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Is there a way to render the demos faster ??

Ryozuki

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cool :D

00:34

always 1000 players 24/24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji6psjJ8F6c

All ddnet maps Walktrough

DDNet Multeasymap Walktrough by Astramast & tae in 8:31

01:10

@tae its online

01:10

First walktrough

01:10

of all maps

01:11

Tell me if something wrong with the video so i can know

thanks for making walkthrough videos

heinrich5991

thanks for making walkthrough videos

will make all maps

01:12

i know that not very usefull for that map specifically

not useful for me, might be useful for others

will start with all novices since i can do them all in one run

I think there are a lot of novices

01:13

might take a while

and also for the maps who get released

heinrich5991

I think there are a lot of novices

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01:14

nah

01:14

all ok

@Astramast I can send you pretty much insane amount of demos if you'd like. For all types of servers (edited)

12:03

Most useful walkthrough is for dummy and Solo btw

Дядя Женя

Most useful walkthrough is for dummy and Solo btw

??

12:04

for solos ?

12:04

u mean the server where u can literally watch the map at any time ?

12:05

well send me we will see

No, I mean I have lots of demos of myself playing with dummy

Дядя Женя

No, I mean I have lots of demos of myself playing with dummy

ooh

12:18

well just send me i will see

Sent in DM. 403 demos

ok

12:18

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Some of it will be broken or trash, but anyway around 380 should be good runs

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12:20

btw is there a way to render .demo faster ?

time travel

@Astramast its currently a limitiation on the code

12:48

its theoretically possible to render the demo faster but right now it works bad due to sound

Ryozuki

its theoretically possible to render the demo faster but right now it works bad due to sound

ok no problem

13:00

i just saw that u can just let the game run and do smthing else

13:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5te7Tp-AXVk

All ddnet maps Walktrough

DDNet Beyond Light Walktrough by Astramast & Rexter in 4:34

13:00

@rexter its online

Дядя Женя

Some of it will be broken or trash, but anyway around 380 should be good runs

What name i put for yt titles ?

13:32

evgesha or Дядя Женя

Evgesha I guess

Дядя Женя

Evgesha I guess

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkYIYCsmN1M

All ddnet maps Walktrough

DDNet Lucid Dream Walktrough by Evgesha in 0:58

14:04

tell me if smthing wrong

Дядя Женя

Some of it will be broken or trash, but anyway around 380 should be good runs

ye since i search for runs that are without fails, many are filtered

14:07

+ i dont do montage so it really filter very much (edited)

Astramast

ye since i search for runs that are without fails, many are filtered

you can edit videos btw

Astramast

+ i dont do montage so it really filter very much (edited)

you can just cut demos in teeworlds and then render (edited)

14:34

there are almost no runs without at least some fails or stops (edited)

14:34

and there is no way someone could speedrun every map in tw xD

Astramast

tell me if smthing wrong

Maybe add some music? (edited)

14:40

@Astramast "Momentum" by Ravie is 100% fail free since it has no teleports or stop points

14:41

"NoTeleBro" as well

Дядя Женя

there are almost no runs without at least some fails or stops (edited)

some is not a problem. many is

Дядя Женя

and there is no way someone could speedrun every map in tw xD

we dont want to go fast, we want to make no mistakes

14:56

thats different (edited)

no its not

yes it

14:59

is

but if i manage to do some montage it will be easier

you just cut in TW demo viewer

since a run where u pass 5 mins trying a part can be just cut out

before rendering

Дядя Женя

you just cut in TW demo viewer

ye but i can only cut the start or the end

why

?

15:09

thats only what the renderer let me do

15:09

xD

15:12

or maybe i didnt see smthing ?

15:12

15:12

bcs i just have button start, stop, cut

15:13

and it output the cutted part

You can activate cl_video_pausewithdemo, which will let you pause the recording and cut forward

furo

You can activate cl_video_pausewithdemo, which will let you pause the recording and cut forward

its already to 1

Then pause and cut forward?

??

furo

Then pause and cut forward?

how do i do that

15:16

aaah

15:16

when i render the vid

15:16

i press pause

15:16

i jump

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and i press play

15:17

and it cuts the vid ?

