DDraceNetwork - general

so weird we do it this way

Akari

CYO gives 5 pts only

Xd yes

ah yea

Cyo was novice

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let's just abuse the star system to compensate for a single map

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instead of just setting points for a map without considering rigid category rules xD

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stop worrying if something is mod 1 / nov 5, just rate it

I made insane server

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does it have points

I wanted to call it barbaric tho

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But they made up big discussion

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Then they took the Aoe word

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gae

and it was my idea to release Adrenaline 4 again

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again? what happened

it was released in 2014

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But it was 2 hard

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So Silex splitted it in 4.1 and 4.2 and they deleted 4

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meanwhile starkiller maps

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Now we have all 3

i dont understand "decline cus too hard"

Same

i guess we cant create maps for top players

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Its always bad argument

if we took this stance for all maps there would only be novice (edited)

ᶰ°Konͧsti

But it was 2 hard

now people just finish them with dummy justatest

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There is nothing realistic finishable that wont be finished

no moderate, cus it's too hard for most usa kek

Imagine a map 2 hard for coradax

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Or waffle

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hmm. i think i will make a discord server for unofficial ddnet-related projects like map re-rating

ᶰ°Konͧsti

Imagine a map 2 hard for coradax

2hard 4 coradax = sendhelp

and anyone can contribute

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not sure if people would care though

Wdym with re rating

all maps

lynn

hmm. i think i will make a discord server for unofficial ddnet-related projects like map re-rating

u will create a mess

maybe, people talk about rerating since ever

it's fine

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we can also have more constructive accounts discussions there

They refuse to do a rerate

not true

lynn

we can also have more constructive accounts discussions there

stfu

they want the rerate but they said it's a lot of work

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i can find the message

lynn

they want the rerate but they said it's a lot of work

no they just dont want

well, it is a lot of work :P

im asking to rerate Intercepter to 2* for years

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They just lazy tards

yeah intercepter is definitely not 1 star

Akari

well, it is a lot of work :P

Theres no need to rerate all at once

Lets move it to moderate troll

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i think they wont rerate any single map until plans for at least all in the category are ready

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for consistency

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but this could easily be done for smaller categories like novice i think

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just takes some time

Rerate maps and keep same points

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why not change points xd

Cuz we can get ez points

it would barely affect point totals

race is probably the one i'd change first

some maps will go up, some will go down

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kobra should be mod 1 just for the sake of noobs not playing it but im biased

imagine spending your life in a map to get 10 pts as a reward

xD

SL3 in a nutshell

yeah race sucks

points i mean

Doesn 1 star mean it is really hard or really easy?

race 4 per star, solo 5 per star

Orreally disliked or really liked?

idk i just think this kind of a system will always be arbitrary. you will never be able to accurately rate any map with these contraints (rating based on type of map instead of difficulty)

Depends on difficult @TilmeedhB

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Hard1 is the Easiest hard

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Easy 1 is easier easy

and yea you can make the star differences less but then your offset has to be larger (edited)

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and then you cant represent easy maps in the category anymore

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ie. dummy

there arent any easy dummy maps

problem

because dummy involves hard stuff like drag

you can literally make an easy dummy map

it would be shitty then

balancing points will never work xd i can play 4 5* moderates and get more points than finishing 1 insane 5*map

people dont do it since it cant be rated (edited)

plsplsplslol

there arent any easy dummy maps

My fav category = the one i have less points

1 star dummy maps are around moderate 3 judging by points

ye i think thats correct

Knuski

balancing points will never work xd i can play 4 5* moderates and get more points than finishing 1 insane 5*map

weighted points system like osu

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but we'll never do it

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it's also anti-farm

idk that point system

We dont play osu

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We are noobs

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Talk english

if you beat 20 brutals those would be more important for your point total than farming mods

and after you beat more maps that are harder, novice will not matter as much

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it would be weighted towards your best clears

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and if i were running servers i would also combine rank and points so that rank just gives you more points based on your time compared to the median

problem is even nobos can be carried through hard insanes

and then difficulty is no longer strict with points, there's a base points calc for difficulty and some scale of that for rank

which will then not represent their rank

their time would be bad, which addresses my point

Knuski

problem is even nobos can be carried through hard insanes

I got carried in an insane map XD

if they're slow it will change how many points they got

lynn

people dont do it since it cant be rated (edited)

well they can, its just that it will be 10 points regardless

time will also be calculated then xd?

I only have 11 points

time will be based on median

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or average i dont know really

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has never been done so cant test what works

You can see me in Novice FRA Multieasy map helping frozen tees :3

lynn

if they're slow it will change how many points they got

speedrunner community intensifies

sounds a bit too complex for tw xd

not

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p simple really

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if i beat a map that's in the top 90% of times, then i may be awarded 90% of potential bonus time points (edited)

:o

sorry im terrible at hitting enter randomly

lynn is in 2050 (edited)

my points are bad

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i dont play for points

so if i speedrun all novices in top10 i will get more points than someone who finishes all mods and novices in median time

i have no brain to understand his complex points system

if i wanted to spend every day getting points instead of mapping or relaxing after work then i would have 4-5k by now

that means points would never be consistent and always change xd

Who cares 4 points

Knuski

so if i speedrun all novices in top10 i will get more points than someone who finishes all mods and novices in median time

it's more complicated than that at least, the amount that it would rate your best clears by would be not so extreme

cause of rankings

yes, it is a performance ranking much like rank

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it would be way different

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and not really for ddnet

so not a points system but elo system xd

but im saying, in an ideal world from scratch it is how i would do it

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yeah basically

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points basically mean

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i played the game for a long time

how would i flex my points then? im staying like this thanks

not how good u are, i mean it can kinda mean how good but not always

well kog is adding an elo system in kog 2.0 while having the point system

take spooky and gdin as examples

What is KoG? Saw a seperate category for it

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Sorry for asking alot

Akari

how would i flex my points then? im staying like this thanks

lol, which is why if i ever do this it will be a different server network

TilmeedhB

What is KoG? Saw a seperate category for it

gores server

i will honestly probably get tired of teeworlds before i get around to this idea (edited)

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so just plan on it not working out xd

And again sorry, what language is this game programmed in?

but it would be fine-tuned and everything would be community-voted

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c++

Might be in #develonext time sorry

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And that's interesting...

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I don't know any programming by any means

develonext, the next step of developing

python is a good first language, or js

I know

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Started on C++, had no motivation

gores is fun sometimes cause u need 0 brain just skill maybe thats why their discord is often full of dumbasses xd

yeah i dont like gores for that reason

They got a server :o

it's too technical

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also lag

oh you need some 10% of brain sometimes

kog always lags for me

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you know what i will do instead of that server network idea tho?

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an anarchy server

u can already expect what happens when a kog server gets ddosed troll

anyone can add maps and also rate them

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it might be a shit show but it also will be fun lol

adding maps without supervision of anybody xd?

it will need accounts to prevent abuse though

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yup (edited)

yea that will be hell

naturally people will just not play the shit maps

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survival of the fittest

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only thing im worried about

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rate limiting and hard drive space

sp someone spamming troll maps

might have to invest in a physical