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Between 2022-04-27 00:00:00Z and 2022-04-28 00:00:00Z
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WhatsApp now has ddnet spectator emoji
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Ryozuki
@Learath2 i love america
and you're taking Blaire White seriously because..???
04:38
she's a walking oxymoron, supports Trump and she's trans
04:40
unrelated, but even Caitlyn Jenner has terrible opinions, we have no proper trans representation
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lynn
and you're taking Blaire White seriously because..???
it's also clearly a joke lol
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us politics are part of giant joke frfr
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real
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lynn
and you're taking Blaire White seriously because..???
Checkmark = 100% valid and serious
05:58
she's a meme
05:58
conservative and so is Jenner
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Conservative trans person is a mind boggling concept for me, like how? :D
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There is a wailing toddler at me gate. I'm currently considering doing a blood sacrifice to guarantee he doesnt end up next to me on the plane
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For once I don't have shit seatmates
08:57
Could it be that my life is finally turning around?
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Learath2
There is a wailing toddler at me gate. I'm currently considering doing a blood sacrifice to guarantee he doesnt end up next to me on the plane
This is so cringe. People who are annoyed by children are more annoying than children could ever be
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lol what
10:19
children are annoying af
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Im 'corneum
This is so cringe. People who are annoyed by children are more annoying than children could ever be
Who even wants a toddler wailing in their ear for a 3 hour flight???
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U guys really fell for the kids bad meme
10:57
Spergs
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Meme? It physically hurts my ears. Why am I not entitled to a peaceful flight?
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I hate children on the plane, it’s fucking hell trip like
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10:59
And they are always will sit near to you by the law of meanness
10:59
feelsbadman
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OOOH NO THERE IS A KID ON MY AEROPLANE IN GOING INSAAAAANE
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Im 'corneum
OOOH NO THERE IS A KID ON MY AEROPLANE IN GOING INSAAAAANE
I hereby curse you to a crying baby right next to you for the rest of your life. Hope you enjoy it
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bruh when they cry the whole flight its just a pain
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babies in general are just a pain
13:05
idk why people want them
13:05
besides tax benefits
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louis
bruh when they cry the whole flight its just a pain
Corneum loves it, the more they cry the better
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worse than a baby tho is the 5~6 year old kid who has bad parents so they complain and cry and scream on purpose the whole flight
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A baby atleast you can't control so no solution. Parents that won't handle their kids should get added to the no-fly list
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Learath2
Corneum loves it, the more they cry the better
Life has never been better, the invention of high quality noise cancelling headphones prevented more suicides than suicide hotline
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I have a very good pair. They work as long as the crying kid is atleast 2 rows away
13:20
They aren't great at cancelling non-monotone sounds
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Yeah i have similar ones but i also tried sonny 1000mx4 and the future is looking bright
13:21
I give it few more years
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I'm on the xm3's they are excellent
13:22
So impressive how good they are at making things like engine sound completely disappear
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Yup but sadly cant use headphones everywhere :/
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Learath2
Corneum loves it, the more they cry the better
its not that i would enjoy it very much. what ticked me off is that i saw you complain about this 2 times before already. something thats like a minor inconveinience. as if youre hoping for this to happen just so you can complain about how much you hate kids again. how can you be this cynical and still wonder why you are depressed? grow up
13:40
and dont take this as hate. i respect the work you are doing and clearly you are pretty smart judging by your programming skills. sadly you inteligence might be whats holding you back. youre too smart to understand what kind of a retard you are
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How is 3 hours of not being allowed to sleep a minor inconvenience. It's almost like you don't travel much
13:43
You started from the fact that I'm a depressed mess and extrapolated to me hating kids. A lot of very functional people don't enjoy little kids crying next to them on planes
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Learath2
You started from the fact that I'm a depressed mess and extrapolated to me hating kids. A lot of very functional people don't enjoy little kids crying next to them on planes
of course they dont. but not alot of fuctional people lose their shit about it every single time it happens.
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I literally said one sentence about it. How am I losing my shit here?
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you said you would perform a blood sacrafice to prevent it?
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Have you heard of the term sarcasm or maybe exaggeration? Do you actually think I would perform a blood sacrifice?
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no. but it sure was cynical
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I'm not sure what definition of cynical you are assigning to me here. "concerned only with one's own interests..."?
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idk another word but i mean it just feels like you want to be mad
13:48
again, dont take this the wrong way i still like you but it just pissed me off kinda
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I don't want to be mad, hence I would prefer if there wasn't a baby next to me, since they keep me from sleeping. Sounds very logical to me
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but no matter how good your situation is, there will always be things to complain about. why dont you just imagine how it could be much worse and then be thankful that its not that way
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Not complaining about anything is a saints virtue. I'm not one. I highly doubt you are either. Do you never complain?
