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Between 2021-12-22 00:00:00Z and 2021-12-23 00:00:00Z
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https://colormytree.me/users/f07ee8a9043d7dfe It can send messages and Christmas letters to friends or others on Christmas. This link is for me. I'd appreciate it if you could. :)
There are 15 letters on my Christmas tree. :)
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heinrich5991
@Souly what do you want to run on join?
would be nice to make some kind of reset file like the server has
02:44
so some stuff would get back to normal after joining different server
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can i get better ping if i use vpn
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Proxpy :)
can i get better ping if i use vpn
I believe youll get block by the server i think
09:41
Saw someone get kicked out for using vpn (edited)
09:56
I want to watch it but cant understand the language
09:57
Holy fk nevermind theres english caption
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cant use my crosshair anymore justatest
10:20
HALP!
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play without crosshair greenthing
10:21
btw, I played this map and forgot the name
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well, i just can hook/fire in this direction xd
10:21
is a bit hard to play xD
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AVA Snaux
cant use my crosshair anymore justatest
When use the bind u morun 5
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binds r for noobs
10:22
@Stepfunn better help me gettin this problem fixed
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You just have to set your mouse_max_distance
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u muffinhead
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Look for max in f1
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AVA Snaux
cant use my crosshair anymore justatest
tell me the mapname pls xD
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its 0 xD
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You should find a setting that sounds similar
10:23
Yea turn it up
10:23
You pepega
10:23
400 is default i think
10:23
u beautiful
10:23
OMEGALUL
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400 is def yeah
10:24
633 is dyn
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AVA Snaux
u beautiful
Ur mom
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yes shes beautiful too
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Yea last night as well
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oh nonono
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imagine feelsamazingman
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and I still don't know the map's name feelsbadman
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ah sry
10:26
Solo Future
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which is kinda funny, cause map is outdated monkalaugh
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how to open the server?
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ddnet_lgbt @Vendetta
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greenthing @Cipy29
yes 1
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how play teeworld in android ?
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RayManD
how play teeworld in android ?
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RayManD
how play teeworld in android ?
you dont
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feelsamazingman 1
15:16
its unplayable in my experience
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this apk used to connect to teeworld servers? or do you need a specific server (edited)
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yes you can connect to tw and ddnet servers with it
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Headshot
yes you can connect to tw and ddnet servers with it
Perfect Thanks
15:19
which ones better
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this new system is so unrewarding for real speedruns
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Rockus
this new system is so unrewarding for real speedruns
but it give chance for non pro players to get some rank points for the first time since its basically always below 10 for average players
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Rockus
this new system is so unrewarding for real speedruns
How so? If you are much faster than 2nd rank you get more points than before
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something something macro
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deen
How so? If you are much faster than 2nd rank you get more points than before
btw why not just make new one separated from the old one
15:34
name it something like speed points
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deen
How so? If you are much faster than 2nd rank you get more points than before
like, not to be mean, but oldschool maps are trash. there's 171 oldschool maps and 150 novice maps. spooky is getting double the points we're getting for basically the same amount of maps
15:35
not saying spooky doesn't have good runs on oldschool
15:35
but no one plays that server for speedrunning xd
15:35
maybe some more people should
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rockus is butthurt other ppl are getting his r1
15:36
i'm not
15:36
you're not even playing
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Rockus
maybe some more people should
how bout making multiplier like when getting points from different difficulty
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why are you talking @Ryozuki xd
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lol thats no argument at all
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how is that not an argument?
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ur clearly butthurt cuz u come everyday here saying bullshit
15:36
step up ur game or go cry another sv
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everyday? i've made pretty good sugestions. i like to give my opinion and i like to listen to others opinions
15:37
why are you being so agrressive
15:37
chill out
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ok bro
15:37
xd
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did you have a bad day?
15:37
do you want to talk about it?
