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wtf is going on at 17 seconds

I don't actually know which method would be superior in ddrace, not having tees teleport around sounds cleaner in theory... I guess

Skeith

It just sounds far more confusing to have to learn to play with 2 different predictions, and swap between them on the fly. I guess in gores it's probably more appealing, but since the client is specifically for ddrace, I don't see the appeal.

Sorry but after briefly discussing this with a friend I have to disagree on the the "its a ddrace client" part. Gores is after all just a map type that is played on (basically) the same mod we all know and love. To top it off, there is a "KoG" tab in the serverbrowser of said client which will filter for servers hosted by a well known network that almost exclusively hosts gores maps.

But I don't think anyone would want it changed at this point, which means it'd have to be an option, and as stated earlier, I don't think they like adding more options lol

Skeith

But I don't think anyone would want it changed at this point, which means it'd have to be an option, and as stated earlier, I don't think they like adding more options lol

Yea, if im being honest I was hoping it was for the sheer amount of options, but conflicting options are a good point and sadly also neglect the idea to just allow values 0 to 2 for the g_Config.m_ClAntiPingPlayers option.

DDrace will always be their prime focus, anything that has a potential negative impact on it to make other gamemodes better won't happen. Gores plays far differently than DDrace, ideally you're not interacting with tees at all. I believe the KoG tab was only added to the client because there were issues with the master server due to constant ddos attacks.

no, was also added because ddnet shouldn‘t be the only big project around

"also" But yea, I agree with that. Ah, I said "only" in the above post, fair enough. greenthing

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What are your thoughts on having 2 different antiping options then, deen? The suggestion of making antiping only work on immobile tees does sound nice for gores. Ignore all inputs outside of freeze

Skeith

DDrace will always be their prime focus, anything that has a potential negative impact on it to make other gamemodes better won't happen. Gores plays far differently than DDrace, ideally you're not interacting with tees at all. I believe the KoG tab was only added to the client because there were issues with the master server due to constant ddos attacks.

Again, fair enough. I can't argue with that, especially that gores plays differently. Although it is not relevant to the discussion, I would like to respectfully disagree to your opinion on the ideal interaction with other tees. I think it is just as crucial to the gameplay as it is on other ddrace maps, speedrunning short easy maps is also just as common in ddrace. Maps labeled "Hard Gores" or above are rarely ever played in a team of less then 5-10 assuming average player skill,

i wouldn‘t like the inconsistency, some tees you see delayed, some not

deen

i wouldn‘t like the inconsistency, some tees you see delayed, some not

Can you elaborate on the why part please? I cant wrap my head around why that would be a problem, except technical aesthetics.

Well, I don't think it's bad for gores gameplay, though. You wouldn't be interacting with tees outside of freeze, and not being able to accurately tell where they are is far more problematic. (They teleport sporadically) ... You'd be far better off if antiping wasn't trying to predict them.

because you have to think about where to aim for each tee, it depends on frozen or unfrozen

one note: if you pull someone, it'll be inconsistent once they become unfrozen

Well, in gores, they'll be stationary and then you hammer them quickly. You don't interact with them afterwards. So I think it'd be fine, no?

unfreezing can also be done by hooking repeatedly

00:27

(and also is. not as often I guess)

It only becomes a problem once they start moving, but when they start moving, it's not your problem, generally. So you wouldn't really care to see them accurately. They would be teleporting with current antiping anyways.

@deen you are right, I should get some sleep

I was only thinking about gores, where its considered a no-no to hook unfrozen tees. @Skeith I would go a step further and call it unplayable, because in gores you in many cases cant even tell if a tee is behind or in front of you, making it difficult to judge if you are at risk of running into the hook of someone else. I have spend the last few days with US gores players and none use antiping on foreign servers, which is a huge loss for them in my opinion. (edited)

Skeith

It only becomes a problem once they start moving, but when they start moving, it's not your problem, generally. So you wouldn't really care to see them accurately. They would be teleporting with current antiping anyways.

not really, with the transition it'd become a problem even if they don't start moving

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I think

The idea is to only have antiping working when they're immobile, so they're not teleporting around, teleporting around is very chaotic in gores, and unneeded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTtbAhQL6kQ&ab_channel=Meskalin @Skeith is this what antiping looks like for you