Yes

cool

15:17

ok lets try this i have a 12min run of 2long

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15:20

how do i make that they dont see this ?

15:20

@furo

I don't think that's included in the final video, I'm unsure

15:22

Otherwise pause and then open the menu

Astramast

ok lets try this i have a 12min run of 2long

if you took my 2Long run - I literally skipped second part

15:23

because fuck this map

Дядя Женя

if you took my 2Long run - I literally skipped second part

didnt watch yet entirely

15:24

but for example u loose 2mins on 2nd part to begin again, since it breaks the walktrough this part must be cutted

15:25

i want to avoid downtimes since its a walktrough (edited)

Of course

15:26

That's the idea. Did you see "memento Mori" walkthrough on YouTube? It's smooth af, but starkiller failed a lot here, it's just a matter of good montage

ye but multeasymap walktrough is like my first video lmao

15:26

so it will be jump cut montage (edited)

Just set up your way to edit, render and montage

15:27

And then you can clip 50 videos per day easily

15:27

Only will need some demos

the only problem now is that rendering is very slow

I could try to code my own renderer, but unfortunately, I don't want to xDD

so maybe first see the demo, note the timestamps to cut, then fullrender, then cut the mp4 itself

15:28

seems a good strat for me

15:29

just need a mp4 editer

You could at least cut out the big parts before render

15:29

So it would be somewhat faster

ye

15:29

also

15:29

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how make that this is not in the mp4 ?

15:30

i know

15:30

maybe

strange that it is

15:32

ok it works (edited)

15:33

i just need to press pause before pressing esc to jump cut, then press esc to put the rendering layout out, then press space to continue the video

15:33

problem solved

15:33

nice

15:33

i will upload at least a run per day

cool

Maybe at least... This year?

thats a cool grenade

thats a whole new game to be exact

wdym

with completely rewritten everything from scratch

ah

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15:48

Facing some netcode problems now. As well as making physics work independent on execution order. But already have a solution for this one

Teeworlds in unity? Is that even legal? (edited)

yes, it's even fast

15:54

but still needs some multithreading for big amount of players

Дядя Женя

Maybe at least... This year?

teeclone 2

16:39

justatest

Дядя Женя

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is it related to, or inspired by this repo? https://github.com/PawelAdam/Projekcik

GitHub - PawelAdam/Projekcik: Unity project for university, 2d game...

Unity project for university, 2d game in Teeworlds style. - GitHub - PawelAdam/Projekcik: Unity project for university, 2d game in Teeworlds style.

no, its not

16:50

just making ddnet clone with improvements on unity

i'm kind of interested in this!

16:51

what other features will you add in?

not sure if I will manage to complete this project. But its for steam only. So the most interesting things, of course, are related to so-called "accounts" which are automatically attached to your steam acc

16:52

also cool skins)

will there be gameplay mechanics different from ddnet?

new - yes. But ~~all~~ most old (not trash) mechanics are also implemented and feels the same. (But from code's point of view it's not the same... Math is different... Complicated...) (edited)

so you're gonna do this all by yourself?

Making games is hard...

17:02

I hire VFX artists for visuals

that's fair

Everything other I made by myself

17:04

Turns out professional programmers capable of making things this project requires have some other work to do. And costs are insane for them

17:06

tbh it's not that hard, just a lot of work

17:06

and I hate making UI for the editor

Дядя Женя

Maybe at least... This year?

cool particles

17:23

give me give me

17:23

:D

17:24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji6psjJ8F6c

All ddnet maps Walktrough

DDNet Multeasymap Walktrough by Astramast & tae in 8:31

17:24

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17:24

im taking over guys

popularity

Astramast

give me give me

its completely independent game on another engine

Дядя Женя

its completely independent game on another engine

waaa

17:26

one day i will do like u

17:26

im making studies in informatics

17:27

"computer studies" tell me google trad

if you wanna learn something you should learn by yourself in your free time

yup

17:28

also

17:28

computer studies are going quite 'deeper'

