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Between 2021-07-11 00:00:00Z and 2021-07-12 00:00:00Z

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gerdoe

copilot knows something

this is great lmao

06:20

pls tell me getBestFramework returns svelte or vue

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gerdoe

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did you pass?

nope, he didnt study for the test

Ravie

did you pass?

im literally fucked up the tester

my idea is that there's no categories anymore

23:17

every map is just rated, and if you want to play a dummy map / rocket map / etc it's just a map tag

23:17

and you can search based on tags

23:17

if you still want the server names to say "USA - Brutal" or something then just consider some ratings brutal like 50-75 skill

it means to make another up-protocol

23:18

to make another type of votes

it would be the same really

because now votes are constant

but votes would be categorized only on points (edited)

23:18

and not what category they were added as xd

okey i need sleep xd

random voting

my brain is blowing

louis

random voting

?

isn't having tags the same as categories

i think it's dumb to have this rigid star system, you will inevitably have maps that don't fit somehow

louis

isn't having tags the same as categories

not at all

no, because tags are customizable

you can tag a map as whatever you want

you can add any tag to it

has nothing to do with difficulty, or age or whatever the fuck

23:20

it doesn't matter

23:20

ok so kobra

23:21

tags: novice, simple hook parts, simple rocket, simple laser, simple sg, some hammer fly

23:21

and understand, not all of these have to be tags but they're ideas at least

23:21

the rating can now be whatever you want

23:22

want it to be 15/100? ok fine

one problem - votes will just mess up

actually sorry novice would be an auto-tag you wouldnt add it manually

long strings with tags and short name - author (edited)

difficulty name would be assigned based on how many points

23:22

by the server

gerdoe

long strings with tags and short name - author (edited)

this would obviously require a UX rework

23:23

it doesnt work with call vote currently

23:23

my idea at the least is to have the server filter support tags

23:23

then you can focus on changing call vote

lynn

this would obviously require a UX rework

thats why i said we should again do up-protocol thingies

up-protocol?

23:23

idk what u mean (edited)

nice idea never happening greenthing

greenthing

idk

23:24

when accounts happen i assume we will start to look at the game more progressively

now we have pure teeworlds protocol and ddnet's up-protocol (idk how to say it in english xd)

you say that now but we could pick up some speed when things we thought were never happening start to happen

up-protocol dewcribes more thing than pure does

where coders

lynn

when accounts happen i assume we will start to look at the game more progressively

it means we should have good and big ddnet playerbase and just make game with another flexible protocol to add such things

gerdoe

up-protocol dewcribes more thing than pure does

like a subclass of the protocol

lynn

like a subclass of the protocol

ye

23:25

subprotocol xd

yeah i think it doesn't make sense to try to bend to teeworlds structure anymore

23:25

how many people even connect with 0.7

but that means we are splitting teeworlds playerbase (edited)

and it's fine if not everything is supported on 0.7 it already isnt

and killing it

there are lots of things you cant do on 0.7

23:26

so what's the difference

lynn

there are lots of things you cant do on 0.7

like what

look at all of the client settings pages

23:26

there's a start

23:27

can you do timeout recovery on 0.7

i can say about 0.6 0.5 and 0.4 lol

23:27

ddnet is modification

23:27

not teeworlds

im not sure what your point is

23:27

what i mean is we should care less about compatibility with teeworlds now

and aame i can say about you xd

enough people play ddnet that it's basically made teeworlds obsolete

gerdoe

but that means we are splitting teeworlds playerbase (edited)

.

23:28

thats my point

it doesn't split the playerbase

23:28

what 0.7 playerbase is there

23:28

i think i have met like 1-2 players

23:28

i mean there is even a ddnet announcement to download the new client, not 0.7

23:29

so we are already voicing our lean towards ddnet support

lynn

what i mean is we should care less about compatibility with teeworlds now

you said this xd

yeah

so i didnt think about 0.7

when i say 0.7 im talking about teeworlds

23:29

idk anyone who plays old versions of teeworlds

23:29

do u?

0.7 =/= tw

lynn

when i say 0.7 im talking about teeworlds

no, when you are talking about teeworlds you mean 0.7

23:30

teeworlds isn't 0.7 only

okay i will say The Official Teeworlds Client from now on instead of 0.7 for short

23:30

my fingers do not like you but i will bend to your wishes

then wtf is 0.6?

also tw

nvm, go to bed xd

ok if i say tw

23:31

am i excluding ddnet?