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this is a situation where you have no power. so there is no logical reason to complain. of course there are other situations where it would be the right thing (edited)
13:55
or do you want to complain for so long until its illegal to travel with kids
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Interesting discussion
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So people are only allowed to complain if they can change something?
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i just think in this situation it would be in your own interest not to
13:59
and not to get frustrated
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bro, i gotta say, if it happens once for 3h it's bearable, but if it happens every now and then it's more than inconvenience
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I don't quite get what complaining or not complaining accomplishes. All that matters is the result. I did not get a kid next to me, hence I didn't get annoyed. The fact that I voiced my concern here didn't change much in that equation
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i swear if a kid is crying all the time on the plane my only thoughts would be "whats the best way to kill this kid"
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Ryozuki
i swear if a kid is crying all the time on the plane my only thoughts would be "whats the best way to kill this kid"
reddit
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BASED luckily thoughts are not crime yet
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put the kid in the overhead compartment
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Ryozuki
BASED luckily thoughts are not crime yet
soon to be
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@Im 'corneum seriously if you actually think like this, you are a much better person than me. In theory it makes sense, but I don't know any of these ideal people who don't get mad at things they cant influence
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i get mad at stuff like this all the time but im trying not to and it feels like it helps
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how is disliking screaming babies a reddit moment (edited)
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i shouldnt have edited this 20 min ago
14:04
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the killing whas what reminded me of reddit
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child free mfs is reddit moment i understand
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I think you are annoyed at people on reddit. Noticed a pattern on me and just redirected your annoyance to me who you can address unlike the people on reddit
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why do U guys even have reddit?
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reddit is a good porn site
14:05
no joke
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BASEDHALT
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Overlord
why do U guys even have reddit?
I don't even read reddit except for things sent to me
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Overlord
why do U guys even have reddit?
r/place
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Learath2
I think you are annoyed at people on reddit. Noticed a pattern on me and just redirected your annoyance to me who you can address unlike the people on reddit
actually youre right.
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was the only reason
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Overlord
why do U guys even have reddit?
i prefer reddit because even if its rly bad, its better than twitter
14:06
and on niche communities things arent a disaster
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anything is better than twitter
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the idea behind reddit is nice to have forums on different topics in one place, but the execution well... it's internet
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Voxel
anything is better than twitter
it's like choosing between a cow dung and horse shit
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well its the internet if u go to the frontpage of reddit
14:06
but if u have a game u like and visit its subreddit
14:06
its fun
14:07
i mostly visit dota 2 and rust subreddit
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the"redditor" culture is stupid af but yeah small subs are chill
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Well missed my train. Am I allowed to be annoyed at that? :P
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Learath2
Well missed my train. Am I allowed to be annoyed at that? :P
r u on italy
14:08
or turkey
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Learath2
Well missed my train. Am I allowed to be annoyed at that? :P
only at Ur own incompetence!
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Ryozuki
r u on italy
Back to italy now
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Learath2
Well missed my train. Am I allowed to be annoyed at that? :P
no.
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back to 🇪🇺
14:08
BASED
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come to usa
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Ryozuki
but if u have a game u like and visit its subreddit
true, i dont have an account, but when i wanted to find a new dance pad the guides there were really nicely done
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join us in usa
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Overlord
only at Ur own incompetence!
I already am permanently annoyed at my own shortcomings. Corneum is right that I'm a very negative person
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Learath2
Well missed my train. Am I allowed to be annoyed at that? :P
uhm the train didnt even wait for me?? reddit moment
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Learath2
I already am permanently annoyed at my own shortcomings. Corneum is right that I'm a very negative person
it's because U still care about these
14:10
just accept U're flawed forever!
