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Between 2021-06-25 00:00:00Z and 2021-06-26 00:00:00Z
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deen
@Learath2 any idea about mac ddnet not starting? https://steamcommunity.com/app/412220/discussions/0/3104642254782501629/?tscn=1624557296
TsFreddie 2021-06-25 03:38:25Z
Isn't our mac built seg faulting. Maybe we should just temporarily revert to 15.4 on steam until someone got around to debug it.
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Deleted User 2021-06-25 05:55:28Z
can you start ddnet client over github actions ^^ ez macos debug session
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lynn 2021-06-25 06:02:52Z
that was fast
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Deleted User 2021-06-25 06:37:29Z
in the vm it works xd
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Deleted User 2021-06-25 06:54:14Z
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its so funny how much time i wasted for this game finding bugs that don't exists
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 07:01:18Z
justatest
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TsFreddie
Isn't our mac built seg faulting. Maybe we should just temporarily revert to 15.4 on steam until someone got around to debug it.
deen 2021-06-25 07:07:36Z
I don't think I can revert just one platform
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 07:08:05Z
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Learath2
weird, I get to the exact post when logged in, anyway, I will try on mac and see what's going wrong
deen 2021-06-25 08:12:45Z
Actually the guy posted in a thread by someone else. And that someone else deleted the thread, probably because he was annoyed by the notifications.
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Learath2 2021-06-25 09:36:22Z
I just got 5g enabled
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Learath2 2021-06-25 09:50:58Z
I have this incredible urge to buy windows 11, it seems to be working already
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Learath2
I just got 5g enabled
Ryozuki 2021-06-25 09:57:57Z
is ur brain noticing the wavelengths
09:58
beware of the aliens
09:58
monkalaugh
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Learath2 2021-06-25 10:01:07Z
It's incredible I can contact all my vaccinated friends
10:02
I hope I can get the second dose before the incompetent italian govt starts running low again
10:02
They are doing 3 weeks between doses now but if they start running out it will become 5 again
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deen 2021-06-25 10:43:19Z
Longer wait causes a higher antibody response in second dose, so probably not a big problem to do it slower. Study was only in > 80 year olds though: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.15.21257017v1 Most of Germany is doing 6 weeks for the mrna vaccines
Extended interval BNT162b2 vaccination enhances peak antibody gener...
Objectives To assess the relative immunogenicity of standard or extended interval BNT162b2 vaccination. Design Population based cohort study comparing immune responses 2 weeks after the second vaccine, with appropriate time-matched samples in participants who received standard or extended interval double vaccination. Setting Primary care netwo...
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Learath2
I have this incredible urge to buy windows 11, it seems to be working already
TsFreddie 2021-06-25 11:05:10Z
isn't it free
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deen
Longer wait causes a higher antibody response in second dose, so probably not a big problem to do it slower. Study was only in > 80 year olds though: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.15.21257017v1 Most of Germany is doing 6 weeks for the mrna vaccines
Learath2 2021-06-25 11:05:48Z
It can be better but it does make my vacation plans very annoying :D
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TsFreddie
isn't it free
Learath2 2021-06-25 11:06:04Z
It is for windows 10 owners
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 11:06:20Z
ok
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deen 2021-06-25 11:06:33Z
In some countries I checked full vaccination is currently not required for travel, quick tests are often enough
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@TsFreddie it was a joke about Bill Gates controlling people who got vaccinated through their new 5G antennas in the shoulder 😉
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Learath2 2021-06-25 11:07:32Z
Oh that's not an issue. The issue is that I need to be in turkey by a certain date. If they lengthen the span too much I might miss it
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deen 2021-06-25 11:07:40Z
I see
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@TsFreddie Not sure if these conspiracy theories reached China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_misinformation
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Learath2 2021-06-25 11:09:08Z
It's 33 degrees and I'm wearing pants, I am dying here :P
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 11:09:28Z
oh i'm pretty aware of them
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Learath2 2021-06-25 11:09:28Z
Can we get to winter already?
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Deleted User 2021-06-25 11:10:42Z
go into the freeze
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GitHub BOT 2021-06-25 12:54:39Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #3932 Reset relative mouse motion on toggle

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  • [x] Tested the change ingame
  • [ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
  • [ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
  • [ ] Written a unit test if it works standalone, system.c especially
  • [ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
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  • [ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-addresssanitizer--u...
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Learath2
Can we get to winter already?
murpi 2021-06-25 13:54:15Z
you'd skip autumn? :(
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Learath2 2021-06-25 13:54:40Z
Hm I can do autumn too
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murpi 2021-06-25 13:58:43Z
autumn with long rainy days and stormy weather
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especially now with the majority of people having to stay at home
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timakro BOT 2021-06-25 13:59:25Z
Is anyone skilled in probability here? A deck of 32 cards, 4 of which are jacks, are dealt to three players. Each player gets 10 cards, the remaining 2 cards are the so-called Skat. What's the probability of (a) any of the players having exactly 3 jacks and (b) all players having at least 1 jack?
