just be harder overall

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in any syatem

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I think it's a non-point for "should we elect experts"

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but rather a universal problem

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you could even have an org that tries to come up with the education necessary to decipher the politics but that's so meta

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a lot of this stuff is anarchism basically xd

I guess we could elect experts, my only worry would be that they get caught up in the politics mess, which is why I tried to isolate them in my scheme

yeah i mean only experts that wanna can do it

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otherwise they just aid the rep

It'd be a little naive to think experts would be immune to the allure of power though. They might just devolve into classic populists

DDNet is actually an interesting model for some stuff we've been chatting about

16:23

in ALL seriousness

DDNet is just a monarchy, very classical

what works and doesn't work about our approach to ddnet etc

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sure yeah

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_dictator_for_life

Benevolent dictator for life

Benevolent dictator for life (BDFL) is a title given to a small number of open-source software development leaders, typically project founders who retain the final say in disputes or arguments within the community. The phrase originated in 1995 with reference to Guido van Rossum, creator of the Python programming language. Shortly after Van Ross...

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this is most open source software

but surely people running it understand it

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i still think there should be a community team

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greenthing

Ryozuki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_dictator_for_life

I never liked Guido's take on Python, glad he is gone

organizing events, not being tone-deaf to player sentiment etc

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this is why most games have formal ways for this

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i would like to (again) insist that we need one and that im interested in being the lead of it (edited)

DDNet is a little too small for it to need these kinds of things, players can directly petition admins, mods, developers for any change they want

i interviewed ppl on multeasymap

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for the changes of the map

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tried to find out what people think

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their feelings

Learath2

DDNet is a little too small for it to need these kinds of things, players can directly petition admins, mods, developers for any change they want

without a team they have little representation. there are already many things that should exist but we don't have the time, it's disputed etc. a team manages this for devs, mappers, testers, and admin team to ensure the game is in the player's interest

multeasymap is so different from what ddnet is, it's players treat it like it's own gamemode, ideally it would be a constantly evolving map, but the rest of the ddnet maps benefit from the complete opposite, stasis. (edited)

i think it absolutely is beneficial

Learath2

multeasymap is so different from what ddnet is, it's players treat it like it's own gamemode, ideally it would be a constantly evolving map, but the rest of the ddnet maps benefit from the complete opposite, stasis. (edited)

yes, but we should at least manage our own expectations as well as others

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the fact that we don't even know what we make of it is again a point of the team

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is this "kind of thing" a ddnet thing or not

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good or bad

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and chat with players and find what the important things are

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i can self-organize this ofc but I'm still so busy with everything lmao

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just my basic needs are in danger because i refuse to get a job

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greenthing

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@Learath2 and there is already a pain point with not having this team, sometimes people don't want to listen to me, or even know why i am whispering them in-game. who are you? how do i know you're even going to do anything? i have no credibility

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even if i self-insert this team somewhere they're going to think well this is not official, probably some lame politics shit

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you have seen how many things i have talked about, even outside of blockers, multeasymap, that line of things. i talk about all aspects of ddnet and if they are supporting the players

lynn

without a team they have little representation. there are already many things that should exist but we don't have the time, it's disputed etc. a team manages this for devs, mappers, testers, and admin team to ensure the game is in the player's interest

i think its their fault if they dont join the discord

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discord is the main point

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of comms

bad take

and most dedicated players are here

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great take

this is a FOSS game

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people have the right to refuse to use discord

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it's malware

and you play on windows

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so dont talk shit like that to me

also malware

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and use discord

deal with it

these are choices other people make that I don't make

the community established here

stop being a baby

i would love if we moved to irc

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but its not gonna happen

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u have to be realistic

you made it about me xd

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I'm talking about the others

im making it about them

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them not joining discord and voicing their concerns

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its their fault

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they dont care enough

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for their ideas to be heard

@Tronmaxis

you're not, you're saying them not joining a Discord for a FOSS game means they don't get a say

