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Between 2021-06-22 00:00:00Z and 2021-06-23 00:00:00Z
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i have something to say, but i don't think you are all ready to hear it
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i have something to hear, but i don't think you are all ready to say it
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Can someone give me a brief history on why ddnet is separate from the original client?
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mclain
Can someone give me a brief history on why ddnet is separate from the original client?
teeworlds was never about racing, there was a mod called ddracemax and after that someone created ddracenetwork, which includes additional features that teeworlds doesn't have
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also original teeworlds development is incredibly slow nowadays
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and teeworlds 0.7 brought a new protocol and ddnet is just too huge of a mod to move to a new protocol and client base entirely.
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also the "original client"/0.6 client only support 16 playerskek
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you can actually use any 0.6/0.7 compatible clients to play on ddnet server, it's just ddnet happens to distribute it's own client too.
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so there wont be ddnet on 0.7? (i mean servers)
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ddnet servers work with 0.7 clients
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A year of practice and my kanji still look like preschoolers wrote them
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Though my writing in latin script isn't great either. So maybe I just cant use a pencil anymore
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I hear from many people that they attempt to practice these kanji thingies. Is it like a condition for learning japanese or why do so many people do it? Im not really an expert in that kind of stuff but ur "kanji" dont seem to look bad
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Well if you want to be able to read any written media you need to know some kanji
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Some kids books have readings above the kanji but reading kids books isn't really my goal :D
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Ah, so your goal is to be fluent in japanese writing and reading (edited)
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Well my goal is to be fluent in japanese in general. Reading, writing, speaking, listening
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that sounds extremely difficult considering looking at those kanji
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But after a certain point you have to learn kanji because there is only so much beginner material out there and there is only so much you can learn from them
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For how long have you been practicing japanese?
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Knuski
that sounds extremely difficult considering looking at those kanji
I know about 700 now. You need about 2000 to be able to read easily. 3000 to read most everything
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Learath2
I know about 700 now. You need about 2000 to be able to read easily. 3000 to read most everything
thats really frightening
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Knuski
For how long have you been practicing japanese?
A year I guess
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and you know 700 already
15:53
sounds kinda impressive
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Well idk what the pace other people are on but I had to slow way down. I used to learn like 15 a day. Now I add like 2-3 a day
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After you know a certain amount it gets really hard to memorize more. Like your hard disk is full :D
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alright then, good luck! i hope you can achieve it in this lifetime 😛
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Hopefully :D
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Learath2
A year of practice and my kanji still look like preschoolers wrote them
finally, someone writes worse than me. Although I'm supposed to be good at it.
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It must be so weird practicing these for you I imagine?
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Its a tad weird to write yeah
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Man, you made me want to write something
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I think I have to went try hard mode to write anything remotely ok nowadays.
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bruh why does "cold" have three dot thingy on the left
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Almost threw me off
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I can't
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Try hard mode isn't working
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Mine look very stiff, yours look very relaxed :D
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Haven't posted food in a while, I'm doing italian tonight
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that looked like oversized paste from a distance 😄
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nice kanji btw 🙂
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TsFreddie
Click to see attachment 🖼️
Here is what the same character looks like for me :D
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Honestly don't know how you are supposed to practice these. I never went out of my way to analyze the characters.
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I dont have to, as long as the components are all there and I dont write it too horribly I'm sure people can read it
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But I might aswell learn how to write nicely, it only adds a couple seconds per character to my anki
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Like even tho the scale is completely off I bet you can read this
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i cannot read thistroll
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I can
17:03
But I have to say 🍵 looks pretty good to me.
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ocha
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oh funny. In chinese it is just "cha"
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My readings arent great yet but as far as I'm aware the kanji is read cha, the o is a honorific of sorts(?) (edited)
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Same difference in 姉
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i cant read china soup
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yea, the kanji is just cha, but it's usually written as お茶 (ocha)
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@heinrich5991 the o is an honorific there, right?