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It's a uni problem. I'm curious to know, because the solution isn't published yet. (I'm not getting points for this.)
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heinrich5991 2021-06-25 14:00:47Z
hm, sounds interesting. I'll try
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timakro BOT 2021-06-25 14:02:34Z
I already solved (c) probability of the first player having having exactly 2 jacks and (d) probability that there is at least 1 jack in the Skat.
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I found them easy in comparison
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And I got estimates from a python script which simulates the experiments
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heinrich5991 2021-06-25 14:07:33Z
is (a) ~0.22? timakro
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timakro BOT 2021-06-25 14:07:49Z
Yes, nice
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How did you do it?
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heinrich5991 2021-06-25 14:08:28Z
I asked how many possibilities we have to distribute 4 jacks to 32 card positions
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the 32 card positions are 10 player 1, 10 player 2, 10 player 3, and 2 skat
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then we have to place the first jack on any player, 30 possibilities, 9 possibilities for the second jack, 8 for the third, and 22 for the last
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but I'm overcounting a bit because the first three jacks are indistinguishable, so divide that by 3!
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I'm not entirely sure it's correct, now that I explained it
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30*9*8*22/3! / (32!/28!/4!)
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read it? timakro ^^ comments/questions/critique?
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timakro BOT 2021-06-25 14:12:05Z
I'm still processing :D
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I never had a talent for probability
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Ah the denominator is "32 choose 4"
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heinrich5991 2021-06-25 14:15:01Z
yes
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timakro BOT 2021-06-25 14:15:04Z
Yeah makes sense
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Why the first three jacks are indistinguishable?
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heinrich5991 2021-06-25 14:16:13Z
because it doesn't matter in which order we pick the jacks of the player
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we could also pick the second jack first, and then the first and then the third
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we need to not distinuish that because the denominator also doesn't distinguish it
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32 choose 4 is without ordering
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I have a guess for (b), too
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timakro BOT 2021-06-25 14:17:05Z
Why not divide by 4 factorial instead of 3 factorial?
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heinrich5991 2021-06-25 14:17:31Z
because the fourth isn't indistinguishable
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we can't pick the fourth first, because the other two wouldn't be from the same player
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is (b) about 0.569?
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timakro BOT 2021-06-25 14:18:11Z
Python says .4311
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heinrich5991 2021-06-25 14:18:15Z
darn it
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yea, combinatorics is also hard for me 😄
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couldn't get two in a row, would've been too lucky
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timakro BOT 2021-06-25 14:18:37Z
I'm super impressed you got (a) :)
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Combinatorics can feel a bit like a gamble ^^
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heinrich5991 2021-06-25 14:20:22Z
ah
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I calculated 1-
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oops
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I also got that right 😮
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notice how our numbers add to 1? ^^
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timakro BOT 2021-06-25 14:20:46Z
Ah
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heinrich5991 2021-06-25 14:21:08Z
wanna hear this explanation too? I'm excited 😄
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timakro BOT 2021-06-25 14:21:23Z
Let's go!
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heinrich5991 2021-06-25 14:21:45Z
so, I calculated the opposite event
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"at least one" screams like "opposite event" 😛
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so what's the opposite event? at least one player doesn't have a jack
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timakro BOT 2021-06-25 14:22:18Z
I actually thought that too
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heinrich5991 2021-06-25 14:22:32Z
so, how likely is it that player 1 doesn't have a jack?
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22*21*20*19//4!
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we do have three players though, it gets a little more complicated
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we could take 3 * 22*21*20*19//4!, but then we're overcounting the card positions where two players have no jack
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(it cannot happen that three players have no jack)
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so we just need to subtract the possibilities where two players have no jack
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how likely is it that player 1 & 2 have no jack? 12*11*10*9//4!
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how many possibilities do we have for two players that have no jack? 3
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so in total we get 22*21*20*19//4! - 12*11*10*9//4!
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ore more cleanly: ((22 choose 4) - (12 choose 4)) / (32 choose 4)
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timakro BOT 2021-06-25 14:26:44Z
Very nice
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Thanks man, gonna have to train this stuff
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heinrich5991 2021-06-25 14:27:24Z
glad to be a help, these brain cells got a bit dusty ^^
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timakro BOT 2021-06-25 14:28:07Z
did you do this in uni too? Did you even study, or are you still at it?