15:37
seems like you're ranting for no reason honestly
15:37
at least @Heneral Luna is giving some nice opinions
justatest 1
15:37
instead of just saying "you're butthurt"
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sure bro
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bye bye, muted
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go phsycoanalyze another
15:37
this new system sucks ass
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Heneral Luna
btw why not just make new one separated from the old one
because they are nearly identical to the old ones
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i thought it was beteter
15:38
better
15:38
@paradise i said that with no offense at all
15:38
but i guess ryozuki got offended isntead of you xdd
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Rockus
like, not to be mean, but oldschool maps are trash. there's 171 oldschool maps and 150 novice maps. spooky is getting double the points we're getting for basically the same amount of maps
then just look at the https://ddnet.tw/ranks/novice page and ignore oldschool
15:38
look this
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423 points for a rank is insane
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how is it wrong
15:39
it rewards better ranks
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paradise
this new system sucks ass
how come no one gave this feedback when I asked for it?
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and improvement
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Now I spent all this time implementing it and it turns out no one likes it
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we didn't know it would make this huge of a difference
15:39
nooo
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@Ryozuki can you shut the fuck up? you're just being annoying for no reason what the fuck
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it seemed good first but idk now tbh LOL its broken on some maps ngl
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Rockus
@Ryozuki can you shut the fuck up? you're just being annoying for no reason what the fuck
you are being annoying to me
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especially on skip maps
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deen
because they are nearly identical to the old ones
how so the old one is about player rankings and new one is about the time of run
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Heneral Luna
how so the old one is about player rankings and new one is about the time of run
Yes, but I explained in the news post why I changed it to that
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well, let's hope this inspires people to play more oldschool maps
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just keep new system and divide points by 4 no one will notice trollet
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Rockus
well, let's hope this inspires people to play more oldschool maps
oldschool map is the whole definition of gay
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Oldschool time difference != novice time difference (or in other words long map time difference != short maps time difference)
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Heneral Luna
oldschool map is the whole definition of gay
that's homophobic xd
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basically they want to get more points for their novice r1
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for short maps actually
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downplaying other categories cuz they know they have most r1 on that
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even spooky said it is broken
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paradise
Click to see attachment 🖼️
i think this can happen in maps with low finishes or never speedrunned, but maybe with time get fixed when people play these maps with old ranks
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Discuss without the toxicity
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you're so butthurt
15:41
it's insane
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im stating the obvious
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it is different to speedrun long maps than short maps tbf, but i think can all be adjusted in the long run so
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your'e not
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your clearly biased here
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you're just being rude for no reason
15:41
plus you don't even play the game
15:41
how do you give feedback?
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where i am rude?
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i checked your page
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i play the game actually
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you have 0 ranks
15:42
how can you opinate on this shit?
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this doesn't affect you at all
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nd even if i did or not i have a say in this
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the only reason its broken cuz nobody plays oldschool
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you just talk out of your arse
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ur being extremely rude
15:42
for no reason
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:)
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you deserve it
15:42
i stated your biases
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Take it to DMs, please
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idk if theres any way to fix that, just nerf ranks on maps that aren't as popular?
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you simply said im jealous
15:42
lmfao
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its relevant to the general convo
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@louis naw that would be just dumb af
15:43
imo
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Ryozuki
downplaying other categories cuz they know they have most r1 on that
this is ur bias
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paradise
@louis naw that would be just dumb af
ye, that makes no sense
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Ryozuki
this is ur bias
no
15:43
you're assuming that
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it clearly is
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why so?
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louis
idk if theres any way to fix that, just nerf ranks on maps that aren't as popular?
maybe add something to include total finishes in the new calculation
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"why so?" cuz all ur stakes are there
15:43
so u downplay other categories
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ok. so in your opinion, getting 430 points for a rank is clearly fair
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xd
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like oldschool
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it is if the rank is rly good and optimized
15:44
if others cant catch up
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@paradise is that rank good and optimized?
