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does anyone here know what file is used for the weapon switch sound effect?

wp_switch-0x.wv

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #4928 allow changing the alpha of hook collision lines

ah thanks didnt know how i didnt see it

wtf is wrong with the cloud in the bottom xD we really need some mappers to make better default themes

Jupstar ✪

wtf is wrong with the cloud in the bottom xD we really need some mappers to make better default themes

It is depressed

Sad cloud

I remember I asked someone to fix the cloud movements back when we added it

09:05

I guess my request still stands, they also shouldn‘t jump around

@Jupstar ✪ getting a headless gfx backend to compile was astonishingly easy. Its still opening a black window lets see how hard that will be to remove.

09:17

Any opinions on the name of the headless backend should it be backend_headless or backend_null ?

backend_null

:c

09:25

oke

aight, so didnt touched the ddnet source since 2021 june, im not a big developer but tryna do something, when i want to build, or any interaction with the source code i got this;

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10:31

any idea?

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #4989 Add null backend

Thanks to @Jupeyy for the idea. Replacing graphics_threaded_null.h with a null backend makes code maintenance and memory cleanup easier. Fixes these memory leaks in headless client (https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/4970) ``` Direct leak of 1048576 byte(s) in 1 object(s) allocated from: #0 0x4b6f6d in malloc (/home/runner/work/ddnet/ddnet/san/DDNet+0x4b6f6d) #1 0xd92ffb in CTextRender::InitTextures(int, int, IGraphics::CTextureHandle (&) [2], unsigned char* (&) [2]) /ho...

mate

aight, so didnt touched the ddnet source since 2021 june, im not a big developer but tryna do something, when i want to build, or any interaction with the source code i got this;

looks like just warnings

10:38

just ignore

Jupstar ✪

just ignore

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10:42

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how can something with 0 errors even fail?

10:43

Visual Studio is so scuffed

idk, i can build the ddnet-server.exe & others

10:45

i just cant build, or run the ddnet.exe

looks like vs is wrongly configured, just try a clean build

10:47

too much trouble finding out what went wrong xd

Jupstar ✪

looks like vs is wrongly configured, just try a clean build

tried, same

use cmake directly

10:58

cmake gui

G U I

11:00

just do cmake ..

11:01

@Jupstar ✪ teach me how to write renderers xd

the smallest geometry is a triangle

11:02

build many triangles

11:02

do some math

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11:02

its soooo broken

11:02

that is multimap spawn haha

c'mon the gl 1.x way is ez af

ncursesw > opengl

11:03

change my mind

>opengl 1.x indeed xd

xd

11:04

it looks like some abstract art

chillerbot PNG

da

11:07

Who can guess which map that is? :p

11:07

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chillerdragon 18

dafak

11:08

no it Copy Love Box

11:08

obviously

too bad kinda looked like a gores map

the unprintable characters are unhook :D

11:10

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11:10

i see no difference

9.36 KB

12:19

rip

12:19

someone know how to solve this? (edited)

Try running this

12:23

sudo apt install build-essential cmake git google-mock libcurl4-openssl-dev libssl-dev libfreetype6-dev libglew-dev libnotify-dev libogg-dev libopus-dev libopusfile-dev libpnglite-dev libsdl2-dev libsqlite3-dev libwavpack-dev python libx264-dev libavfilter-dev libavdevice-dev libavformat-dev libavcodec-extra libavutil-dev libvulkan-dev glslang-tools spirv-tools

[quakenet] ChillerDragon

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clb

12:39

ah you answered it

12:39

anyways xd

12:39

did you make console tw map renderer? lolz

@Ryozuki i saw you starred HTTPie their loss of 54k stars makes me sad what a mood killer. Weekend ruined.

12:49

@gerdoe wait you guessed it? o.O pro

12:49

because console is the best platform!

12:49

^ that statement sounds weird

what happened that they lost 54k stars xD

12:56

went to paid version?

12:56

ah they tell on the github page

12:56

xD

12:56

they made it private

yes its very dramatic

but why should this ever happen xD

13:00

kinda sounds like they did it on purpose

read the blog

13:00

its very detailed drama

13:00

but be warned its a very sad story!

