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Between 2021-11-18 00:00:00Z and 2021-11-19 00:00:00Z

Going to apple for the 5th time to get the keyboard on this macbook replaced

11:16

Engineering marvel

don't get apple products

Dont get products

ReiTW

don't get apple products

I would never spend my own money on a macbook. This one was free

11:50

The only apple product I paid for was an ipad, which I'm extremely happy with. If only other manufacturers could do good tablets

damn found that gitlab supports mermaid but github still doesn't

11:50

what a shame to use github nowadays

11:50

they doesn't seem to care at all

11:51

about all the cool functionalities that can be implemented

Learath2

The only apple product I paid for was an ipad, which I'm extremely happy with. If only other manufacturers could do good tablets

Samsung Galaxy Tab S7 pretty good

12:29

I'm contemplating getting one on Black Friday or not.

12:31

But sounds like you are tied into Apple ecosystem.

I use an android phone

12:35

The only things I have that are apple are my laptop and tablet. Laptop was free and the tablet was literally the only good tablet on the market when I got it :P

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SPYRES

I'm contemplating getting one on Black Friday or not.

wait

13:03

the s8 is coming soon

Learath2

The only things I have that are apple are my laptop and tablet. Laptop was free and the tablet was literally the only good tablet on the market when I got it :P

well now they're in competition with samsung

13:03

samsung does awesome products nowadays

Eh they are not very different to apple when it comes to business practices sadly

13:05

My flagship samsung phones die just as quick as my friend iphones. It should be unacceptable for a phone to become basically unusable in 3 years

13:06

I have a gameboy advance that works exactly as advertised 17 years after buying it. I have a thinkpad laptop that is still performing the same as when I got it 7 years ago except for the battery

13:07

They literally just dont build them like they used to ;(

sadly that's pretty much made it for

13:07

as you'll just buy the new phone, for them it's more money

my nexus phone still runs

Yep, they literally want it to die. Planned obsolescence is the saddest thing ever

well some companies doesn't do it

unfortunately, google stopped providing security updates for the drivers

I mean my Galaxy S9 also still "runs". It hangs all the time even after a complete reset it's not back to how I got it

it'd be nice if it ran an unmodified linux kernel

13:09

I'm using it as my main phone, it doesn't hang all the time

did anyone try to debian phone

13:09

forgot the name

apps have become more memory-hungry though, leading to more app kills by android

13:09

but I can't really blame that on the phone manufacturer

Mobian I think it was

heinrich5991

apps have become more memory-hungry though, leading to more app kills by android

I absolutely hate this. The apps are massive and they use soooo much memory. Cheap memory was a mistake

I consider getting this when it gets released: https://www.microsoft.com/de-de/surface/business/surface-laptop-studio

Leistungsstarker Business-Laptop Surface Laptop Studio

Führen Sie Renderings aus, bewältigen Sie komplexe Daten und skizzieren Sie atemberaubende 3D-Visualisierungen mit dem leistungsstarken Business-Laptop Surface Laptop Studio. Flexibles Arbeiten in einer neuen Dimension.

ReiTW

Mobian I think it was

Nope, usually the problems with things like these, e.g. the fairphone or pinephone is that they usually just perform worse and have very meh hardware

true, but at least they're easier to maintain

The camera in my like 3 year old S9 is still better than the fairphone that came out this year

like before you just had to remove the back of your phone & the battery

13:12

anyone could change it easily

ReiTW

like before you just had to remove the back of your phone & the battery

I would pay a huge premium for this

13:12

Gimme a removable battery, headphone jack and a camera that isnt 144p and I'll pay like a bucketload of money

13:12

I'll easily pay 850€

u can make a DDPhone

fairphone's camera surely isn't 144p (I guess it was an exaggeration?)

heinrich5991

fairphone's camera surely isn't 144p (I guess it was an exaggeration?)

Yep, just exaggerated

well for sure if you search for image quality you'll have to go over leaders

13:13

even now apple isn't the leader for photography anymore

Make it a long term support phone with 6 years of performance guarantee and I'll pay 1k€

13:14

I already have to pay about that much to replace my phone every time samsung pushes an update to fuck me over

Learath2

Gimme a removable battery, headphone jack and a camera that isnt 144p and I'll pay like a bucketload of money

There you go, 128x112 pixels 2bit goodness

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wtf lmao

deen

There you go, 128x112 pixels 2bit goodness

Just needs a baseband module and I'm in

what's cool is that, it was not a long time ago, we went pretty far, in term of evolution

Technology got better at an exponential rate

but still companies has to keep the best

13:16

like nvidia for sure already has the next generation of graphic card after the 4000 series

13:16

they just keep that, for competition also

Let's make a clone of play store but with a catch. If your app takes up more than 200M you get whipped. If your app leaks memory you get hit with a bat

corporal punishment yay

ReiTW

like nvidia for sure already has the next generation of graphic card after the 4000 series

As far as I'm aware chip development does indeed have huge lead times, like multiple years at this point. So all companies doing their own chip design are indeed holding back

check out fdroid. it has some quality apps

@heinrich5991 isn't fdroid the shitty store full of injected apks?