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you always have a way to reduce their points
15:44
do your own rank
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i agree with rockus here
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louis
i agree with rockus here
thank you
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like he is being toxic but his ranks are very optimized, as novice is being speedran a lot
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this guy is just insulting me because im "rockuS" xd
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Rockus
@paradise is that rank good and optimized?
i mean obviously but it's skip troll
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holy shit
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paradise
i mean obviously but it's skip troll
tee_thinking
15:45
why should i optimize simpleplay1 run if i'll get almost the same points as r2? might as well play some unplayed maps and get free points
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@deen idc if new system or no, but if it is new system then can you divide the points by 4? seeing such big numbers all of a sudden really fks with my monke brain
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So let's get rid of the bonus points?
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Cipy29
@deen idc if new system or no, but if it is new system then can you divide the points by 4? seeing such big numbers all of a sudden really fks with my monke brain
Not really since I wanted smaller ranks to get points too
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well, with time, the oldschool maps might get more speedrunners, who knows
15:46
maybe this system makes people speedrun lesser known maps
15:46
maybe that's for good
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Rockus
why should i optimize simpleplay1 run if i'll get almost the same points as r2? might as well play some unplayed maps and get free points
upp
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then why not make multiplier or something maps with less finish will get fewer rank points (edited)
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Heneral Luna
then why not make multiplier or something maps with less finish will get fewer rank points (edited)
thats bad, extremely difficult maps with good ranks deserve their good amount of points
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can't you just strengthen points for times that are very close together? like seconds close
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Ryozuki
thats bad, extremely difficult maps with good ranks deserve their good amount of points
then seperate it from brutal difficulty+?
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thats hard to do since not all brutal maps are the most difficult
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deen
Not really since I wanted smaller ranks to get points too
can't you just do the division just before the display? 31955 -> 7988, 1 -> 0.25 or would that look too ugly
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dividing is pointless imho
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I didn't want to deal with numbers < 1
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Ryozuki
thats hard to do since not all brutal maps are the most difficult
then make a limit on how much points one can get
15:48
like the top1 can only get 10 points
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ye makes sense
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Heneral Luna
like the top1 can only get 10 points
Then just get old system back xd
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Knuski
Then just get old system back xd
but base on time
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i personally dont like it, i think if someone is way better than the average to the point where his times are rly apart it should be rewarded
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plus rank points are only for speedrunner so it looks ugly for normal players profile since its always few
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Ryozuki
i personally dont like it, i think if someone is way better than the average to the point where his times are rly apart it should be rewarded
"way better" what do you consider way better?
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for example
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on novice, way better might mean miliseconds
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Heneral Luna
plus rank points are only for speedrunner so it looks ugly for normal players profile since its always few
Cellegen | HU 2021-12-22 15:51:11Z
Actually more and more people are into that shit
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while on brutal, way better might mean minutes
15:51
there's your problem
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Cellegen | HU 2021-12-22 15:52:03Z
just the amount of time difference between top ranks in different difficulties
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like mine looks ugly af
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Agree with rockus, time isnt a good factor
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time is the only factor on ranks
15:52
it just needs to be weighted differently
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how about ranks from different server
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I mean how good the time is
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Heneral Luna
how about ranks from different server
Cellegen | HU 2021-12-22 15:52:52Z
It all comes down to the db
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Ryozuki
thats hard to do since not all brutal maps are the most difficult
u can merge both @Heneral Luna ideas and u get a filter kinda consistent for example if map under x difficult is under 5k finishes dont allow to have big point ranks gaps but on hard maps low that number of finishes to keep it balanced the point is to avoid people farming ranks in maps that usually are not speedruned
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@deen maybe calculate like the median separation between top 10 ranks and do bonus based on that
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so its more relative
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Lagar
u can merge both @Heneral Luna ideas and u get a filter kinda consistent for example if map under x difficult is under 5k finishes dont allow to have big point ranks gaps but on hard maps low that number of finishes to keep it balanced the point is to avoid people farming ranks in maps that usually are not speedruned
Thats stupid for new releases
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Knuski
Thats stupid for new releases
true, didnt think on it justatest
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same.