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heinrich5991 2021-06-25 14:28:59Z
I do study maths, but I think most of my intuition comes from the mathematic olympiads I did at school
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my intuiton wrt. combinatorics
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Learath2 2021-06-25 14:29:47Z
Mh, I tried going backwards by picking the skats first but keep getting .17 for the first one 😛
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timakro BOT 2021-06-25 14:30:09Z
I've got two friends who study maths, personally I'm happy I picked computer science hehe
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Learath2 2021-06-25 14:30:25Z
Quite a challenging unassuming looking problem 😛
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timakro BOT 2021-06-25 14:32:49Z
well, you can learn those rules like not forgetting to substract P(A n B) when you add P(A) + P(B), like heinrich correctly did in (b)
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More than that of course, but I bet it's pretty powerful when you've got some practice
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Learath2 2021-06-25 14:40:26Z
Here is what I tried, that on the surface appears correct. Of all the states of this system after distributing. There are 3 states for the skats, there will be 0, 1 or 2 jokers. If there is one skat joker the players have 3. There are 3 ways to distribute these jokers, you can give 3 to one person, 2 to one 1 to another, and one each. Only 1 of those states is desirable. So 1/3 * 1/3 = 1/9. If there are 0 skat jokers the players have 4, 1/5 of those are desirable, so 1/3 * 1/5 = 1/15. The total is 8/45 = .17
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Ryozuki 2021-06-25 14:40:39Z
i wish discord showed math like latex
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Learath2 2021-06-25 14:40:55Z
@Ryozuki on the math discord we have a bot that does latex
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Ryozuki 2021-06-25 14:40:59Z
https://www.mathjax.org/
MathJax
Beautiful math in all browsers.
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someone integrate this
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timakro BOT 2021-06-25 14:45:57Z
I think already assuming the probability of the 3 states (0, 1 or 2 jokers in the skat) to be the same is wrong
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Learath2 2021-06-25 14:56:02Z
Yeah, that’s where I assume my error lays too
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Heinrich’s answer just makes sense so I didn’t really bother looking into fixing it 😛
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:01:29Z
i hate math
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:01:43Z
Me2
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Deleted User 2021-06-25 15:02:02Z
signs math best
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:02:13Z
Let’s ban math
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Deleted User 2021-06-25 15:02:18Z
tear
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timakro BOT 2021-06-25 15:04:57Z
What I love about mathematicians at uni: They don't force you to do group exercises and appreciate the value of trying a problem alone at first. They write clean and correct scripts: I've had lecturers with the worst dialect/handwriting, but there are always latex scripts and they are invaluable.
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:05:57Z
I’d guess it depends on the uni, the lecturer and the material. My analysis 2 textbook is so hard to comprehend and the lecturer has such meh english
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Takes me like 30 minutes to get through understanding one proof because the textbook shoves so much into one = sign
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timakro BOT 2021-06-25 15:07:08Z
Not saying they tend to have bad handwriting, currently my maths professor is great. But what I'm saying is at least there is the script as a backup. In a robotics course they lecturer provides these semi mathematical slides with formulas all over the place, it's terrible. Different symbols for the same thing, just untidy
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:07:58Z
.!ban 3.141.5.92 math 3600 too hard
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timakro BOT 2021-06-25 15:08:11Z
:)
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Somebody on this planet has a PI IP chuckle
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:08:57Z
I’d seriously pay someone to never see higher math again in my life
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timakro BOT 2021-06-25 15:09:11Z
What are you studying?
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Probs CS
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:09:40Z
Computer engineering, haven’t touched a computer related topic in months
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Ryozuki 2021-06-25 15:09:52Z
monkaS
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timakro BOT 2021-06-25 15:09:55Z
CS != computer engineering?
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:10:14Z
Feels like I’m just in a “engineering” course. I’m studying thermodynamics and analysis ffs
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timakro
CS != computer engineering?
Learath2 2021-06-25 15:10:23Z
Nope, very different curriculums
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timakro BOT 2021-06-25 15:11:21Z
Is it more close to hardware?
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:12:10Z
Yes, and it doesn’t have much theory at all, even in algorithms it’s more their use instead of their properties
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Ryozuki 2021-06-25 15:12:11Z
here its called informatics engineering, computer engineering being a specialisation later
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ori dk
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maybe its the same
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:12:33Z
Expect for the physics and math. Gotta learn those as if you will be sending a rocket to the moon…
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Ryozuki 2021-06-25 15:12:34Z
i never understood the difference
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timakro BOT 2021-06-25 15:12:38Z
Sounds fun, honestly
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:13:29Z
Why do I need to know the proof of green’s thrm? It works, like why do you quiz me on it?
