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my game jumps to 144fps after like 10-20s. I can get back to 1000 by tabbing out-in. Bug?

05:14

latest version. These are the settings

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hello

@752947895 maybe SDL thinks that you are not actively in the game. Try cl_refresh_rate_inactive 0

i cant turn off chat notifications in editor right? :(

dont make maps in-game

You always have the oddest feature requests that I can't imagine anyone else ever using

just use /dnd chillerdragon

ah right

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gerdoe

12:33

@fokkonaut: when add /dnd in fddr

lmao

hm, why is dnd a server command anyway?

germany voting today monkalaugh

monkalaugh

I regret the day I installed mono on my server, what an absolute mess of a project

C#

12:35

it has hastag in the name it must be trending

@Learath2 ye it sucks hard

12:35

c# itself sucks

12:35

i cant install mods on linux for kerbal space program

Ryozuki

germany voting today monkalaugh

monkalaugh

I wonder who'll take the win, SPD was performing very well in the latest polls after the greens destroyed their lead

because mono has some bug

why dafaq u know ger politics?

is there any anti-europe political leader in germany that has chances?

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that would be hilarious

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cuz germany is the heart of europe right

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chillerdragon did u vote

watfak

?

Wat

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Politix

well chiller u should know german politics are kinda important for europe as a whole

i sok politics

I enjoy politics in general, I like the EU, Germany is like technically the EU, so it's natural I follow their politics

Politics sok

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Usually

i didnt vote yet

if you don't vote I'll bonk you, people not voting is the cancer of modern democracies

eh well

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sometimes there just isnt any good option

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lately i feel like that here

monkalaugh

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in germany they have proportional representation, there is always an option

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unless you are a nazi, nazi parties aren't allowed, so I can see there not being an option in that case

proportional ye, but for example catalonia is way more progressive minded than all other spain regions, and since we belong to spain at the end of the day we cant do shit

people who do not vote are apparently not interested in their future

https://twitter.com/TheFckngSameMa1

The Fckng Same Map Again (@TheFckngSameMa1)

Again & again & again &...

Tweets

120

Followers

5843

12:40

i love this twitter account

I didn't look into spanish politics much, but if you have proportional representation at the country scale, you absolutely can vote for more progressive candidates

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/parties

spanish politicians that say they are "leftist" (but i consider them far right) are against catalonia as is

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the thing is

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being anti-catalan brings lots of votes

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from spain

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so they are all anti catalan

Being pro-catalan is probably political suicide ngl, supporting a technically separatist movement is such an extremely dangerous move

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isnt it funny

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how catalonia

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is always different color

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in the election results

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but ultimately we cant change anything

Learath2

I wonder who'll take the win, SPD was performing very well in the latest polls after the greens destroyed their lead

nsdap

troll

(catalonia is top right)

we know ryo

well maybe u dont

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i dont know russia

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or ur country

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xd

Ryozuki

well maybe u dont

cataluns are right-top wing :trollq

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troll

admiralMC

okey polit jokes are too unfunny

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without troll emoji

The situation in spain seems very unworkable to me, I honestly don't know what should be done with these enclaves in different countries

@Learath2 spain should be more federalist and it would work more

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but they are focused on being rly centralized

You can notice the same trend in the UK with Scotland, in Turkey with the south-east (kurdish majority), in Italy (less) with the north and south.

Ryozuki

@Learath2 spain should be more federalist and it would work more

is spain a federation atm?

no

12:44

we have "autonomous communities"

that's the main problem then

but ultimately everything goes through madrid

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and the main gov

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we cant do major laws

it's pain in ass to move into federation from unitary country

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look at ukraine with their maidan

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also being federation means there can be some wars in country

Federations are just not popular, that's the issue. Even suggesting the notion in turkey lost erdogan 10%. In the UK just the possibility of an alliance with SNP lost Labour a lot of vote in worker towns

like chechnya in 90s russia

yeai just want independence

and also tatarstan

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but we outmoved them with our own constitution kekw

You want independence, but is it really feasible? Doesn't Catalonia generate a vast majority of the economic income for Spain?

we do and they treat us like shit xd

There is no way they will let you go, so I think the goal should be more to make federal structures more popular amongst the mainstream

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haha

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u cant change them from inside

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they collectively go againstu s

kill 'em

troll

any democracy wont help here

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they always using the excuse "lets vote for catalan independence but in all spain not just in catalonia"

