its not that i would enjoy it very much. what ticked me off is that i saw you complain about this 2 times before already. something thats like a minor inconveinience. as if youre hoping for this to happen just so you can complain about how much you hate kids again. how can you be this cynical and still wonder why you are depressed? grow up
13:40
and dont take this as hate. i respect the work you are doing and clearly you are pretty smart judging by your programming skills. sadly you inteligence might be whats holding you back. youre too smart to understand what kind of a retard you are
How is 3 hours of not being allowed to sleep a minor inconvenience. It's almost like you don't travel much
13:43
You started from the fact that I'm a depressed mess and extrapolated to me hating kids. A lot of very functional people don't enjoy little kids crying next to them on planes
Learath2
You started from the fact that I'm a depressed mess and extrapolated to me hating kids. A lot of very functional people don't enjoy little kids crying next to them on planes
but no matter how good your situation is, there will always be things to complain about. why dont you just imagine how it could be much worse and then be thankful that its not that way
this is a situation where you have no power. so there is no logical reason to complain. of course there are other situations where it would be the right thing(edited)
13:55
or do you want to complain for so long until its illegal to travel with kids
I don't quite get what complaining or not complaining accomplishes. All that matters is the result. I did not get a kid next to me, hence I didn't get annoyed. The fact that I voiced my concern here didn't change much in that equation
@Im 'corneum seriously if you actually think like this, you are a much better person than me. In theory it makes sense, but I don't know any of these ideal people who don't get mad at things they cant influence
I think you are annoyed at people on reddit. Noticed a pattern on me and just redirected your annoyance to me who you can address unlike the people on reddit
I think you are annoyed at people on reddit. Noticed a pattern on me and just redirected your annoyance to me who you can address unlike the people on reddit
btw, i always wondered as a kid, when people are unhappy in their jobs, why dont they learn something in their free time, to change the jobs
14:14
and i gotta say after a month of working in a timetable that defienietly doesnt suit me, i was right, U just need a month to adjust and then U can do things to leave the shithole
I agree that you can get a lot from your experiences on the field but going to university helps you, guides you and sort of saves time instead of wandering around trying to find a solution to your problem, by yourself(edited)
cheap but time consuming, especially first 1.5 years
14:26
i personally think, during the first year of uni (not last years) should be actual work practice in the field, because theory and how the world actually work are two totally different things
If you absolutely must go to uni, you need to be able to afford the time off work unless you are in nordic countries where they pay you for going to uni so you can live
i would say in 70% of the world gov jobs are neat but we gotta differenate them
14:32
like i have a goverment job, and it's utter shit, but a friend of mine is IT at town hall / city hall, and he plays games all day, brother's GF works in city archive, and is on discord all day, and looking at memes
The difference between studying and learning on the field and copying is that, when you study, you are pushed 1 step further ahead in order to master what's below that very step. It helps in understanding what you are doing, and you are ready in case of special events, if something wrong happens because you are in control
There should just be a right mix of both theory and practice
Pipou
The difference between studying and learning on the field and copying is that, when you study, you are pushed 1 step further ahead in order to master what's below that very step. It helps in understanding what you are doing, and you are ready in case of special events, if something wrong happens because you are in control
Well some jobs are better when you learn on the field. You could read about welding a billion times and I guarantee you'll be shit at it your first couple goes
hmmm, when U learn theoretically about many different things, and then meet one of them on the field, the theory isnt that good unless U truly remember it which is very rare to remember how to exactly act during something U never encountered before
boss: forget everything U learned at Uni.
