DDraceNetwork - off-topic

@bencie what map?

It was bit3

Ryozuki

no bloat

alias 'sudo'='doas' guys do know sudo is absolutely bloat

@bencie why no message in #records

It was done on a separate private server, rank swill be inserted into db soon (edited)

bencie

It was done on a separate private server, rank swill be inserted into db soon (edited)

can you insert my rank too? troll

1

07:24

we should add those countryball skins into the ddnet database

2

except russian

2

Ryozuki

Click to see attachment 🖼️

such irony huh (edited)

08:10

i hecking love walls of text

is it the source code of ddnet?

no

08:15

its gentoo

nice

on a vm tho

but why O1?

im 2 lazy to migrate

Jupstar ✪

but why O1?

u mean o2

08:16

its recommended to not uses o3 for system wide packages

08:16

the manual says stuff may break

oh it passes o1 to the linker

08:17

-Wl,-O1,-Wl

08:17

never seen it

08:17

if o2 and o1 are present

08:17

o2 is used?

08:17

idk

08:17

anyway line breaks are broken there

well Wl is pass to linker i think

08:17

but i dunno what that does, lets read manual

08:18

compiling python i think

08:18

xd

08:18

idk why there is python 10 and 9 present

If level is a numeric values greater than zero ld optimizes
           the output.  This might take significantly longer and
           therefore probably should only be enabled for the final
           binary.  At the moment this option only affects ELF shared
           library generation.  Future releases of the linker may make
           more use of this option.  Also currently there is no
           difference in the linker's behaviour for different non-zero
           values of this option.  Again this may change with future
           releases.

I guess its for LTO

08:18

or maybe generally

08:19

i dunno xD

xD

how long does it compile for a bare minimum usable desktop?

idk

08:20

its compiling

xd

and im on a vm

08:20

the most limiting factor is the filesystem

08:20

its the slowest component iirc

ok

im still not convinced if its worth to ditch arch for gentoo

08:20

xd

08:20

but i wanted to try it

probs only if you compile with most aggressive optimization options

08:21

or secure options

08:21

depending on your demands

arch has hardened kernels

or to enable special sanitizers

but gentoo says some stuff may break

08:21

if u enable too much sanitizers

08:21

iirc

ok

08:21

i just read that memory sanitizer needs a linux that supports it for the kernel and other apps too

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GCC_optimization

GCC optimization

08:22

i think o3 should be pretty safe, ofast is defs a killer xD

08:23

@Jupstar ✪

08:23

haha

yeah it's always hard to say when an optimization will work

08:24

generally, the more you compile statically, the more its worth it

it takes longer to compile grub than the linux kernel

linux kernel itself is pretty small isnt it? like 100-200k lines

i must be doing smth wrong

but the drivers are like 26mio lines xD

xd

10:24

10:25

i legit think the text output slows compilation

10:25

since this term emulator is slow af

10:25

doing a cat on a big file is far from instant

10:25

xd

yeah text output can slow down quite a bit

10:26

--quiet-build ez

10:33

ah i didnt use -j6

use j12

10:34

gotta use your full cores potential

i only added 6 cpus to the vm

10:34

xd

10:34

and 8gb ram

oh that quite few

10:34

i had crashes in the past when i only had 8gb of ram xD

xd

10:35

not like im gonna do anything in this vm

true

10:35

is that ur main computer btw or a extra one?

main

10:37

so you cant play dota today, or does it even run with all these jobs running? xd

cool, Arch +1

Jupstar ✪

so you cant play dota today, or does it even run with all these jobs running? xd

xd

10:38

@Jupstar ✪ i havent tried playing dota on linux since i changed my gpu

10:38

cuz previously my system broke

10:38

dota on linux using vulkan

but i'd say the drivers for newer gens are better

ye i gotta try it

i rarely have vulkan bugs

but well im "working" rn

10:39

and gentoo is a perfect thing to have by side

tho i also only use it for emulators

since everything takes so long

10:39

xdd

ah and become human has native vulkan, works perfect under linux

10:39

and yeah dx11 over dxvk runs perfect too

10:40

but dx12 over wined12vk or whatever its called, doesnt run so well for me yet

10:40

Vkd3d

10:41

well most important is that ddnet runs on vulkan without bugs

10:42

https://github.com/HansKristian-Work/vkd3d-proton

GitHub - HansKristian-Work/vkd3d-proton: Fork of VKD3D. Development...

Fork of VKD3D. Development branches for Proton's Direct3D 12 implementation. - GitHub - HansKristian-Work/vkd3d-proton: Fork of VKD3D. Development branches for Proton's Direct3D 12 ...