13:00

Tbh I can totally relate I also accidentally even deleted repos I didnt want to delete

like github doesnt say smth like "Do you really want to make ur repo private"

it does

see

and it makes you type in the repo path

13:01

doesnt help

13:01

i manually typed out every letter on my phone :D still was the wrong repo haha

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13:01

c'mon

its about the missing alter that those repos have different value

13:02

one is empty and one is fakin superstar famouse

but even then

13:02

not like you dont double read doing stuff like that

you dont if its about an unimportant repo :D

yes, on your private account

well its an unimportant repo on a org

ok i still find it kinda weird

wow shame on you

lmao

Think about all the stargazers that died or acedentally deleted their internet permanently... those stars will never come back

13:04

10fakin yrs

but i agree github should show what damage you cause

13:04

like 50k stars gonna be lost

13:04

oh ok, lets do it anyway

13:04

its just a random repo

I can't anymore

13:05

thinking about it is downspilaling me

13:05

DOWNSPILALING

13:05

yes

they already have 10k back

So it was all a marketing move?

13:06

To wipe out old zombie stargazers

yes sopon they have 70k

and get github to tweet from their official acc

13:06

and ryo the nob got baited axaxaxaxax

ez af

ryo stoopid sheep got scammed by the 1% repteloid masterminds running the world and working on httpie

u dont need to scam ryo

cringe who stars a python project anyways

just put random rust code into your repo

13:07

so it shows in first place

xd

even if it doesnt use that code

13:07

he sees he clicks

Make the whole codebases filenames end in .rs and in the Makefile you have like mv foo.rs foo.py xd

13:08

and yes... python devs are big on Makefiles! they even use bam and autoconf!

13:10

@Jupstar ✪ now that ddnet has a vulkan renderer will you promote ddnet as one of the best game engines?

13:10

I see big potential in ddnet replacing unreal engine and godot

yeah what the fuck is unreal engine

Its cross platform. Low level. High abstraction. Light weight. Network enabled. Multi renderer.

this is REAL LIFE ENGINE

ddnet is op

13:11

and its free to use and modify

13:11

no fees

ddnet engine, spearheaded by soapy sandwich

no ads

13:11

no backdoors

13:12

im half joking and half hyped xd

13:12

who needs 3d anyways

13:12

oh and it even compiles to android haha

13:12

and web

and runs with 1k fps

holy shit

13:13

its literally better than blender

xd

https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/2.79/game_engine/index.html

13:13

blender game engine is so nieche somehow

blender does 3d? big whoop, we got acq by louis

xd

13:14

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13:14

had to look it up but thats exactly what i expected

next step is writing own GPU driver for teeworlds

13:15

then own os

Voxel

blender does 3d? big whoop, we got acq by louis

i mean blender is a 3d tool

hi ryo

then death star sized computer

13:15

then 1trillion fps

13:15

roadmap

actually the best open source 3d computer graphics software

2023

and trend setter

13:15

BASED

13:15

aPES3_ChadShirtRip

dont get me wrong blender is op and also used. But not their video editor and their game engine

the game engine got removed iirc

Seems like nobody uses those

its not the goal

oh wow it did

the video editor is getting lots of improvements

13:16

whats the last version u used?

kdenlive > blender

13:16

change my mind

blender is at 3.1 right now

13:16

they getting updates out like crazy

last time i used video editor was the old ui from 1998

ah

13:17

then dont say stuff

i am still waiting for amd path tracing support

xd

opencl never worked

ok i quiet

for me

y

13:17

@Jupstar ✪ u mean AMD own cuda thing?

13:17

i hope they make open source good stuff

rocm

13:17

its amd

13:17

they always trend setter

ye

13:17

nvidia virgin follower

13:17

amd chad trend setter

yeah ez

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYWzMvlj2RQ

Linus Torvalds: Nvidia, Fuck You!

nvidia wants to move to opensource i read?

linus knows it

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-Ampere-Firmware-Blobs

NVIDIA Publishes Signed Ampere Firmware To Finally Allow Accelerate...

Days after new open-source kernel driver code appeared in a Tegra code drop, NVIDIA happens today to have published signed firmware images for their RTX 30 'Ampere' graphics processors for finally allowing open-source driver support to proceed for these latest-generation GPUs.