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not reasonable at all

16:35

we had the forums after all

the code is hosted on github too

first good point you made xd

they can join

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the irc channel btw

that's good too

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I could advise people to use it

ur so unrealistic

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i bet they all have discord

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they are normies

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they dont even know what irc is

but let them know that ppl are going to get their messages relayed to discord

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you are supposing about people that may or may not exist. as the leader of the Community Team (hooray you just made it a fucking thing) it's worth investigating who actually doesn't want to use discord. I already know chillerdragon won't

i think ur trying to fight too hard for a pointless thing

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im the first to be pro FOSS

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but reality is what it is

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we host the code on github, we use discord

do you know how common it is for people to get upset that FOSS projects have official discords?

we provide executables for windows

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even for me thats anti foss

you're in the FOSS community how are u unaware

ur allowing people to play on a malware os

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@lynn never heard of ppl getting upset

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most foss projects have various channels

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we got irc and discord

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and the forum

hell, we may have people decide not to play ddnet because of the discord. I'm not saying i agree with any of this but they exist

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oh it's a thing

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I know many people like this

this is such a pointless convo

they frequent places like xmpp, matrix, activitypub services

multimap ppl are normies playing on windows who dont care batshit

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otherwise they would be out of that map ASAP

i am not talking about only multimap people

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I wasn't even making a point about people who don't join the discord

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I was just saying making a way to get the most input is to our benefit

i think we are actually lucky

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that the development of this game is like it is

but you insisted on making the topic your own

most projects are what i sent, a benevolent dictator

re: what i just said

what i want to say is, people have the means to convey their ideas, they just dont want to put the effort needed to do so

it is somehow wrong I prefer to find out what players think outside of the discord

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your argument is strange

16:41

people are also simply too lazy to join

most of the time in life, when u want a change u have to be the first one to push it, specially in a open source project

or don't want another discord server

go learn to code and start implementing it urself

nothing about what i want is about coding

its an example

16:41

xd

ic

it also annoys me

16:42

most ppl have ideas

16:42

but they are never

16:42

willing to put the effort themselves

why does that annoy you

16:42

ok i keep the idea to myself

16:42

this is better somehow

because this is not a company that serves a costumer

16:42

this is a open source project

16:42

so if u want ur idea the best bet is for u to do it

so weird

16:43

dude if someone has an idea they can say it, it's not better to not say it

16:44

idk why it annoys you, add it to the GitHub issues, someone may get to it or not but it improved the potential value of the game

16:44

already we have problems with valuing player opinions

16:44

and you said this was a pointless convo?

it is

16:44

do u think anything will change

16:44

xd

16:44

most convos are useless by nature

you illustrated exactly why it's not pointless with your own language

16:45

about being annoyed with people who have ideas but no skills to implement them

thats my personal opinion

16:45

i dont represent ddnet

you're a part of the ddnet community and it's an open-source project as you said

and its prob cuz shitload of ppl ask u to do x stuff for u

16:45

so i developed an annoyance

16:46

xd

it matters what everyone thinks

16:46

i will never shut up about this though

16:46

im going to bring it up until I'm banned from this discord

16:47

more likely i die than that

u talk like ur going to be banned for that

no i dont

i think u just tried to make ur point grandiose

you are great at arguing bc u make so many assumptions when you're annoyed xD

by mentioning that

16:47

like ur on some crusade

yes sure i meant that

lynn

you are great at arguing bc u make so many assumptions when you're annoyed xD

well i think its normal to make assumptions

16:48

otherwise there is too many possibilitieis

im going to go fucking konsti crazy and scream at people

im writing while playing mahjon

16:48

multitasking at its finest

well you keep saying stuff i never said so this isngg

16:48

is gg

gg

16:48

i win then

i lost obviously

16:49

much like all conversations that start and stop on this fkin discord

16:49

people don't use github, no one should tell me to only use that for conversations about ddnet

