DDraceNetwork - general

lol wtf @Souly

what did he do?

i did u

Can anyone control the ban I got under the name Nora? I did not use a bot client, but when I came back to the game while afk, I got banned because of the bot client.

Nora

Can anyone control the ban I got under the name Nora? I did not use a bot client, but when I came back to the game while afk, I got banned because of the bot client.

can you send me your public ipv4 address in a dm?

send me it too

00:52

bencie

send me it too

: )

why can't I add the ddnet bot on my server?

@deen wtf is that dumb idea. Do stereotype 2 and 3 now count as teamrank only maps because there id one single part where you need a third player but the map is Designed as 2p map?XD

03:14

Idea is dumb at all If the mapper Designed his map not good enough to force people to keep all players to finish they shouldnt be punished for that lol

03:14

Deleting teamranks on that base is just shit

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03:14

Reverse that wtf

Surprised Pikachu face

k:Ons

i think stereotype 2 and 3 werent changed

Konsti doesn't like a change? I'm absolutely baffled

Learath2

Konsti doesn't like a change? I'm absolutely baffled

he's right tho, why punish players if mapper fault

We did the same for 2p maps for an entire decade

its not mapper fault

It helps mappers map better without having to think about every little detail, as with the startline skip patch

even if the entire map is 3p, it could still be faster to kill 1 player at the end

plsplsplslol

even if the entire map is 3p, it could still be faster to kill 1 player at the end

You can technically add a 3p part right at the end to force you to keep the 3rd is their point I think

yeah but usually it would be faster to kill the 3rd player than drag him out

07:05

unless its mapped really weird

You can add a 3 gate contraption I guess

Learath2

We did the same for 2p maps for an entire decade

2p are totally different

perrodecerro

2p are totally different

How is it any different? The game won't give you a teamrank if you lose your teammate

Learath2

How is it any different? The game won't give you a teamrank if you lose your teammate

ye ofc it wont give teamrank, thats why u both finish map and cant ditch ur teammate, in 3p map u just nee 2p for t teamrank

07:10

the idea is okay, fair, but touch old ranks kinda annoying for those ppl that did skips

Um, so it's not the mappers fault in a 2p map but it is in a 3 or 4p map? :D

perrodecerro

the idea is okay, fair, but touch old ranks kinda annoying for those ppl that did skips

They keep their normal ranks, it'd be unfair to let them keep teamranks if no one can get them anymore

Learath2

Um, so it's not the mappers fault in a 2p map but it is in a 3 or 4p map? :D

yes? 2p map its for sure both tees will finish cuz for get a teamrank u only need 2 tees, in 3+ u still needed 2 for it. there are many ways to force the 3+ tees finish

You do know that we make the rules, right? Teeworlds didn't just exist. We decided we didnt want people ditching partners so we added the 2p minimum for a teamrank. Didn't think about 3p and 4p back then so it was like that for a while

07:18

These are not laws of nature, they are an arbitrary set of rules :P

07:19

Fwiw there are many ways to force a 2p finish too, so that's not really a fair argument

Learath2

You do know that we make the rules, right? Teeworlds didn't just exist. We decided we didnt want people ditching partners so we added the 2p minimum for a teamrank. Didn't think about 3p and 4p back then so it was like that for a while

yee thats the point, literally so man y years didnt think about 3+p and for me its okay u do it now but maybe use it with new maps? in this years so many ppl "ditched (most of them a dummy)" for a faster teamrank, and now delete it kinda sucks, so imo dont touch old maps will be nice

plsplsplslol

even if the entire map is 3p, it could still be faster to kill 1 player at the end

ye but thats a flaw, it also works in many 2p maps if u wanted a faster time u could kill 1 of the 2 tees and get a better overall time. as learath said its simply something that wasnt thought about

in 2p you dont get a teamrank with that though

my first reaction was also to fix it but not enforce it on live maps coz it kinda sucks to touch older ranks

because you only have 1 left

yes and exactly as learath said

07:30

its just a flaw that wasnt thought about

07:31

why would it be different for 3p maps

yeah it shouldnt be different

snail

my first reaction was also to fix it but not enforce it on live maps coz it kinda sucks to touch older ranks

but if u think about it its gonna be a huge mess and very inconsistent if some older maps 3p+ can be team-finished with 2 tees in order to gets a faster time.. while newer maps couldnt people would also complain then because "it worked in older maps and not in that new map what the fuck admins" (edited)

