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Between 2021-09-16 00:00:00Z and 2021-09-17 00:00:00Z

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1ded3ab A Haunted Dungeon - ddnet-maps

yo timakro what exactly did you do now to not land in ms spam?

You're invited to talk on Matrix

You're invited to talk on Matrix

chillerdragon: Nothing ^^

You're invited to talk on Matrix

You're invited to talk on Matrix

hax

13:41

and it works?

I think I'm still landing in spam

13:42

Idk haven't tested it again

Hm, when you highlight eachother on matrix we get a link on discord which generates an annoying embed

https://github.com/Half-Shot/matrix-appservice-discord/issues/652

13:45

ah, see also https://github.com/Half-Shot/matrix-appservice-discord/issues/631

Discord reply support · Issue #631 · Half-Shot/matrix-appservice-di...

The bridge will need to account for Discord users replying to other messages. (no source message/sender will currently be shown)

13:46

I don't like the autogenerated pictures for issues from github

Too big, no?

they seem like they mostly take space, don't provide valuable information

Replies would actually be kinda tricky to do btw, proper replies would need the bot to keep track of a mapping between messages on discord and messages on matrix

13:48

It'd be an ever growing mapping that needs to be optimized for both directions

you can probably attach custom information to matrix messages

13:49

so you only™ need a mapping from matrix messages to discord copy IDs

13:49

yay, I halved the space requirements

heinrich5991

they seem like they mostly take space, don't provide valuable information

put the links in < >

13:49

https://github.com/Half-Shot/matrix-appservice-discord/issues/631

the header is okay (where they give the first few words of the issue)

heinrich5991

yay, I halved the space requirements

Sadly half of infinity is still infinity :P

I can only delete the whole embed, not just the image

ohh

heinrich5991

I can only delete the whole embed, not just the image

We could have a bot watching for github links, deleting the embed and generating a new one without the image :P

justatest

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@Learath2 having lunch, I realized that the mapping already needs to exist somehow

14:32

while*

14:33

message deletions are synchronized between discord and matrix

For simplicity lets say this would only work for new messages

14:33

Oh wait, you said it already exists for deletions?

14:34

I wonder how they do it

you could keep a mapping for recent messages

14:34

and use some API to correlate older ones

14:34

search for the same message content on the same day

Recent you could yeah, limiting the range seems to be the only viable solution. Searching for message content is ew

Why is the only implementation of GSL microsofts?

@Learath2 https://www.gnu.org/software/gsl/ ?

heh, you always end up with the wrong acronym, I meant Guidelines Support Library

xd

14:54

u always use too many acronyms imho

https://github.com/microsoft/GSL

GitHub - microsoft/GSL: Guidelines Support Library

Guidelines Support Library. Contribute to microsoft/GSL development by creating an account on GitHub.

14:54

I didn't elaborate on the acronym because we were talking about gsl like yesterday, assumed people would remember

hehe i got this entire search engine for me https://search.marginalia.nu/search?query=ddracenetwork

15:02

(its a search engine that favors quantity of text)

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #4171 Add basic selection support for ui ex edit boxes

This changes the hotkey for "exclude" to CTRL + SHIFT + X, because else it collides with Cutting strings out of a selection This is defs not perfect, it basically ignores keyboard keys that could also alter selection (e.g. shift + right) but i didnt want to break the IME stuff, bcs i don't understand it

Checklist

[x] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Writte...

Learath2

Why is the only implementation of GSL microsofts?

Why do you need multiple implementations, assuming the license is fine?

idk, just odd to me that no one wrote another one, there are alternatives to almost every library but this one

@Learath2 https://reviews.llvm.org/diffusion/L/browse/clang-tools-extra/trunk/clang-tidy/cppcoreguidelines/

16:46

clang-tidy does it

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Image attachment

16:47

https://clang.llvm.org/extra/clang-tidy/checks/list.html

clang-tidy suggests you use gsl stuff iirc, it doesn't implement gsl

what does implementing gsl even mean

16:48

the yes means it has fixes btw

16:48

idk what a library would do but it makes lot of sense for a linter to check guideliens

16:48

guidelines

16:48

never heard of a library doing it

16:49

maybe the weird one here is microsoft

gsl is a library aimed to help you implement the guidelines, it implements things like the template gsl::not_null so you can have things like void DeleteEntity(gsl::not_null<CEntity *> pEntity);

monkalaugh

this guideline should say "use rust" monkalaugh

monkalaugh

Image attachment

16:52

this must be some microsoft propaganda guidelines

16:53

monkalaugh

gsl has things like ownership btw, so you can give ownership of things using a no-cost wrapper around raw pointers

well it probs make sense there is only 1 rn, many companies already have their big codebases, small hobbyst dont need those guidelines for small projects

16:55

wanted to use GSL (Guideline Support Library) from the C++ Core Guidelines. And my conclusion is that this library is a big mess. Here's why.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/acspkq/guideline_support_library_what_a_mess/

r/cpp - Guideline Support Library: what a mess!

82 votes and 43 comments so far on Reddit

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monkalaugh

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@Learath2 https://github.com/gsl-lite/gsl-lite

GitHub - gsl-lite/gsl-lite: gsl-lite – A single-file header-only ve...

gsl-lite – A single-file header-only version of ISO C++ Guidelines Support Library (GSL) for C++98, C++11, and later - GitHub - gsl-lite/gsl-lite: gsl-lite – A single-file header-only version of IS...