I don't know what "injected apks" are

infected*

fdroid is an app store for open-source android applications

13:18

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-Droid

F-Droid is a software repository for Android, serving a similar function to the Google Play store. The main repository, hosted by the project, contains only free and open source apps. Applications can be browsed, downloaded and installed from the F-Droid website or client app without the need to register for an account. "Anti-Features" such as a...

ah no it was aptoide I think, you could install something bad on your phone

Installing apks from unknown sources can always be dangerous

fdroid isn't exactly unknown

that's why aptoide had a bad reputation

it even has a wikipedia page

but people were still using it as some apps were removed from the play store

I wasn't saying fdroid, just in general

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

75ad77b Add discord server logo so we don't lose it all the time - def-

i got an manjaro phone (@ReiTW)

did anyone try to debian phone

13:56

running on the old pine non pro hardware and its very meh coming from iPhone XS

13:56

i mostly rq using it before it manages to connect to the wifi

[ddnet/zcatch] Issue opened: #1 You will join the game/the spectators when '(invalid)' dies.

Okay, so I found a funny bug in zCatch DDNet server.

What happened: A player killed me (or we both killed each other) and he left instantly.

The bug: now I'm stuck on view. If I try to join the game, the server says to me "You will join the game/the spectators when '(invalid)' dies.". I can access the spectator menu but I cannot zoom in or out as I should be able to. On top of that, when there's only one player left, the usual message "Too few players to end the round. All players...

14:22

[ddnet/zcatch] New branch created: pr-invalid

14:22

[zcatch:pr-invalid] 1 new commit

ccd9b39 Allow rejoin when player left (fixes #1) - Dennis Felsing

14:22

[ddnet/zcatch] Pull request opened: #2 Allow rejoin when player left (fixes #1)

imo ddnet/zcatch should be rewritten on ddnet code base so it has a 0.6/0.7 bridge. Poor zcatch community is very divided

go ahead

yea maybe actually ill do after my ddnet-gctf is polished

14:31

can i then hand of maintainance to ddnet? :D

https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/11/18/german-state-planning-to-switch-25000-pcs-to-libreoffice/

German state planning to switch 25,000 PCs to LibreOffice - The Doc...

The north-German state of Schleswig-Holstein plans to switch to open source software, including LibreOffice, in its administration and schools. In doing so, the state wants to reduce its dependence on proprietary software, and eventually end it altogether. By the end of 2026, Microsoft Office is to be replaced by LibreOffice on all 25,000 comput...

14:32

Poggers

chillerdragon

can i then hand of maintainance to ddnet? :D

I guess...

Poggers

Libreoffice is a little sad :/

14:41

It always worked so badly for me

more users means more motivation for devs

14:47

but ye agree libre office is shit but then which office software isnt shit? :D

MS Office works fairly well ngl

14:48

It is the only proprietary piece of software that I think is still leagues above their open source alternatives

14:49

And Adobe Premiere + After Effects. Open source video editing is like non-existant

Just make everyone use pandoc + latex, problem solved

14:51

pandoc can even generate word documents and powerpoint presentations directly

+1

Lol, alienating 99% of the current workforce

I made people at my job use it. They are just filling in normal text, then the server auto-translates it with panoc and latex and they get a presentation back

14:51

easier than powerpoint templates etc

Ah that's a cute idea but isn't your job a tech job, with tech people using this solution? :D

Yes, only used by C++ developers

why do c++ devs create slides?

14:57

vim > word

14:58

heck i would even prefer notepad visual studio or emacs over word or libreoffice

Because developers also occasionally need to communicate?

thats what project managers are for?