16:49

they also don't always use the discord as I said

16:50

ill shut up now

Truly endless

ok i will put something else here to change the topic since im addicted to this server

16:59

Chopin is the coolest composer i swear to god

Image attachment

ok

lynn

Chopin is the coolest composer i swear to god

Yu-Peng Chen is my favourite composer, how he weaves different genres and instruments together is masterful. A modern day genius

is that the genshin dude

If I have to pick some old man I'd take Mozart

because I love the genshin ost

17:03

so much

lynn

is that the genshin dude

it is the genshin dude

ya ok

Learath2

If I have to pick some old man I'd take Mozart

nah

I love the city that favors the wind

he's just like for study music

or whatever it's called

chopin is pretty insane melodically imo

His work with the boss music is out of this world good. Saltatio Favillae is genius

i cried when i heard the wind song

17:05

and eternal amnesis or whatever it's called

17:05

fuck

louis

chopin is pretty insane melodically imo

ya it's just like candy for ur ear holes

17:06

love shit like that

louis

chopin is pretty insane melodically imo

Chopin is very interesting melodically indeed, but I find myself listening to mozart more for one reason or the other. Maybe it's because he is always in my recently listened and spotify is manipulating me

what's it called

17:06

fantasy impromptu

17:06

that song is wild

straight up fiiiire

hi meek

hewwo lynn

1

not only fantasie

17:07

scherzo 2

17:07

ballade no 1

17:08

revolutionary etude

do u know a lot of classical stuff or just music nerd

17:08

feelsamazingman

i play classical

o dam

@louis why you being an arse

why are u being weird

they put an x on ur message

I love Nocturne no 1 and my favourite take on it is probably my countryman Fazil Say's

are u ok

louis

why are u being weird

you good?

maybe meek needs a catgirl hug

what did i do lmao

UWU NYA :3 ~ XD LOL

gtfo

17:09

runback

cmere

i insist

i... don't care

17:10

:P

fine

17:10

ill get the other one

u said "hello" in a cringe way

@Skeith hey king

louis

u said "hello" in a cringe way

i said hewwo

yeah that's hello but in a cringe way

no

it's a cute way

17:11

like nya yknow

yea

17:11

but louis is a manly men

17:11

and you know

and i was like, nya

his masculine

yknow

17:11

omg his voice

yea

17:12

like

GIGACHAD

its not masculine or feminine it's just cringe

he can't cope with cute things (edited)

louis actual giga chad

u can just say "hello ^^" if you want something like that

nah

17:12

i can just say "hewwo" and lynn understands it

is that actually less cringe

17:12

feels more to me

the ^^ is cringe af

17:12

2010 shit

talking with a lisp isn't cute its stupid

it's not a lisp :O

i am going to make a map called "hewwo" to piss off louis

please do

lynn

maybe meek needs a catgirl hug

WHAT ABOUT ME

no

ok fine

go draw

17:14

go in your basement

17:14

and draw!

maybe you are my little pogchamp

what language is it in then if it's not a lisp

17:14

justatest

brownbear

xd

i go play overwatch

17:14

but 1

17:14

YEP

wtf

17:14

play 2

I DONT HAVE THE BETA

how

ITS PISSING ME OFF

xdd

BECAUSE I WATCHED TOO LATE

it was so easy for me

17:14

xddddd

17:15

I'm sorry

17:15

it's hella good tho

smh

17:15

nah

also yea i understand louis overuse of w can get out of hand imo

its the same fucking game

f4

with different HUD, maps and champs

17:15

agents

17:15

or whatever

5v5 literally so much better

give me key

xdd

GIVE ME KEY

17:15

CH_PepeGunRight

it's not a key

give me account then

it's bound to your bnet

CH_PepeGunRight

xddddd

lynn

17:16

i dont wanna do this

17:16

dont make me

you do

17:16

though

no "uwu" for you. (edited)

if u did a poll in this server

17:16

i bet 41% says they would shoot me with a gun

justatest

bruh i got the beta and i don't even play ow

luois

17:17

gimme

17:17

acc

wait ye change the pe

no its on my personal email

pw

bruh

change email?