employee: that's great because i didnt go to university
boss: then Sir U're unqualified for this job, goodbye
There should also be a better association of theory and the field, as Overlord says, you'd be lost in front of a real situation if you only did theory. If you could learn the raw information then apply it to a real situation, you might as well understand the process even better
i had other circumstances aswell but, this was the biggest reason
14:47
but i plan to start my own company in a few years anyway, so unless they will do some sheniganis in law that U have to have a degree in certain field to run certain type of company, then im safe
14:48
but between us, i think i might aswell go back to the uni and waste time there just to avoid taxes (and working for the time being)
Overlord
but between us, i think i might aswell go back to the uni and waste time there just to avoid taxes (and working for the time being)
i have printed version in my pocket cuz i get lost often
14:57
it's tiring job, doctors are really just walking HDD, and sometimes quite inhumane, people are dying and when U cut the queue, they're about to kill U but then U say U work there and so on
14:58
though my favorite part (Aside from being a cleaning lady, a transport guy, because HOW CAN WE GIVE THIS 30 KG SERVER to somone else than IT since we're responsible) is, when i break something remotely, get called and then am being thanked for fixing it xd
I studied industrial control and automated regulation of processes and ended up working in peugeot which I hated before being a weaponry technician for the navy, on aircraft carrier
15:08
I started studying again later and I'm now an English teacher
15:09
But I'd like to go back to the army and be a teacher on the field
This is one of the things that don't require any real formal training. Just draw or model a bit on your free time and you'll probably be surprised at how fast you progress
Because I had one teacher say that what would make the difference between each of us would be the ones speaking english so I started learning (quite late) and loved it and didn't want to lose it
art school can only teach technical stuff though, as in colour blending, perspective, and other art related details, but what makes a good artist is the amount of practice
I don't know about painting and drawing but I learned music in a conservatory and I met the greatest masters of our time, in my discipline at least, and I couldn't have been greater if I never met them(edited)
15:24
That's why I kind of despise people learning music by themselves
15:25
I believe it can't get close to perfection, you need that guidance
15:26
Years, decades of greatness and perfection, gathered in front of you
i heavily disagree, my grandpa was considered one of the best in the country when it came to tuning instruments, he did that for famous artists of his time, and what is considered "best" is not always equal to true best
15:27
it's defienietly a shortcut to tap into the knowledge of people whose experience is greater than Urs, but if we only did that, then we would never move on, never get better
experience is not something U can buy, and style of music if it's just recreation of somone else's will never be great. (also when electronic music became a possibility, everoyne was a newbie)
i have nothing but admiration when people learn and try by themselves, for example i was learning to play guitar from a pro for 6 years? or so, but im just arythmic (as in my rythm sucks, and i constantly heard it when i played + it defienietly wasnt my passion) but this taught me how much time it takes to learn something U're not good at, imo it's the worst feeling in the world, wanting to learn/do something but having difficulties just because U lack natural perequisites, and on top of that lots of people dont have spare cash to learn from others.
Pipou
It's just more efficient so you can explore the delicacy, the depth of the art (music here)
then it's best to get into orchestra, or some other type of group meeting to exchange experiences, like they do with IT security, they organise conventions, and people mostly go there to talk with each other, than to listen to somone's lecture (except newbies, they listen to lecture but dont understand, while those who understand are not interested :/)
well im not well versed in the music world, but i would say it's like cooking competition, U can never be sure U're the best, only by trying Urself against / with others U can get better, just learning from insert X person wont make U into somone great
I see what you mean and where we are going, we could talk about aboriginal music and all sorts of performances, such as contemporary music which is more abstract
I mean weren't there different periods where different rules applied? I think what became "classical" has more to do with what was enjoyed at the time. (Not that I'm very knowledgeable in this field, more curious)
so far it sounds like, japanese dojo masters telling their students, that if they achieve perfection in X school of the sword, they will be perfect swordsmen (atleast to me, and i still believe if somone is a classical music enjoyer, then there's nothing wrong with learning on Ur own and even taking aprt in competitions if possible)
One more reason I can think of is that, when you have a teacher, he knows where he's leading you and what to achieve. If you were alone, you'd be tapping around, not being efficient, not knowing what to do and how to improve
15:50
Some people can tell when they are wrong, what we call self-criticism
15:51
And some can't at all
15:51
How to improve if you don't know you are doing wrong ?
idk, this one i can speak by experience, because even if U're a total newbie, at piano, if U turn Ur headphones on and listen to 2-3 notes, then U can learn where they are by corresponding sound and try to play them
I guess if you want to learn a specific sort of art style to imitate or something like classical music where there are rigid rules, it might indeed be better to work with a teacher
15:55
Because how are you supposed to know the rules of composing something that sounds like baroque music e.g.
