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@Skeith

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real image

@Rockus

shut up noob

03:07

speak to @Akari

wat

nice death threats against zombs

Bomju

how to write private message on chat ?

/w :name: (edited)

thanks

still dont send ur card number there since its not encrypted

08:05

Ryozuki

still dont send ur card number there since its not encrypted

fuck

08:06

why didnt you tell me that before

08:06

NOOOOO

@Skeith u can change my name in discord?

to what

to Lain?

09:50

with a question mark

Skeith

to what

can u change my name to "skeith big nerd" (edited)

kekw

ahahahshh

NOOO

09:51

XD

@Skeith can u change my name to noby

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10:06

@Skeith or bony at least

f3

10:07

he has real noby pfp

its not possible for a user to change nick?

no

10:24

They can if they request, like above

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Skeith

They can if they request, like above

wheres my change then

Souly

@Skeith can u change my name to noby

Trouly maybe you are not noby enough to have that name ^^ troll

call me Pepegen then pepekek

pepegen hu

12:24

^me in fng

@Meekrioz its actually me when

12:44

when the

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reported

Souly

when the

truth is found

'corneum

@deen about the rankpoints: i think your approach is an improvement. but i would like it more if you use the % of players that was implemented some time ago. so instead of getting rankpoints only for top10 in placement it should be top10 in %.

16:27

but i proposed this already and people didnt like that idea

your approach seems to exacerbate difference between top ranks which in my opinion should be the opposite

16:48

However, this looks better for other people who are not in top5

true. maybe the top10 can get extra points

16:48

so its 2 systems kind of

maybe capping r1 to 100 points always?

16:54

then only the difference from r1 matters

16:54

and people who have very close time will have proportionnally as many points

Then improving your rank 1 doesn't help your own rank points, only worsens others' (as an answer to "maybe capping r1 to 100 points always?") (edited)

which is similar for the ladder

16:54

doesnt change order

16:54

only puts you further in front

i dont like that a time improvements is supposed to give points even if you dont rank up

i think that is what trackmania is using

Im 'corneum

i dont like that a time improvements is supposed to give points even if you dont rank up

But that's intentional. If we have some super pro that has a 1 hour lead over everyone else, I want the ones behind to still have a chance to climb up by a few points at least

What for? If there would be more pros trying hard speedrunning that they wouldn't be in any top at all

hm i dont understand it. if he has a big lead then he deserves it. its a bit too complicated for me

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capping sounds better imo, as if you have 1 hour lead, then you get 100 pts, but 2nd one will get only say 40 pts

16:58

but if r1 has 1 second lead, then first gets 100 pts, but second one gets 99 pts

ah so you want to take actual time difference into account and not only rank placement?

I just added an example with Springlobe 3 where have a 1 hour lead

16:59

yes, time difference counts with the new approach

maybe also a factor taking team size?

16:59

like team size/avg team siez

oh.. now i think i get it but then its like that turtle vs rabbit race where you can get closer and closer to rank but never overtake

17:00

like if you do 100 times rank2 but rank1 guy did it first try.

Everyone speedrun Springhole 3 now

good

"If a top player finishes multiple times in the top 10, they hurt their main ranks points." how is that good? or am i understanding it wrong?

I should have clarified, it's about finishing with fake names in top 10, which some do to fill it up and move others down to lower ranks

Ah to prevent rank spamming

I like it, this system actually rewards speedrunning

if someone finds a rly good skip it will give them much more points and lessens other pts?

yes

17:21

from what i understand

17:23

im thinking about should they take any action on the map that able to skip the whole map

17:25

for example yoko2.1 and to the moon

to the moon poggers

@deen isn't it (technically) possible for some organized crime group to spam really bad times on a hard map with relatively few finishes to bring down the median enough to take away some points from other people?

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BLOCKER

yes

17:42

the new way can still be gamed

17:43

otherwise we need to manually determine the lambda and reasonable time for each map

just ignore like 80% of the ranks for that

That's what the median is good for, it's pretty stable, not so easy to manipulate

you would need people as dedicated to making slow runs as there are people dedicated to making fast runs right?

would a startskipper get like 10000 points for as long as they had the rank

17:55

oh maybe theres a limit i didnt look at the formula

btw for this to be fair. i want public rank 1 demos troll

(only 2 weeks after the rank was made)

also looks like t0 skipped ranks would get buffed

yes but t0 rank1 are pretty hard to do

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17:57

+ i wanna see more of them

idk u just need 10 ppl who sit and do 5 hooks each

but its hard to set up

17:58

and think it through

you're going to update team rank points?

also people could come and block

ArE YoU GoInG To ReMOve DuMmy FRom RaNk PoiNts ??!

please plant

17:59

don't speak

17:59

bind abuser

17:59

+ you're bad at the game

17:59

@deen it's time to think about plant's dummy abuse ranks

louis

would a startskipper get like 10000 points for as long as they had the rank

Good point, yes they would. But we should fix that quickly anyway

18:00

and if a player legitimately can finish a map in 0.2 s that takes others 20 minutes, then they are so pro that they deserve millions of points

man i might actually start paying attention to my rankpoints)) (edited)

in what i'm abusing ranks

18:02

coradax had 4091384091384 R1 with his new fly tech

he said ure abusing dummy

@Plant please continue to be shy YEP

18:03

18:03

sorry for killing chat (edited)

yep

i thought u used macros

...

