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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 06:33:32Z
@bencie did you encounter any problems with RC2 yet, or didnt really play last days?
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Jupstar ✪
@bencie did you encounter any problems with RC2 yet, or didnt really play last days?
bencie 2022-03-28 06:33:59Z
i didn't
06:34
have any problems
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 06:34:10Z
ok^^
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GitHub BOT 2022-03-28 08:24:57Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #4906 Update Korean translations by CHaBek

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deen 2022-03-28 08:34:59Z
@CHaBek Can you check if https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/4906/files is an improvement?
Update Korean translations by CHaBek by cwh7435 · Pull Request #490...
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@CHaBek Can you check if https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/4906/files is an improvement?
CHaBek 2022-03-28 08:36:53Z
that's I uploaded
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deen 2022-03-28 08:37:03Z
ok 😄
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CHaBek 2022-03-28 08:37:36Z
It's my first pull request, did I do right?
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deen 2022-03-28 08:38:11Z
yes, maybe next time try to keep all changed in a single commit, but it's fine
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CHaBek 2022-03-28 08:39:16Z
ok, thanks 🥰 (edited)
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GitHub BOT 2022-03-28 08:58:54Z
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[ddnet:master] 4 new commits
2b020d7 Update korean.txt - cwh7435 34952ca Update korean.txt - cwh7435 a7da3fa Update korean.txt - cwh7435 585e849 Merge #4906 - bors[bot]
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #4906 Update Korean translations by CHaBek
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GitHub BOT 2022-03-28 09:10:57Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #4907 Vk only allow asserts after initialization
fixes #4891 @Chairn can you test if this is enough. Also I'd like to open an issue on SDL2. So some minor questions: Is libvulkan1.so installed on your system? What does vulkaninfo | grep driverID show on your system?

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Scrumplex 2022-03-28 09:36:19Z
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the frametimes are interesting when cl_refresh_rate == gfx_refresh_rate
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(Vulkan btw)
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it seems like its just desync between the actual refresh rate, and the refresh rate defined by cl_refresh_rate (if I toggle focus for DDnet I can sometimes get them to sync)
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 09:38:49Z
this is expected
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Scrumplex 2022-03-28 09:38:54Z
this is after toggling focus a few times (because of cl_refresh_rate_inactive)
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 09:39:05Z
cl refresh rate only cares about refresh rate of the CPU (how often it wakes up)
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if it misses a gfx frame, it will do a much faster cycle than when it hits a gfx frame
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Scrumplex 2022-03-28 09:39:57Z
hmm i was always wondering, why it even existed. Is there any recommended value for it?
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like 2× gfx_refresh_rate or something?
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 09:40:56Z
i set it to 0, one CPU core normally doesnt use much energy / my fans dont start to spin gfx_refresh_rate on the other side is the one you should set to your target fps
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its not really predictable what else you can set it to, 2x gfx refresh rate can theoretically work. Tho it can still happen that you miss a gfx cycle
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you can try gfx_asyncrenderold 0
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Scrumplex 2022-03-28 09:42:07Z
gfx_refresh_rate is 150 (a little above my monitors actual refresh rate)
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 09:42:09Z
then the cpu waits for the GPU
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gfx_asyncrender_old 0
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Jupstar ✪
then the cpu waits for the GPU
Scrumplex 2022-03-28 09:42:34Z
yep. Never seen a more straight frametime graph :D
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is there a performance/latency penalty?
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 09:43:05Z
well with 150 there generally is a latency impact xD
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your mouse probs has 1000hz
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but it should be ok, since u have pretty high end hardware
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just test it out and see if its ok for you
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Scrumplex 2022-03-28 09:44:38Z
hmm nvm. I now have gfx_asyncrender_old 0 but it didn't really change anything (was 1 before)
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yep. Never seen a more straight frametime graph :D
Scrumplex 2022-03-28 09:44:47Z
I guess I was just lucky there
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 09:45:02Z
ah you have to use gfx_refresh_rate 0 then
09:45
and only use cl_refresh_rate iirc
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Scrumplex 2022-03-28 09:45:30Z
other way around also seems to work?
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 09:45:42Z
i think its this way around, even if it sounds weird
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Jupstar ✪
then the cpu waits for the GPU
Scrumplex 2022-03-28 09:45:47Z
(you said that the CPU waits for GPU?) (edited)
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 09:46:00Z
it must enter the GPU check
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so gfx_refresh_rate 0 makes sense
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but it will always swap the GPU then
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and then it also waits for it
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Scrumplex 2022-03-28 09:46:38Z
okay something is weird
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All refresh_rates are 0 now
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OH WAIT MANGOHUD
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I got a 150fps limit there as well
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lmao
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 09:46:59Z
xd
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Scrumplex 2022-03-28 09:47:07Z
well, I guess that's the best option?
