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heinrich5991

@TsFreddie in fact that's so cool, I really wanna talk to that person. do they speak english? ^^ some of the comments are in english

He posted it in kaiheila. So he's there at least

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kek

@heinrich5991 or @Learath2 do u know why so many projects dual license mit and apache 2.0 instead of using just 1? im curious about this

13:20

specially common on rust

13:20

in*

13:20

or on

13:20

i never know

13:21

monkaS

13:22

Requiring both MIT and Apache 2.0 as inbound licenses for contributions means that anyone making a contribution is providing the Apache 2.0 patent grant. And then having MIT and Apache 2.0 as outbound licenses people can use Rust under means that Rust provides widespread compatibility with all sorts of other FOSS licenses, including GPLv2.

13:22

i see

13:22

https://internals.rust-lang.org/t/rationale-of-apache-dual-licensing/8952

Rationale of Apache dual licensing

As you know, the Rust compiler and many of the public crates is under Apache 2.0 + MIT dual licensing. However, it seems that MIT is almost just a weaker counterpart to Apache 2.0, thus I’d like to question the necessity of dual licensing. The deal seems to have started years ago with reference to patent related protections. As I mentioned abov...

What can't they combine them to make a new license name for it

@TsFreddie u then have to have it approved by OSI or FSF

13:42

long process and not worht i guess

13:42

(so it has recognition)

Why did I type what instead of why

13:42

I must had a stroke

Do you smell toast?

was that a common symptom or what

Yep, people that have strokes regularly report smelling toast right before

interesting

13:47

I guess chinese don't eat toast enough to have a connection

Funnily enough it's almost always toast. Other phantom smells are associated with brain tumors

13:47

I wonder if there is another smell people in cultures without toast associate it to

I do smell smoke like at the time because I have rhinitis

I get that too, I wonder why that one is

~~dehydration~~

Oh I know another interesting phantom smell thing. Some types of migraines cause them

13:50

I have a friend who swears it smells of bananas when she has a migraine

I just learned what migraine means cool

13:51

I don't know if I have that but I do get headache like once a month.

Migraines are very weird too. Some people get ocular ones. You get heavily distorted/glitched vision

but I don't smell anything during it I guess

13:52

I get toothache when I have it

Phantom smells are extremely uncommon in migraines

13:53

If it responds to painkillers its likely not a migraine, very few actually do

I never took any painkiller

13:54

~~I just bang my head on the wall~~

Okay that is one I dont get. We have been using painkillers for a millenia. Why avoid those? :D

Cause I can't recognize them and I'm way to lazy to go to a proper pharmacy for them

13:55

Well you need to go to a pharmacy like once, then you have a box at your home :D

I should note that down or I'll never remember to go to one.

I mean I get headaches every week so maybe its way less annoying when its only once a month or so

Also wouldn't it be really bad if it isn't migraines

Cant afford to lay in bed for 4 hours everytime I get one

TsFreddie

Also wouldn't it be really bad if it isn't migraines

Wym, migraines are tortuous, you definitely would prefer any other type of headache :D

But like if you have regular headache but not migraines, wouldn't it be a tumor or some nerve damage justatest

justatest

Nooo. Those are so uncommon

The one time that someone might have some idea about why I have headaches, I was in the US and my health insurance is expiring.

Stress headaches, ocular strain and muscular ones are so much more common

I just went to get a pair of new glasses. The guy checked my eyes and just said you get headaches a lot don't you.

That reminds me I need new glasses

And I didn't finish the following check up because my health care expired. The first few checks took like three months then I just graduated...

14:02

Then I went back to china, and the doctors here have 0 clues about what it might be.

14:02

@heinrich5991

!matrix ban markwillow

ERROR: No users matching markwillow found

Meh

Lol

14:02

Cool

14:03

Would it stay in irc tho

TsFreddie

Then I went back to china, and the doctors here have 0 clues about what it might be.

Well just go to an optometrist and get your eyes checked?

After I payed my insurance I guess

Hm, I thought china had very socialized healthcare

If you have a job yes

Huh, really? That sounds so american :D

come to scotland and get free eye test

Well the price ain't outrageous like America even if you don't have insurance.

14:05

But still. Having one is better

14:05

Hm, sounds a bit like the turkish model

14:06

Highly socialized healthcare, very little cost at point of care, which gets down to 0 if you are employed

ZombieToad

come to scotland and get free eye test

Bruh I really should have did it there. I was in Scotland for a year and I didn't use any of the nhs service.