10:42

Intel

We have not done any testing against Intel iGPUs yet.

10:42

xd

Ryozuki

Click to see attachment 🖼️

bruh how u keep packages so low with a rolling release distro

10:51

there goin to be like 50-60 more if i update (edited)

cuz u use a desktop

10:52

xd

Ryozuki

cuz u use a desktop

do u not use it as daily driver?

i do

10:52

i use a window manager

10:52

i3wm

10:52

https://i3wm.org/

i3 - improved tiling wm

i3 is a dynamic tiling window manager with clean, readable and documented code, featuring extended Xinerama support, usage of libxcb instead of xlib and several improvements over wmii

10:52

it has way elss dependencies

10:52

less

10:53

@Jupstar ✪ i forgot to enable uefi in qemu

10:53

i gotta redo all the install

10:53

im smart

im gonna move to i3wm too

10:53

gave up on xmonad

i have like double the packages you have, but i also have dbg symbols for a lot of packages, guess that increases it quite a bit, plus dev packages plus i just also use quite a lot of packages xd

Ryozuki

@Jupstar ✪ i forgot to enable uefi in qemu

why is that related to the installs? for grub?

ye xd

ah ok

@Jupstar ✪ im gonna follow the tutorial i sent u days ago

11:05

about building a os with rust

11:05

https://os.phil-opp.com/

Writing an OS in Rust

This blog series creates a small operating system in the Rust programming language. Each post is a small tutorial and includes all needed code.

my /usr dir is 23 GBytes

Ryozuki

@Jupstar ✪ im gonna follow the tutorial i sent u days ago

nice

Jupstar ✪

my /usr dir is 23 GBytes

mine is 26gb

i think i really would like to try to make an OS that follows a "unified" strategy, so that there is no server - client model as much as possible

11:06

some stuff is hard, e.g. a window manager, but must be possible somehow

11:06

just need to know the memory addresses and do mutual exclusion when you write to a "window manager state"

@Jupstar ✪ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzkRVzciAZg

gar1t

Node.js Is Bad Ass Rock Star Tech

11:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs

gar1t

Episode 1 - Mongo DB Is Web Scale

11:20

xd

bro i am complete nobo when it comes to web services xD

11:23

do you use node.js?

@Jupstar ✪ its joking about new tech stuff

yeah, but i couldnt even say if node.js is really so good

"Mongo DB handles web scale. You turn it on and it scales right up"

i mean its made for javascript isnt it?

"shards are the secret ingredient in the web-scale sauce; they just work."

11:25

xddd

xD

just listen to it

11:27

@Jupstar ✪ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY-IueSMAPc

gar1t

The Ghetto

11:27

this one is not about web

11:28

"A tech support call turns epic."

that's a nice talk

11:29

has to work in my OS xd

i think it talks a bit about c

11:30

xd

Ryozuki

it takes longer to compile grub than the linux kernel

I've been enjoying rEFInd lately, it's actually quite nice and the code is actually readable for humans unlike grub

13:52

poggers

Learath2

I've been enjoying rEFInd lately, it's actually quite nice and the code is actually readable for humans unlike grub

ill try it

Jupstar ✪

yeah, but i couldnt even say if node.js is really so good

Depends very much on your preferences. It is good in some aspects horrible in others

@eujax arkadasin seni sinirsiz hookla tutarsa ve sen soloya girersen solodan cikinca hook kaldigi yerden devam ediyor

öyle bir mekanik vardı dimi. teşekkürler

Hewwo eweyonen ^°^ How awre you todayyyyz? ^•^

3

kiwi

15:50

hi kiwi

im okayyy ^•^

@bencie wait since when is this an option nouis

What?

Private server ranks

a few days ago learath started hosting a private server so that people can play bit3 without the server getting ddosed (a few runs have been ruined by ddos attacks very far in map) , only trusted people could get the ip, but its getting shut down really soon

i still think its not fair to let just a few ppl play the map alone

16:40

other ppl have to finish it with ddos aswell

16:40

but whatever

there can be alot of opinions made about this topic, personally im in between supporting and disagreeing with it, i think letting pros get a chance to finish that map was a really nice thing to do, but it does add a certain level of unfairness since currently only the players who got the ip can finish. but if you give the ip to everyone who asks then you'd be on the same page as a public server, except with the extra step of having to ask for the ip. it would get leaked and ddosed really fast

i hope now people keep asking if they can get a private server because to keep it fair everyone who asks should get one

16:49

I know that it is an exception, but still should keep everything fair

agreed, well i'm not sure if there were even any players who got declined access from the server

16:50

obviously some players do not deserve to be allowed since it could ruin the whole point, but it does need to have fairness to it

there are mostly 90% noobs in hh hf maps, but you should not favor players just because they have more game experience (edited)

16:54

you would have to make something like this a closed event with registration, like the french tournament

16:55

with stream where ppl can look at it

i think cendren was streaming the whole time he was on the private server since they were playing in big pro teams, but yea without any clarification of who can get in and who cannot its a bit hard to make it completely fair since they could deny access based on biases

It's really an impossible situation. The choices were some people get to play vs no one gets to play and it's fair. I chose the former but an argument could be made for the latter.

