DDraceNetwork - general

when do we get ddos protection

00:00

it's impossible to race with all these inbreds ddosing

timeout gone lol

00:04

i thought timeout protection extends at ddos

M Emile

when do we get ddos protection

for reference, proper DoS protection would cost the total funding of 2022 (https://ddnet.tw/funding/) times 10 a month, for one location

cheaper to buy a life for the ddosers i see

is that udp protection?

https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/ddos-protection/

Azure DDoS Protection Pricing | Microsoft Azure

Explore pricing for Azure DDoS Protection, a service that helps you defend against Distributed Denial of Service attacks in Azure applications.

00:05

idk

just get a 40gbits server

whhy you cant order +1 server and redirect all connecctionns to it

if the solutions were so simple it would have already been done

Smetanolub

whhy you cant order +1 server and redirect all connecctionns to it

than everyone else also gets redirected to the server, which is completely overloaded

00:07

the point of ddos is you don't know what is a real request vs the request from the attacker

yeah, and after redirrect u connect to actual serv

00:20

so if you just recconect fast ddos wont affect serv

this is not how ddos works imagine there are 1000 people in front of you, asking you for something at the same time 5 of them are real and have a legit request even if you distribute the mass onto other your friends, you have no chance / strategy here

what about

00:38

add vote to make server unnseen in servers tab?

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00:39

hidden server

00:39

you cant see in browser

the only thing i can think of would be to like have some dedicated private servers that would still give ddnet ranks but even then i dont know if thats worth/would even work in the first place

00:41

realistically there is no good way to combat ddossers without having to spend all your life savings in a year for decent ddos protection

ddos is illegal i think

XD

Broso56

the only thing i can think of would be to like have some dedicated private servers that would still give ddnet ranks but even then i dont know if thats worth/would even work in the first place

I did this for the release week of bit3, but it's just unfair to people that can't establish a chain of trust to a staff member

yeah exactly

Only people I and the mods knew got to play

Smetanolub

ddos is illegal i think

you can contact the bailiffs, no?

Learath2

I did this for the release week of bit3, but it's just unfair to people that can't establish a chain of trust to a staff member

wouldn't we need to buy a billion different servers aswell? :P

when you join a server, you connect to the server via a data packet that contains info about you etc. a server has to respond to this data packet. DDos = millions of data packets to the server = overloaded. just because you hide a server in the client doesn't mean it no longer exists... the ddos is not 1 million bots that open ddnet client and try to connect to a server

murpi

wouldn't we need to buy a billion different servers aswell? :P

But extremely cheap ones, that server cost me like 2 euros to run

when bit3 released i had unplayable lag for a month greenthing

Learath2

But extremely cheap ones, that server cost me like 2 euros to run

under no ddos ddnet is very very gentle on the cpu and the network, you don't need a strong server at all

ReD

when you join a server, you connect to the server via a data packet that contains info about you etc. a server has to respond to this data packet. DDos = millions of data packets to the server = overloaded. just because you hide a server in the client doesn't mean it no longer exists... the ddos is not 1 million bots that open ddnet client and try to connect to a server

no, if it hidden, ddoser cant find ip and cant ddos

Learath2

But extremely cheap ones, that server cost me like 2 euros to run

the maintenance would be more of a problem

Would definitely need to be highly automated

Smetanolub

no, if it hidden, ddoser cant find ip and cant ddos

"ddoser can't find ip" and what about you or any real player... ok enough here, if you are still confused read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack

00:45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilhGh9CEIwM

ReD

"ddoser can't find ip" and what about you or any real player... ok enough here, if you are still confused read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack

He is correct btw, hidden servers do work. The problem is when the server is hidden you need a trust circle, you only give people that you trust the ip

00:46

If it gets ddos'd you have a mole

00:48

We don't do it because it's just very unfair. People that can't prove that they are trustworthy to me can't get in, so no new players

ok that answers my question why this is not in place then (edited)

yo wtf

lmao what was that

00:48

he is.a cunt but doxing is against discord TOS

i apologize

ReD

"ddoser can't find ip" and what about you or any real player... ok enough here, if you are still confused read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack

they wont too lol

00:49

only one who wants to play and make team knnows it

00:49

and join

can you implement something like "user agents" for a game? I heard it's the modern alternative to IP system etc

00:50

I have no idea how it works, not so much into systems

I have messaged another hosting site that is at maincubes in Frankfurt, they do custom firewalls too and support chat was promising. Lets see when I get an answer to my ticket.

ReD

can you implement something like "user agents" for a game? I heard it's the modern alternative to IP system etc

we said this idea like YEARs ago

00:50

admins said no

00:51

thay also said you cant play solo map on lan and send demo

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user agents? the only context I know this phrase is web browsers

ok, than it's offtopic for games how to big games like shooters handle players? just IPs?

wym how do they handle them?

00:53

@grk u mod!!11!1! nice!!1!!1

If there is online multiplayer, there is IPs involved. You can't avoid IPs on the internet

IP = internet protocol xd

On LAN I guess you could shove your packets directly into ethernet frames, no idea why you'd want that but that'd avoid ips

(edited)