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Ryozuki
back to 🇪🇺
Finally, high speed trains ❤🇪🇺
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remeber there are no brakes on the feel train
14:13
btw, i always wondered as a kid, when people are unhappy in their jobs, why dont they learn something in their free time, to change the jobs
14:14
and i gotta say after a month of working in a timetable that defienietly doesnt suit me, i was right, U just need a month to adjust and then U can do things to leave the shithole
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cuz u usually need a degree
14:14
which means 6 years in uni
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and many money
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:(
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u dont need a degree
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thats just what ur american system taught you
14:15
to put you in debt
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depends on what u tryna do
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where im currently working at, having a degree is a must, yet i dont have one
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i can definitly say you dont need a degree to become a developer
this 2
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well if u work at rocketry
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maybe
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yeah, but if I go to a hospital and ask for a surgeon job with no proof of prior knowledge idk man
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i'm a strong proponent of self learning, its just that you need more will on your own to keep it up
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You can do a lot without a degree. A lot of trades are with on the job training. You can become a welder, an aircraft technician, woodworker
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I mean fair enough
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Electronics repair is another one that doesnt require a full degree
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Welshi
yeah, but if I go to a hospital and ask for a surgeon job with no proof of prior knowledge idk man
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im sweating cuz if i disconnect wrong pc at hospital, people do have problems ( i still hope noone dies )
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also i learned there's a way to circumvent the degree requirment, which is starting Ur own buisness
14:19
ofc no surgery, unless we go for the black market
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black market surgeon sounds badass, im gonna do that
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I'm not so sure about the aircraft technician though monkaS
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they're usually former doctors or ones that lost their license / stopped studying without passing finals and so on
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Pipou
I'm not so sure about the aircraft technician though monkaS
You dont self learn it but you don't need to go to uni for it
14:22
There are trade schools for that
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or find really understaffed place, and they will teach U on the job ^^
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cant you just take like the final tests to get aofficial degree? you just need to pay the guys to look at it but you dont need to pay for their school
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impossible, if it worked like that unis would collapse
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Im 'corneum
cant you just take like the final tests to get aofficial degree? you just need to pay the guys to look at it but you dont need to pay for their school
Hm, dunno, maybe its offered in some countries
14:25
In europe universities are almost all very cheap anyway
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I agree that you can get a lot from your experiences on the field but going to university helps you, guides you and sort of saves time instead of wandering around trying to find a solution to your problem, by yourself (edited)
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cheap but time consuming, especially first 1.5 years
14:26
i personally think, during the first year of uni (not last years) should be actual work practice in the field, because theory and how the world actually work are two totally different things
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If you absolutely must go to uni, you need to be able to afford the time off work unless you are in nordic countries where they pay you for going to uni so you can live
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Yeah, that's another problem unfortunately..
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Either your parents or your government needs to pick up the slack :D
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or, get any degree (philosophy included) and go for goverment job
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That's certainly a possibility, govt jobs pay decent and have good retirement packages
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yeah, also they're very light and have lots of free time
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Depends on the country I guess justatest
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i would say in 70% of the world gov jobs are neat but we gotta differenate them
14:32
like i have a goverment job, and it's utter shit, but a friend of mine is IT at town hall / city hall, and he plays games all day, brother's GF works in city archive, and is on discord all day, and looking at memes
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The difference between studying and learning on the field and copying is that, when you study, you are pushed 1 step further ahead in order to master what's below that very step. It helps in understanding what you are doing, and you are ready in case of special events, if something wrong happens because you are in control
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Medium scope IT jobs are excellent if you know what you are doing and want to have a lot of free time.
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There should just be a right mix of both theory and practice
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Pipou
The difference between studying and learning on the field and copying is that, when you study, you are pushed 1 step further ahead in order to master what's below that very step. It helps in understanding what you are doing, and you are ready in case of special events, if something wrong happens because you are in control
Well some jobs are better when you learn on the field. You could read about welding a billion times and I guarantee you'll be shit at it your first couple goes
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hmmm, when U learn theoretically about many different things, and then meet one of them on the field, the theory isnt that good unless U truly remember it which is very rare to remember how to exactly act during something U never encountered before
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Others are the opposite, you can't learn structural engineering on the job, you need a lot of theory
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Yeah, it depends on the jobs, nonetheless there should always be a sort of balance between theory and practice
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Learath2
Others are the opposite, you can't learn structural engineering on the job, you need a lot of theory
just let some bridges collapse, which made my small city famous for few hours on internet
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Pipou
Yeah, it depends on the jobs, nonetheless there should always be a sort of balance between theory and practice
Definitely
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Overlord
just let some bridges collapse, which made my small city famous for few hours on internet
If we were like a millenia back we would learn structural engineering on the job. Make arch, if it doesn't hold make arch again.
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there's a running joke in my country which goes:
  • employee gets on interview*
boss: forget everything U learned at Uni. employee: that's great because i didnt go to university boss: then Sir U're unqualified for this job, goodbye
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Nowadays we are quite certain our buildings will hold before there is ever any stone laid :D
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There should also be a better association of theory and the field, as Overlord says, you'd be lost in front of a real situation if you only did theory. If you could learn the raw information then apply it to a real situation, you might as well understand the process even better
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imo it should be like at vocational school, 4 days of theory 1 day of practice (or 3:2)
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More like morning/afternoon would be better
14:41
Otherwise most would forget
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U mean like practice the very thing they learned?