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 09:47:14Z
all to 0?
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Scrumplex 2022-03-28 09:47:24Z
https://scrumplex.rocks/img/1648460836.png#
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Jupstar ✪
all to 0?
Scrumplex 2022-03-28 09:47:33Z
yes, MangoHud limits to 150
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 09:47:44Z
well if you have that hud always enabled
09:47
sure xd
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Jupstar ✪
well if you have that hud always enabled
Scrumplex 2022-03-28 09:48:04Z
I configured it to be hidden by default, can toggle it with a hotkey
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 09:48:12Z
ok
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guess then its fine yeah
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Scrumplex 2022-03-28 09:48:54Z
(btw this is also the recommended way for the Steam Deck, never use in-game frame limits, but rather use the frame limits forced by MangoHud, makes a huge difference in power consumption)
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 09:49:23Z
ok, dunno what mangohud injects to the vulkan runtime, but it defs can make sense
09:49
similar to how vsync is implemented on windows
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Scrumplex 2022-03-28 09:49:59Z
Btw. should I be worried if my GPUs coil whine is VERY LOUD with unlocked frames?
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 09:50:13Z
it doesnt damage ur hardware
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if u mean that
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Scrumplex 2022-03-28 09:50:20Z
I need to get a dB meter
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Jupstar ✪
it doesnt damage ur hardware
Scrumplex 2022-03-28 09:50:36Z
I hope so, don't really wanna buy a GPU now 👀
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 09:51:02Z
yeah should be ok
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its just vibriting copper
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similar to electricity converts in your town
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if u ever seen one xd
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Jupstar ✪
similar to electricity converts in your town
Scrumplex 2022-03-28 09:51:46Z
but those generally don't vibrate with >1000Hz
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(I assume that the pitch of the coil whine correlates to the framerate)
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OMG I AM GOING TO PLAY MIDIs WITH COIL WHINE
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 09:52:19Z
probs to power consumption
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i also dont know what component directly causes it
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but it doubt its the GPU cores that cause it
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other tripple A titles dont do it and they use like 5 times the energy ddnet uses on my GPU 😄
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Jupstar ✪
i also dont know what component directly causes it
Scrumplex 2022-03-28 09:54:40Z
I always assumed that the power delivery is the culprit. rendering a DDnet frame (with no cap) should be very fast, so I guess the power consumption rapidly jumps multiple thousand times per second (but that's just a game theory) (edited)
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 09:54:57Z
yeah quite possible and reasonable
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Scrumplex 2022-03-28 09:56:01Z
I am going to play around with Vulkan today. Maybe I can write a MIDI player that works with coil whine
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 09:56:21Z
sounds good, play teeworlds background music
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in high pitch
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Scrumplex 2022-03-28 09:56:25Z
lol
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 09:56:35Z
who needs a soundcard if u have a GPU
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 09:58:45Z
im making a skin renderer in rust and noticed something in tee.js: ctx.drawImage(skin,192,64,64,32,10,33,60,30); //back feet shadow ctx.drawImage(skin,192,32,64,32,8,32,64,32); //back feet ctx.drawImage(skin,96,0,96,96,16,0,64,64); //body shadow ctx.drawImage(skin,0,0,96,96,16,0,64,64); //body ctx.drawImage(skin,192,64,64,32,26,33,60,30); //front feet shadow ctx.drawImage(skin,192,32,64,32,24,32,64,32); //front feet ctx.drawImage(skin,64,96,32,32,36,14,24,24); //left eye
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all the sahdows should be drawn before anything else
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feet, body shadow should come before right? xd
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my result so far xd
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this is from tee.js
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u can notice its dark on the top side of feet
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this is ingame (edited)
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it also does an unnecesary scaling of the feet shadow (on tee.js)
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@Jupstar ✪ do u know what filtering method is used when scaling?
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gaussian?
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@Jupstar ✪ do u know what filtering method is used when scaling?
Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 10:07:08Z
what kind of scaling?
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u mean when the GPU fetches the pixels?