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Ryozuki
@deen maybe calculate like the median separation between top 10 ranks and do bonus based on that
oh no, even more complicated 😄
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Knuski
Thats stupid for new releases
why not subtract the points the more finishes it gets
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btw idk if this happened with old rank system but now maps with a lot of finishes takes a lot of time (compared to one with low finishes) to load on ddnet.tw, at least for me
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makes more sense
15:57
its balance the ranking
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for hard and easy
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since hard maps have few finishes it will have more rank points
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Lagar
btw idk if this happened with old rank system but now maps with a lot of finishes takes a lot of time (compared to one with low finishes) to load on ddnet.tw, at least for me
yes, was that way before too. maybe server is a bit more overloaded now
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and the more finishes it gets the fewer the rank points you will get
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i dont think that makes sense
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wdym
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why would a popular map give less rank points?
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wait is there a limit to the rank points
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the issue here is that the bonus points may be too big on unpopular or difficult maps with not many finishes
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Ryozuki
the issue here is that the bonus points may be too big on unpopular or difficult maps with not many finishes
base it on points
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so i think the best way is making it relative to the difference in time in the existing top10 ranks
16:01
this is clearly unfair
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only 1 more point
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xd
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@Rockus hover over the time
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i think we doesnt display sub units
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.60 and .74
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Seems fair to me
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ye he still faster
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what if you consider
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the fastest possible time on the map to be 3:48.58 (edited)
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14 ms is a lot then
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thats not possible to calculate thus i think pointless
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ye, unfortunately
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We'd need someone to calibrate that manually for each map, not feasible
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the bonus points should be relative to the distance between top times
16:02
i think thats how us olve this
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solve
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@deen does it currently give u points more than once for the same map if u have 2 top ranks?
16:04
this looks like sql nightmare
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thank god im not a data analyst or whathever xdd
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what about this rank? can't someone manipulate it for that guy to get a lot of points
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for example, if he finishes the map in 10 hours
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as 2nd
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how many points will he get?
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i dont think many but i may be wrong
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maybe a lot
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xd
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Ryozuki
@deen does it currently give u points more than once for the same map if u have 2 top ranks?
oops, right 😄
16:07
didn't think about that
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easy to fix though
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Damn the top 5 in ranked points are splitt apart by 20k
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And teamrank top by more then 10k
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Cool
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@Stepfunn who
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btw what does "tenth best time" mean
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the time of player on rank 10
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I have reverted it back to the old rank / team rank points calculation
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ᶰ°Konͧsti 2021-12-22 16:24:21Z
And i am noby
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@deen btw if i speedrun a map with a friend ill get mostly under top 100, why not give points under 100
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rank points are hard to get cause u can only get it if youre on top 10, so if we want small ranks to get rank points too why not make top 10 to top100 or something
16:31
seems easier than changing the calculating method thing
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doesn't fulfill all the other shortcomings of the old rank points approach
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wdym
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deen
Seems fair to me
honestly i think there should be a minimum gap
16:33
between each rank
16:33
basically grinding for that rank 1 on this specific map is kinda meaningless if they're going for teamrank points (edited)
16:33
theyd be playing X hours a map to gain 1 teamrank point
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which kinda ruins the battle for close ranks 1 (didn't think about that case before) (edited)
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yeah, but I don't want to complicate the calculation further
16:37
so better to go back to the old one I think
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ye im trying to think of a way to make it fair but it would be unrealistic for a player to understand it
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easily
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:/
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rank points sucks, its hard to get, and people will eventually steal it from you even if u manage to get one
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thats the point of rank points
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ye it sucks
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Heneral Luna
rank points sucks, its hard to get, and people will eventually steal it from you even if u manage to get one
then steal them back
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snail
then steal them back
i bet people spend hours just to get to rank, then some random veteran dude will steal it back from you like it was nothing
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fucking veterans
16:45
tho thats just the competitive part of it
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ye that part sucks
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Any competitive thing sucks with ur logic because u can lose to someone else
16:51
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ye losing sucks
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it's no longer competitive if people cheat
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deen
so better to go back to the old one I think
Not sure if the old point system is better tho. Both have cons and pros. It is probably that wr wanna go back to the old system cause we are used to it. Isn't it always like that?