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i meant more like, free worker for company (or paid as in company is being compensated) and also theory at uni
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Oh ok I see
14:43
The problem is that, you will rarely do what you are studying for because it's 1 step ahead (edited)
14:43
And you might not have the chance to apply what you just learned
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my biggest problem is how big of a time waste are the first 1.5 years at uni ( out of 3.5)
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i know people start at different levels, but i heavily believe there's so much bullshit only to fill in time to make people drop
14:44
so they go on weekend school where 40% of that is gone
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weekend = privately paid
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That could be a way to "filter" people out
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it indeed filter me out :(
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i had other circumstances aswell but, this was the biggest reason
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but i plan to start my own company in a few years anyway, so unless they will do some sheniganis in law that U have to have a degree in certain field to run certain type of company, then im safe
14:48
but between us, i think i might aswell go back to the uni and waste time there just to avoid taxes (and working for the time being)
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Overlord
but between us, i think i might aswell go back to the uni and waste time there just to avoid taxes (and working for the time being)
Reported to the authorities (edited)
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Learath2
Reported to the authorities (edited)
it's legal tax evasion*
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That sounds great 😄 Do you already have a business plan, an idea of what it could be ?
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yeah, im gonna use my hospital connection to fish for depressed people and sell them pre-made noose ropes
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in reality, i think i would want to go for IT security, reversing apps and stuff
14:51
so it's more of being paid by the job than by an hour
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Overlord
yeah, im gonna use my hospital connection to fish for depressed people and sell them pre-made noose ropes
How much?
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@Learath2 just enough that they can afford, but probably 400% margin for myself
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Lmk when the product is out
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You say you have a connection with a hospital, do you already work in the security field ? (edited)
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i work as IT in hospital
14:54
the security there is a joke
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but plyz dont attack, till my contract ends, because im legally obliged to sit and cry there if that happens
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Do you have the blueprints ?
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of what
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The building
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just use any ipscanner, U will get entire network no need to go inside xD
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but yeah if U want a map
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then it's on site
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i have printed version in my pocket cuz i get lost often
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it's tiring job, doctors are really just walking HDD, and sometimes quite inhumane, people are dying and when U cut the queue, they're about to kill U but then U say U work there and so on
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though my favorite part (Aside from being a cleaning lady, a transport guy, because HOW CAN WE GIVE THIS 30 KG SERVER to somone else than IT since we're responsible) is, when i break something remotely, get called and then am being thanked for fixing it xd
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Never worked in a hospital but that doesn't sound great and it remains a hospital, so not so attractive
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yeah i thought it will be like that, city hall IT
15:00
but in reality, there's work, work, work, and also a lot of outsorcing
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i didnt like ERP but after this job i gotta say i rather do ERP and make 3-4x times the cash even tho im just a trained monkey
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than being a trained monkey for medical programs
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What's ERP ?
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Ok I found out myself
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erotic role play
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accounting and shieet
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@Overlord ERP with me
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But anyway I know how it feels to change and to take a completely different path
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@Stepfunn anyday, 50$ an hour
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Pipou
But anyway I know how it feels to change and to take a completely different path
i only know how it feels to go from NEET to Wagie
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But aren't you my dad. That's kinda weird
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yeah, but i can also be Ur daddy....
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wagie wagie, get in cagie :(
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i think what i hate the most in working for other's the time constraints
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are* damn i must be tired
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I studied industrial control and automated regulation of processes and ended up working in peugeot which I hated before being a weaponry technician for the navy, on aircraft carrier
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I started studying again later and I'm now an English teacher
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But I'd like to go back to the army and be a teacher on the field
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but, in army, U're not responsible for urself, cant just bail? like at hospital, im on call if shit goes down
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army has it perks though
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but, first U had to experience all that to know / think about what U like
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Yeah that's it
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That was my point
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i for example, am glad for working 1.5 months for that erotic role play, because i learned about jobs that i never thought exist
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like making oxygen tanks (just the chemical part) for divers, or organising hunts on animals across the world
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I wish I could study some more and become a game artist
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Too many things to do in only one life
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tho the owner of hunts company, went to the underworld, because of simple operation at hospital that got him infected rip
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study by urself?
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or like i try to sneak study at job tho doesnt work too well since im in open office
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I did learn by myself and improved by practising but sometimes you need masters in the job to get better so I'd need to go art school
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U're not german right? monkalaugh
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Nope, french
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Working at Peugeot didn't give it away? 😄
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Haha @deen
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my cosuin works for rolls royce however it's spelled
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and didnt move out of my city so yeah nowdays U can never know
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Pipou
But I'd like to go back to the army and be a teacher on the field
All 3 of your careers sound very interesting actually
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except the english teaching
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How did you end up making the leap to english teaching? It's so different from what you've done in the past
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Pipou
I wish I could study some more and become a game artist
This is one of the things that don't require any real formal training. Just draw or model a bit on your free time and you'll probably be surprised at how fast you progress
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Because I had one teacher say that what would make the difference between each of us would be the ones speaking english so I started learning (quite late) and loved it and didn't want to lose it
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Yes but that's not enough @Learath2
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U could have learned all langauges of europe, just by playing euro truck simulator (though idk why it's most often insults :( )
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@Pipou trust learath it's enough
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Also, I always loved teaching, I used to be a music theory teacher when I was younger
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You probably won't ever get art in a AAA game, but nothing is stopping you from being an indie game artist
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So in a way, I gathered teaching, english, (the army maybe?)