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timakro BOT 2021-06-25 15:13:50Z
You can REALLY make a case that it is unnecessary
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With physics and maths it's the same for CS at my uni
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But I don't mind too much I like seeing some "real" math
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:14:21Z
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Ryozuki 2021-06-25 15:14:39Z
amazon owns the world
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:14:44Z
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:14:45Z
Useless garbage that I won’t ever use in a lifetime. I will right here tell you that if the proof of green’s thrm is of any use to me within my lifetime I will donate every single cent I’ve earned up until then to the uni
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timakro BOT 2021-06-25 15:14:57Z
Not too much though please :D
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There are multiple PI IPs
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:15:45Z
i only checked these two :)
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:15:48Z
Don’t get me wrong I love hearing about the inner workings of math, but I’m not a mathematician, they are a mere curiosity to me, why tf do I have to know these?
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:16:11Z
for science
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gerdoe 2021-06-25 15:16:27Z
for analysis
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:16:29Z
I’m not a scientist either
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:16:45Z
you can be if you want to 👀
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Ryozuki 2021-06-25 15:17:02Z
https://farm.bot/ go to a quiet place, set up ur open source farm bot and enjoy life without maths
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timakro BOT 2021-06-25 15:17:14Z
What's the PI IP with most possible digits?
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Ryozuki
https://farm.bot/ go to a quiet place, set up ur open source farm bot and enjoy life without maths
Learath2 2021-06-25 15:18:28Z
If only I randomly made like a couple million dollars and can afford to just live in a quiet place and farm
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:19:06Z
farming would be pretty chill
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but i've heard farmers are really just betting on earth to give them profit.
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:19:49Z
Which is why I need a couple million as a backup 😄
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:19:57Z
ah, fair enough
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Ryozuki 2021-06-25 15:19:59Z
https://community.twistedfields.com/t/introducing-acorn-a-precision-farming-rover-from-twisted-fields/17
Introducing Acorn, a precision farming rover from Twisted Fields
Hello and welcome to the new Twisted Fields technical blog. Twisted Fields is a research farm in San Gregorio, on the beautiful California coast right next to Silicon Valley. Today we are very proud to announce a project we have been working on for just under two years. Acorn is a precision farming rover we have developed in house to aid in far...
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that looks cool
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:20:40Z
one of my aunt is a farmer. the off season is like nothing to do for them.
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:20:40Z
You know the common advice of, make your hobby your work? I think I advocate for the complete opposite now
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Keep your hobbies away from your work as much as possible
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:21:15Z
oh no. i'm doomed
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:21:36Z
Within 5 years uni managed to ruin computers for me
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:21:48Z
well depends on how you define hobby i guess.
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:22:02Z
I can’t wait until the day I graduate and my boss ruins it further
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:22:11Z
i always thought my hobby is computers. but really it is just video games.
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Ryozuki 2021-06-25 15:22:14Z
i ditched uni 1st year did a 2 year oficial thingy and now i have a job
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:22:17Z
oh no, i'm still doomed
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Ryozuki 2021-06-25 15:22:26Z
greenthing
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:22:59Z
If I’d ditched uni I’d have so many issues with my parents
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Ryozuki 2021-06-25 15:23:23Z
i mean, i wouldnt ditch uni if i were at year 5
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i just saw what was coming and decided it was not worth my time
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4 probs 5 years
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life is 2 short
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:23:58Z
Anyway, I’ll go back to studying thermodynamics for my COMPUTER engineering degree
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Ryozuki 2021-06-25 15:24:12Z
monkalaugh COMPUTER monkalaugh
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:24:38Z
Next year I have fluid dynamics, so that will be extra fun
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:24:44Z
🤔 i never thought of ditching uni. but i'm not evolved as much as regular students i would imagine.
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also i was in US so i might've been in easy mode.
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Ryozuki 2021-06-25 15:26:39Z
some jobs listings require uni for doing frontend stuff with reactjs which baffles me but so be it
15:26
there is enough out there
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:27:27Z
uni is pretty chill for me. i did almost get expelled because someone stole my code. but luckily it was resolved. but that's like the one time i'm stressed out in uni
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Ryozuki 2021-06-25 15:27:43Z
lol
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code thiefs
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:28:59Z
Some kid from pakistan stole some of my draft paper to steal my code, he didn’t understand it and he put it back 😛
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Ryozuki 2021-06-25 15:29:08Z
lol
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:29:32Z
how to get to know department head personally 101: get in plagiarize situation and spend 5 sessions one on one with him to talk about it.
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Learath2
Some kid from pakistan stole some of my draft paper to steal my code, he didn’t understand it and he put it back 😛
Learath2 2021-06-25 15:29:55Z
Mind you we were doing cs101, so this is like very basic stuff
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:30:22Z
honestly being the one who can actually code in early CS kinda sucks.
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TsFreddie
how to get to know department head personally 101: get in plagiarize situation and spend 5 sessions one on one with him to talk about it.