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xdddd

Ryozuki

they always using the excuse "lets vote for catalan independence but in all spain not just in catalonia"

lol

12:49

just make your own polls

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like russia did with that land in urkaine

we did make one ilegal referendum and got beaten by police while going to vote

bruh

i was there

12:50

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Catalan_independence_referendum

2017 Catalan independence referendum

The Catalan independence referendum of 2017, also known by the numeronym 1-O (for "1 October") in Spanish media, was an independence referendum held on 1 October 2017 in the Spanish autonomous community of Catalonia, passed by the Parliament of Catalonia as the Law on the Referendum on Self-determination of Catalonia and called by the Generalita...

then im getting why cataluns have separatists thoughts

You most definitely don't have the gun power or the man power to get out. You don't have popular support from outside Spain creating pressure. The only way I can see it happen is changing peoples minds

well some people think russia may help us

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since russia wants to create havoc

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in europe

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xdd

they are wrong xd

@gerdoe doesnt putin like to meddle with europe

meddle?

You know what would have been great? Scotland leaving the UK and joining the EU on their own. That would set a nice precedent, maybe some global recognition for separatist movements

nice word never seen that one kekw

"create political instability in europe"

wai a second

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no

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there is no profit in making that shit

Learath2

You know what would have been great? Scotland leaving the UK and joining the EU on their own. That would set a nice precedent, maybe some global recognition for separatist movements

yeah all catalan pro indep support scotland obviously

gerdoe

there is no profit in making that shit

idk bro

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catalonia

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is in a position

gerdoe

there is no profit in making that shit

Ehe? There is enormous profit in that shit. Increase tensions inside the EU so the eastern block aligns/trades with you

between spain and france

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a rly good point for geopolitics

Learath2

Ehe? There is enormous profit in that shit. Increase tensions inside the EU so the eastern block aligns/trades with you

they are anyway working with russia more

Having satellite states is immensely profitable

Learath2

You most definitely don't have the gun power or the man power to get out. You don't have popular support from outside Spain creating pressure. The only way I can see it happen is changing peoples minds

this cant happen, nobody in Europe would support that

but since we have no good prom just interrupting in eu will make nothing

prom?

France cant support this as its equivalent to shooting itself with its own independentist (Corsica & Brittain)

Ryozuki

prom?

*industry

Ryozuki: what about going ETA

?

Chairn

this cant happen, nobody in Europe would support that

I don't mean convincing the political elite, they have their own goals. Convincing the people is what is important. With time anything is possible

sometimes i have thougths about some bombs would do good monkalaugh

monkalaugh

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but thats after getting beaten by police just for going to vote

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anyone would hate them

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u rly dont know them

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they rly like beating catalans

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they send police all from spain

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give them some cocaine

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let the rain start

A federal europe would be such a good idea, but the political elite don't want to give up power, and their huge propaganda arms spend millions on convincing the public that federation = bad

so is beating a national sport?

and ppl from their cities yell

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"a por ellos oeoeoe!!

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aka "go for them!!!"

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as if they were going into a war

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hilarious

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when the police leave their own cities

s/hilarious/awful ?

to come to catalonia

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yea

maybe Catalonia is their traning camp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM_e_RvXsik

El Nacional.cat

"A por ellos", per acomiadar la Guàrdia Civil que marxa a Catalunya

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proof

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"a por ellos"

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when police was leaving their own city

Learath2

A federal europe would be such a good idea, but the political elite don't want to give up power, and their huge propaganda arms spend millions on convincing the public that federation = bad

imagine federation for small countries kekw (without ethic small provinces in it tho)

to come to catalonia

Chinese do the same too, they use police forces from different parts of the country to suppress riots in others. It's a very very efficient strategy

USA do the same

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they use white people to beat black people

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very efficient

Chairn

they use white people to beat black people

off-topic kekw

yeah its better to bring brain washed ppl by local media to the place where they tell u they do all bad things

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that's how politics work ryo

gerdoe

imagine federation for small countries kekw (without ethic small provinces in it tho)

I love hierarchical structures. Federated countries, in federated blocks, in a greater federal europe would be amazing imo

isnt germany federated?