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or when u resize an image
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i never really looked into tee.js
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 10:08:24Z
@Jupstar ✪ the tee body on default.png is bigger than whats rendered ingame
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what is the scaling filtering method used
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 10:09:00Z
ah thats done on GPU so in ddnet its simply tri linear filtering
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 10:09:06Z
hm
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what do u think is the best
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idk xd
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 10:09:38Z
i mean all under cubic(trilinear) are better
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higher quality
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i'd use them
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 10:09:47Z
ok
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 10:11:51Z
ok they all have their advantages it seems... i mean thats always the case
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i'd say just test it out
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xd
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sinc and lanczos look good imo xd
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Scrumplex 2022-03-28 10:22:56Z
use FSR troll
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 10:27:32Z
use ai upscaling to native resolution
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 10:28:28Z
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trying to get the eyes right
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@Jupstar ✪ do u know what values direction.x has?
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its a float
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 10:29:03Z
its a normalized value
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so if its 1, y is 0
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 10:29:45Z
if x is 1 it means ->
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?
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 10:29:54Z
yes
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tho im not sure about y
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i think teeworlds goes down if y increases
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but honestly doesnt matter for your purpose xd
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 10:34:25Z
hmm
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xd
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 10:34:41Z
+-
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 10:35:27Z
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xd
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 10:35:37Z
monkaS
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Ryozuki
@Jupstar ✪ do u know what values direction.x has?
Patiga 2022-03-28 10:35:46Z
this document should have all the relevant values for tee rendering
tee_notes.txt
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 10:35:58Z
ez
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@Patiga what is webgpu doing xd
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 10:36:11Z
pog
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Patiga
this document should have all the relevant values for tee rendering
Ryozuki 2022-03-28 10:37:25Z
maybe we can add this to the wiki
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xd
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honestly its rly hard to figure out the tee rendering code
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@Patiga what is webgpu doing xd
Patiga 2022-03-28 10:37:42Z
have a complete map viewer without the mipmapping. currently trying to set it up to run with opengl, wanna do the first release after :)
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 10:37:56Z
nice
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mipmapping in vulkan is rather hard
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i dunno if webgpu splits the idea of vulkan and opengl
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or if it allows both
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Patiga 2022-03-28 10:38:28Z
in vulkan you at least have blit, in webgpu you don't even have that ;(
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 10:38:35Z
oh yeah
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that sucks
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Patiga 2022-03-28 10:39:52Z
there is a mipmapping example you can try to copy over that uses a compute shader, however I didn't have the motivation yet. in the future I think they wanna have either blit or automatic mipmapping
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https://github.com/gpuweb/gpuweb/issues/386
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 10:41:36Z
i mean shaders can even improve it, but your texture needs to be set as render target, i dunno if this is more unlikely to be supported by all GPUs
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 10:42:13Z
@Patiga what does 4/64 up exactly mean?
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 10:42:29Z
64 is the body size
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 10:42:38Z
and up?
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Patiga 2022-03-28 10:42:55Z
uh, up in space? along the y-axis
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 10:43:11Z
ah yeah
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body is always a bit higher than the rendering coordinates
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yeah tee rendering is a bit unintuitive, lot of random values xd
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and 0.7 didnt fix it T_T
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we stuck with it forever
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Patiga 2022-03-28 10:44:37Z
ouch
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it always bothered me that when I zoom in the tee looks off-center
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wouldn't it just look more correct (at least to a new player), if we move the tee body to the center, along with everything else
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 10:46:17Z
it would break all skins
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Patiga 2022-03-28 10:46:20Z
ah then the feet might seem too low?
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 10:46:31Z
yeah the body is in the ground then
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Patiga 2022-03-28 10:46:38Z
meh
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 10:46:43Z
it could have been fixed by fixing the textures
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make better rules on how a tee is built in general
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Patiga 2022-03-28 10:47:18Z
welp, I guess we are doomed
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 10:47:24Z
defs
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but at this point any change would probs look weird to most ppl anyway
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0.7 eyes are also weird xD
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 10:49:09Z
i still dont understand it
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xd
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feet: 10/64 down 7/64 left/right
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down from what?
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 10:49:37Z
imagine you have a rendering coordinate
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thats the mid of a body
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Patiga 2022-03-28 10:50:22Z
yea
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you put all the different parts into space, with their center point on the same spot, and move everything according to those values
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Wohoo 2022-03-28 11:54:18Z
If I want to wait 1 sec. I should count up to GameTicksSpeed? It seems that I have to wait 15*GameTicksSpeed
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Wohoo 2022-03-28 12:05:04Z
Maybe it's related with fps?