13:19

i hope they finally go open source, bcs then i can decide between 2 manifactures

13:19

thats luxus xd

xd

13:19

i will stay with amd for now

13:19

nvidia is more shady

13:20

they rly are greedy af

13:20

locking ur gpu not allowing u full freedom on what u can use

13:20

etc

xd

13:20

amd also still uses closed source firmware

13:20

when do we finally get open hardware

13:20

good ones

13:20

high end

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d

13:21

someone gift this to me

13:21

ty

its around intel 12000k level right?=

13:22

quite impressive

above

13:22

they made this specifically cuz intel showed 12900

13:22

or smth

considering intel uses like 1 gigawatt/h and has 10000ghz clock

it uses the 3d cache stuff

13:22

xd

i cannot believe intel sucks so hard

i think my keyboard is dieying

i just wonder if they hold back

it registers double keypresses sometimes

13:23

sad

they still at smth around as good as 7nm

13:23

its not dieying

13:23

it needs chemicals to remove oxidated copper

hmm

https://www.amazon.de/Kontaktreiniger-Universal-KONTAKT-oxidl%C3%B6sender-973977013314/dp/B07BL2SZN5/ref=sr_1_2?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=T6X0ZYK57LFO&keywords=kontakt+60+chemie&qid=1650115459&s=instant-video&sprefix=kontakt+60+chemie%2Cinstant-video%2C46&sr=1-2

Kontaktreiniger Universal 100 ml, KONTAKT 60 ist ein oxidlösender K...

Kontaktreiniger Universal 100 ml, KONTAKT 60 ist ein oxidlösender Kontaktreiniger mit (973977013314)

13:24

i tell ya

13:24

i spray this shit into my mouse and it works again

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13:24

monkaS

i always had trouble with logitech mice

@Jupstar ✪

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13:25

look the massive cache

13:25

it has

13:25

GIGACHAD

Ryozuki

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see, when u next revolt against spain, you also have good grenate

monkalaugh

Ryozuki

@Jupstar ✪

yeah insane

13:26

i still want to see a soc from amd or intel tho

13:26

x86 vs arm

13:26

BATTLE

Ryozuki

@Jupstar ✪

but here again, what happens if intel just does it

13:27

they should stop holding back

13:27

i want minecraft modded 60fps finally

Jupstar ✪

i want minecraft modded 60fps finally

lol i play mc modded at 120 with shaders

13:27

144 without

13:27

the key is to use fabricmc with sodium

13:27

instead of forge

xd

and minecraft 1.18

13:28

which uses java 117

13:28

17

13:28

which has a way better GC

13:28

parallel

the mods i played didnt work on new versions last time i checked

1.8 java rly is behind in perf

13:28

i tell you

in fact they had to use java 8

13:28

yeah

13:28

i know

well with modern mc u can play mods at high fps

13:28

i did it

i believe u

13:28

but fact is i play with friends and everyone has the mod he likes

13:28

but i also didnt look last 3 years

fuckyousnail

maybe it changed xd

13:29

but i also want mc modded 240 fps

lots of mods are updated and available for fabric too

so im still fine with intel hurry up

well i think if u buy this cpu

13:29

5800x3d

13:29

u can do it

xd

13:29

its max like 10% faster than intel isnt it

13:29

i've seen benchmarks, and it was around same level

13:30

just at much lower energy

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13:30

hmm

13:30

it might not be better

13:30

xd

funny enough intel CPUs arent so overpriced anymore still overpriced, but much less than before ryzen

the ks is the best

13:31

sadge

but depends on the task

the ks msrp is 739

13:31

amd one is 499€

13:31

thats a lot of value

13:31

per €

13:31

well change both for $

13:31

xd

but the 129000 has 8 cores more doesnt it

13:32

8 energy saving cores

16 (8P+8E)

13:32

ah ye

13:32

the 5800x3d has 8 real cores

i am not really against these energy cores, but they'd need to put much more of them

13:33

like 24 or smth

13:33

for compiling source code xd

also the 5800x3d uses half power

13:33

than ks

yeah thats nice

13:34

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13:34

when 5950x3d

i wonder if amds cpu can scale up

13:35

next gen could be really good

13:35

at like 200w xd

moores law

13:35

amd can

13:35

BASED

but single threaded moores law is basically dead

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m1 has good perf single threaded, but sadly apple & you never know how good the chip really is xD

apple does lot of stuff

13:36

specially with the ssd

13:36

they disabled like flushing or smth

13:36

xd

yeah its in macos generally

13:37

but yeah unfair comparission if u dont use the same OS

Chillerdragon: the blender game engine was removed on the blender 2.8 rls, they advised to move to other game engines and gave godot as an example https://www.blender.org/download/releases/2-80/

@Patiga yo found anything?