18:03

yep

hes using chromosomes

did much get deleted?

an admin gave me a macro YEP

Im 'corneum

man i might actually start paying attention to my rankpoints)) (edited)

same

18:05

@deen any plan to make some rank category that only counts solo/dummy maps

18:06

because theyre similar modes but get thrown into the rankpoints category

not really, just watch both categories

deen

and if a player legitimately can finish a map in 0.2 s that takes others 20 minutes, then they are so pro that they deserve millions of points

No longer possible

we also don't group novice+moderate+brutal, they are also similar modes

deen

and if a player legitimately can finish a map in 0.2 s that takes others 20 minutes, then they are so pro that they deserve millions of points

luna ptsd

key word is "legitimately"

xd

how would these points look like on my 0input map

18:08

"disabled" by im corneum on fun

Kind of depends on how I implement it

18:09

probably everyone gets 100 points

does fun give rankpoints?

no, it's excluded

aaw

so the map that able to skip the whole map is fully ok on this new calculation？

when remove startline skip fix so i can be champion with 100k points YEPNICE

(edited)

cheeser0613

so the map that able to skip the whole map is fully ok on this new calculation？

which?

to the moon and yoko2.1

deen

we also don't group novice+moderate+brutal, they are also similar modes

id argue that solo and dummy ranks are underrepresented on a profile as they are put into rankpoints along with normal teamranks and t0 ranks

18:12

but they are the ranks that require a lot of skill

we'd need to wipe all ranks on to the moon if we upload a fix

map is better with skip imo

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@Ryozuki shit mapper

i would NEVER have a skip in my maps))

Im 'corneum

i would NEVER have a skip in my maps))

lucky i stopped early

better

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i think this new system is a consolation prize for those who can't even join the top 10, imo rankpoints will lose importance with this xD

what

18:32

it gives more points to the better players

perrodecerro

i think this new system is a consolation prize for those who can't even join the top 10, imo rankpoints will lose importance with this xD

joining top10 is not always the same difficulty.

importance of this new calculation is for motivation of speedrun (edited)

man i wish thwre was a solo/dummy category

18:34

i would grind so much more

prerrodecerro gatekepper troll

its rly nice that even on rank 1 u get an incentive to improve the run

18:56

point-wise

18:56

@louis well there kinda is https://ddnet.tw/ranks/solo/ https://ddnet.tw/ranks/dummy/ (edited)

18:56

its just not highlighted

ah true

@deen would it be possible to run a simulation of the current top 10s with old and "new" systems?

18:58

just to see how it would change the current rankings

snail

just to see how it would change the current rankings

there are 3 examples on ddnet.tw

on specific maps yes

19:00

thats not what im asking justatest

ah on all maps

19:01

oof :P

ye

19:01

id be curious to see if it creates huge gaps

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snail

@louis well there kinda is https://ddnet.tw/ranks/solo/ https://ddnet.tw/ranks/dummy/ (edited)

How do i get there? o.O

I would appreciate the new rank system =)

new system

rework the whole competition, make the biggest revolution kek

storage all points and add accounts

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points(rank) = floor(100 * e ^ (-50 * (rank - top) / (median - top)))

19:54

it should be time rather than rank

19:54

and -50 should be -λ?

19:55

also maybe it should be multiplied by 25 instead of 100 to match current rankpoints

Kicker

storage all points and add accounts

The last one is where we are stuck at the moment, two sided situation in this game

20:16

and nobody knows or will do a solution for this feelscryman

snail

@deen would it be possible to run a simulation of the current top 10s with old and "new" systems?

well, that would probably be easiest by just implementing the new system and running it once

plsplsplslol

and -50 should be -λ?

Thanks, fixed (edited)

plsplsplslol

also maybe it should be multiplied by 25 instead of 100 to match current rankpoints

That's intentional to increase it to 100 so that more people can reach 1 point

ok

cheeser0613

Click to see attachment 🖼️

see that top 7, i think he is a god

Kicker

storage all points and add accounts

f333

DDnet do bigdata