Maybe we could have left old maps untouched but it's so annoying to maintain stuff when we have 6 different rulesets for different maps

ye

07:32

and being honest killing a player to get a faster time is obviously tricking the game, which worked back then but if it ever gets fixed it shouldnt come as a huge surprise/backstab lol

07:33

the goal of this change is to make it fair for ppl who want to speedrun the map without having to sacrifice 1 player that actively contributed

Could there just be exceptions if a map is bad mapped like Stereotype 2, 3?

ye there should be more people involved in checking which maps should have min team size set

could you also make it so that you can't cross start line without the required amount of players (similarly to sv_max_team_size)?

That would be forcing team sizes, which would have even less support from the council of elders

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if u dont make last part 3p at least make first part XD

plsplsplslol

ye there should be more people involved in checking which maps should have min team size set

you can still report maps which require 3+ tees to finish

but also maps that only need 2 to finish

why? what for?

so you dont delete ranks that are legit

ok I just woke up, i'll read your messages later once more and try to figure out what you're talking about thonk

(edited)

@murpi https://ddnet.tw/maps/Steff-32-III-32-peace/

08:24

3man map which has 2man teamranks

I think there is some 3p map that can be finished completely 2p xD

ᶰ°Konͧsti

I think there is some 3p map that can be finished completely 2p xD

its literally just the first drag part that requires a 3rd tee and rest is easily 2man but with the new rule it should be counted as 3man map

why would you delete old teamrank 2p finishes feelsbadman

to make it fair, you can‘t make them anymore

08:45

like when we fix a map we have to delete cheated ranks

they could have done the same finishing as 2p

@deen https://ddnet.tw/maps/NUT-95-hardcore-95-bestof/ I would like to ask about this rank,its a 4player map but we played the whole map from start to finish as a 3man team

ano

they could have done the same finishing as 2p

but we removed that with sv min team size

Shouldnt the mapper decide if he wants to put sv min team size? So it will only affect future maps?

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@deen @murpi https://ddnet.tw/maps/NUT-95-hardcore-95-race6/ this map it says 3tees required but also possible to go from start to finish in a 2man team and 2man teams werent deleted

dont touch old maps feelsbadman

exactly

09:13

if its possible to do with 2 tees then dont set sv_min_team_size to 3

how does sv_min_team_size work on a map like double dragin since its a 4man map but the 2dummies get killed at end

NovaShock

@deen https://ddnet.tw/maps/NUT-95-hardcore-95-bestof/ I would like to ask about this rank,its a 4player map but we played the whole map from start to finish as a 3man team

Delete all nut maps. They shit anuway

NovaShock

how does sv_min_team_size work on a map like double dragin since its a 4man map but the 2dummies get killed at end

u cant finish without the dummies so it doesnt have sv min team size Anyway.

it would be sv_min_team_size 2

09:37

but i think thats the default value

correct

ᶰ°Konͧsti

Shouldnt the mapper decide if he wants to put sv min team size? So it will only affect future maps?

It's too messy to have multiple rules and we still keep the ranks, just not counted as team ranks

10:03

to be honest it should have been done like this from the start, I just never considered it

Its not messy, changes to the rules just shouldnt be enforced backwards

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if the result is a much cleaner experience, then yea they should

https://happy-2022.com/?ref=happy_61cd89b06936e It's a site that sends messages or letters on New Year's Day. :) It's not a bad site, so don't worry!

새해 복 많이 주세요

2022 새해 복 많이 주세요 #복주머니 챌린지

@TsFreddie

10:18

IS THIS REAL?