Learath2 2021-06-25 15:30:33Z
Took him 5 damn sessions? They usually just do an oral exam here and it’s immediately obvious who actually knows the material
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:31:38Z
well he knows who's the knower. he just want to make sure i didn't give my answer out to others
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TsFreddie
honestly being the one who can actually code in early CS kinda sucks.
deen 2021-06-25 15:31:44Z
Why? Just don't go to the programming classes, theory is usually still more new/interesting
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:31:46Z
which is still plagiarizing
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:31:50Z
I was called to an oral exam because the programming part of my exam was full marks, but the theory was half. Apparently it’s the other way around for most people. Told the guy I just am not good at writing the steps of quicksort with a pen
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TsFreddie
well he knows who's the knower. he just want to make sure i didn't give my answer out to others
Learath2 2021-06-25 15:32:12Z
Ah, makes sense
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deen
Why? Just don't go to the programming classes, theory is usually still more new/interesting
TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:33:00Z
well too late. already got sniped and forcefully "befriended" with many random dudes that i really don't like.
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TsFreddie
well too late. already got sniped and forcefully "befriended" with many random dudes that i really don't like.
Learath2 2021-06-25 15:34:05Z
Having the social skills of a potato helps. I just flat out told people that asked me for help that they should study instead
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:34:19Z
justatest
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that's a strategy i guess
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:34:41Z
Might be the reason I don’t have many friends except that weird russian kid
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Learath2
Having the social skills of a potato helps. I just flat out told people that asked me for help that they should study instead
Learath2 2021-06-25 15:35:46Z
I did offer to tutor them btw, these people just don’t care though. Not once in my 5 years here has someone asked me to teach them something. Always can you pls do my exam for me
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:36:03Z
well for me i can't really escape, it's like you are automatically obligated to help other chinese students. it's weird. even if you say no they still come back because they don't know anyone else.
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just like how i don't know anyone else
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:36:26Z
Pretend you don’t speak chinese
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:36:37Z
well that probably won't go well in the end lol
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Deleted User 2021-06-25 15:37:16Z
@deen u got best marks only in CS? xd
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:37:37Z
🤔 people keep saying don't get dragged into a group of chinese. but i don't know why it is impossible, but it is impossible somehow
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i mean while being abroad ofc.
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:38:24Z
Haha, same with turkish people abroad. Not staying at a dorm and never going to the uni is your only option
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:38:33Z
oof
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:39:10Z
Funnily enough through the 3 or so friends I made so many random people reach out to ask me to do their exams
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Ryozuki 2021-06-25 15:39:21Z
monkaS
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:39:22Z
Like wtf, who asks a friend of a friend of a friend
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:39:33Z
👀
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Ryozuki 2021-06-25 15:39:59Z
asking someone to do ur exam is already rly pityful
15:40
why even go to uni
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:40:25Z
well i get that too
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Ryozuki 2021-06-25 15:40:39Z
i got that even in the 2 year thing i did
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they even offered me 50€
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monkaS
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Ryozuki
asking someone to do ur exam is already rly pityful
Learath2 2021-06-25 15:41:04Z
There is only one circumstance in which I’d agree with this. People whose courses have nothing to do with computers and aren’t going to graduate if they don’t pass
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:41:15Z
also many chinese go abroad for uni not because they want better education, because they can't get in a chinese one via "the exam"
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Ryozuki 2021-06-25 15:41:16Z
hm
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:41:38Z
I don’t condone torturing students with irrelevant courses because the curriculum is shit
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TsFreddie
also many chinese go abroad for uni not because they want better education, because they can't get in a chinese one via "the exam"
gerdoe 2021-06-25 15:41:45Z
too hard exams?
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:41:53Z
so chinese students usually suck, especially when you suck at general education too (e.g. me)
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gerdoe
too hard exams?
Ryozuki 2021-06-25 15:41:55Z
too much competition i guess
15:42
here u need x mark at a special exam to enter the ranking list for unis
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gerdoe 2021-06-25 15:42:20Z
hm, sounds good and bad at the same time
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TsFreddie
also many chinese go abroad for uni not because they want better education, because they can't get in a chinese one via "the exam"
Learath2 2021-06-25 15:42:30Z
“The exam” also is very hard in turkey, but we have private unis to help the situation so less turkish kids abroad
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@deen u got best marks only in CS? xd
deen 2021-06-25 15:43:22Z
in university you mean? Math, Physics and Biology were a bit worse than CS for me. Why?
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:43:28Z
In turkey you need to be within top 240k to get into any engineering course anywhere. Top 10k if you want to get into any half decent one
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:43:55Z
i only know a bit english and my programming thing in highschool because i was going for the program that skips "the exam". but that program was cancelled the year i went for it. even though i have exclusively prepared for it since elementary school.