AS IF I GIVE A FUCK

17:17

about your personal email

17:17

Nerdge

LEMME DOX LOUIS

17:17

just play ow1 and imagine it's ow2

but everyone is playing ow2..

ITS NOT THE SAME

and i'm alone

17:18

in this bitch

17:18

PES_Cry

@Skeith thank u for the nya redeem

17:19

maybe if skeith gets more pings he will feel more loved by his friends

17:20

@Skeith i love u friend

17:20

this is not spam he likes it

louis

just play ow1 and imagine it's ow2

wh.. w.. what about overwatch 0...

voxel

17:20

give me your acc

17:20

if you have ow2

WHY

17:20

I DONT EVEN HAVE OVERWATCH 1

I-

17:21

see

17:21

thats the reason why

im sorry !

PES_Cry

@louis if you want a better example go look at what Tsin said in #deleted-channel

17:32

that seems more cringe than hewwo

nah it's a bit less

17:45

still up there tho

xd

I just listened to someone get destroyed at a job interview

17:59

at this cafe I'm at

17:59

i feel so bad lol

18:00

they were literally like "you are not a good fit"

18:01

we need someone who is eager to learn etc

18:01

18:03

YOU ARE NOT AN EXPERT

18:03

this person is handling it so well (edited)

you couldn't handle me

ye i could

18:04

remember

18:04

im friends with Skeith

you even mald when i meme in your stream

18:04

KEKW

MALD????

malding lynn

if having a reaction is malding idk

keep on maldin

im a streamer i overreact to things for money

suuuuure

18:05

SureBruh

uwu

no

18:07

not for you

I'll let you play ow2 if u uwu

you lying

18:08

and!

I'm actually not

cendren, you and eliza are so only ones that i know

18:08

that play ow2

18:08

so

wait NVM uhh

useless

I'm worried about getting my account frozen

18:08

if it's like

18:09

EU ip all the sudden

yea

dude playing with cendren and Eliza was so fun

18:09

@Arne @Eliza you are both so much fun, and again thx for playing with me

18:09

we should play tomorrow

i wanna play...

18:10

WITH YALL

eliza has so much energy

18:10

it's great

yea she is great

18:11

owo

gonna cop 2 new best friends

do it

18:12

PU_FeelsAloneMan

i think eliza is down to be close lol probably cendren too

18:12

they are both nice to me feelsamazingman

feelsamazingman

18:13

it's refreshing to have EU friends that aren't CONDITIONALLY nice to me lol

18:13

well there's bencie and jana too

18:13

sorah maybe

18:13

sorah and i fight sometimes but i love sorah

ahem

don't act like u are always nice to me lol

18:14

but sure you're up there too

ahem

lcsgee too

18:14

nice dude

thats my way of showing love

18:15

:(

tbh

18:15

u and skeith are so fucking similar

18:15

that's not a complaint or anything

18:15

but it's true

Skeith is way more chill

idk

18:16

not always

@lynn have you seen the anime nodame cantabile

nop

you will love it if u like classic music

18:17

also its a great anime

18:17

better than the famous anime movie about the pianist guy

18:18

thanks to this anime i found out about Maurice Ravel - Bolero

18:18

its good

I'm not crazy about classical music but I'm always down for a good anime rec

18:18

even though I don't really watch it

Skeith is a lil betch

lynn

even though I don't really watch it

normie detected

18:18

I'm not really a weeb but some anime is okay

18:19

idk honestly

18:19

I watched a lot of shitty anime as a kid and that might have ruined it for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r30D3SW4OVw