(And if you are rich you can just take out private insurance and go to private hospitals which charge american rates)

TsFreddie

Bruh I really should have did it there. I was in Scotland for a year and I didn't use any of the nhs service.

NHS Scotland easily tops the rankings in europe, one of the best operated socialized healthcare systems

I honestly don't really get how our society works. Probably because I never asked anyone about it, plus I don't have a job

@Learath2 i read somewhere that the brain itself cannot feel pain

I recently read about singapores healthcare system and they seem to have hit such a great balance

justatest

I was going to signed by the ddnet ripoff in July. So that might change tho.

@TsFreddie congrats on the job!

Ryozuki

@Learath2 i read somewhere that the brain itself cannot feel pain

Yep, but it can interpret other things happening to it as pain

TsFreddie

justatest

I was going to signed by the ddnet ripoff in July. So that might change tho.

Congratz ○/

Thanks, although I'm not really sure if I would like it there.

@TsFreddie make sure to backport all their good ideas to DDNet

If you dont you can always resign :)

we'll see.

14:10

Well it's a unity mobile game. it's probably going to be a lot less sophisticated than ddnet anyway

@Learath2

@Stepfunn

And sounds like they want the mmotee model on the side for the

. Like material grinding and home building and stuff

I love you lcsg47Love

lcsg47Love

@Learath2

Well, they have to make money I guess

Who doesn't love @Learath2

ddnet_lgbt

TsFreddie

And sounds like they want the mmotee model on the side for the

. Like material grinding and home building and stuff

Yeeeee, capitalism baby, wooo

mobile games = ez mony

I was thinking they'd sell skins or hats tho. Much easier to implement

Chinese mobile game market is actually pretty saturated.

@TsFreddie but there is trillion of ppl in china

14:13

and i hear they have a mobile no matter if they are poor

14:13

but i dont know if its true

Probably

TsFreddie

Chinese mobile game market is actually pretty saturated.

I bet, qq is huge, no?

Tencent is huge in general

14:14

Both qq and WeChat are tencent product

the trick is to make a mobile game u can play with 1 hand while the other is holding while u are on the metro

So do the most popular mobile games.

Tencent is probably one of the strongest companies to be on earth, maybe right after the dutch west india company

14:15

I played a cute mobile game recently. Mini Metro. Oddly fun, havent played anything on mobile since it got plagues by candy crush clones and raid shadow legends

Tencent is insanely out reach in any field other than financial

s/havent/hadn't/

BiggerNouis is best mobile game

I thought mini metro is a PC game

It has a pc version too but such a simple game is so well suited for mobile

Ryozuki

the trick is to make a mobile game u can play with 1 hand while the other is holding while u are on the metro

I guess BiggerNouis does meet the criteria of single hand usage.

14:18

So the trick aren't really working my dude

the trick is advertising

I just noticed I'm trying to spend time here so I dont have to study physics

14:18

I'll take my leave, gratz on the job @TsFreddie

5% budget for game 95% budget for advertising

Thx

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15:36

allegedly the Sichuan mining facility that got shutdown.

15:36

Bitcoin mining*

what-the

the fact that they got shutdown is real. Just don't know if the photos are the facility

15:43

Gov ordered local power supplier to cut their power.

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15:55

Graphics card listing. Unit is cny. 10card per order minimum, 4000 in stock.

15:55

justatest

imagine wasting so much resources for a currency that has no value

News says they were drawing 8gigawatts

nice, so around 2 nuclear reactors xD

oof

or more

15:59

dunno

16:00

probs depends on the power plant

I think they were in Sichuan because they were using hydro power

yeah but before we at 100% renewable its still wasted it some way

China doesn't have many nuclear power plants iirc?

coal

16:01

just like germany

Ye I think we are still burning stuff

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Electricity_production_in_China.svg

16:02

Rip

Lol

16:05

Do you think they were actually trying to improve it

the problem isnt that china isnt trying

16:05

its just, that chinese ppl are getting rich

16:05

and need more energy

16:05

US people still use much more energy per citizen

I can't imagine how hard they have to try to manage.

they really need to abuse the chinese deserts more

16:06

solar is cheap af

I'm actually curious how they are burning more coals and rid of the haze in big cities at the same time.

16:08

~~maybe they are burning coals in the desert instead~~

its probs cheap to use existing generators and just move them to a new house

16:09

so they just move them xd

Prob

16:10

I've never seen a blue sky in china before 2019. I left china in 2014 and we didn't have blue skys like at all.

rip

Now it is still bad but at least I can see the blue now

i cant even imagine how awesome it would be in germany if there wouldn't be any fossil cars anymore

16:11

clean air, what a life quality

The first morning in the US blew me away for real.