@Jupstar ✪ nothing more fun that a rust on linux thread on hackernews

14:50

and c developers justifying null terminated strings

are strings not 0 terminated on rust?=

no

14:51

a String keeps track of the length

14:51

this allows for optimizations in some places btw

yes quite possible

https://www.ralfj.de/blog/2022/04/11/provenance-exposed.html

Pointers Are Complicated III, or: Pointer-integer casts exposed

In my previous blog post on pointer provenance, I have shown that not thinking carefully about pointers can lead to a compiler that is internally inconsistent: programs that are intended to...

wait :fuckyousnail: is a thing?

i need to take some time to read this blog series

14:53

its about this https://doc.rust-lang.org/nightly/core/ptr/index.html#provenance

core::ptr - Rust

Manually manage memory through raw pointers.

14:54

(but talks about c too ofc)

i'd like to see a pure safe rust impl of the vulkan backend, best is with similar behavior

14:54

wanna see how well it would work out

@Jupstar ✪ i mean sometimes u may need to use unsafe

14:55

for addresses u know exist in a hardware

14:55

and stuff

14:55

the point of unsafe is to isolate those parts

yes but i wanna see the difference in safe vs unsafe for "normal" software

idk about implementations, i only know wrappers

14:56

https://github.com/vulkano-rs/vulkano

GitHub - vulkano-rs/vulkano: Safe and rich Rust wrapper around the ...

Safe and rich Rust wrapper around the Vulkan API. Contribute to vulkano-rs/vulkano development by creating an account on GitHub.

e.g. pure safe software can maybe get the few % boost by alolwing directly reading from kernel space

14:56

so maybe its worth it

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14:57

honestly it loosk cool

but its just a wrapper

Plans to prevent all invalid API usages, even the most obscure ones. The purpose of Vulkano is not to simply let you draw a teapot, but to cover all possible usages of Vulkan and detect all the possible problems in order to write robust programs. Invalid API usage is prevented thanks to both compile-time checks and runtime checks.

14:57

but it tries to do this

14:58

Can handle synchronization on the GPU side for you (unless you choose do that yourself), as this aspect of Vulkan is both annoying to handle and error-prone. Dependencies between submissions are automatically detected, and semaphores are managed automatically. The behavior of the library can be customized thanks to unsafe trait implementations.

14:58

this sounds cool too

yeah sounds interesting

14:59

so its not just a wrapper

iirc vulkano is used by most higher level libraries in rust

14:59

that use vulkan

but rather smth like opengl

u can go wrong with opengl

14:59

theorically its better than that

14:59

BASED

opengl is pretty robust

15:00

but yeah it offers better features inbuild

15:00

not required to use debug stuff from drivers or external tools

15:03

just wait for first tripple A game in rust

15:03

gonna be interesting

15:04

@Ryozuki when do you learn driver coding, so you can contribute to the new linux rust code

monkaS

15:04

when they add it finally

15:04

for now t hey just testing stuff

15:05

https://github.com/Rust-for-Linux/rust-out-of-tree-module

GitHub - Rust-for-Linux/rust-out-of-tree-module: Basic template for...

Basic template for an out-of-tree Linux kernel module written in Rust. - GitHub - Rust-for-Linux/rust-out-of-tree-module: Basic template for an out-of-tree Linux kernel module written in Rust.

15:05

well

15:05

i may be able to use this

lets see if it really attracts more ppl i've often read that rust makes it easier to join coding but i kinda doubt that tbh, logic errors in drivers sound harder since its very low level anyway

what do u think a ez module can do

15:06

The kernel that the module is built against needs to be Rust-enabled

15:06

ah rip

15:06

im 2 lazy to change my kernel

xd

@Jupstar ✪ imagine if c had first class support for docs

15:10

and u could go to 1 web with all the docs for all libraries

15:10

https://docs.rs/

15:10

BASED

u dont need docs for c

https://lib.rs/

Lib.rs — home for Rust crates

Jupstar ✪

u dont need docs for c

hisnail

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i am not a c fan if you think that xD

15:12

without templates any language sucks xd

well rust has generics

yeah rust is pretty i think

15:13

only OOP sucks with rust

actually

15:14

what would be the equivalent of a template?

C is the supreme language of gods, stop insulting it

is template more like a macro?

15:14

or just a fancy name for generics

c is small af, so i kinda understand it survived so long

15:14

its very basic

Ryozuki

is template more like a macro?

c++ templates

Learath2

C is the supreme language of gods, stop insulting it

that would be HolyC sir

Jupstar ✪

c++ templates

yes we talking about that

i use templates for all kind of shit tbh xD

Ryozuki

what would be the equivalent of a template?