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 12:05:21Z
gametickspeed is correct, if you also use tick
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if u want to wait client side use time_get_microseconds
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or time_get() and time_freq
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 12:49:39Z
i still couldnt tell how to use that text
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so im trying by myself
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but the eye is still weird
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 12:50:13Z
xd
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do u understand what he meant when he said all quads share the same center?
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 12:53:29Z
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Jupstar ✪
do u understand what he meant when he said all quads share the same center?
Ryozuki 2022-03-28 12:53:41Z
i tried it
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but 10/64 down
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idk from the center, its plain wrong
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 12:54:03Z
imagine u have a quad
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it goes -0.5 in left and top and +0.5 in right and down
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then u have a quad with center 0,0
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 12:54:35Z
ah im working with pixels directly
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 12:54:47Z
ok but thats how u have to imagine it
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all eyes etc are individual quads
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and all share the same center at start
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 12:55:33Z
so 10/64 means the value of the division right
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ok i guess ill have to work with opengl coords
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 12:55:59Z
yeah, the body quad u can imagine as 64 pixels
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so if that is the case u move 10/64 pixels
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 12:56:45Z
all quad coords are from their centers right?
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 12:56:53Z
yes
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Jupstar ✪
so if that is the case u move 10/64 pixels
Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 12:57:22Z
(*64) bcs u use 64pixels
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just to be clear
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so basically the ratio as u said
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 13:01:15Z
xd
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 13:04:35Z
getting closer xd
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Rockus 2022-03-28 13:27:26Z
why doesn't the tee hide the old hookthrough entity?
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why doesn't the tee hide the old hookthrough entity?
Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 13:28:42Z
this only depends on how the mapper put the game layers
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if the front layer is before the game layer it should also be rendered first
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Rockus 2022-03-28 13:29:04Z
ahhh, i see. thanks
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 13:31:12Z
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@Jupstar ✪ i updated the js script
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i think this looks way better
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than this old one
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 13:31:39Z
yeah much better
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Rockus 2022-03-28 13:32:48Z
nice one
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GitHub BOT 2022-03-28 13:32:51Z
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[ddnet/ddnet-web] Pull request opened: #182 update tee.js to be more realistic

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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 13:38:26Z
eyes are still too small right?
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 13:39:36Z
true
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now?
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xd
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 13:43:23Z
just any value that is not divisible by 8 is wrong
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 13:43:49Z
it doesnt matter tho cuz its just a web render
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im just trying values randomly xd
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 13:43:59Z
xd
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look pretty much like ingame now, but need to see when its finished
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but defs much better than the old one
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 13:44:38Z
wdym when its finished
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 13:44:45Z
when its online
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 13:44:50Z
@Jupstar ✪ merge it
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so we see it
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PepeA
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i think the web updates auto
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better than this for sure
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YEPJAM
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 13:46:16Z
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Voxel 2022-03-28 14:03:12Z
so is there anything super specific that i need to account for when making a grayscale tee that's easy for recoloring? i tried to make an alternate glow_cammo skin for PlantKnight, but even if the colors seem to be identical, the coloring completely changes
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GitHub BOT 2022-03-28 14:12:48Z
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[ddnet/ddnet-scripts] Pull request opened: #37 wrap each map around a div with a css class
This way i can fix some stuff using css.
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[ddnet/ddnet-web] Pull request opened: #183 add flex container, used in map releases
Needs https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-scripts/pull/37 It uses flexbox so that the map releases page doesnt look bad on mobile devices and improves responsiveness.
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 14:14:28Z
i hecking love the ddnet.tw web source code
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fuckyousnail
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 14:15:21Z
@Ryozuki why the d
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is that intendet?
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 14:15:32Z
no
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xd
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 14:15:38Z
xddd
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 14:16:09Z
fixed
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i noticed this
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im doing this to fix it
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power of flexbox
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 14:17:21Z
ez
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 14:17:49Z
nothing beats my uniqueclan.net maps page
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tho
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greenthing
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so clean
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but trying to do this in ddnet.tw is hard cuz everything is a python 2 mess
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 14:19:15Z
when webview for ddnet client
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+300mbytes
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 14:19:30Z
monkalaugh
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[ddnet/ddnet-web] Pull request closed: #182 update tee.js to be more realistic
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[ddnet-web:master] 3 new commits
122575e update tee.js to be more realistic - edg-l 5a12fe4 make eyes bigger - edg-l d981810 Merge pull request #182 from edg-l/pr-fix-teejs - def-
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[ddnet/ddnet-scripts] Pull request closed: #37 wrap each map around a div with a css class
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[ddnet-scripts:master] 2 new commits
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[ddnet/ddnet-web] Pull request closed: #183 add flex container, used in map releases
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[ddnet-web:master] 2 new commits
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #4908 Fix team not started message (fixes #4884)
Thanks to c0d3d3v for noticing

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  • [ ] Tested the change ingame
  • [ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
  • [ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
  • [ ] Written a unit test if it works standalone, system.c especially
  • [ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
  • [ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
  • [ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddne...