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yes
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Learath2
Same difference in 姉
I hate that character
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I always forget whether it is older sister or younger sister, because we don't use that one natively in Chinese
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the older sister has moved into the city
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not the younger one 😉
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Well younger sister has, not-yet as the second radical, older sister has market. So it's woman + not-yet and woman + market. Atleast with the keywords I use
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First one is obv, the second one is woman that's allowed to go to the market on her own.
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I'm kinda glad I don't have to go through that in my mind.
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@TsFreddie i hear china doesnt accept taiwan as a country. why
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the right one of older sister literally means city in some city names 😉
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English doesn't need these most of the time. You just see it a lot and it works.
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ah, didn't know that 市 has "market" as official name
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Im 'corneum
@TsFreddie i hear china doesnt accept taiwan as a country. why
It's like a technicality conflict.
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@jao if you meant me in #developer then, bcs thats where the human species comes from
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Taiwan think they were the real china, and got pressure into the corner by the current china.
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do the people dislike taiwan too? is it bad for CHN to have ddnet.tw. can they even access it?
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China think they have won the war and earned their place properly in the 40s
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TsFreddie
I'm kinda glad I don't have to go through that in my mind.
The stories are kinda a fallback for me now. I usually instantly know what a kanji is, but if I dont I can go by radical
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And both Taiwan and china was the property of the Qing dynasty so they should be together
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Or something like that
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Learath2
The stories are kinda a fallback for me now. I usually instantly know what a kanji is, but if I dont I can go by radical
That's pretty cool for non asian
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Im 'corneum
do the people dislike taiwan too? is it bad for CHN to have ddnet.tw. can they even access it?
Depends on the people. There are definitely the murica type of people that just yells at people when they see a Taiwan flag.
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Deleted User
@jao if you meant me in #developer then, bcs thats where the human species comes from
how can you immigrate if no countries exist
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jao has still admin role
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And not all Taiwan people cares about the conflict either. I think there are many Taiwan player playing in chn servers and they get along just fine.
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There are definitely stupid ones tho (edited)
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But I guess that's just how people works
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And we happen to have a lot of them
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Im 'corneum
do the people dislike taiwan too? is it bad for CHN to have ddnet.tw. can they even access it?
The domain is questionable. But I don't think most people think too much about it. And we can access it, but it is pretty slow. But like everything foreign is really slow for us.
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jao
how can you immigrate if no countries exist
does that violate the definition? ^^
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I still don't get why we need to remove the flag from traditional chinese. But flag for language is generally a bad idea anyway.
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german 😄
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spoken in 🇦🇹 🇨🇭 🇩🇪
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in austria and swiss they speak some weird german
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And for dinner some pasta. Truly an italian night
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Wait is jao German too
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jao is japanese
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So weeb
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Learath2
And for dinner some pasta. Truly an italian night
lol small portion
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hes also a midget
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So gay
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big midget
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jao
im big
Which part
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Deleted User
lol small portion
Already had an appetizer and will have dessert. I think this is good enough :D
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oh ^^
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Learath2
And for dinner some pasta. Truly an italian night
at least you have a mojito with it
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TsFreddie
And not all Taiwan people cares about the conflict either. I think there are many Taiwan player playing in chn servers and they get along just fine.
If taiwan existed I'd believe this
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cookies in jar
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my favorite
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whats that
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jao
at least you have a mojito with it
Heh, it's a gin and tonic. No good mint this week so no mojito
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Learath2
If taiwan existed I'd believe this
I can't tell what this implies. assuming it is a joke
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Basil infused gin, and elderflower tonic
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thats not really italian
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mario would be dissapointed
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ye you need italian drink
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eNJi
thats not really italian
To be truly italian it'd have to be red wine, but I couldnt be assed to go get a bottle :D
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jao is drinking his sake in his midget cup
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TsFreddie
I can't tell what this implies. assuming it is a joke
It's chinese taipei, not taiwan
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I'm pretty sure
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i only drink german drinks
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Taiwan is listed as Taiwan (province of china) in ISO
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jao
i only drink german drinks
Only beer and kirsch?