Did you just do a racism? How is a chinese guy supposed to check out a korean site?

its not racism

10:45

i don't know what language that is

10:45

so i assumed chinese

No, you have been cancelled already

@Meekrioz troll

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10:56

looks nothing like

Learath2

No, you have been cancelled already

if so i can say whatever i want right?

11:37

tips: Chinese doesn't have circles in them

11:39

other than 〇 i guess which literally means zero

A lot of straight vertical lines = Korean, Block letters = Chinese, Block letters mixed with alien looking glyphs = Japanese

11:40

Enchantment table language = hebrew or hindu

上山川

but but but

up mountain river

above mountain stream

11:41

I have 河 as river

since ddnet is changing stuff can we seperate 2p teamranks and teamranks with more than 2people to another list,doing maps in large teams require less skill and can be used to skip a lot of parts in brutal maps which isnt possible for 2p teams and ruins the rankings

I wanted the new points system to reflect that fact actually but I never figured out how best to reward that

@NovaShock in what way does it ruin the team rankings? are there top ranks with more than 2 players?

@heinrich5991 like this map https://ddnet.tw/maps/NUT-95-hardcore-95-race2/ it says require 3tees but top teamranks are with 4people

okay, so you want to separate min team size from the rest?

Lmao just get a forth person

yeah I think the rankings would look better and people who actually try to 2p maps get rewarded

can you show a 2p map where this is a problem?

12:01

in my experience, all the top ranks I see on 2p maps are with two players

https://ddnet.tw/maps/Generica

12:02

more people would try to 2p maps like this

top ranks are 2p

12:03

I don't really see the problem tbh

heinrich5991

top ranks are 2p

hmm I probably worded it wrong with what I meant,like I want to see more effort put into 2p teams and not people just join 10man teams and play maps not how it was meant,making parts much easier than what the mapper intended

I think the reason people play in 10 man teams is that it's more fun. It's almost like team 0 but just a tad more controlled

12:16

If you want more people to play 2p I think it might be better to award more points to people who play at the minimum teamsize, that might be a good motivator

Yes that could be a fix. Or giving less points if you go above. Not sure what would look better/be better.

川 is still mountain tho

Happy New Year! .... not 2022 though....

guys, i have a problem - im playing with normal ping without lag but while im playing ping just spikes tyo like 200 for a second and goes back to normal

12:58

it only happens in teeworlds, specifically in gores servers and i instantly fail when it spikes

12:58

i thought i fixed it yesterday by unticking use high dpi options but its still there

Learath2

A lot of straight vertical lines = Korean, Block letters = Chinese, Block letters mixed with alien looking glyphs = Japanese

But Korean is actually quite easy. :)

메로나

But Korean is actually quite easy. :)

alphabet is ez af but learning actual words is quite difficult :D

13:00

pronunciation is hard af too

13:00

at least in my case idk

메로나

But Korean is actually quite easy. :)

It's easy if it's your native language

메로나

But Korean is actually quite easy. :)

I can read the korean alphabet, but I never really learned how to pronounce stuff

English is difficult for me.Because an infinite number of words and many other difficult word....

doesnt korean have infinite words too? xd

Learath2

I can read the korean alphabet, but I never really learned how to pronounce stuff

my name is Melona.

marto

doesnt korean have infinite words too? xd

I think it does. The word that is difficult for Koreans to read is "뷁" or something else.

how is that pronounced

13:06

buel? buelg?

oh,,,I don't know in English pronunciation either,,

13:08

As my translator says, bwek ..?

makes sense

eu sou de brasil

13:56

kkkkkkkkkkkk

NovaShock

since ddnet is changing stuff can we seperate 2p teamranks and teamranks with more than 2people to another list,doing maps in large teams require less skill and can be used to skip a lot of parts in brutal maps which isnt possible for 2p teams and ruins the rankings

you already punish bigger teams by the worse time they get because it usually always takes more time to finish with more players. (edited)

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14:33

Sorry i wanted to type bigger monkalaugh

@ᶰ°Konͧsti you can still edit the message before discord mods see it thonk

ᶰ°Konͧsti

Sorry i wanted to type bigger monkalaugh

your a bigger nouis

Wow

15:04

Happy New Year

15:04

Im korea

Im germany

Korea already has 2022.

happy new year korea !