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 14:45:22Z
pog
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when does the web rebuild?
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 15:02:48Z
ill try to slowly modernize the web
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first step, migrate to python 3
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monkalaugh
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its a bit hard to edit it, cuz i can't reproduce a build of the web locally
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and lots of links are hardlinked to ddnet.tw
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so after porting to python 3 the website should try to be more easier to setup up locally
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thus making dev easier
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PepeA
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 15:05:41Z
yes pls xd
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 15:05:49Z
xd
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Learath2 2022-03-28 15:59:00Z
I don't think even deen has a local copy of that site running. Production = master :D
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Ryozuki 2022-03-28 16:05:57Z
@Jupstar ✪ its updated
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https://ddnet.tw/skins/
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 16:06:29Z
nice, finally not so ugly skins xd
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https://ddnet.tw/map/ back when deen was pro xd
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Chairn 2022-03-28 16:13:08Z
he's not anymore?
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 16:13:19Z
i doubt he still plays does he
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https://ddnet.tw/client/dummyhookfly.mp4 XDD his dynamic camera dead zone
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these videos are really old
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6 years xd
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8 years even
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Chairn 2022-03-28 16:15:30Z
i answered on your pr
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not sure if you've seen it
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yet
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 16:15:45Z
yeah u said u have no time xd
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why u here then xddd
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"Undo function in editor (initial work by MAP94)" lie xdd
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Chairn 2022-03-28 16:16:09Z
still running away from work
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 16:16:14Z
ez
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@Chairn well thanks btw for all the testing
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Chairn 2022-03-28 16:17:20Z
i need to find some music to push me to work
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Wohoo
New ddnet feature preview: SMART_PAUSE It unpause if tee is moved when pause/spec. At the moment it is spamming echo 🙂
Wohoo 2022-03-28 16:46:07Z
Should I proceed with smart pause feature commit? Any pro/cons/suggestions?
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #4600 Allow different opengl32.dlls on windows
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Should I proceed with smart pause feature commit? Any pro/cons/suggestions?
Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 16:50:44Z
when do you think it is useful btw? how about adding a new chat command instead of config /spause or smth
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i'd say /spec sounds more useful, then nobody can touch u, if thats what u fear
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bencie 2022-03-28 16:51:23Z
spec is not allowed on many maps though
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smart pause would be a solution to that
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map has no /spec -> turn on smart pause
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 16:51:59Z
could just fix /spec to not allow spawn inside another tee, then u can enable it on all maps
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Wohoo 2022-03-28 16:52:08Z
Yeah, people become tired to wait if they fail and go spect other teams
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 16:52:16Z
(create exception for the 5 maps that need old behavior ofc)
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bencie
map has no /spec -> turn on smart pause
Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 16:52:41Z
i dont even have a pause bind xD
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Wohoo 2022-03-28 16:53:21Z
On server side we could add a check that need enough space before unspec. There are a lot of collision helper functions
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 16:54:36Z
on a second thought, that would allow trolls to block u from going out of spec
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also annoying
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Jupstar ✪
on a second thought, that would allow trolls to block u from going out of spec
gerdoe 2022-03-28 16:56:00Z
its optional
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so you can turn it on only in your team
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while your newschool bud tries to do solo part
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its optional
Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 16:56:31Z
i meant it relating to spec not allowing u if there is someone standing inside u
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gerdoe 2022-03-28 16:56:48Z
it also affects /spec?
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 16:56:52Z
no
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just read convo xd
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gerdoe 2022-03-28 16:57:08Z
ah
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convo + your thoughts xd
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Jupstar ✪
could just fix /spec to not allow spawn inside another tee, then u can enable it on all maps
Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 16:57:36Z
from here
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bencie 2022-03-28 16:58:29Z
why not allow people to stand inside eachother using /spec?