17:00

Fwiw, it's not just for pros, that was never my intention. It's for people that I can guess are not the ddoser and wont leak the ip in a temper tantrum or just to be a troll

Yeah that's way better, i assumed it was for good players only since thats what it was reffered to - a pro server :D

bencie

Yeah that's way better, i assumed it was for good players only since thats what it was reffered to - a pro server :D

It's just that the people I know are usually very old players. So they are also pretty good players

a separate server for those who play very well

seems ok to me

And the good players are turbo elitists :D

17:10

@Learath2 can i get access

17:10

do u trust me

17:10

Do you ddos?

@Ryozuki its a trick question

17:10

say yes

no i use rust

17:11

in my path towards the fight against c supremacy

hm, idk if we allow c haters

1

Learath2

It's really an impossible situation. The choices were some people get to play vs no one gets to play and it's fair. I chose the former but an argument could be made for the latter.

so i can get a own server when the ddos guys are active? (edited)

17:49

i mean

You can join this one

i need a own server for the next tourney (edited)

Doing it for tournaments I'm not sure about

Learath2

Doing it for tournaments I'm not sure about

it's not even fair

omg you got me, it's so unfair, I'll kill it right now, the 50 people who get to play should just suffer with everyone else

idc but maybe other ppl care

17:50

like i said

ddos is an essential part of the ddnet experience

17:52

i think we should simulate regular ddos attacks on normal servers in fact

2

Equality of punishment is necessary, we must all suffer

RonIn

it's not even fair

It's definitely not fair, but not to people like you, it's not fair to people that I don't have a reliable chain of trust to

17:53

So mostly new players

Learath2

It's definitely not fair, but not to people like you, it's not fair to people that I don't have a reliable chain of trust to

Yes, i understand, i just meant no one should has advantages, especially make private servers for old players (u can trust to) who plays obviously better then new players, when u have tourney as a competitive event (edited)

1

17:55

https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1498685345197703175

Defence of Ukraine (@DefenceU)

УВАГА‼️ Попадання в апаратну мовника на телевежі. Якийсь час, канали не будуть працювати. Найближчим часом буде включено резервне мовлення частини каналів. Ворог може поширювати фейки з метою дестабілізації ситуації. Знайте, Україна бореться і вистоїть! #stoprussia https://t.co/WE5iQAJG0z

Likes

3770

Retweets

1275

@Learath2

19:44

if he dies, is that considered as a memory leak?

1

Btw there is some information spreading in russia that people are told lies when going to the frontline

bencie

a few days ago learath started hosting a private server so that people can play bit3 without the server getting ddosed (a few runs have been ruined by ddos attacks very far in map) , only trusted people could get the ip, but its getting shut down really soon

I remember I suggest to have these type of server like one or two years ago. Never got a answer

They tell it's a training and it turns out they have to attack ukrainian people

It's a training when they cross the border?

They don't know they are crossing the border

21:02

Probably

I heard, but we can't be 100% sure it's legit, that Russian solider were told they will free Ukrainian

That's what tv propaganda says

21:03

And obviously that's the idea told to russian soldiers too

Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance

They don't know they are crossing the border

I'm pretty sure if you cross a border and attack Kyiv... You see it. They are not that dumb.

I heard such stories for small cities or military bases only

(how do you write in Ukrainian or Russia alphabet?)

What do u need exactly?

Just want write the town name in Cyrillic

You can add a keyboard charset when you click the icon

21:06

In win the icon is EN

Wait I try, but I'm on my phone.

It would be faster to copy it from the web

21:07

Do you need the ь, ы, ъ?

Yeah but it's less fu

21:07

Let me learn something today

21:07

XD

21:10

Київ

21:11

You see I'm happy to have tried. I really thought that would me harder.

21:18

Do a Russian can understand if he see or hear a Ukrainian speaker? In Ukrainian ofc. @Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance

Lionheart

Do a Russian can understand if he see or hear a Ukrainian speaker? In Ukrainian ofc. @Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance

probably yes probably not (edited)

21:41

u can understand but not all

I can understand half of average ukrainian speech

21:48

And if they speak slowly I can understand even more

OK ok

21:56

Half isn't bad