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art school can only teach technical stuff though, as in colour blending, perspective, and other art related details, but what makes a good artist is the amount of practice
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I don't know about painting and drawing but I learned music in a conservatory and I met the greatest masters of our time, in my discipline at least, and I couldn't have been greater if I never met them (edited)
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That's why I kind of despise people learning music by themselves
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I believe it can't get close to perfection, you need that guidance
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Years, decades of greatness and perfection, gathered in front of you
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You can't get better advice
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i heavily disagree, my grandpa was considered one of the best in the country when it came to tuning instruments, he did that for famous artists of his time, and what is considered "best" is not always equal to true best
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it's defienietly a shortcut to tap into the knowledge of people whose experience is greater than Urs, but if we only did that, then we would never move on, never get better
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Yeah it definitely saves you years of "research"
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experience is not something U can buy, and style of music if it's just recreation of somone else's will never be great. (also when electronic music became a possibility, everoyne was a newbie)
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so why despise them :(
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It might just be me, reaching for perfection
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I don't mean to be arrogant by the way
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It's just more efficient so you can explore the delicacy, the depth of the art (music here)
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i have nothing but admiration when people learn and try by themselves, for example i was learning to play guitar from a pro for 6 years? or so, but im just arythmic (as in my rythm sucks, and i constantly heard it when i played + it defienietly wasnt my passion) but this taught me how much time it takes to learn something U're not good at, imo it's the worst feeling in the world, wanting to learn/do something but having difficulties just because U lack natural perequisites, and on top of that lots of people dont have spare cash to learn from others.
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Pipou
It's just more efficient so you can explore the delicacy, the depth of the art (music here)
then it's best to get into orchestra, or some other type of group meeting to exchange experiences, like they do with IT security, they organise conventions, and people mostly go there to talk with each other, than to listen to somone's lecture (except newbies, they listen to lecture but dont understand, while those who understand are not interested :/)
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I'd say it's better if you start early but yeah it takes quite some years, at least 10 to be completely at ease
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Not really @Overlord
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You rarely talk about music or tips in orchestras, there is not tip to receive
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Pipou
It might just be me, reaching for perfection
How can one even reach perfection in such a diverse and subjective field? What does it even mean to make perfect music?
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To master your instrument, and to be one @Learath2
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well im not well versed in the music world, but i would say it's like cooking competition, U can never be sure U're the best, only by trying Urself against / with others U can get better, just learning from insert X person wont make U into somone great
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Or in art, my preferred lineart style might not be your favourite. How can one say a drawing is universally perfect?
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Pipou
To master your instrument, and to be one @Learath2
Hm, so you are talking more about a mechanical mastery here not that the product is perfect, beyond reproach
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I see what you mean and where we are going, we could talk about aboriginal music and all sorts of performances, such as contemporary music which is more abstract
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reminds me of this, sorry for the pixels
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In my case, it was more about classical music which has rules
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It's not just about "perfect" music but about perfect (and beyond) use of your instrument
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Do you understand what I mean, it's hard to put my finger on it
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do You mean perfect recreation of a certain piece?
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That could be a part of it, but not only, it's how you perform
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Pipou
In my case, it was more about classical music which has rules
I mean weren't there different periods where different rules applied? I think what became "classical" has more to do with what was enjoyed at the time. (Not that I'm very knowledgeable in this field, more curious)
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Yes of course but most of the rules still apply today
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so far it sounds like, japanese dojo masters telling their students, that if they achieve perfection in X school of the sword, they will be perfect swordsmen (atleast to me, and i still believe if somone is a classical music enjoyer, then there's nothing wrong with learning on Ur own and even taking aprt in competitions if possible)
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One more reason I can think of is that, when you have a teacher, he knows where he's leading you and what to achieve. If you were alone, you'd be tapping around, not being efficient, not knowing what to do and how to improve
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Some people can tell when they are wrong, what we call self-criticism
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And some can't at all
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How to improve if you don't know you are doing wrong ?
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you don't
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idk, this one i can speak by experience, because even if U're a total newbie, at piano, if U turn Ur headphones on and listen to 2-3 notes, then U can learn where they are by corresponding sound and try to play them
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that's why it took a lot of time to improve before modern ages
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and that's why new fields are progressing quite slowly
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because you find wrong things only by experience which can take some time
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I guess if you want to learn a specific sort of art style to imitate or something like classical music where there are rigid rules, it might indeed be better to work with a teacher
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Because how are you supposed to know the rules of composing something that sounds like baroque music e.g.