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atleast thats my impression

only if ppl will be good tho

people don't want to loose their national identity

or it will become in corruption with russia sizes

they like symbols, and federation remove symbols to a newer upper being

justatest

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that they don't know and fear

Chairn

people don't want to loose their national identity

but making federations means to make new states with national identity

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depended on territory

what identity would you make for Europe?

murica is a federation monkalaugh

monkalaugh

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and they still feel pretty murican

I mean they can keep their own identities? The US states are a great example at how federations can work, it's not perfect by any means but it works enough that some states can even ban abortions

Chairn

what identity would you make for Europe?

do you think tatars are russians or tatars are tatars?

because they weren't anything else before

i prefer to being called european than spaniard

or bashkirs are russians?

States got to keep a lot of power while being part of a federated structure

is there any multi lingual federation in the world?

gerdoe

do you think tatars are russians or tatars are tatars?

tatars?

A more integrated example is the UK, Scots still have their own identity, so do the Irish. I don't really get where the fear of losing your identity comes from

Learath2

A more integrated example is the UK, Scots still have their own identity, so do the Irish. I don't really get where the fear of losing your identity comes from

catalans have their identity too, but its becoming less, the way to lessen it is to send more ppl from the mainland there , eventually ppl dont learn the local language, culture, etc

Chairn

is there any multi lingual federation in the world?

I'm not familiar with any. Maaaybe if you stretch the federation definition a lot, China could be considered one with the Hong-Kong autonomous region speaking a different flavour of Chinese

Chairn

what identity would you make for Europe?

making federation -> group territory with national identity of ppl that live here

Chairn

is there any multi lingual federation in the world?

canada

Ah, maybe Switzerland?

Learath2

Ah, maybe Switzerland?

They speak 3 languages, and they are extremely federated

Chairn

is there any multi lingual federation in the world?

and if you are not talking about oficial languages then russia counts too

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official*

Learath2

I'm not familiar with any. Maaaybe if you stretch the federation definition a lot, China could be considered one with the Hong-Kong autonomous region speaking a different flavour of Chinese

china is unitary country

@gerdoe what are the other languages spoken in Russia?

i will just drop list here

gerdoe

china is unitary country

I did say stretch the federation definition a lot

monkalaugh

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wait a minute

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https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%AF%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8#%D0%A7%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%BE_%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA%D0%B0

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seems like this

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can't find normal formatted list

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oh

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152 langs

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http://jazykirf.iling-ran.ru/list_concept2020.shtml

Oh wow, are these more like variations on Russian or proper different languages?

they're all part of different branches of langs

Learath2

Oh wow, are these more like variations on Russian or proper different languages?

slavic languages as czech, bulgarian, ukrainian, belarusian, slovac, polish are variations of old-old slavic language

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and russian ^

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chillerdragon

@fokkonaut: when add /dnd in fddr

Never, just disable chat Clientside

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #4125 Error building on Mac

@Learath2 there is a new and shiny ORM for rust

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https://www.sea-ql.org/SeaORM/

An async & dynamic ORM for Rust

An async & dynamic ORM for Rust

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also its async (diesel is not)

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Ryozuki

@Learath2 there is a new and shiny ORM for rust

poggers

relying on sqlx concerns me, but I'll take a look

@Learath2 i dont think sqlx is that bad

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idk what problems u had

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but after using it for months its p good

it's not that bad, but it might inherit the problems I've been having with it

what problems

it works fairly well as long as you only support a single db and don't rely on the offline mode

ye i knew it

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i never used Any i just chose a db like 99% of cases

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u always do weird stuff

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monkalaugh

Why is wanting to support any db a bad thing?

its hard

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and most of the time you want to choose 1 db

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and optimize ur queries for it

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imho

That would be the killer feature for me, ngl the compile-time verification doesn't excite me very much

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At that point i'd rather just use a library to support the singular db choice I have

thats not useful at al

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cuz with sqlx u already feature gate the db drivers

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so u are only compiling what u want

Why is it not useful though? It's as useful as sqlx minus the compile time verification stuff

well less useful

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i actually kinda like the compile verified queries

What is the reason we cant reconnect unlimited times to a server and we get timed out?

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...i mean if the server is full

you are stressing network with your reconnects

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afair there was topic on teeworlds.com where dune said to client modder to delete reconnect function

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because person can just crash server with it lmao

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could at least

cl_reconnect_full should be 5

The automatic reconnect we have in the client should be correctly backing off to make sure you don't get banned

it's 1 for me, I think it's from old configs or so

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