I don't think rust really has what C++ would call templates, generics are the closest I guess but no sfinae means very different sort of behaviour and capability

bcs they are way too powerful and overloaded and it kinda feels like they is more to learn about them than to learn from c++ itself xD (edited)

i feel like with rust ast macros u can do pretty much anything templates can

15:16

+ generics

15:16

templates are turing complete

15:16

and so are rust macros

@Ryozuki you can indeed, but macros in rust I feel are more cumbersome to work with

only thing i still miss is some logic to completly replace C preprocessor makros

Learath2

@Ryozuki you can indeed, but macros in rust I feel are more cumbersome to work with

they are definitly a language on their own u have to learn

15:17

ppl want to make it easier

i often come across still using them even if i try not to

exporting/importing macros is weird, their namespacing is weird, proc_macros even weirder

15:18

But they are extremely powerful indeed, having the entire AST to work with is great

Learath2

exporting/importing macros is weird, their namespacing is weird, proc_macros even weirder

yeah the limitation with proc macros is they need to be in a separate crate

15:18

cuz some constraints

15:18

they need to be parsed before or smth

15:18

but honestly

15:18

proc macros are the most powerful

Jupstar ✪

@Patiga yo found anything?

sadly no, yesterday I tried to give up on webgl and just use webgpu and enable that testing-feature in my browser but without success, wasn't even able to load webgpu test sites happy

happy

dont ask me why, but long time ago i made a macro to turn a struct into a form

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xd

monkalaugh

Patiga

sadly no, yesterday I tried to give up on webgl and just use webgpu and enable that testing-feature in my browser but without success, wasn't even able to load webgpu test sites happy

happy

webgpu is defs cooler anyway

15:20

chrome and firefox might adopt it soon™️

15:20

but safari and opera are always 5 years behind

whats the problem with webgl?

yeah, though I'm not sure if I will have to wait 1 year or 3 for adoption :d

and webgl2?

at least with wgpu it doesn't allow me to use the normal linear color space

https://get.webgl.org/webgl2/

only srgb

Use a webkit 0day to achieve RCE and run the ddnet client directly

justatest

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Learath2

Use a webkit 0day to achieve RCE and run the ddnet client directly

seems like chrome has lot of 0days lately

15:22

if u seen the news

15:22

BASED

webgl is fine, but his rust library acts weird xd

The shortcoming, tracked CVE-2022-0609, is described as a use-after-free vulnerability in the Animation component that, if successfully exploited, could lead to corruption of valid data and the execution of arbitrary code on affected systems.

15:22

oh

15:22

use after free

15:22

i wonder what rust would have done here

2

15:22

BASED

panic

chrome devs must be rly bad

15:23

cuz good c devs cant get errrors

tru xd

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bannana: "just dont write bugs"

15:23

thanks sir

u mean that russian dev?

yeah

ah ye

sadly i cannot find his quote anymore xD

our game code is trash

but he was legend

he said that a lot

Ryozuki

chrome devs must be rly bad

They use filthy C++, that's why it's broken all the time

upgrade to C

Impure

BASED

but tbf, i have more crashes with firefox than chrome xD

what do u do

tbh i never really had a crash in chrome since a long time

my firefox doesnt crash

i dunno normally use it

15:25

but firefox is better for debugging

get more ram

15:25

64gb should be enough

128gb per tab

i wish minecraft was made in rust

15:25

i would have so much fun modding it

15:26

sadly there isnt games made in rust with rust modding

15:26

they all use shit lua

15:26

which is a pain in the ass

15:26

to write

xd

15:26

lua really sucks even more than java

its like javascript but instead it uses stupid looking tables

ngl using a compiled language that's not C for modding sounds like an absolute PITA

15:27

version breakings

15:27

every day

xd

Dynamic loading issues, function signature mess

SAVE THE ABI!!!

can suck, but we all learned one thing

15:28

c is a protocol

15:28

just use c as protocol

yte

to communicate between ur rust game and lib xD

c is the lingua franca

15:28

it was put in place by the romans

15:28

inquisition

15:28

all hail #[repr(C)]

15:29

the holy C layout

why arent there rust or c++ script languages

15:29

would be nice

there is

15:29

a rusty script lang

and they work completly?

15:29

i just want to start ddnet

https://github.com/rhaiscript/rhai

GitHub - rhaiscript/rhai: Rhai - An embedded scripting language for...

Rhai - An embedded scripting language for Rust. Contribute to rhaiscript/rhai development by creating an account on GitHub.

no compile but bad performance

if i made a game

15:29

i would use this

would be fine for debugging and coding

[ddnet/ddnet-web] Pull request opened: #186 Skeith stepped down & Corpse joined as mod

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so its a script language?