The Wicked North

Maurice Ravel - Bolero

can you send this in a DM so I can listen later

18:20

I'll lose track of it and I'm about to go to the dentist

lynn

it's refreshing to have EU friends that aren't CONDITIONALLY nice to me lol

what does conditionally mean

many people who are only nice to me under certain conditions or circumstances

well i would find it weird if someone was always nice to u

18:22

ppl are not robots

18:22

they have moods

you have a way to misrepresent everything I say xd

greenthing

just mean that some people only do it when it benefits them

sorry for being too smart

yes of course that's why

BASED

18:23

BASEDHALT

18:24

what benefits can someone get from you

people have been way nicer to me though

also if someone is having fun by being nice to you

18:24

they are actually benefitting

18:24

so ur sentence is plain wrong

18:24

BASEDHALT

some people are nice to me when I do something for mapping or xpanic and then would rather make fun of me

18:25

in some days

18:25

let me go to the dentist now

ew

18:25

good luck

I hope this crown works I don't need a root canal

18:25

and*

18:25

otherwise that's even more of a threat to my ability to live alone lol

18:26

so much money

I enjoy suffering through it though, it's the price u pay for living in a cool place I guess

"cool"

18:35

i wouldnt call cool a place where u gotta drive to do anything

18:35

i prefer a big city like barcelona

18:35

greenthing

meh driving is fine if there's barely traffic

18:41

if anything u have a greater deal of shit to do

18:42

but ofc our density of cool shit is worse even if there is more stuff

lynn

@louis if you want a better example go look at what Tsin said in #deleted-channel

lynn you are the only person who mentions me the most not sure if you are my biggest fan or just jelous

or maybe your life doesn't exist without thinking about me hehehe =]

@Tsin i love u

Meekrioz u laughed from me on Heartcross (you wrote kek) so for that I don't love you anymore

we must seperate, both of us must go diffrent ways.... Choose your path, be free. Be like a bird... fly above people and "sheep" on them with everything you have I bet you didn't realise you will get such a reply

^^

NOOO :(((

monkaS

Meekrioz

NOOO :(((

next time write =]

1

=[[[[

Tsin

lynn you are the only person who mentions me the most not sure if you are my biggest fan or just jelous

or maybe your life doesn't exist without thinking about me hehehe =]

why do u always try to make fun of me or something

I never make fun of you I just reply in the same tone like you do by writing about me... it rly can't get simplier =]

i actually have no issue with u but u always write essays when i say like "ddmax" in a sentence

post-admin depresion

19:24

obsession

LMAO

19:24

but jao doesn't

19:24

was jao admin

jao got a life

lol

truest

wait there's someone else too right?

HMH was admin

wasn't welf something?

i wonder where he is

mod maybe?

welf is a special case

wdym

but i dont think he was ever admin

19:25

lot of drama around welf

huh I see

welf is a seasonal ddnet troll

i can't wait for his return

hes probably reading the messages rn on an alt

welf was a test leader

Tsin

Meekrioz u laughed from me on Heartcross (you wrote kek) so for that I don't love you anymore

we must seperate, both of us must go diffrent ways.... Choose your path, be free. Be like a bird... fly above people and "sheep" on them with everything you have I bet you didn't realise you will get such a reply

^^

sheep will fly higher

19:26

bitch

hmmmmmmm how much higher ? =] (edited)

higher than you can know

tsin how do u feel about new ddmax maps

19:27

make a category for simple drag parts

why did u ask

19:28

he is gonna write an essay

19:28

citing the ddmax bible

hhahaha

lynn make a category like that and release ddnet maps there

i don't really care, i actually want to know what he thinks

@Tsin i heard somebody say ddmax sucks

ah ok he won't tell me

19:28

i used to be more like tsin

19:28

then i stopped giving a shit

19:29

sometimes i randomly give a shit and then I hibernate for a month

give a shit about what

im like wepf

19:29

welf

19:29

wepf wtf

19:29

random things

19:29

normally testing

do u know welf?