17:29

but ppl on higher years or that finished the studies tell us to do more than what the school ask bcs school give like a big base

17:29

but if u dont practice its useless

ye making games requires lot of time and effort

17:30

as long as its not a super minimalistic game

even if its super minimalistic

@Дядя Женя damm sick stuff dude

But I guess you can make games as a hobby if you put just some time in it and you're being a programmer

stardew valley was made by 1 guy in 4 years, spending about 10 hours a day

Professional game development require, like, your whole life and soul to be sold to the devil and doing nothing more then just games/math/geometry

17:32

4 years are quite a lot

ye

17:32

and luckily his game got famous and is now a millionare

17:32

but most fail hard

17:32

xd

thats about how much ddworlds (name of my clone project) development would take

17:33

millionares are just an 0.0001% of lucky game developers (edited)

Ryozuki

stardew valley was made by 1 guy in 4 years, spending about 10 hours a day

ye and imagine if the game doesnt pop off

as I like to say you can earn from 0 to ∞ being game developer. Mostly 0

having a 25$ salary, his work would cost 4 * 54 * 5 * 10 * 25 = 270000

17:34

working 10 hours on weekdays

bencie

ye and imagine if the game doesnt pop off

There are tons of games like this

and 25$ hour is prob cheap

how much did he make on stardew tho

30million

17:35

he is successful

gooddamn bro

17:35

he should buy me a car YEP

@bencie did u play his game?

or a house

its fully deserved

no

17:35

i almost tried it out

17:35

but didnt lol

Ryozuki

stardew valley was made by 1 guy in 4 years, spending about 10 hours a day

wait, 10 hours a day for 4 years is too much even for one guy. Did he draw everything himself? And wrote... And produces sounds... ?

okay its 15 million

n000b

@Дядя Женя damm sick stuff dude

thank you

he is a solo dev i think ye

Ryozuki

and 25$ hour is prob cheap

where are you from

17:37

I'm earning around 9-10$ per hour and its considered highly above average lol

spain

17:37

well im talking about murican salary

17:37

the average for a game dev there is 32$

well, freelancing is a good thing to be thought of

here in spain average is 10€

17:39

for game dev

fuck, we're poor...

well the cost of living is higher in america

true. The most effective way to live is work online for america and live in Russia

17:42

@Ryozuki do you know how netcode is working in teeworlds?

stardew valley overrated imo

You could save me some time by explaining the idea of how they rollback and send data

but damn 4 years

i dont know that much

17:43

it uses some kind of snapshot system with deltas iirc

17:43

xd

17:43

probs heinrich can explain you

17:43

https://github.com/heinrich5991/libtw2/tree/master/doc

libtw2/doc at master · heinrich5991/libtw2

Some Teeworlds stuff in Rust. Contribute to heinrich5991/libtw2 development by creating an account on GitHub.

17:43

useful stuff here

Helped a lot with map parsing

i know that tw works at like 50hz and the client smoothes it all

I know it's 50 TPS ofc

17:46

And I heard that server sends UDP each second frame

17:46

So 25 times

the server repeatedly sends the current state of the world to the client

17:47

the client doesn't have a say in this

17:47

you could say it's rolled back each time you receive the world state from the server

do you send only inputs

17:48

to the server. And proceed it realtime

17:48

so no rollback at all?

you only send inputs

17:48

the server sends the results

17:49

maybe I haven't done enough game development to know what rollback means here

17:49

the server never applies inputs retroactively

when you load old game state to see what played did few frames ago, calculate the results and recalculate current game state to send

17:50

so there is "no" latency

prediction?