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We got interesting topics today 😄 it's good hearing what you think and debating
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Pipou
We got interesting topics today 😄 it's good hearing what you think and debating
when do U think it's a good time to say goodbye to the teacher, and walk on Ur own though?
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Yeah, kept my voyage very entertaining
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When the bell rings
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gigachad
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no but for real, i had this exact situation back when i was learning english
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You never say goodbye, in music, we are all a big family
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it kind of felt pointless to keep going ( aside that we could have talked more, because i sound like im from india :( )
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I think if you've mastered your instrument, you have the tool to create on your own. At that point a teacher doesn't sound very interesting
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We all keep in touch, everyone knows everyone
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turns more into colleague than a teacher?
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the question is when to stop attending lessons though, when do U feel like he has nothing to teach U anymore
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More into friends to me
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I believe, U believe it's only up to teacher to say he has nothing more to teach U?
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Overlord
no but for real, i had this exact situation back when i was learning english
This is actually a very nice topic to highlight both sides of this argument. Depending on your goals you might be better served by a teacher or just more practice
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But yes @Learath2 it depends on the teacher, but if you are talking about a master then you just became one yourself so you are almost (basically) a copy, you'll have time to keep up your level and improve over the years (edited)
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oh i missed the convo
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If you want to learn more english to ace a test or you are interested in linguistics, you probably want formal education. But if your goal is to sound native more formal education won't exactly help
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i think its rly hard to sound native, but probs the best way is to live there
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It's very easy to lose. Easier to lose than to improve (edited)
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Overlord
I believe, U believe it's only up to teacher to say he has nothing more to teach U?
Well not really, it's mutual, and you get degrees
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Pipou
But yes @Learath2 it depends on the teacher, but if you are talking about a master then you just became one yourself so you are almost (basically) a copy, you'll have time to keep up your level and improve over the years (edited)
a copy huh, well i would like to have a copy of somone else skills and work upon them, but it all depends on how much time it takes to "get their skills"
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then again i still think of it as sword-learning, where ultimately it's not from who U learn from, but how much U practice on Ur own
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Ryozuki
i think its rly hard to sound native, but probs the best way is to live there
English was just one example in the larger convo. We are doing the self-learning vs formal education and how they relate to practice debate :P
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one thing i know is that i would never work for the army
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U cant learn somone elses experiences tho
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even more if ur in a position of risk
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Ryozuki
one thing i know is that i would never work for the army
i would but only starting from corporal :-)
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honor is stupid, when you die, it all ends
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its a means of phiscological manipulation
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Overlord
U cant learn somone elses experiences tho
weird to answer to myself but what i mean is, U can have 200 hours of self defense practice, and then in a real situation with a real knife/machette it's all different
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Overlord
a copy huh, well i would like to have a copy of somone else skills and work upon them, but it all depends on how much time it takes to "get their skills"
It takes a few years, at least 8h a day
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Learath2
English was just one example in the larger convo. We are doing the self-learning vs formal education and how they relate to practice debate :P
practice makes perfect
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i think someone in dota says that
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@Ryozuki would U learn dota better learning from a pro, or learning by Urself?
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while learning from somone is all great, i think it kills the natural curiosity of trying things out and getting Ur hands burnt
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but a pro can shorten ur path
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massively
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true, but even if he tells U what to buy, and how to behave, it's ultimately Ur hands playing, and they dont have that experience
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I agree with @Ryozuki
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i think being a pro makes self discovery easier
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aka finding new stuff
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and i stand with @Learath2 , so we need 5th person to finish this
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Even someone who is "less good" can become good by practising over again and again
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Ryozuki
i think being a pro makes self discovery easier
i think it does opposite, he will tell U that U shouldnt do that it's a waste of time, or it's sensless
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someone with massive knowledge of algorithms is bound to create his own algorithm easier
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being a pro lays out a base
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not taking advantage of people who know stuff is stupid
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its like reinventing the wheel
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2000 years of knowledge wasted
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and i stand with @Learath2 , so we need 5th person to finish this
Well my position isn't really that clear cut. I see the value of both and see how one might be more applicable in one field while the other is better for another field.
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maybe artisan fields are better with practice
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while theory fields require lot of knowledge
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@Ryozuki im not talking about reinventing the basics, but since we are on MOBA example, it's like people riddiculing somone playing on support a character that is not a real support, then a pro does it and it's suddenly a good meta
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well, a pro doing it gives it credibility
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more so if he does it in an official match
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against known good players
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idk
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my main point is... to not despise people who try on their own, because it's hard, and not everyone has means to learn from a pro
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Somebody really willing and feeling like wanting to go further than just blowing a few notes in his flute should have the chance to learn from a pro (edited)
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but no pro will waste his time to teach for free?