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In turkey you need to be within top 240k to get into any engineering course anywhere. Top 10k if you want to get into any half decent one
Learath2 2021-06-25 15:43:57Z
2.5m take it each year so about top 10%
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TsFreddie
i only know a bit english and my programming thing in highschool because i was going for the program that skips "the exam". but that program was cancelled the year i went for it. even though i have exclusively prepared for it since elementary school.
gerdoe 2021-06-25 15:44:14Z
oof
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in university you mean? Math, Physics and Biology were a bit worse than CS for me. Why?
Deleted User 2021-06-25 15:44:27Z
Why not, from feeling u and heinrich are ppl that always have best mark xD
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:44:49Z
so i have to go for US college last minute. i spend three month on some english and applied one and just went.
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Ryozuki 2021-06-25 15:45:02Z
well ur written english is p good
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TsFreddie
so i have to go for US college last minute. i spend three month on some english and applied one and just went.
Learath2 2021-06-25 15:45:46Z
Didn’t they require toefl?
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:45:57Z
ye
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i spend three month to get a TOEFL score
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:46:52Z
What was your score after 3 months?
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:46:58Z
it was ok enough to not require an extra year for preliminary english courses, instead the uni offered in credit english courses.
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so i can take english courses as my credit
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Why not, from feeling u and heinrich are ppl that always have best mark xD
deen 2021-06-25 15:47:22Z
I got lazy, skipped too many classes probably, only started studying 1-2 days before exam. Didn't feel like it's worth it to put in so much more effort for a slightly better mark
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:47:33Z
which made it a bit more easier for me i guess
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i got only 70 lol
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😅
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:47:46Z
My random italian uni requires 90 minimum, I can’t imagine the US accepting much less
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Hm, 70 is pretty decent for only 3 months of studying
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:48:11Z
well the uni has pretty low bar and short on money.
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:49:26Z
And you seem to have improved your english a lot during your time in the US. Your written english is great
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deen
I got lazy, skipped too many classes probably, only started studying 1-2 days before exam. Didn't feel like it's worth it to put in so much more effort for a slightly better mark
Deleted User 2021-06-25 15:49:47Z
I see, but if you just learn so less you probably had the knowledge before. Since you also have quite alot of projects you are part of, that would fit xD
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:49:52Z
people keep saying that but my academic writing is still really bad.
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i can write email just fine tho.
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:50:26Z
Eh, that’s a very specific skill that you have to study for specifically. Can’t really just absorb it through osmosis 😄
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I see, but if you just learn so less you probably had the knowledge before. Since you also have quite alot of projects you are part of, that would fit xD
deen 2021-06-25 15:51:15Z
Not really. I tried to pick stuff in university where I don't have experience, so mostly algorithms and weird theory
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Deleted User 2021-06-25 15:51:39Z
Oh ok
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:52:20Z
@deen do you feel like you’ve learned something in uni that you wouldn’t be able to learn on your own?
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deen 2021-06-25 15:52:21Z
Now I know how to sort numbers in exactly sqrt(n)+3 time on an infinite two dimensional board of cellular automata 😄
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@Learath2 Yeah, definitely. I would not have learned the hardware and theory stuff on my own, the programming in uni was not so interesting
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:52:52Z
After 5 years, I can confidently say that I haven’t acquired a single piece of information relevant to anything I will do in the future
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@deen do you feel like you’ve learned something in uni that you wouldn’t be able to learn on your own?
TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:53:02Z
i learned valgrind exists, so that's a plus for me.
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deen 2021-06-25 15:53:18Z
But yeah, I'm probably not using anything from university for my actual work (or side projects)
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:53:35Z
I learned some linear algebra which was probably the only course that might have any application in the future
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deen 2021-06-25 15:54:04Z
I probably should have taken database classes since I'm working on a database system now
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@TsFreddie in some cases sanitizers are the faster / more modern solution
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:54:55Z
it might be weird to say, but i do enjoy math class where i realize how calculator works even though it was nothing about calculators.
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deen 2021-06-25 15:55:19Z
Ah, I learned some good latex skills in university, we had a class for that, really liked the professor's latex style.
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:55:31Z
that's pretty cool
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our uni just expected you to know it in the end.
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deen 2021-06-25 15:55:57Z
and algorithms and optimizations, we had some competitions for that, I really enjoyed them
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:56:39Z
I took introduction to databases last year, quite a boring lecture. I might have enjoyed something a little more thorough though
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:56:41Z
i was doing algorithms and stuff ever since middle school. so i basically avoided all of the competition things.