철로 입문자 필랜

Happy New Year

You're from the Future!

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David*°Villa

You're from the Future!

Hi david villa!

15:06

A.M. 12:06 now

Happy new year

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Oh!

15:06

North korea

15:06

ㅗㅜㅑ

15:06

안되는데

best korea

Yeah

15:06

?

15:06

South korea is bes..t!

철로 입문자 필랜

Hi david villa!

Hello friend, Happy new year to Korea

THX u!

15:08

I’m in the 5star hotel

15:08

15:08

Happy New Year 새해 복 많이 받으세요

Happy New Year guys

happy new year korea

15:23

xd

Happy New Year ppl (edited)

15:32

:D

heinrich5991

I don't really see the problem tbh

in harder maps it often is a problem, also many finishes are showing way less players than used to run the map, but finishing as 2p because players died along the ways or just dummies used as a safety. but well yeah usually if u finish as 2p u will destroy the bigger teams finish times so it should be good enough as an incentive to finish 2p, (given we're just talking about the current teampoints and not a new "competitive" laddder) (edited)

Talk to an admin.

Why did u delete my messagea

15:45

S

no reason to write it in #general

15:46

talk to an admin about it.

Ok then let it be and dont delete

No, i won't

And that is why

i just told you

Perhaps ur the one banning dynamic ips for years

15:47

Just so u know, ur dumb shit

@Discord Mod can we get a mute over here?

15:48

Cagihs friend is mad

Who even is cagih

15:48

R u retarded

stay mad

15:48

cagihs friend

@Learath2 unban the entire netia range

메로나

https://happy-2022.com/?ref=happy_61cd89b06936e It's a site that sends messages or letters on New Year's Day. :) It's not a bad site, so don't worry!

Thank guys ❤ Thank you for the lucky bag letter :)

I cant play the fucking game

15:49

Cuz of some dumbass

Probably better with your attitude.

15:49

:)

15:49

Touch some grass

Yea stfu asshole

eat green grass

Mad cause banned

Yea mad cause some retarded moderator bans the entire range

im banning ONE ip

not an entire range

r u stupid

15:50

U banned half of my ips

SUUURE

Fucking moron

i banned one ip

15:50

just now

JUST NOW?

whats your ingame name? i will try to unban you

@Meekrioz take this to admins or ur breaking ur own rule monkalaugh

U KNOW LONG RANGE BANS STACK????

Ryozuki

@Meekrioz take this to admins or ur breaking ur own rule monkalaugh

my own rule? kek

My ingame name is chovy

moderator rules*

chovy HAHAHA

15:51

you literally spammed racist shit just a few minutes ago

15:51

gtfo

No i didnt

LOOOL

15:51

dobt ne racist kids

you will stay banned

15:52

:)

zoo land here or what

cagihs friends are taking over

15:52

"don`t block other tees" xD

Meekrioz

cagihs friends are taking over

Who are those

15:53

15:53

ReiTW

Who are those

people that spam racist shit

15:54

I don't see any racist shit

ReiTW

I don't see any racist shit

ingame.

Hes racist himself

15:54

He hates us poles

never said that did i?

Mute exist then

truuueeee

Hes deleting our messages

15:54

Cuz he hates our country

15:55

stay mad

15:55

racist moderator

Poland will overtake this world soon

15:55

And u will regret this

Can't wait

gej xd

Poland will overtake this world soon

U mean russia*

15:56

guys do you think biedronka will be open now

15:56

i wanna go to ahop

15:56

shop

me when

@Meekrioz why u deleted szop pracz message

xd

15:57

He thinks its racist

its a racoon

15:57

szop pracz

its him!!

cute

i wont play ddnet until next year

16:00

D:

16:00

YOU WONT!

lies

Ryozuki

i wont play ddnet until next year

mayb dont play lol until 2023

wat

Ryozuki

i wont play ddnet until next year

i cant manage that

16:17

too addicted justatest

bruh