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 16:58:40Z
lmao
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just read the convo
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spec is not allowed on many maps though
Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 16:58:52Z
here
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then i said maybe we can fix /spec
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and then i said
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ah wait, there is a problem with trolls xD
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why not allow people to stand inside eachother using /spec?
Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 17:00:07Z
but generally, i dunno if you new to teeworlds, shotgun bug and collision bugs
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bencie 2022-03-28 17:00:26Z
if that was an actual issue then why don't cheatable maps have spec disabled already (edited)
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for example Unbalanced
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 17:00:58Z
bcs map testers are potatos? i dunno
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why not always protect spawn so there is never a startline skip
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bencie
if that was an actual issue then why don't cheatable maps have spec disabled already (edited)
gerdoe 2022-03-28 17:02:10Z
cuz fun
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 17:02:22Z
bcs someone apparently likes creating cheats xd
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and now we have weird work arounds that tell you to start or you cannot finish the map xd
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if that was an actual issue then why don't cheatable maps have spec disabled already (edited)
louis 2022-03-28 17:05:25Z
a lot do
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Jupstar ✪
on a second thought, that would allow trolls to block u from going out of spec
c0d3d3v 2022-03-28 17:20:46Z
not only trolls. Can also be that he is afk or timeout, and some are under him in /spec can then no longer get out of spec.
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but in that case you could also vote him in spec
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for example Unbalanced
n000b 2022-03-28 17:22:09Z
Not sure how old that map is. But removing spec influence top ranks, because of strong weak changing position
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Can't disable when it is enabled for long
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bencie 2022-03-28 17:22:44Z
top ranks are all skipped (edited)
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n000b 2022-03-28 17:24:52Z
Well you could decide to change it but we had lots of discussions about this and the conclusion was you cannot change skips like these if it is used already a lot
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Chairn 2022-03-28 17:25:15Z
at least map name checks out
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Well you could decide to change it but we had lots of discussions about this and the conclusion was you cannot change skips like these if it is used already a lot
bencie 2022-03-28 17:26:18Z
yeah of course, it's really hard to get a middleground in a sitatuon like this. fixing /spec would make some maps uncheatable, and then you'd have to remove every skipped rank that used /spec
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or else it'd be unfair
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Unbalanced absolutely uses /spec, so if you don't remove these ranks, then noone else can cheat the map anymore which would be an unfair advantage to the current finishers
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n000b 2022-03-28 17:27:18Z
We don't remove ranks except if it is cheated or we remove a critical skip (one u dont need skills for).
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Besides it is difficult to touch these ranks. Because the players in the current top5 won't like this idea now.
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bencie 2022-03-28 17:28:46Z
yeah
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n000b 2022-03-28 17:29:47Z
I talk like i am still a moderator lolpepeH
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I talk like i am still a moderator lolpepeH
Knuski 2022-03-28 17:34:39Z
U will remain one forever in our hearts catKiss
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[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit
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deen 2022-03-28 17:37:12Z
@Jupstar ✪ Should we wait for someone to test https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/4907 before 16.0 release?
Vk only allow asserts after initialization by Jupeyy · Pull Request...
fixes #4891 @Chairn can you test if this is enough. Also I'd like to open an issue on SDL2. So some minor questions: Is libvulkan1.so installed on your system? What does vulkaninfo | grep drive...
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Jupstar ✪ 2022-03-28 17:41:08Z
I guess it would be safer to do so yeah
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #4884 Player in "Your team has 1 player that has not started yet" is wrong
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751a828 Fix team not started message (fixes #4884) - def- 88a1e09 Merge #4908 - bors[bot]
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #4908 Fix team not started message (fixes #4884)
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46f2075 Super: Don't send sounds to self - def- 404d9ec Merge #4900 - bors[bot]
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #4900 Super: Don't send sounds to self
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #4909 Fix SQL duplicated top and player team top 5
Fixes #4903
  • I hadn't seen the ShowPlayerTeamTop5 function in the scoreworker in the last pull request, because in the score it has the same name as TeamTop5. A name change was made to make it easier to differentiate the two and fixed it for MySQL 8.0. It is not necessary to make this name change in the tests, since the tests use the scoreworker class directly.
  • Ranking queries showing the duplicated rank were fixed. for this context it is not applicable to use distinct, since t...
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #4903 Two ranks with same name in /top5
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dba7889 Differentiate team top 5 from player team top 5 - srdante 3ee8070 Fix SQL duplicated top and PlayerTeamTop5 - srdante aa65492 Merge #4909 - bors[bot]
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #4909 Fix SQL duplicated top and player team top 5
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