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you can take ano or spooky as an example, the majority of team ranks are most likely from oldschool map skips
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ye i bet there are people who used an unknown skipped for rank 1 but decided not to tell it to everyone in fear of there rank getting stolen
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ddnet 2.0 when
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f3 2
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Heneral Luna
ye i bet there are people who used an unknown skipped for rank 1 but decided not to tell it to everyone in fear of there rank getting stolen
Get brain and find that skip on ur own
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everyone can do skips just have patience greenthing
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Instead of crying that there someone who skipped (if its not very huge skip ofcourse)
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Kicker
Get brain and find that skip on ur own
10/10 they did some insane skip that normal people cant do so no.. idk anymore i go watch youtube or something
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Snail already tould u
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Just need 200 IQ greenthing
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Heneral Luna
10/10 they did some insane skip that normal people cant do so no.. idk anymore i go watch youtube or something
everyone is normal we are no robots except 😏
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Kicker
Instead of crying that there someone who skipped (if its not very huge skip ofcourse)
tbh i dont really care about skips, ranking just sucks because only few people can actually farm it (all the things i wrote are all my opinion btw)
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lets wait another year and all leaderboards will fill up with players from asia (edited)
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paradise
Just need 200 IQ greenthing
Tw legend
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murpi
lets wait another year and all leaderboards will fill up with players from asia (edited)
you guys been up there for so long its time for asiagreenthing
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3OLOTOE_RBLOKO 2021-12-22 17:05:05Z
who have alive fng discord?
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Heneral Luna
tbh i dont really care about skips, ranking just sucks because only few people can actually farm it (all the things i wrote are all my opinion btw)
but what if u became one of these few people
17:08
wouldnt it suddenly become fun to battle for it?
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Heneral Luna
tbh i dont really care about skips, ranking just sucks because only few people can actually farm it (all the things i wrote are all my opinion btw)
just play and get good
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Give me a decade ill beat yo assess
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that's the point of the game
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@Kicker uroboros
17:20
troll
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wtf is happening tee_thinking
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bruuh there are these 4 players named soldier 1, 2, 3, 4 and they work as a team to freeze players😂😂
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jankos
wtf is happening tee_thinking
1984
18:12
literally
18:12
perhaps skill issues
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What is DDRock?
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basically community servers
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Is there any way to hide the chat or reduce the size of it?
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ᶰ°Konͧsti 2021-12-22 18:31:51Z
hello little nobies feelsgoodman
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perks
Is there any way to hide the chat or reduce the size of it?
ᶰ°Konͧsti 2021-12-22 18:32:23Z
in f1 cl_show_chat 0
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afksti
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cola-cola
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lovely
what 2
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you can still hook him
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im waitin for new player
18:55
his name is new player
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whats the hardest novice map in yalls opinion
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Kindergarten
19:00
i was thinkin it had to be planet venus
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but kindergarten is faily as fuvk and long
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Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance 2021-12-22 19:04:06Z
I'd say some of the skillz maps or careless
19:05
And there was also a faily 5* which I don't remember the name of too, it had kill tiles at the noobfilter and just a lof of faily parts
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definitely not careless imo
19:05
but skillz maybe
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skillz maps are ez, they're just annoying
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@louis any thoughts
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has dd in ddrace a meaning?
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c7910m
has dd in ddrace a meaning?
😳
19:22
di jk its dummy drag (edited)
19:22
i have 1000 hours on de ddnet client but i never asked myself what dd stands for
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and now a friend asked me...