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and i really don't like algorithms and data structure even though i'm supposed to be good at it
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:58:55Z
I found all my computer related lectures to be very out of date and very rigid. Algorithms professor didn’t like how I picked my pivots for quicksort (because it made the answer shorter). Database lass didn’t like that I used partitions
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 15:59:36Z
🤔 i think the outdated stuff are supposed to be the basic.
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:59:41Z
Computer networks guy just wouldn’t shut up about virtual circuits and some ISDN stuff
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deen 2021-06-25 15:59:45Z
Programming Paradigms class in university I also liked and feels like it helps with programming even in less obscure languages. So maybe I learnt more than I thought after all
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Learath2 2021-06-25 15:59:48Z
Dialup facebook…
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 16:01:04Z
🤔 i have a feeling that you're just annoyed that you are getting "useless" information.
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deen
Programming Paradigms class in university I also liked and feels like it helps with programming even in less obscure languages. So maybe I learnt more than I thought after all
Learath2 2021-06-25 16:01:30Z
Hm, what did you do in this class?
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TsFreddie
🤔 i have a feeling that you're just annoyed that you are getting "useless" information.
Learath2 2021-06-25 16:01:48Z
I am not only annoyed, I’m extremely annoyed
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deen 2021-06-25 16:02:12Z
Haskell, Prolog, Parallel Programming, some compiler basics
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Learath2 2021-06-25 16:02:28Z
Now that sounds interesting
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 16:03:21Z
🤔 maybe you should stop thinking uni as an education of subject rather than an education of the process of dealing with the subject. or maybe i'm taking my uni wrong
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Learath2 2021-06-25 16:04:21Z
It’s neither. It’s just a painful obstacle they put in your way so you are ready for the 30 years of misery awaiting you at the tail end
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 16:04:50Z
but to be fair i was in uni for the piece of paper that i get to show other people in the first place
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also because parents ofc
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Learath2 2021-06-25 16:05:49Z
Exactly why I’m still bothering at all. If I didn’t care about the paper or had an ounce of confidence I’d just drop it
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 16:06:19Z
🤔 are you having trouble finishing it tho
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Learath2 2021-06-25 16:06:49Z
Ofc I’m having trouble finishing it. I’m on the 5th year of a 3 year degree 😄
justatest 1
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 16:06:57Z
justatest
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oh
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have you tried a therapy
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deen 2021-06-25 16:08:35Z
I'm enjoying work, if that's what you're referring to as "30 years of misery"
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Learath2 2021-06-25 16:08:37Z
Because at this point “understanding” and “knowing” something are very different. I’m very good at the first, you’d be hard pressed to find a subject I can’t understand at all. My focus duration of a goldfish makes it extremely hard to get good at the second one
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 16:09:26Z
well i think my uni is just easier in the end.
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Learath2 2021-06-25 16:09:28Z
See in this instance I’m supposed to be solving my 50th instance of a thermodynamics problem but I drifted into chatting with you
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deen
I'm enjoying work, if that's what you're referring to as "30 years of misery"
Learath2 2021-06-25 16:10:00Z
Hopefully I’ll find something I enjoy too
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 16:10:18Z
my time in u of edinburgh didn't go too well but i was assuming that was bc of the pandemic
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also i wasn't prepared for a thesis for like at all
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bc my undergrad uni somehow doesn't require one
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deen 2021-06-25 16:11:44Z
undergrad was in the US?
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 16:11:47Z
ye
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deen 2021-06-25 16:11:57Z
I heard it's more common there to require no bachelor thesis
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 16:13:08Z
probably. i know our journalism major do have thesis. but we don't, we need an extra course for scientific writing but that's all.
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so i have no idea what i was doing during the master's thesis..
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Learath2 2021-06-25 16:14:05Z
Oh thesis will be so fun for me, I don’t know any of the professors at all
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 16:14:34Z
🤔 In UoE we can get allocated. I only get to know one right before my thesis started.
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deen 2021-06-25 16:15:30Z
I also didn't know the profs I worked with, just applied to their open thesis positions
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Learath2 2021-06-25 16:16:19Z
Hopefully that’s how it works here too, I’m choosing to not think about that now so I don’t just break down at the insanity of the pit I dug myself into
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I have 6 exam sessions to collect so many credits it’s unbelievable. I’m planning to get it close enough and beg for my life 😛
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 16:17:32Z
justatest anxiety hell
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ok my brain isn't working. i meant to type year 5 for a 3 year program feels like anxiety hell
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justatest anxiety hell
Learath2 2021-06-25 16:18:56Z
1 hour of random reading and green tea does wonders for it. You get to pretend for an entire hour that you have free time to be wasting
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I’m about to start reading some Engels. Always wanted to learn more about marxist philosophy
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 16:19:41Z
justatest maybe get a therapist for realsies.