16:12

I was in Eugene Oregon. Probably one of the best air quality place in the US

16:12

Allegedly

you never been in a smaller town in china?

16:12

i assume there are also better examples

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even before 2019

Not until this year

ok, crazy

hebei kid has like no time for anything other than schools

ah yeah, i think i saw that in some docu xD

16:14

south korean style

The education scene is like hardcore mode. You do 6 to 10 daily, no weekend. Less holiday, more off season classes and still can't get in a better college than a average kid in Beijing.

does that even make you a better student xd

16:15

when im tired im dead basically xd

Maybe, who knows. I skipped highschool for some other program with Programming stuff

tbh i think within the next 100 years there will be a revolution in china

TsFreddie

Maybe, who knows. I skipped highschool for some other program with Programming stuff

Still pretty competitive but at least it's more about stuff that I can relate to.

yeah but dunno. i feel like creativity is also very important

16:17

whats the sense in knowing everything if you cannot connect everything

Anyway I blew all of my education and went to US instead

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kek

ez, and us was too ez for u

16:18

bcs u suddenly could do what u want xd

I like how usually people went abroad to get a better education. I went because I suck

16:19

lol

still worth it.

16:20

people don't usually know that I go to US because I can't get in any college in china. And somehow I'm the cool kids now

@TsFreddie how accurate are western docus about life in china xd

idk

16:24

What's the gist of western docs

dude dont go to murica

16:24

they have the worst education

too late

they think europe is a country

@TsFreddie well i only know german/french ones e.g. this is a current one that has alot of views within 1 week: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnQwBTHP4io

China: Männer in Not | ARTE Reportage

my one year master in scotland isn't any better tho. Probably because of the pandemic tho

its about men having no woman bcs of the 1 child policy of china

16:25

and that there a men that litteraly buy women from indonesia wtf

16:25

for 10k$ or smth

I think we are opening it up to 3 kids

16:26

And they really want you to have three now

yeah but trade with humans

16:26

imagine what would happen in western countries

Deleted User

and that there a men that litteraly buy women from indonesia wtf

Hmm

go for it

I mean.. it's definitely doable

insane xd

But I don't know if many actually go for that route

16:27

But I'm a city boy.

16:28

Don't know much about the countryside culture

do you think city china is more open?

16:28

like give a fuck about tradition and stuff

Oh there are definitely people who still care about traditions and superstitions

well all i hear from china is always control control control

16:29

social apps, ppl that control reporters etc

But I think the stereotype is that they come here from the countryside

16:30

Because they can get benefits from the city with a countryside status

16:31

like lower scores required for college and monetary support

16:31

Don't know why that is tho

16:31

My family is pretty open.

16:32

~~Although I haven't told them I'm gay and see how that goes.~~

xD

Deleted User

well all i hear from china is always control control control

I mean news media do must be owned by govs to go on newspaper or tv

16:34

But not many still watch tv these days. So they might be getting more serious about controlling social media and blogs and stuff

я считаю что киви это лучшый фрукт

English only please. You can speak other languages in #off-topic

its just hard for me to imagine that ppl just accept it

16:36

here they go on streat for every shit xD

go to russia for education xd

Deleted User

social apps, ppl that control reporters etc

Also personally. Doesn't really bother me. I get info from many sources. And because I can read English, I get to consume western media, but the reality is, most of the time sources either copy and paste the same narrative and conflict with Chinese media and you can't really tell who's right and what is actually happening that you'd be better off just give up and do something else.

16:41

Unless it's news like Pluto exploded, mostly likely media has pretty obvious conflicting information that are only visible if you read both sides.

16:41

tee_thinking

so why even bother. Society is overrated.

16:41

poggers

xd yeah but there been so many dicatorships during the human's timespan

16:44

and all die eventually

I'm happy to be alive. My mom and her six other sisters can eat maybe a duck at the end of the month and they were supposed to be the richer family in the neighborhood, all other days were like a pot of watered down porridge and have to be shared by seven people.

16:53

In the 70s*

what about your dad

My dad don't talk to me much

16:54

So I actually don't know

16:56

Grandpa on the dad side died of cancer before I was born. Grandma is actually a egomaniac albeit a pretty nice person. None of the people on my dad side would tell me about their history unfortunately.

thats sad

Not really tho. Grandma is pretty nice to me. Dad is just too busy about his stuff, but he do bring in money and care about what I do.