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the.noyb
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and i was like this..xD
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the DD in DDRace stands for Dummy Drag
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mbvxoxo
@louis any thoughts
Budget Jason Luo 2021-12-22 19:32:51Z
Sunny side up
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What problems were the new rank/teamrank system supposed to be solving?
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I believe its to give small ranks(?) Points too
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one of them is so that theres an incentive to improve even if it doesnt get you to a higher rank and also points cutting off after rank 10 is pretty harsh cut off and few people will ever have those points at all
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@Budget Jason Luo 📈
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tela
What problems were the new rank/teamrank system supposed to be solving?
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perfect thanks
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perrodecerro
i think this new system is a consolation prize for those who can't even join the top 10, imo rankpoints will lose importance with this xD
,
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louis
man i wish thwre was a solo/dummy category
its giving
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perrodecerro
,
Colo-Colo:
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fuck
21:35
@cheeser0613 u didn't saw
21:35
?
21:37
still typing?
21:38
you are writing the whole bible?
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the lorem ipsum
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you're being bamboozled
21:40
it's a cat taking a nap on cheesers keyboard
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cheeser0613 está escribiendo...
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murpi
you're being bamboozled
that's word is racist in france
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greenthing
21:41
cheeser0613 est en train d'écrire...
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David*°Villa 2021-12-22 21:43:12Z
Ok that's kinda funny. Getting my Popcorn 😂
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inb4 its a discord bug
21:44
one time in another server someone was listed as typing for many hours straight but it was just discord glitching out
21:45
ok but this one is on and off so its not discord bug
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my suggestion to new rank system for this new system there have some problem on it the main and what you guys arguing rn is player can earn lot of rank point even they didnt pay a lot on speedrunning from a not competitve map like oldschool type, but you cant just nerf it because it also need to consider those real hard n not gay map like brutal5 or insane the reason this kind of problem appear is because the calculation rn cant tell how competitive the map is, so i have a suggest on this add "average pass of the current map difficulty" and "how many tee pass on this map" as the factor, by this the calculation can know how competitive the map is and give more weight on that map for example luminati and jumanji, both mode5 map but you can tell luminati is more compatitive from the finish disadvantage: 1. only solve the problem for real hard map (high star map), cant solve most of the oldschool map 2. if there is a map that only 1 man can pass it, he can cheat the rank
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@cheeser0613 u didn't saw
i do
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David*°Villa 2021-12-22 21:48:25Z
Sad, I put my bet on typing the whole bible feelsbadman
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xd
21:49
my suggestion might be wrong also, only for refer
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@ds273 it was not 🙂
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i forget to mention that my suggestion only work if and only if the difficulty giving (star) is totaly balance for other map
21:53
@deen please do have a look when youre free
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i don't want to complicate the calculation even further
21:56
and those measures can also be gamed, someone could just finish a map 1000 times with different names and suddenly it seems more competitive and they get more rank points
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and those measures can also be gamed, someone could just finish a map 1000 times with different names and suddenly it seems more competitive and they get more rank points
but those 1000run need to be slower then his normal run + if those 1000run need to be benefit for his rank, it need to be slow enough because of the median time
22:12
literally like normal computer try to decode hashed value
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wtf just was that, did i discover a new mechanic?
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reverse speedfly
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ᶰ°Konͧsti 2021-12-22 22:25:24Z
i am @murpi ddsheep
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People have used it to skip kill tiles, old mechanic
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i honestly never saw that
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People have used it to skip kill tiles, old mechanic
ᶰ°Konͧsti 2021-12-22 22:26:22Z
no proof
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ᶰ°Konͧsti
i am @murpi ddsheep
when start playing ddrace again?
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murpi
when start playing ddrace again?
ᶰ°Konͧsti 2021-12-22 22:28:31Z
christmas business is super stressfull i barely get time pepe
22:28
hopefully from february on again
22:29
im playing @noby fng every day to calm down feelsamazingman
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im playing @noby fng every day to calm down feelsamazingman
afking every day
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