23:31

you dont know without context, right?

ddnet merge into 0.8 plz

when people usually say tw, they mean anything

23:31

ddrace

23:31

fng

23:31

doesnt matter

lynn

am i excluding ddnet?

you are excluding 0.6 (edited)

teeworlds client

23:31

find and replace: 0.7 -> teeworlds client

lynn

teeworlds client

teeworlds protocol that is used by many servers

23:32

when tou are excluding 0.6, you are excluding literally everything not ddnet-based

you can have tags for ddnet servers without breaking a lot of things it just wont translate in a way teeworlds client would understand

23:33

much like timeout protection

i think we changed the topic and talking about shit

you can keep backwards compat for existing things

23:33

but new things we shouldn't care

whats your point, whats the topic

i have been saying the same thing for what feels like hours

23:34

we shouldn't care about compat for new features

23:34

we already dont

23:34

we already ask players to download ddnet

you said about compat for old features tho

we already have stuff like timeout or the color sliders that teeworlds compat doesnt have

23:34

when

u can timeout in vanilla

u can? ok so never mind that

you can timeout everywhere xd

but i mean recover timeout

lynn

what i mean is we should care less about compatibility with teeworlds now

you said this

i didnt mean existing protocol

i dont think ddnet would work great standalone, tw just needs to step up

lynn

but i mean recover timeout

you can

"now" implies anything we dev

louis

i dont think ddnet would work great standalone, tw just needs to step up

never will

23:36

dev is so slow already

23:36

and slowing

lynn

i didnt mean existing protocol

teeworlds has big definition

same with ddnet kek

true

so, pls, everytime make this clear xd

i mean ddnet dev is slow because we have no viable way to compensate devs

23:36

since apparently we dont find it important

23:37

i offered some money for a fix and jupeyy fixed it and asked me not to pay him

because devs see thats ddnet > other mods

23:37

and stop making anything nee xd

23:37

new*

23:38

ah ok

23:38

wrong topic again

a part of the donations should be spent on dev compensation and we should have a small percentage of specific devs

23:39

people who are actively fixing ddnet issues / implementing stuff would get a fixed amount of it

@lynn if you have time, write an issue with those ideas

23:41

#off-topic will move it xd

maybe but i think it's more of a fundamental problem than a project specific one

23:42

i think the devs literally have no time and we would need additional devs to join that can dedicate part of their schedule if compensated

how measure how much ppl do

there will be problems like that

and like u said devs here don't really want money

but i think we can be pretty civil about it. identify who would actually be interesting in dedicating time for it and paying them all the same

23:46

it wouldnt be much money anyway but just enough to create some incentive

23:46

i think currently though there's no way we could donate enough where it would make sense

23:46

so really there's two problems xd

23:47

if you wanna get suuuuper close to the root of it, ddnet is just having a scale problem

23:47

we are getting more players, but we're still so small that we don't have the facilities to support incoming players, then it shrinks again because people stop playing, and the cycle can repeat

23:48

we're barely popular enough to attract decent steam attention but not popular enough to justify incentives for dev/mapping

23:48

circular problem

cimtg when @TsFreddie xd (edited)

is there a big mod being worked on right now? like at all?

23:50

i really want a cool mod release again like teeware

mrpg was

23:50

and tee adventures

23:50

but 0.7

isnt the balance there terrible

23:50

with mrpg

no, if you want to see story

tee adventures was fun for a week

real jrpg without j

but its 0.7

23:51

mrpg nice too

any reason why we can't run teeworlds server but use ddnet

23:51

something about 0.7 specifically or no

23:51

never understood that

what?

i couldnt see mrpg on ddnet

because its 0.7 only

ye but im asking

23:51

what makes it exclusive

23:51

protocol?

it even requires it own client

lynn

what makes it exclusive

ui/ux/protocol

even normal servers i cant see

23:52

but i thought ddnet server was just an extension and not a revision really of teeworlds

23:52

but probably all mixed up then

teeworlds server is great monolith

23:52

and client too

23:53

you can't change size of font without revising all code xd

23:54

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