I think my favourite language for modding would probably have to be typescript

but i want a compiler that acts like a interpreter

its an embedded scripting lang

15:31

u can evend extend it

mhh k

15:31

but anyway i want an on fly c++ interpreter

15:32

i am also ok with rust, but since rust has harder requirements i dunno if that can work out

Jupstar ✪

but anyway i want an on fly c++ interpreter

Might perform awfully for no apparent reason

yes

Jupstar ✪

but anyway i want an on fly c++ interpreter

not a JIT?

i only want it for fast debugging/rewrite of specific code

Jupstar ✪

i only want it for fast debugging/rewrite of specific code

This might be interesting actually

Ryozuki

not a JIT?

idc tbh, but i basically want it like javascript debugging in browsers

15:33

just change one line of code to test simple stuff

in java some operations can be done

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while the program is running

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e.g if u dont add a function but modify it

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u can apply that change

15:33

the power of the VM

visual studio also has onfly recompiling but it was annoying when i tested it

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like 5 years ago xd

Ryozuki

the power of the VM

Objective-C can do that and is not interpreted, big magic

magick

15:34

magitech

Dark magick even

15:34

I monkeypatched SDL while trying to figure out the crash we had on mac

Ryozuki

u can apply that change

i learnt this modding mc btw

15:35

@Learath2 i see how u can use rust for modding

15:35

quill, our work-in-progress plugin API. Quill plugins are written in Rust and compiled to WebAssembly. Feather runs them in a sandboxed WebAssembly VM.

all closed source stuff should be done in java... ez to reverse engenering

u compile it to webasm

15:35

https://github.com/feather-rs/feather

GitHub - feather-rs/feather: A Minecraft server implementation in Rust

A Minecraft server implementation in Rust. Contribute to feather-rs/feather development by creating an account on GitHub.

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this minecraft clone does it

wasm is cute, maybe I'd take it over ts for modding

i mean with wasm ur not bound to a language

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thats the best feature

but wasm still has many drawbacks

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its still not c

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xd

xd

no but like pthreads and dynamic memory allocations stuff like that doesnt really work as you'd expect from a language like c

Jupstar ✪

its still not c

truly not c indeed

they often use javascript code then

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(at least emscripten does that)

hm

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from my understanding u need js to manipulate the dom (edited)

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but thats it

15:38

but i think in the future that wont be the case

Optionally, pass the linker flag -s PTHREAD_POOL_SIZE=<expression> to specify a predefined pool of web workers to populate at page preRun time before application main() is called. This is important because if the workers do not already exist then we may need to wait for the next browser event iteration for certain things, see below.

WebAssembly cannot currently directly access the DOM; it can only call JavaScript, passing in integer and floating point primitive data types. Thus, to access any Web API, WebAssembly needs to call out to JavaScript, which then makes the Web API call.

this is basically a dead lock everytime u wait for a thread

sadge

Jupstar ✪

Optionally, pass the linker flag -s PTHREAD_POOL_SIZE=<expression> to specify a predefined pool of web workers to populate at page preRun time before application main() is called. This is important because if the workers do not already exist then we may need to wait for the next browser event iteration for certain things, see below.

for pthreads

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this is a huge drawback imo

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no dynamic threads, or u cannot use threads on fly

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have to make ur code run in a waiting state again

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also wasm is still 32bit iirc

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"Memory Growth Building with -sALLOW_MEMORY_GROWTH allows the total amount of memory used to change depending on the demands of the application. This is useful for apps that don’t know ahead of time how much they will need." this calls javascript code

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else u need a pre defined memory pool

there is wasm64

yeah ok its not really a wasm limitation

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more like browsers supporting it

as always

yeah

[ddnet/ddnet-web] Pull request closed: #186 Skeith stepped down & Corpse joined as mod

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[ddnet-web:master] 2 new commits

8d9b717 Skeith stepped down & Corpse joined as mod - murpii e9b0a99 Merge pull request #186 from murpii/patch-7 - edg-l

cauldron

https://github.com/cookstown/ddnet/compare/master..cookstown:feature-soundpack, all i've done so far

xD will be fun to merge with my changes https://github.com/C0D3D3V/ddnet/blob/New_HUD/src/game/client/components/menus_settings_assets.cpp But will not be hard... I just cleand it up and created some enums

ddnet/menus_settings_assets.cpp at New_HUD · C0D3D3V/ddnet

DDraceNetwork, a cooperative racing mod of Teeworlds - ddnet/menus_settings_assets.cpp at New_HUD · C0D3D3V/ddnet

Jupstar ✪

wtf is wrong with the cloud in the bottom xD we really need some mappers to make better default themes

0 speed

@Jupstar ✪ does ddnet do spatial sound?