ofc

19:29

we used to talk more

19:29

then he disappeared

his alt is probs here

19:30

i think it was some zelda pfp

idc if he wants to talk to me, i think some stuff he said was reasonable though

19:30

but ofc he preferred to be reactionary and devalued himself

ah ye

19:30

he does that

he does have good opinions on things though

19:31

it's just lost in his emotions

19:31

nothing you can do about it i guess

do u know hi_leute_gll?

he'll be back

monkalaugh

yea but not really

19:31

I know OF him

19:31

and the aoe drama

hi_tler_gll was a seen name those days

ugh the sensitivity is making me nauseous (edited)

19:31

ok bbl

monkalaugh

dentist is back

welf had a large ego

sooo mature writing about someone on internet................ rly both of you get a life

wat xd

=]

guys

19:34

I can't refer to anyone on the internet

19:34

this is so hard

19:34

maybe I need to add more pronouns?

19:35

so I can distinguish two people

19:35

pls advise

19:35

my pronouns are dd/max

19:35

the dentist left me alone again, big mistake

19:36

but i only have like 60 seconds

louis

welf had a large ego

yes

19:36

apparently nauseous autocorrected to nervous

@Ryozuki do u watch dota pro scene?

Tsin

sooo mature writing about someone on internet................ rly both of you get a life

is it really better to talk about a dead server network like it needs respect compared to talking about other people, if you REALLY think about it

Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance

@Ryozuki do u watch dota pro scene?

i used to a lot

19:37

i kinda do yet

Do u think puckchamp could win vs cis now?

holy shit my face is so numb

is vp removed?

im gonna drool all over the fucking floor

19:38

look out

Ryozuki

is vp removed?

They won one lost one iirc

3 The roster of Virtus.pro will compete under the tag Outsiders.[9]

Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance

They won one lost one iirc

the stupid player at VP

19:38

drew a Z

19:38

on the map

19:38

vs ukranians

what the fuck

(virtus pro is a russian team)

Oh damn

degens

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/uekh1l/virtuspro_outsiders_player_pure_draws_z_symbol/

r/DotA2 - Virtus.Pro (Outsiders) player Pure draws ‘Z’ symbol durin...

2,216 votes and 981 comments so far on Reddit

19:39

here is the drama

19:39

on dota reddit

just ban and move on

19:39

no sense attracting attention to russians

valve has to decide what to do

xd

but public opinion is that ye

Pure alway was troll

just ban and ignore them

19:40

Russians love media attention

19:40

it's how they keep their power

@Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance honestly im not well versed in the cis region

19:40

but i think team spirit has it

LMAO seeing cis used like this is so weird

19:40

what is the cis region, Poland?

CIS is eastern europe

huh

Probably bb ts and vp will get to the major

Commonwealth of independent states

19:41

CIS (Commonwealth of Independent States) Countries 2022

cis region just sounds like a country of cis people xd

Bb will 100%

Image attachment

brb again

19:41

dentist

Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance

Probably bb ts and vp will get to the major

if vp gets to major shits gonna be wild

19:41

i hope they dont

but whats the reson of a championship if you ban everyone you dont like

Usually if people do shit they just lose draft time

some players got banned from events before for way less

ye

19:43

you are a professional player

its only about this team yes?

its about this guy

ok then its justified

he drew a symbol known to be worn by russiaans killing ukranians

i thoughts its about baning russains from sports

vs a team of ukranian players

19:44

the Z

either way, vp is fucked since theyre already pro war

19:45

and they cant justify to only punish this one player

But there were no official messages about the punishment yet, right?

bts ( the organizer of the qualifier) just said that theyre in talks with valve (edited)

lynn

is it really better to talk about a dead server network like it needs respect compared to talking about other people, if you REALLY think about it

I killed it and i wanted to keep it dead, its people like you who must write about it all the time and when I reply about it then you have some kind of heart palpitations

talking bad about ddmax was never a personal attack

greenthing

1

u all never realise one thing by writing bad about ddmax is writing about all the mappers who did spend a lot of their time and effort to do something for others Thats why I can't allowe to insult them.

i dont think mappers are that passionate about their maps. i personaly dont like half my maps once they get to release

Image attachment

19:52

=]

and whenever ddmax is mentioned its rarely just to talk shit about it. it literlay just evolved into a way of describing parts/maps because people understood what is meant

Ryozuki

drew a Z

What was the game?