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nowadays its rly likely a pro uploads tutorials
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to internet
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I don't know how it works in other countries but if you mean to learn music in your town in France, it's almost free
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it's defienietly not the same experience, U cant ask question, on something U cant understand, U have to figure it out all by urself, and sometimes it's something minor that is not covered even on the depths of internet
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It's about less than 100€ for a year in a conservatory
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french flexing on the rest of europe like it's medieval era >:(, should have been born a 1000km further west
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Pipou
I don't know how it works in other countries but if you mean to learn music in your town in France, it's almost free
In turkey you need to be in a large city and you need to be pretty good at your instrument already. Only the best couple thousand get to go to the conservatorys
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Very cheap in turkey too though, would be about 100€ a year aswell
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back when i was learning it was around 25€ a month for 1h a week privately (cuz i suck balls >:(, cheaper in group but still privately)
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Might be the same here or almost. I started in the conservatory of the town where I lived then I had to pass a test to enter a bigger conservatory in a large city because they would prioritise pupils from their city and you had to prove that you are worth it, taking a "slot" (edited)
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i wanted to make sure i understand the word U guys are using so i decided to ask google...
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defienietly not a lot of space
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Ye that's where you learn to music
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no wonder it's so cheap, i probably had to pay the building expenses!
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Yours looks fancy, mine was more like that
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Without the light
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i have seen too much hentai to know where this "learning" is going monkaS
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but yeah, probably in classical music world, U will never meet somone self taught
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my way of thought is like in law schools, U need connections to go higher and higher, if U dont know anyone, then it doesnt matter how good U are
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all masters are self taught
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how else should they get the master 😄
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master jupstar
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Jupstar ✪
all masters are self taught
They're self practiced, they most likely had a teacher early on
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Yeah, connections help, but if you are good people talk and everyone knows it already
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but u can learn anything, just need tryhard
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how else should they get the master 😄
from another master ? justatest
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everyone knows linus torvalds (edited)
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Pipou
Yeah, connections help, but if you are good people talk and everyone knows it already
if the masses go to a concert, they just go with the flow, to not look "uneducated"
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linux WHO?
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typo lmao
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xd
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i only know bill gates, who controls me through 5G
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shit wrote my master's name with small letters, time to get re-educated
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btw, i can totally understand pipou, when i was a kid, i thought i really need a teacher to learn something decently, but that was false, i only need a teacher to discipline me and talk shit about me, else i get lazy :l
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It depends on the teacher too !
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how was that movie called
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Some do it for the money, some to teach, some for the students
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Ryozuki
how was that movie called
the moment U asked i too frogot
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Whiplash
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Pipou
Some do it for the money, some to teach, some for the students
the secret ingredient is, U cant live without money, even if U enjoy teaching
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i personally find people who teach others, but still learn themselves, the best teachers
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Don't worry, being a teacher in France is not about money xD
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1500€ per month 😌
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lots of days free
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and not that bad work to free time ratio
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we're talking regular school teachers aint we?
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Clearly not haha
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Yes, highschool and college (for me)
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if we talk uni professors, then LOTS OF free time
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Pipou
1500€ per month 😌
Only 1500€??? I thought france would treat it's teachers better
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Learath2
Only 1500€??? I thought france would treat it's teachers better
wait till U learn how much csgs runescape earns in belgium
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Learath2
Only 1500€??? I thought france would treat it's teachers better
its a real issue in france every candidate at the presidential had something for teachers
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That's like minimum wage in france, no?
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Minimum wage is about 1200/1300
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the only thing i have for french teachers are... MORE TAXES
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@snail hisnail
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idk how it works in the wide world, but in my shithole, teachers salary depends on the amount of years worked
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@Ryozuki ill be ur teacher for free
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😏
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PES_Blush
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Elect melanchon, maybe a socialist would treat teachers better
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a cock or rooster say's weird things to cute anime girl, i hope it's going where i think it is
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But being a teacher means preparing lessons, correcting tests, extra hours for management purposes, teachers' conferences
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Preparing lessons is time consuming
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being a good teacher*
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exactly
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bad teachers use decade old work
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and repeat
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Yeah, that shouldn't be a thing xd
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but a good teacher, can also have all his lessons perpared, because cirriculum doesnt change that often, only do tests where it is necessary
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because cirriculum doesnt change that often
better ask teachers if that's actually the case 😄
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That's not quite true @Overlord
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i had only two really dedicated teachers during my school life, and i gotta say one had prepared all his year work, and it was up to what was required of us later on exams
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almost like he knew in advance what they gonna use on national exam
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i also know only 1 truly dedicated teacher
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that teacher introduced me to linux
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he is probs retired now
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@Ryozuki mine linux teacher, had us reinstall it for 40 hours or so, and i can easily say im expert at following gui to install ubuntu
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that teacher was hated by most other teachers
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he actuallyt wanted to remove all the windows cruft
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and use linux
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libre software (edited)
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in a public school
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based as fuck
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Ryozuki
i also know only 1 truly dedicated teacher
I obv don't personally know him, nor have I taken a class of his. But Prof. Walter Lewin is probably the most dedicated teacher I've ever heard of or seen
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His physics lectures are out of this world quality
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would be cheaper for school, but idk if school like this work everywhere or just here, if school doesnt use up all their money in a year, they get less money next year
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You have governmental expectations and programs which change and you must integrate your lessons in the present in what they call the "task-oriented approach" which means the students have to be involved in the process of learning, they must act, you can't just do a lecture
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yeah but when students are working, all U have to do is somewhat supervise them?