In this case it was to create presentations of root cause analyses

hm

good luck making the pm understand and explain the race condition you had in your code and how you'll prevent similar bugs in the future

@deen: so when are you presenting your solution to the german goverment?

when they invite me

stop bully pros iv seen pros that know code -,-

15:00

#deenforpresident

we use onlyoffice integrated to nextcloud at work, it's basic and works fine

Even the fact that a race condition ever needs to be explained to a pm sounds insane to me lol

thats enough for us

What is he going to do with this information? :F

nothing, that's what I meant

fix the bug

Learath2

And Adobe Premiere + After Effects. Open source video editing is like non-existant

filmora with it's library is kinda insane nowadays

15:45

the only thing it misses out is vector image editing

15:46

And if you're not happy with it's after effects (or filmora's prizes), DaVinci Resolve 17 has one of the best color panels (edited)

Learath2

It always worked so badly for me

contribute to it to improve it

15:56

a thing you can't do with m$$

Learath2

And Adobe Premiere + After Effects. Open source video editing is like non-existant

but blender shows its possible to be in the industry

deen

Just make everyone use pandoc + latex, problem solved

latex best

15:57

normies can do their simple documents in markdown and render them in beautiful latex generated pdfs

15:57

with pandoc

Ryozuki

but blender shows its possible to be in the industry

Blender is indeed the best example of good open source software that can easily compete

16:01

Darktable is also great, if it had an ipad build I could finally get rid of lightroom

16:02

I could maybe do one myself actually

https://krita.org/en/

Krita is a professional FREE and open source painting program. It is made by artists that want to see affordable art tools for everyone.

Krita is for painting, not photo editing :P but it is indeed good

linux is also solid competitor to windows. I am sure azure uses linux servers :D

honestly gimp is underrated

Not quite as good as clip studio paint imo, but it works well

cuz ppl simply dont want to learn the software

also teeworlds and ddnet are the best games peroid

its like trying vim for 1 minute and saying it sucks cuz u dont know shit to do

omg i just called ddnet a game -,-

Gimp is also inferior to photoshop imo. They really should take a page out of blenders book and move to industry standard UX

gimps ux is fine

krita is going places

Blender became much more competitive when they stopped with the weird ass control scheme no 3d modeler ever was used to

its also rly sad saying x is inferior when you don't take into account that it's made by peoples free time, will and effort, and that you don't have to pay for it, plus the 4 stallman freedoms you have

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but ppl dont value that

16:04

stupid humanity

I mean, business wise it ain't profitable

I'm not allowed to say something is inferior if it's made by peoples free time?

Learath2

I'm not allowed to say something is inferior if it's made by peoples free time?

u are

16:05

but it triggers me

16:05

xd

16:05

considering what i said

I'm sorry but I won't sit here and pretend blender 2.3 was better than maya because it's open source and it's mean to the developers

ok maybe i made my point badly, you can say its inferior or whathever, but people usually never have a positive actitude towards these programs even by the fact nobody owes them anything

16:07

i suck at writing

I see. I do appreciate the work put in and that they provide a free alternative, but it won't make me rate the software any differently

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There are excellent open source programs out there right now that very easily even outclass their proprietary counterparts. e.g. OBS

time to visit r/StallmanWasRight/ and be sad

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feelsbadman

16:13

wonder why they will remove it

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monkalaugh

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Jawed Karim (Bengali: জাওয়েদ করিম; born October 28, 1979) is an American software engineer and Internet entrepreneur of Bangladeshi-German descent. He is a co-founder of YouTube and the first person to upload a video to the site.

16:15

hilarious

r/ABoringDystopia is also nice if you want to be annoyed

why remove dislikes when you could just have an option to hide them

16:23

or, if it's similar to what comments have with dislikes, then it ain't a good decision on their part

[ddnet/zcatch] Pull request closed: #2 Allow rejoin when player left (fixes #1)

16:31

[ddnet/zcatch] Issue closed: #1 You will join the game/the spectators when '(invalid)' dies.

16:31

[zcatch:zCatch] 2 new commits

ccd9b39 Allow rejoin when player left (fixes #1) - Dennis Felsing c1f733a Merge pull request #2 from ddnet/pr-invalid - def-

Learath2

And Adobe Premiere + After Effects. Open source video editing is like non-existant

very true

19:05

gl editing anything good with "alternatives" to vegas or ae

https://blog.kitware.com/cmake-3-22-0-available-for-download/

CMake 3.22.0 available for download - Kitware Blog

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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #4360 jao shooter causing lags in DDNet 15.6

so many people have strange laggs in my map jao shooter and it turns of that using ddnet DDNet 15.6.2 and higher causes game too lag . (video any server antiping on off same) using version DDNet 15.5.4 will not have laggs . ( thanks to @Cøke findet why it happens )

texnonik reported on Discord. @trml related to prediction changes?

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