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xd

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i think it only makes it go lower the further it is

not in a 3d way if u mean that

time to use openal

xD why would we need surround sound

yeah

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i used openal, really ez to use

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and works great

idk it may be cool

one day we will have 3d maps for teeworlds

we can hear tee cries on ur right ear

i think u cannot hear if a tee comes from above or below u

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but last time i tested in ear headphones is long ago

hm

But our voices have coordinates isn't that converted to stereo ?

stereo is the problem xd

mh i haven't really looked into it yet, but 3d sound would be cool.

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you would only have to look at how to convert the coordinates into the 3d space. You don't necessarily want to hear something behind you.

just use a fixed pos

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for the front back

hemisphere would also be cool

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but yes a flat plane would be a start

we need to use hrtf on openal then

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pin this message

16:12

and lets implement it

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https://github.com/kcat/openal-soft/blob/master/docs/hrtf.txt

openal-soft/hrtf.txt at master · kcat/openal-soft

OpenAL Soft is a software implementation of the OpenAL 3D audio API. - openal-soft/hrtf.txt at master · kcat/openal-soft

xd

i mean it would be a cool enhancement

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just nobody uses in ear headphones probably xD

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dunno how well it can work on normal ones, but probs not that great

I use in ear phones for foot steps on Kobra 4

xd

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behind u bro

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rush a

Axaxxaxa

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Yes but pls add 3d sound and then voice chat

xd

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asmr ddnet

I would work on the voice chat

City servers will become full vr Chat

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Wait how is this weird 3d vr game called

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Yes VRChat

openal soft is lgpl btw, that kinda sucks

As long as it’s lib nobody cares

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Or do you wanna edit openal code

no, but it increases APK size on android

Why

bcs its all code, but u never need all code

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u need to ship as shared object

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instead of static linking

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ok maybe we could ship it with MIT license

LICENSE.txt is 4gib in lgpl? Xd

no

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but openal-soft is huge

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bigger than ddnet itself probs

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the executable

Wait so static linking is not fine on lgpl?

i think it is under some cercumstances

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not too much into all this license stuff

Wetefek

e.g. since we fully open source it might be fine

Lawyer jupstar

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But then KRX client also has to go open source :D

no

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they just also need to ship openal as shared lib

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its not related to ddnet's license

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its really just about adding 4MBytes to android apk xd

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its not ciritical

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its just me thinking, just ignore

Who used android anyways

yeah

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thats why u should ignore xd

"LGPL License Lesser General Public License Version 3GNU LGPL (Lesser General Public License) covers around 10% of the free software projects and is mainly used by libraries. It is also a copyleft license and modified versions must be released under the same license. But contrary to GPL, programs linked against a library under the LGPL do not need to be released under the LGPL and can be kept proprietary. It must be linked dynamically, not statically as the user must keep the ability to update the library independently from the program. LGPL is used in many libraries, including the C libraries and ffmpeg."

F F M P E G

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ffmpog

https://choosealicense.com/licenses/

Non-judgmental guidance on choosing a license for your open source project

tldr legal is bae

wikipedia only mentions it for prorietery software: " For proprietary software, code under the LGPL is usually used in the form of a shared library, so that there is a clear separation between the proprietary and LGPL components. "

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sounds like its fine for open source xd

KRX is not open source

Jupstar ✪

sounds like its fine for open source xd

I think so too

And baumalein

xd

16:23

stop posting these

@heinrich pls not ban

or murpi bans u away

SOS

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chillerbot-zx is also closed source -.-

our licence is also very soft, I think we only have a License and copyright notice condition, nothing else. I think we can import stuff with lgpl

F-DDRace is too. -.-

yeah for me its about static linking, i dunno, can we static link GPL stuff?