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Also I don't think Taiwan only has a Taipei in there.
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czech beer > piss german beer
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TsFreddie
Taiwan is listed as Taiwan (province of china) in ISO
ISO is a western organization
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beer and fanta
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together?
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fantabeer
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I think I like czech beer a tad better than german beer
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no beer better than german
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hahahahahahaahahah
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justatest but at least ISO is still listening to china.
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And Taiwan is referred as Taiwan in Chinese state media too
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only good thing about czech beer is that its cheap af
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I don't get where the Taipei thing came from
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going to germany to beat jao
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brb
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What do you think about dutch beer?
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Why do people drink beer
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i would like some murican to join this convo with their beer lol
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so we could hate on them together
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I only drink it if my mom insisted and it was a family reunion
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beer is best
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Otherwise I refuse to have alcohol
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you should drink german beer not chinese
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We have German beer
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TsFreddie
I don't get where the Taipei thing came from
Iirc it was a huge argument in one of the olympic games
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Family import them from everywhere
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TsFreddie
Otherwise I refuse to have alcohol
Why? Dont like the taste or the effect? (edited)
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i think asians cant drink alkohol
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Learath2
Iirc it was a huge argument in one of the olympic games
Weird
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they turn red
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jao
i think asians cant drink alkohol
No we can't drink milk
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jao
i think asians cant drink alkohol
The japanese businessman I met would very much disagree
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Learath2
Why? Dont like the taste or the effect? (edited)
Taste.
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I mean they do get drunk quicker but they drink a fuckton
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When I do drink I'm not easily drunk
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i had an asian friend and he couldnt drink much
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Even though I'm not custom to it
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TsFreddie
Taste.
Try more. There is an alcohol for everyone
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ye hopefully you will find your favorite beer
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I don't like the alcohol part of the taste tho
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I love sichuanese baiju, if you havent tried it give it a go
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i drank whole bottle of jaggermaster with @jao and fucking died
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Ok if you dont like the alcohol taste stay away from baiju :D
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but now youre alive
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Sure maybe cover it with other flavors. But at that point I don't think I would consider it alcohol anyway
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havent drink since it lol
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Many whiskies are sooo unoffensive, maybe try dalwhinnie 15. Extremely balanced
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rum is good too
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The last time I drink a lot I had like 7 tequila shots I think?
17:52
Lets drink
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Wait
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TsFreddie
The last time I drink a lot I had like 7 tequila shots I think?
Okay, thats a great way to hate alcohol :D
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eNJi
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We had the left one
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why 2 times the same
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Its soooo hard to find a good bottle of tequila east of the americas
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cuz the vanilla is best
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the middle one smells so good
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do does the apple one
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i only had the left
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Learath2
Okay, thats a great way to hate alcohol :D
Ye, I only take them if they were a family reunion, like with grandma and aunts. I wouldn't drink if I'm with my friends or colleague
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mixing the honey with cola vanilla is so good
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Beer hardly tastes of alcohol btw, do you hate beer too?
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eNJi
mixing the honey with cola vanilla is so good
You are officially banned from drinking whiskey
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put honey in beer
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Beer is just not very good in general
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Regardless whether they are alcohol
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oh oh listen to this @Learath2
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i mixed the apple one with apple juice
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Please no more mixing whiskey ;*((
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whiskey with apple juice?
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is it good
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sounds weird
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I mean I can drink them, and I wouldn't hate it when I do.