16:58

I just can't get the history out of them that's all

ah thats nice

I wasn't born poor, like proper poor. So I'm actually pretty spoiled, even though we weren't like owning three houses rich.

17:02

Anyway you can see it, it'd be a huge improvement over what my parents went through. So I can't really fault the government for not doing their jobs. Because they were kinda doing it pretty ok, since they only set out to eliminate poverty and they didn't promise anything else soooo. I guess that's a win.

17:02

bruh I shouldn't be pro china tho. So fuck them anyway.

17:02

kek

ye china isnt good

~~Bruh I hope I don't get famous and get exposed by the irclog then get me socially grounded~~

you had a dream

which part are you talking about lol

i meant it like "i had a dream"

17:06

u the revolutionist of china

17:06

u fight for ur human rights

17:07

thats what we'll get you too and the ppl can read it in the logs xd

well not really

17:07

he said he likes what they do

econemy wise

oh

atleast thats how i got it

Not really tho

17:07

I don't care

looking at our history, ppl also were cheap workers for like 100 years in the industrial revolution

17:08

then slowly human rights emerged

I mean. I'm not the cheap worker due to my degree.

yeah china is already very modern anyway

17:09

its kinda edge case

17:09

they didnt start with 0

~~I wanna be the bad guy and suppress other cheap workers.~~

justatest

17:10

at least u didnt stay in murica

(disclosure: that's a joke)

jao

at least u didnt stay in murica

I interviewed for google for 4 months iirc. They were really slow about moving forward for some reason. So I might almost did stay there?

TsFreddie

~~I wanna be the bad guy and suppress other cheap workers.~~

tbh without machines taking over human work, it will always just shift this problem to more poor countries

Maybe only because I didn't get any other cards to play, only like 4 offered interviews.

good that it was just almost

17:14

murica worse than china

Well retrospectively ye, if you consider the covid situation

17:15

At the time it was pretty exciting to be able to stay there

17:15

17:16

But I'm also glad I got out of Scotland after being stranded there for so long because the travel restriction

you really want to live there?

Scot or murica

17:18

The key to live in murica is never go outside.

it also helps if you're white and not poor

never go outside?

17:18

sounds boring

look up chicago at night on youtube

Btw why is jao still green

they forgot to remove me

I think america wasn't very hostile to Asians until last year

i think because most racists belive that asians are superior

Sure I got yelled at maybe once or twice because of my race. But luckily they usually have pretty bad accent and I can't understand a word they were yelling at me. But I can tell they were upset of me existing.

17:22

kek

are you chinese?

Ye

17:22

Wasn't it obvious

this channel is spicy today

17:22

ill have to read it later

no because i see you are learning chinese

what

mf IS chinese

didnt you post a picture of your writing before?

Are yoU sayiNg I'm bad At chinEse wriTings

what was the best thing you saw in murica

no i just misunderstood. thinking youre practicing or somethign

Because that's true. I'm pretty bad

racism in us is so stupid xD all americans are immigrants

I think fewer people in japan learn to write japanese, for most stuff you don't need it and it's pretty complicate

17:24

write by hand, I mean. writing on the computer is easier

17:24

maybe the same applies to china?

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17:24

@Deleted User

17:25

this is the dumbest meme i have ever seen and i dont evenm know why its funny

what's behind the heya?

idk

i know someone who was given 200k in indigenous tribe reparations

probably the point that americans are imigrants

i actually had no idea we were doing that

I heard japanese is slowly drifting away from kanji

i mean at some point all except africans are immigrants

17:26

since all humans come from africa

?xd

Wait wrong channel for the topic

jao

they forgot to remove me

Want me to remove you? :D

yes

TsFreddie

I interviewed for google for 4 months iirc. They were really slow about moving forward for some reason. So I might almost did stay there?

Oh, I randomly got an invitation to google foobar. I wonder if they will take me if I finish the challange

jao

yes

Let's take care of the bot thing first tho, then I can do it

Learath2

Oh, I randomly got an invitation to google foobar. I wonder if they will take me if I finish the challange

Good luck

18:02

Crush it and let em see it

okay

Heh, I'm not that great with the theoretical stuff that this kind of challange usually checks, but we'll see

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #3925 DDNet freezes when going into select mode in the console on Windows

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--IRLg3bkao Apparently you can simply go into select mode, then when DDNet tries prints something, it freezes. If you have DDNet in fullscreen mode, you apparently can't go out of the select mode anymore, in windowed mode the fix works, apparently. I'd guess that this is done by Windows and that we can't do anything about it. Any Windows gurus that can chime in? :) Reported to me by M Emile.