17:50

ddnet client has a prediction u can toggle

17:50

xd

the server never loads old gamestates

17:51

the client uses old gamestates to predict what the current state might look like

17:51

but it always discards it once it gets new data from the server

and so you don't have any "current tick number/ID"? (edited)

17:52

Which you need so sync between client and server

17:52

and always consider received inputs / gamestate as newest and most actual?

we have a tick ID

17:53

so we know how old the server's state is that we just received

17:53

how far we have to predict from that

and how do you sync that

the server says which tick is the current one

17:55

the client tells the server what tick its input will apply to

17:55

the server sends back on which tick the input was actually applied, I think, but I'm hazy on the details there

but how do you initially sync those values to know what tick to apply inputs to

17:56

don't tell me that server just sends tick number on connection and client is constantly incrementing it

the server just sends ticks

17:57

it doesn't try to sync to the clients

so you calculate ping and add it to received tick number so you know what tick it is approximately on server +-? (edited)

I don't know. that's what I would guess happens on the client

17:59

I know that the only magic that happens is on the client side

so server doesn't care at all, it just receives some inputs, applies it realtime and send game states?

yes

18:01

AFAIK

do you check for packet duplication/loss/out of order for UDP?

there's a network layer over UDP that can do reliable message delivery

18:03

but it's not used for world transmission with snapshots (something custom is rolled there) and also not for inputs (lost inputs are just lost)

18:03

to clarify, if you hold hook, you send that you hold hook until you no longer hold hook

18:03

so if just one packet like that goes through, you start hooking

always wondered how teeworlds netcode even working while being so bad

what's wrong with it?

it's overall bad, but looked like it has some rollback on server implemented at least

18:05

Now turns out it doesn;t

18:06

that clarifies much

^^

18:06

rollback on server can be bad, not having it excludes some classes of cheats completely

18:06

it would alleviate lag problems though

did you know that math in TW physics is slower then %put_something_slow_here%

I know that the "algorithms" are very bad

18:08

it uses O(n^2) for tee-tee-collision, and checks for tee-tile-collision very inefficiently as well

oh, while you're here, maybe you can explain to me the greatest mystery of whole one year I'm trying to make my project

18:10

Why does hammer work properly and the same for all character while being called in for loop foreach character

because it's not interleaved with other physics calculations, probably?

1. Why frozen tees can hammer on the frame they were unfrozen independent on execution order

because we explicitly implemented that as a feature

18:11

or rather, some tees hammer a tick later, some a tick earleir

2. Why I'm getting totally another results when copying teeworlds hammering constants and the same results when altering it

idk, have you tried debugging intermediate states? ^^

3. Why hammer force/velocity does not depend on execution order while from looking at a code it must

have you looked at each call site of FireWeapon and checked which one gets called for hammer?

yes?

(there was more than one IIRC, and which got called was uninituitive IIRC)

handleWeapon and FireWeapon are both called when everything other is called. In Foreach (Entity) loop.

not only then IIRC

18:15

sorry, can't look it up myself rn

sad, but good to know that it may have some sensible explaination (edited)

18:17

@heinrich5991was it covered by over 9000 levels of abstraction so Visual Studio's parser could not find the reference to when its called? (edited)

I see two calls to FireWeapon in the character.cpp file

18:21

you only described one

@heinrich5991 what u think about my issue pepe

pepe

@heinrich5991but its called from OnDirectInput which called from OnClientPredictedEarlyInput which is never called, says visual studio (edited)

use full text search to find the callers

18:27

it has a unique name

yes, Im doing it now. Seems to be called somewhere, omg...

18:29

so it's just coincidence and FireWeapon from HandleWeapon is never called?

I don't know

@heinrich5991lol, it is never called from game loop

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whawt map

the box

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eK2XdS1MDY

All ddnet maps Walktrough

DDNet Water Lily Walktrough by Astramast & MKplays4U in 2:05

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@MKplays4U its online !

20:14

If something is wrong tell me

Astramast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eK2XdS1MDY

Write the server in video's name like [Novice] Chicken Pie 2 | Walkthrough And make some playlists on channel for each server type

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Дядя Женя

Write the server in video's name like [Novice] Chicken Pie 2 | Walkthrough And make some playlists on channel for each server type

why

Astramast

why

Looks better

nekoruwul

Looks better

no why do playlists ?

Дядя Женя

Write the server in video's name like [Novice] Chicken Pie 2 | Walkthrough And make some playlists on channel for each server type

?

easy to sort/find

23:12

good to look at

plsplsplslol

whawt map

dusts leaf

23:34

solo

lol wtf that mapis so easy

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