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I don't know
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i was suprised how good it tasted
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I just don't like to randomly decide to drink
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Ooh, I had suuuch a great bottle of bourbon a week ago. Woodford reserve has such great bottles
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get this will orange juice
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ffs
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Bruh I turned off my ac for like one minute and I'm sweating already
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What temperature do you guys consider hot btw, in terms of weather
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i dont drink such stuff anymore
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only beer
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TsFreddie
I just don't like to randomly decide to drink
I guess it depends on the culture a bit? It was common to have a glass of wine with food in my family so I do find myself just having a glass with my food
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20 is warm not hot
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My summer drink is easily gin and tonic. I can have like a gallon of the stuff
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jao
30°C
That's way higher than I would expect tbh
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what is it for u
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But I used to think 30 degree is fine before I left china.
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It's 33 deg here... sooooo hot
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But now I can't stand anything above 25
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i have ac on left side and fan on right side
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fight me
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US ruined my sense of temperature
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US ruined japan with temperature (edited)
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It's not even that hot rn
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And I'm sweating
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murica ruined u
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30 is hot
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ur ptetty hot
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louis
30 is hot
What about 25
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thats the temperature of my house
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surprising
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When I was in Oregon. Every AC is like 18c
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TsFreddie
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ah make it possible to live with you
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Language exposing time
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i bet @Ronan is malding from the heat
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vlazhnost 73% monkaS
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Well we just rained here
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Btw fun fact. People hate me when I sent screenshot in English. (edited)
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But I haven't used any chinese OS in years. I don't like how they look on screen.
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😅
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you have fans?
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I do actually
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no, he has heats
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I have 30k follow on Chinese youtube
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chinese influencer
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That's how we get this many Chinese ddnet players ( not true )
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zikkie should appear here to say "why am i not chinese"
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Also every time I join a ddnet server. People keep screenshoting me and post them in chat
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It does make me feel famous
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kek
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is chinese community mature enough
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But probably because I don't play ddnet at all so it's rare to see me around
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gerdoe
is chinese community mature enough
Not at all I think
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i only have 1 fan
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thats not my name
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The community is pretty disconnected, due to the language and network barrier
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made tuna steaks with garlic powder
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oh my god
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its so good
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he can send only bones i bet xd
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its oven baked
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looks like shit
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I tried to build as many services I can provide. But they just keep getting attached to that QQ thing, which is a extremely closed environment. Even link don't usually work there.
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So it is pretty hard to get the community actually involved
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yeah, same thing was at start of navyfield rebranding
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eNJi
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send some
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n word burgers were better
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black star burgers (edited)
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how to make that
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special
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i want too
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where
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do u have Albert?
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now we even have a WeChat bot
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whats albert
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black buns
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TsFreddie
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huh
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does it have access to main db or just redownloads database?
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@jao unmute @Ronan
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It checks ddnet.tw
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html scrapper?
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hes crying
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and malding
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help him
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im not admin anymore dude
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green name
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ask skeith
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I didn't want to ask for anything intrusive from deen. So I just went the Chinese way of stealing data
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@Skeith your job
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dc mods wont unban him
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they take this too seriously
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gerdoe
html scrapper?
This yes
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I'm not the one that banned him, not my call.
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who banned him
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oh, I meant muted
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I didn't either, so it's either heinrich, murpi or deen. If it's deen he must have done something horrible
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I actually kinda want to build a ddnet map database myself from the scrapped data. So I can let people filter maps with criteria like how many players required and stuff
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i only know that @Ronan was malding
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why dont u use they players file like i did for my bot
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all maps or only maps-repo?
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then u have the raw data the website is build of
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Map repo probably. Like everything in ddnet.tw
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TsFreddie
I actually kinda want to build a ddnet map database myself from the scrapped data. So I can let people filter maps with criteria like how many players required and stuff
how many people required should definitely be a thing
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i thought everything-in-one-place like heinrich's map database
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I basically want to make a Chinese version of ddnet.tw
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made in china
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But I got way to much stuff put on myself already
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ddchina
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xD forget the race, this is china (edited)
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ddnet.ch 🔥
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ddtian........