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Yes or prepare what's next
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Supervising is exhausting don't worry (edited)
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😄
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depends how much effort U put into supervising, i rather only have them ask questions when they hit a wall
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Learath2
I obv don't personally know him, nor have I taken a class of his. But Prof. Walter Lewin is probably the most dedicated teacher I've ever heard of or seen
well mine was just a high school teacher
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im sure there are lot of dedicated uni teachers
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xd
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makes people develop more in my opinion, they're more likely to act in real world, than wait for somone to tell them what to do
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i think ppl should learn philosophy
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its essential to think critically
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Anyway, to have your students be involved, interested in what you do, you must be interesting yourself, you must show them that you like what you do and that you also do it for them. By showing them that you respect them comes mutual respect.
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Ryozuki
i think ppl should learn philosophy
should be optional at schools like religion and sex ed is
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Overlord
should be optional at schools like religion and sex ed is
why optional
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thats stupid
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sex ed definitely isn't optional in germany
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because atleast where i am it's enforced for 5 hours for 1 year (yes 1 school year = 5 hours )
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sex ed here is just 2 classes
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xd
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heinrich5991
sex ed definitely isn't optional in germany
what is there to learn about D: (Except all the diseases, but it's more of health ED)
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how your body works? how the body of the opposite sex works?
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also info about contraception is useful
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and U cant do that during biology class?
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how much time U need to learn that sperm can fertilise egg, women bleed, and boys lose hair :(
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sex ed is part of biology class in germany
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that should be 5h tops like philosophy in poland 5h and we move on
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Ryozuki
im sure there are lot of dedicated uni teachers
The problem with uni teachers is that they mostly don't have a training for didactic matters, in pedagogy (edited)
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Pipou
The problem with uni teachers is that they mostly don't have a training for didactic matters, in pedagogy (edited)
it's also a problem for technican highschools
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Oh yeah, that's true
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After all I've learned in pedagogy classes, I can't believe nor accept that it's possible to have teachers out there who don't know shit about it
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It's the core, it's not about what you teach, it's about how you teach it
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Ryozuki
i think ppl should learn philosophy
I second this proposal
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Philosophy especially the basics are essential to rational thinking imo
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It's actually mandatory in turkey
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that would lead to either less depressed people, or more of them
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so it's a real gamble for my noose company
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Ryozuki
i think ppl should learn philosophy
I totally agree with that, but teachers learns it in the worst way Then student keep thinking over years that’s only bullshit
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@Ryozuki hollande
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wanna 1vs1 with my big anaconda
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is ur conda fully engineered
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not still
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have to farm still, sadly, but i'm lazy
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i have a corvette
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but not fully engineered either
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have a friend whohas the imperial cutter, he's almost fully
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too OP, you can easily charge, hit someone to break his shield, you don't have to worry about yours
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@ReiTW idk
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the federal corvette is the best offensive ship in theory
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need to get the prismatic shield generator
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from the elite dangerous WAIFU
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Ryozuki
@ReiTW idk
I can't play well odyssey
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I get around 30-40 fps on planetary when doing fights
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The companion site for Elite:Dangerous. Market data, CMDR's logs, squadrons, logbooks, galleries, powerplay, engineers, blueprints, crafting, galaxy info, news and more...
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it's not optimized at all
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this is me
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get a better gpu 4head
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and enable amd fsr
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have a 1060 6G
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thats bad for today
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amd < nvidia
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lol no
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i have a 6600 xt
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i run at 144fps
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cuz limited
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if im in space unlimited i get 400 fps
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too much
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I would agree for intel vs amd but not amd & nvidia
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afterall nvidia has experience with all the shitty stuff they do in medicine
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(AI etc..)
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it helps
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amd is better for my use case
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they are nearly on par
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with perfomance
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and way way way better linux support
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and i like more their openness
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nvidia is so shady
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this was way more right years ago
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its still true
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its cuz it stored the ship layout in the url
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stores*
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equality
lol 1
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if saddo was a twitch streamer
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