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Learath2 2021-06-25 16:20:38Z
After I finish this degree up I will definitely need one
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I’m planning to move to tibet after I’m done to become a monk
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 16:22:13Z
I don't think that's how Tibet works
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Learath2 2021-06-25 16:22:41Z
Damn
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 16:23:00Z
Would it be lama instead of monk
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Wouldn't it*
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Learath2 2021-06-25 16:23:17Z
Can I become a llama? I’d be okay with that too
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 16:23:33Z
maybe only chinese distinguish the two
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Learath2 2021-06-25 16:26:03Z
This is way too complicated. I’ve decided to instead go to new zealand to herd sheep
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Learath2
Can I become a llama? I’d be okay with that too
TsFreddie 2021-06-25 16:26:34Z
that reminds me a movie I've watched on a plane once. Where you get surgically transformed into an animal of choice if you are single for too long.
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murpi 2021-06-25 16:26:38Z
bring me with u
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TsFreddie
that reminds me a movie I've watched on a plane once. Where you get surgically transformed into an animal of choice if you are single for too long.
Learath2 2021-06-25 16:27:00Z
Lol wtf is that plot
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 16:27:10Z
I really don't know
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lobster
The Lobster
The Lobster is a 2015 surreal black comedy dystopian film directed, co-written, and co-produced by Yorgos Lanthimos, co-produced by Ceci Dempsy, Ed Guiney, and Lee Magiday, and co-written by Efthimis Filippou. In the film, single people are given 45 days to find romantic partners or otherwise be turned into animals. It stars Colin Farrell and Ra...
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Learath2 2021-06-25 16:31:00Z
This is the weirdest movie I've ever read the synopsis of
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I just might watch it
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 16:36:45Z
Tell me what you think if you watched it. Bc I sure don't know how to think when I watched it.
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Why not, from feeling u and heinrich are ppl that always have best mark xD
TsFreddie 2021-06-25 16:50:58Z
heinrich feels like the cool guy in the class that just knows everything.
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chillerdragon BOT 2021-06-25 17:07:42Z
classic china... in germany we usually do not call the smart ones "cool" :D
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Learath2 2021-06-25 17:11:18Z
smart people think smarter people are cool
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 17:29:12Z
😅
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Might be a age thing
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I wouldn't call the smart ones cool in elementary school either
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chillerdragon BOT 2021-06-25 19:07:36Z
yea i guess since i dropped out of school so early for me class=elementary and smart ones used to get bullied there not called cool :D but chinas schools are a bit different i think
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 19:37:26Z
Ye I don't think we have a lot of bullying and name calling and stuff
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Usually kid just straight up fights*
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either that or just bring quiet and nobody really bothers you
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Probably because chinese teacher do hit childrens sometimes and parents have no problem letting them or even encourage them to lol
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Deleted User 2021-06-25 19:42:36Z
ingame hitting each other is also quite a common thing
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 19:42:52Z
😅
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Deleted User 2021-06-25 19:52:39Z
that was a joke but it's interesting that most games are about fighting/killing/defeating each other
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 19:54:01Z
Well a game is about winning so it has to be an activity that has a winner.
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Like war
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lynn 2021-06-25 19:54:28Z
do u have to win in order for it to be a game tho
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lynn
do u have to win in order for it to be a game tho
TsFreddie 2021-06-25 19:55:33Z
If you consider desert bus to be a game then no I guess
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lynn 2021-06-25 19:55:39Z
LOL
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Conway's Game of Life
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gg
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 19:57:18Z
Well in game of life dead cells are losers. It just happens to be automatickek
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gerdoe 2021-06-25 19:59:24Z
they can revive troll
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 20:00:01Z
But for real tho. Are there any "non -violent" games that aren't simulators or sports
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gerdoe 2021-06-25 20:00:56Z
even my pillow can be used for violent purposes
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so
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lynn 2021-06-25 20:01:19Z
all puzzle games
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 20:01:32Z
Oh right
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lynn 2021-06-25 20:01:46Z
rhythm games aren't violent too
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 20:01:47Z
I guess I even forgot BiggerNouis
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lynn 2021-06-25 20:01:54Z
beat saber justatest
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its not violent you're just slicing cubic fruit
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fruit ninja
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TsFreddie 2021-06-25 20:03:58Z
There should be a steam simulator game where you play games for skins/hats drops and sell them to buy games that are on sale.
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You starts with $0 and see how many games you can buy.
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lynn 2021-06-25 20:05:08Z
lol
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But for real tho. Are there any "non -violent" games that aren't simulators or sports
Deleted User 2021-06-25 20:06:51Z
sports are also about winning + some sports are violent
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gerdoe 2021-06-25 20:07:12Z
tank race
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