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ddnet.taiwan
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dont finish it
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ddnet.hu greenthing
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ddnet.ru
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tinanmen square
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We now have our own base code for pvp mods. We have our own point bots. We have our own community. Our own YouTubers etc.
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ddnet.gay
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But only like one or two people are able to make maps
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@TsFreddie do you know tinanmen square
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TsFreddie
We now have our own base code for pvp mods. We have our own point bots. We have our own community. Our own YouTubers etc.
chn vtubers monkalaugh
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TsFreddie
We now have our own base code for pvp mods. We have our own point bots. We have our own community. Our own YouTubers etc.
this one you showed in fng dc?
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jao
@TsFreddie do you know tinanmen square
Depends on where you are going with it
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its famous in chinese
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gerdoe
this one you showed in fng dc?
Ye
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jao
its famous in chinese
Depends on what you are going to say
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@jao do u know hitler?
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server only sources?
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hes famous in germany
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hi/tler
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i bet hes madling rn
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gerdoe
server only sources?
Do you want source or are you asking if it is server only
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Yes server only
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eNJi
i only know that @Ronan was malding
NOTTEST MALDIN NO MORE
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did you make any refactorings or just made another layer of code?
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ur malding rn
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gerdoe
did you make any refactorings or just made another layer of code?
I feel like I rewrite the entire teeworlds. But that's probably an overstatement
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I basically made it so you can write an entire gamemode in one class
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uh oh my dream is real now
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A simple one like zCatch/fng for now of course
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I'm adding some basic localization feature too because I can't wait for ddnet to get it natively and contribute to client side is a lot more work than server mods
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And I wanted to add bot slots sometime soon so I can make my rocket league mode that I've been thinking about for so long
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Also the weapon system is taken out of CCharacter. If you want some wacky weapons you can add new weapon class. And the weapon selection is changed from weapon type to weapon slots. So you can put laser on 1, hammer on 5, and maybe custom ones for 2 3 and 4
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TsFreddie
I basically made it so you can write an entire gamemode in one class
wait so like an actual API for mod building?
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not an api but yes
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are there common functions for shared / common ideas?
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like laser freezing tees
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or certain buttons to introduce UI popups
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TsFreddie
Also the weapon system is taken out of CCharacter. If you want some wacky weapons you can add new weapon class. And the weapon selection is changed from weapon type to weapon slots. So you can put laser on 1, hammer on 5, and maybe custom ones for 2 3 and 4
as i see teeworlds is designed in dop paradigma
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and then it turned into dop + oop
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Although I didn't support more than 5 weapons on one character because I don't like different behaviors between scroll wheel /12345
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no need i suppose
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The character has 11 weapon slots. 5 normal ones, 5 override ones, 1 powerup
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The override slots is for things like ddnet jetpack
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lynn
or certain buttons to introduce UI popups
this is game timer manipulation
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envelopes + server side timer manipulations
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So you can have both pistol and jetpack but they were different classes, but you can add jatpack and remove jetpack just like in ddnet
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lynn
like laser freezing tees
That's from ddnet. So it is built-in
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wait is the intro popup content changed and race time set to 0?
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that's so hacky xd
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I've made fng with it so it does work
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whole teeworlds modding thing is based on source hacking
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for interactive ui ask kurosio he made this client feature for mrpg
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lynn
or certain buttons to introduce UI popups
I might support a map merger. So you can define how you want your map to be modified so you only need to make the actual map then add more layers on top of the base map to do the envelope thing. But that's in the future and I don't know if I have time.
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well isn't the popup available in some trigger? or can be refactored to be that way?
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only if map format will change
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i wonder how mmotee does this
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i think
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idk what this has to do with the map at all
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mmotee does everything in vote menu I think?
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maybe we're confused about what im saying
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lynn
i wonder how mmotee does this
as infclass did
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Infclass has the menu thing
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TsFreddie
mmotee does everything in vote menu I think?
class choosing is this
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like when you hammer a tee it shows the popup but with different text
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or there is no classes in mmotee now?