Ryozuki

https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/acspkq/guideline_support_library_what_a_mess/

2 years ago tho

found one lol

gsl-lite is an implementation of the C++ Core Guidelines Support Library originally based on Microsoft GSL.

monkaS

I honestly expected gnu or the clang project to have written their own

Image attachment

16:57

xdd

16:57

i love reddit

Learath2

gsl is a library aimed to help you implement the guidelines, it implements things like the template gsl::not_null so you can have things like void DeleteEntity(gsl::not_null<CEntity *> pEntity);

Things like gsl lead to pretty ugly code though, like wtf is this signature

ye

Learath2

gsl is a library aimed to help you implement the guidelines, it implements things like the template gsl::not_null so you can have things like void DeleteEntity(gsl::not_null<CEntity *> pEntity);

yeah real mess

https://kotaku.com/please-stop-closing-forums-and-moving-people-to-discord-1847684851

Please Stop Closing Forums And Moving People To Discord

They are not the same thing, and will never be the same thing

17:15

lol

17:15

kinda relevant to ddnet? xD

17:16

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28549739

ClawsOnPaws

Please stop closing forums and moving people to Discord

he is right, but it's not like we get to decide what the common folk want to use

yea its really sad people without discord cant submit maps anymore :(

I want a website for submitting maps

revive ddnet.tw

Learath2

I want a website for submitting maps

do u rly want it

18:18

i always wanted to make a website for the map testing process

18:18

but making something when u dont know if it will be used is bad

18:18

monkalaugh

I really do want it

i really want it too!

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<3

18:24

i would submit maps there since i dont have discord

You should get discord

i think he is banned from discord

Ryozuki

but making something when u dont know if it will be used is bad

I’d take a rust or php backend and a vue or react frontend. Rust + Vue is what I was going to make it in if I got the time

ah idk vue

18:33

i know react

Ryozuki

ah idk vue

someone said that vue is angular + react

i think reactjs is better

18:46

tsx makes it so much better

18:46

i dont like typing v-on and stuff

18:46

also with hooks reactjs is rly enjoyable

18:48

rly makes js functional programming shine

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i propose a rust backend using axum for the http, postgresql as the database (idc if u want sqlx or diesel) and i guess reactjs frontend monkalaugh

monkalaugh

18:51

we can get it done fast with https://material-ui.com/ or we can do it more ourselves in that case i recommend tailwindcss

18:51

oh lol material updated their website today

18:51

they releases 5.0

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released*

Ryozuki

i propose a rust backend using axum for the http, postgresql as the database (idc if u want sqlx or diesel) and i guess reactjs frontend monkalaugh

monkalaugh

sqlx ofc xd

who doesnt love compile time checked queries monkalaugh

monkalaugh

@Ryozuki u like js?

i like typescript

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for frontend stuff

then write community skin database

isnt skins.tw essentially that?

19:11

they even have integration with ddnet client skins

but its not official

ah

19:12

i would even remake the ddnet.tw website but it probs would change deens workflow he is used too and its prob a hasle

mh k

19:13

do you think onfly zipped packages are too slow?

wdym

only thing that annoys me is the creator zip, and skinpacks

19:14

if they'd be on fly, it would be easier

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as the client can decide what it has to pack

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e.g. if a skin is a community skin and a non community skin, i need another creator(the skin creator) zip for that

are you talking about how the ddnet client downloads the skins?

no its all for the website

ah

19:17

i mean i guess its easy it would just take more reasources since u cant cache every single possible combination

19:17

if i understood what u mean

yeah you probably can store all combinations that are supported, but dunno gets very messy if a new skin is added it has to check everything again

can?

yes

:o

it should be possible, but doing it efficient is still annoying xd

xd

19:19

u mean only for creators right

19:19

i was thinking about every single possible combination of the 500+ skins

or adding a new skin is not efficient and recreates everything xd

the client says which to download in batch or smth

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idk

19:20

maybe i didnt understand what u meant

19:20

xd

https://ddnet.tw/skins/index.php?filter=phalloween

19:20

this for example is one skin pack

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with community it would require 2 additional zips(the community zip and the mix of non community and community)

hmm true

and then comes HD

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which i also want to support

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so even more combinations xD

xd

19:22

i prefer to support svg

yeah but i dunno

19:23

when i export 4k texture in inkscape to png its pretty slow

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imagine the client needs 5 times as long

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to load

xd

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https://unvanquished.net/

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another open source game

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u can see at bottom "friendly projects"

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maybe we should join em monkalaugh

monkalaugh

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https://unvanquished.net/friendly-projects/

gerdoe

sqlx ofc xd

sqlx is nice, but it's still not mature enough imo, which is probably a result of rust not being mature enough with it's compile time tooling

justatest

1

hm yeah nice thought

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russian game engine developers always step on this thing that rust isn't ready enoguh

19:36

enough

19:36

but jam was cool

19:36

strange that actually no one used macroquad

It's veeery close though, it is a pleasure to use most of the time

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Most importantly imo they at some point just need to bite the bullet and write out a standard, even if they don't stabilize it immediately. It's soooooo annoying to find references for rust

i had stopped rust for a while

19:40

seeing fishs everywhere wasn't that enjoyable kekw

19:40

fishes

is javascript allowed on the website?

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does someone know?

i dont agree

19:43

a standard will stagnate the language

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there is still a lot of potential to discover

gerdoe

i had stopped rust for a while

honestly real problem was to check documentations great number of times, i could make mistake that compiler would not describe me normally

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c/c++ is more cool that way

thats unusual

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thats not true

19:45

rust compiler is known to be rly good at hinting solutions

i know how it works and i can only blame myself about making weird/unpredictable mistakes

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on rust

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on rust its like overhead that kills me

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i can't keep it

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or maybe i didn't understand rust

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xd

rust has a steep learning curve

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it brings u the problems u will encounter at runtime at compile time

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most*^

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i cant play doto and chat

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im gonna lose xd

xd

Ryozuki

a standard will stagnate the language

a standard doesn't need to be static, I just want it to exist

c++ ptsd

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monkalaugh

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