This is actually a very nice topic to highlight both sides of this argument. Depending on your goals you might be better served by a teacher or just more practice
But yes @Learath2 it depends on the teacher, but if you are talking about a master then you just became one yourself so you are almost (basically) a copy, you'll have time to keep up your level and improve over the years(edited)
If you want to learn more english to ace a test or you are interested in linguistics, you probably want formal education. But if your goal is to sound native more formal education won't exactly help
But yes @Learath2 it depends on the teacher, but if you are talking about a master then you just became one yourself so you are almost (basically) a copy, you'll have time to keep up your level and improve over the years (edited)
a copy huh, well i would like to have a copy of somone else skills and work upon them, but it all depends on how much time it takes to "get their skills"
16:05
then again i still think of it as sword-learning, where ultimately it's not from who U learn from, but how much U practice on Ur own
Ryozuki
i think its rly hard to sound native, but probs the best way is to live there
weird to answer to myself but what i mean is, U can have 200 hours of self defense practice, and then in a real situation with a real knife/machette it's all different
Overlord
a copy huh, well i would like to have a copy of somone else skills and work upon them, but it all depends on how much time it takes to "get their skills"
Well my position isn't really that clear cut. I see the value of both and see how one might be more applicable in one field while the other is better for another field.
@Ryozuki im not talking about reinventing the basics, but since we are on MOBA example, it's like people riddiculing somone playing on support a character that is not a real support, then a pro does it and it's suddenly a good meta
Somebody really willing and feeling like wanting to go further than just blowing a few notes in his flute should have the chance to learn from a pro(edited)
it's defienietly not the same experience, U cant ask question, on something U cant understand, U have to figure it out all by urself, and sometimes it's something minor that is not covered even on the depths of internet
In turkey you need to be in a large city and you need to be pretty good at your instrument already. Only the best couple thousand get to go to the conservatorys
16:18
Very cheap in turkey too though, would be about 100€ a year aswell
Might be the same here or almost. I started in the conservatory of the town where I lived then I had to pass a test to enter a bigger conservatory in a large city because they would prioritise pupils from their city and you had to prove that you are worth it, taking a "slot"(edited)
i only know bill gates, who controls me through 5G
16:29
shit wrote my master's name with small letters, time to get re-educated
16:29
btw, i can totally understand pipou, when i was a kid, i thought i really need a teacher to learn something decently, but that was false, i only need a teacher to discipline me and talk shit about me, else i get lazy :l
i had only two really dedicated teachers during my school life, and i gotta say one had prepared all his year work, and it was up to what was required of us later on exams
16:38
almost like he knew in advance what they gonna use on national exam
I obv don't personally know him, nor have I taken a class of his. But Prof. Walter Lewin is probably the most dedicated teacher I've ever heard of or seen
16:40
His physics lectures are out of this world quality
would be cheaper for school, but idk if school like this work everywhere or just here, if school doesnt use up all their money in a year, they get less money next year
You have governmental expectations and programs which change and you must integrate your lessons in the present in what they call the "task-oriented approach" which means the students have to be involved in the process of learning, they must act, you can't just do a lecture
depends how much effort U put into supervising, i rather only have them ask questions when they hit a wall
Learath2
I obv don't personally know him, nor have I taken a class of his. But Prof. Walter Lewin is probably the most dedicated teacher I've ever heard of or seen
Anyway, to have your students be involved, interested in what you do, you must be interesting yourself, you must show them that you like what you do and that you also do it for them. By showing them that you respect them comes mutual respect.