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So same thing
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lynn
like when you hammer a tee it shows the popup but with different text
in standard variant you should send motd with text
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mrpg have over-protocol layer like ddnet have
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do we even talk about same thing (edited)
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Ye motd, broadcast and vote menu. These are mod heaven
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don't forget about netevents
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Btw my mod uses 0.7's gamecontroller design
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So it has rounds and dead state.
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You might not like that
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my soul wants to see it
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But that does mean I brought lms and lts into 0.6
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dead mods
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Well we have players enjoying lms so it is a little bit more alive now
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idk i want to work on a mod with other people
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Server is 0.7 compatible too
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but people have their own projects already...
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i mean i guess i do too, im trying to make teeworlds in lua for fun
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TsFreddie
Server is 0.7 compatible too
did you implement six(down?xd)-thingie in ddnet way or... (edited)
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No I just took ddnet's code and expanded it (edited)
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what classes did you refactor mostly?
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So it full work with 0.7's ready and dead state and stuff
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gerdoe
what classes did you refactor mostly?
Every
18:36
Since I need to make each team a standalone world and controller so they don't affect each other and have different gamemodes
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you are definitely redone mrpg as base source
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So I basically ripped the gamecontext apart. Stuff a lot of things into game controller. Rewrote the whole CGameTeams.
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Rewrite basically every entities so they don't check team anymore because world is already separated
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no masks... finally xd
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Nuke all custom bahaviours of projectile and laser entity in favor of callbacks
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was it really needed
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Rewrote the character so they have a weapon system
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Then rewrote every weapon
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With the new system, so they can be sloted into character and use the new hollow projectile entities
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what about strong player-character connection?
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So basically. The laser weapon class, spawns a laser entities then tell the entity: hey, call this if you hit anything
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Then you can do the damage, explosion and stuff in the weapon class
18:41
I wrote a exploding laser class for laser jump as an example. You can check it out right now
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gerdoe
what about strong player-character connection?
What is that
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TsFreddie
I wrote a exploding laser class for laser jump as an example. You can check it out right now
looks like ECS worth it
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TsFreddie
What is that
as... hm
18:42
character can't be standalone
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character object
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Didn't change it
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But I plan to add dummy characters instead of changing the current one. But I might change my mind
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Also I want the dummy character to have a custom snap callback so you can show them as entities instead of characters like in monster
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@TsFreddie do you have the src somewhere?
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DDNet based server designed for PvP. Contribute to TeeworldsCN/ddnet-pvp development by creating an account on GitHub.
18:45
I think you gonna hate it
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It's the most messy thing I've made.
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But I really want it to be out before our tournament. And quickly replace our outdated iDM servers with these so the name works and cross protocol, all that good stuff.
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I have to admit the project is a bit overkill for just replacing iDM tho
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you can delete graphics.h if you want to
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its unnecessary header
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Open it
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You'll see why it is there
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don't get it
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for image loading?
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why do you need image loading? ^^
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Don't ask me. Server was referring to these I think
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Plus I get to keep the map optimizers probably
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its because generated things are unnecessary too
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server_data/client_data.h
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Oh right
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Generated src
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I can try to remove those too
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90% server_data is unused
18:52
comes to .py files i think
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I mean everything is done hastily
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Even the removal of things😅
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It can run in its current state is already a miracle to me
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Or maybe I was just imagining that I did a lot.
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Also I keep thinking teamscore.cpp is for TeamScore.
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Which has been haunting me since day1
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Btw I have a eu server running it currently (edited)
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62.216.95.200:8303
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@heinrich5991 how was the matterbridge API thing going
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My getto bridge is working for telegram at least for text only messages
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where is telegram
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What is that
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i thought you did new multiworld
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bugreport: rooms' gamemods don't change in vote menu
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