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probably yes

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but not sure

Yes

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Legal advice

lmao humans in 200 years laugh about our weird license shit

Sure

i bet atleast 40% of all software that isnt open source does something illegal without even noticinig anyway xD

Also opennsource

not like i never just copied stackoverflow code

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without credits xd

Heck there are projects that have 2 licenses and let you pick one

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I like to credit stackoverflow ppl tbh

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Do it quite often

it depends really

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if its a 2liner idc

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except its really clever

Wow there are some 2liners you can’t really claim copy right on

i also couldnt even tell if its allowed to talk about rights with such small code

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its like naming ur company apple and sue ppl that say apple xd

If I look up how to get size of array in js I don’t email the dude on SO and ask for permissions

xD

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but 2 lines or 3 lines

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or maybe 4

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or 5

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ok lets say 6

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u know

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thats the problem

If it’s unique

im a code comunist, all code should be open

I’d say most 6liners are unique unless its common boilerplate code

Jupstar ✪

yeah for me its about static linking, i dunno, can we static link GPL stuff?

there is a complete guide for when its allowed and how to static link for I think all gnu licenses. https://copyleft.org/guide/ But as far as I know, we do not want to modify the lib so we can include it how we want and add the license note in our license, that the lib has that license... (edited)

now convince deen to add more libs

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hardest part

Define open

i also want boost

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bcs c++ standard is so slow

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best copyright is no copyright

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cc0

lets add boost

or is cc0 the "biggest" copyright

Open as in free to do whatever you want with the code and also use it in closed project. Or open as in being forced to disclose edits

+100 mb

bcs it gives you the right to copy

Ryozuki

+100 mb

static link ofc

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there is no reason not to static link c++ libs either

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if there is a bug there, then u doomed anyway

hmm

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@Jupstar ✪ dynamic links for security libs is good i think

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openssl

yeah generally its not bad, but i also dont see a huge gain in it

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would u update openssl on an old ddnet client?

@Jupstar ✪ nice, so u agree with rust defaults

or just use a new one

rust statically links by default

yes

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thats good

aPES3_ChadShirtRip

open source stuff has wildcard to static link form me xd

@Jupstar ✪ but distro maintainers are in love with dynamic linking

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they would marry it

i swear would love to see a static linked debian as much as possible

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ofc it wont work everywhere

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but alot

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imagine static linking your GPU driver

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would be amazing

xd

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static link the kernel

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into the app

xd

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teeworlds os

@Jupstar ✪ there should be a easily tunable universal minikernel (edited)

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where u run ur only app

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max perf

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multitasking is for nobos

xd

/sbin/init -c "./DDNet"

linux kernel is bloated

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greenthing

true

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drop old hardware

keep old hardware

nono we gotta support ur hobby hardware architecture from the 60s

where is the sweetspot is the real question

just stop making new hardware

drop x86

when does it make sense to drop old hardware, bcs more energy consumption, or more work on drivers etc

Tater

just stop making new hardware

most ecological solution ^^

invent something more efficient

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with today knowledge

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and no limitations from the past bagage

Chairn

most ecological solution ^^

here too, where is the sweet spot

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its so hard to think about it

Jupstar ✪

when does it make sense to drop old hardware, bcs more energy consumption, or more work on drivers etc

which energy consumption?

if u need to run your computer longer

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to run the same task

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its more energy

doesn't matter

lmao

cost of fabrication of a new one is way more important than running the computer

yes but its not just running

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its also about maintaining etc

rust and c are the most energy efficient

tru xd

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except u do a gentoo like rust distro

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then RIP

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but science advancement also depends A LOT by the resources used

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so its really hard to say what is the best way to handle this

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probs to not waste energy for stuff like bitcoin xd

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or does buying GPUs result in more fabs and we need more fabs in 2 years and bitcoin had a sense after all

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hard to say

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #4990 fix pistol sounds for BW servers

Checklist

[x] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test if it works standalone, system.c especially
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-addresssanitizer--u...

c0d3d3v

xD will be fun to merge with my changes https://github.com/C0D3D3V/ddnet/blob/New_HUD/src/game/client/components/menus_settings_assets.cpp But will not be hard... I just cleand it up and created some enums

you have a custom hud? nice. i see how far i get with the soundpack asset

cauldron

you have a custom hud? nice. i see how far i get with the soundpack asset

no its the new upcoming hud for ddnet, by me and Ravie

c0d3d3v

no its the new upcoming hud for ddnet, by me and Ravie

ahh, wow, didn't know that

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

482d454 fix gun sounds for blockworlds servers - NouaaTW 2825ceb Merge #4990 - bors[bot]

20:15

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #4990 fix pistol sounds for BW servers

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

9ee3534 Add null backend - ChillerDragon d4dcaa2 Merge #4989 - bors[bot]

20:29

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #4989 Add null backend

@Jupstar ✪ just saw this and I suppose that should work for me https://github.com/ruffle-rs/ruffle/pull/6710

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