19:53

I wanna watch

Tsin

I killed it and i wanted to keep it dead, its people like you who must write about it all the time and when I reply about it then you have some kind of heart palpitations

i have heart palpitations?

20:18

i should go see a doctor about that

20:18

thank u tsin

20:18

if u check every time tsin has replied to me it started with like 2 sentences from me kek

kek

Im 'corneum

and whenever ddmax is mentioned its rarely just to talk shit about it. it literlay just evolved into a way of describing parts/maps because people understood what is meant

i seriously don't see what's wrong with it. we're not even saying every ddmax map is like that, just like 90% are

20:19

or maybe less idfk

20:19

but seems like a lot are

its enough for the term to make sense for most people so that justifies it

it is more concise to say "ddmax" rather than simple drag part

20:20

if we want to say simple drag part every time then we will die 5 years sooner with all the keystrokes used (edited)

tbf ddmax doesnt explain it well

we should come up with a better name then

since its not rly a universal definition

not going to use three words for it

20:21

after all we already consider hammerfly to be one word

20:22

we are lazy AF

20:22

and mostly German

when someone says a part is "ddmax" i imagine a uninspired dragpart

can we call it a lazy drag

its just there

cuz that's literally what it is

20:23

I love ddmax by the way I'm not shitting on it

yeah i mean we understand it but maybe not new mappers

didnt you start after ddmax? how did you learn what it meant in that context

honestly we should catalogue all the different type of dragparts and get names for them

20:26

cus drag part can encompass a lot

i dont think its necessary

Im 'corneum

didnt you start after ddmax? how did you learn what it meant in that context

looking in testing sessions and playing a lot of ddmax

Im 'corneum

i dont think its necessary

yeah def wouldnt be used but would be nice to have technical terms for em

when it comes down to it you will always find a way to describe the part. with screenshots, tele numbers or saying which moves are done or what part come before or after

20:28

what kinds of parts do you mean actually

a lot of ppl call dragging a hanging tee "dummy drag" which doesn't make sense to me

20:28

for example

yeah those 2 get confused

20:29

maybe call the dragpart where one tee hokds the ceiling a pull part?

Im 'corneum

didnt you start after ddmax? how did you learn what it meant in that context

I played a single ddmax map and I understood

20:29

I don't think it's a big deal

Im 'corneum

when someone says a part is "ddmax" i imagine a uninspired dragpart

i imagine a tight part with just drag parts

20:30

and made in the most annoying way possible

ravillion

but ravillion has ideas. so if a ddmax map has good ideas but its mapped very bad to play, is it another kind of ddmax?

chaotic good ddmax

binary

ddmin

ddexist

arent ddmax maps on ddnet now for longer than they ever were on ddmax?

probably

20:42

do they really serve a purpose for ddnet anymore

20:43

feels like an odd duck category only for points

idk whatyou mean. the reson why they are on ddnet is because ddmax had died

with a few nice maps

20:43

yeah but now thatddnet is a lot bigger

20:43

my understanding is ddmax was on ddnet to attract players

20:43

idk tho

no i think it was to backup the maps

it was not to atract players

20:45

ddnet was already famous

20:45

actually ppl complained

20:46

cuz too many maps released every week

20:46

xd

20:46

Image attachment

20:46

the peak

20:46

is ddmax map releases

well what bozo decided to put ddmax on ddnet

deen i think

justatest

ban

its like an archive. there were hundreds of maps "lost" when ddmax initially died