Learath2

I played a cute mobile game recently. Mini Metro. Oddly fun, havent played anything on mobile since it got plagues by candy crush clones and raid shadow legends

rly good game

TsFreddie

chinese modder be like https://github.com/MageDelfador/DDNet-show-points-in-game/blob/main/ddnet.py

This is the jankiest thing I've ever seen, love it

ok finally caught up

@Learath2 isn't it? I really like it. I doubt I would've been able to do that, maybe I should try it some time

You definitely can, this one is very hardcoded but you can even get this more dynamic by looking for signatures

18:20

I wouldn't have ever thought of it though

ohhh

18:23

it replaces the clan

18:23

then it becomes a lot clearer

18:23

I thought it introduced another column ^^

Ah, no definitely not, I don't think one could do another column with the way we make our tables

18:26

It would be nice if we added generic tables btw

18:27

I made some for editor2 on 0.7

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #3926 Disallow spec-votes if person is muted

Spec-vote reason field is still being abused

@murpi are other votes already prohibited?

yes

18:51

I think

18:54

nevermind, I thought it did

heinrich5991

@Learath2 isn't it? I really like it. I doubt I would've been able to do that, maybe I should try it some time

I think they just used something like cheat engine to find the offset then applied it in some example. We do have a lot of memory manipulation tutorials in Chinese.

18:59

justatest

~~for definitely educational purposes~~

i got a random dm today

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19:49

i wish i could unsee this

whats up with ever server saying u cant speak for 226 seconds eveyr time u join?

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@heinrich5991 server list is slow again for me, few seconds for initial request and 1.5 for refreshes

20:01

i think you said what you added was not permanent anyway

#3925

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/3925

DDNet freezes when going into select mode in the console on Windows...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--IRLg3bkao Apparently you can simply go into select mode, then when DDNet tries prints something, it freezes. If you have DDNet in fullscreen mode, you apparently c...

Not a ddnet issue

20:13

(same happens for ddnet server obviously, noticed that while copying rcon pw from test server many times, but never thought of it being a bug)

@lynn try restarting

20:13

ah wait

20:14

check br_cached_best_serverinfo_url please

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20:15

master3

20:15

same for refresh + initial

hmm

someone should make a map of the master servers xd

20:16

easier to visualize

should be fast™

20:16

master1 and master3 are both in germany, one behind cloudflare and one isn't

20:16

master2 is in china

i would think master2 would be faster for me

doubt

20:29

do you have curl installed?

20:35

@murpi using votemute + mute is too annoying, I guess?

yeah, after being muted, the next best thing is to use the vote reason field

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #3927 Forbid votes while being muted

Fixes the problem of people abusing the vote reason for spamming. Fixes #3926.

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test if it works standalone, system.c especially
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UB...

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #3928 Properly export antibot DLL symbols on Windows

Supersedes #3917.

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test if it works standalone, system.c especially
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-ad...

heinrich5991

do you have curl installed?

yeah i have curl

20:56

ill check

time curl --compressed https://master1.ddnet.tw/ddnet/15/servers.json

20:57

repeat for the other masters

20:58

ah maybe do time curl -sS -o/dev/null --compressed https://master1.ddnet.tw/ddnet/15/servers.json

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20:58

ah i used another thing i found on SE

20:58

ill check the other 2 now

20:59

unfortunately dont have time on windows

21:00

huh, master1 is actually 0.5 seconds faster for me

21:00

compared to master3

21:01

master2 is the slowest, you were right about that

21:03

im just gonna stick master1 in there (edited)

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

0750ae0 Properly export antibot DLL symbols on Windows - heinrich5991 0bac9ab Merge #3928 - bors[bot]

21:05

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #3928 Properly export antibot DLL symbols on Windows

21:05

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #3917 Fix antibot library building with MSVS

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #3926 Disallow spec/kick/map-votes if person is muted

21:14

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

15c6ad2 Forbid votes while being muted - heinrich5991 dc2fb88 Merge #3927 - bors[bot]

21:14

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #3927 Forbid votes while being muted

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #3929 Allow /lock /unluck /practice while muted

As pointed out on discord in #bugs:

Pluthorium — Today at 23:38 With the new setting that everyone is muted at the beginning you cant lock your team

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