deen_ban

deen_ban

i feel like they don't belong on ddnet with points and rankpoints being counted

20:50

well ig what i mean is it's like a totally different style of gameplay

@louis https://forum.ddnet.tw/viewtopic.php?f=113&t=1253

20:50

i think lady saavik pushed for it

Image attachment

20:52

gigachad

Should worry more about having fun, ddmax is fun

zgokee

Even if it's brainless fun

Im 'corneum

zgokee

rip

oh look they are again writing about ddmax like it would be their most important topic in life. how sweet and very very very nice of them =] troll

troll

tsin you should go into marketing

indeed troll face

got everyone talk about something absoulutely irrelevant

greenthing

1

*posts may contain sarcasm

Skeith didnt even respond to me

Tsin

oh look they are again writing about ddmax like it would be their most important topic in life. how sweet and very very very nice of them =] troll

troll

the sun is shining

yeah, it doesn't matter what they write about you. The most important is that they do =]

there are cooler things in the world than discord

21:15

wait maybe it's not shining there

21:15

you might be from europe

21:16

@louis come back

21:16

troll

lynn

there are cooler things in the world than discord

like what

fuck idk

lynn

Skeith didnt even respond to me

HI

21:18

the american metro

Tsin

oh look they are again writing about ddmax like it would be their most important topic in life. how sweet and very very very nice of them =] troll

troll

and let's not lie to ourselves here, it is 100x more important to u than everyone here combined

Skeith

HI

hi bb

21:18

there are a couple of ddnet gifs on discord

Im 'corneum

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@ᶰ°Konͧsti should be boss of ddnet !!!

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@[D] Angelina how old are u

why? stalker

says you

lmao

21:53

18-19

you?

21:53

oh

21:53

Im 28

you or me?

21:54

ah

yeap

why say 18-19

21:54

i'm 28 too :3

21:54

perfect

You 18 or 19

[D] Angelina

i'm 28 too :3

Naaah i dont believe it

why

are you single corpse?

flushBlush

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YE finally a good question jana

You dont act like it

jana

are you single corpse?

Nope ı have a bf

[D] Angelina

YE finally a good question jana

HAHAHHAHAHHAA

Deleted User

You dont act like it

in-game? (edited)

what is this reaction

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i have only the poor version

[D] Angelina

in-game? (edited)

finally a true sentence

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Lmao

21:56

He is gonna say rude now

21:57

too predictable

Deleted User

He is gonna say rude now

and also... she*

Oh

21:57

Are u sure

wtf...

Deleted User

Are u sure

LOL

lmao im joking calm down

we girls we understand each others

no not really atm

me and corpse yes

not from what I see

Jana is my spirit animal right now

xD

hisnail

we both girls and both 28 yo... already so much in common

21:59

and both nice

Both !?

yeah you should marry it’s insane

ye me and you, both

22:00

fuck already 0:00

nice !?

22:00

You !?

jana

yeah you should marry it’s insane

it's probably forbidden in turkey...

the person who talks behind my back ?

who?

you

to welshi you mean?

Yeah

it wasn't meant to be behind your back, he told me he was in contact with you, i was 100% sure he would tell you or send screenshots, like you did

angelina called for vote to kick you

?

22:02

i'm afk

[D] Angelina

it wasn't meant to be behind your back, he told me he was in contact with you, i was 100% sure he would tell you or send screenshots, like you did

No he didnt btw

jana

angelina called for vote to kick you

fake report as usual

I was in the server at that time

WTF

With a different name

uff.....

22:03

you stalk me for real

Im on to you

but....

You cant escape from me

i missed something

justatest

monkaS

ah

22:04

wtf is Samiess @Deleted User

22:04

your Instagram??

Im your worst nightmare

maybe i have brainlag (edited)

Deleted User

Im your worst nightmare

what? answer the question...

Im not using instagram

then what is it

Samies mean same in a cute way

ahh

22:06

ok thx :3 very cute

uWu

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uwu

uwu

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