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Between 2021-05-23 00:00:00Z and 2021-05-24 00:00:00Z

[ddnet-maps:master] 1 new commit

bd4a378 A alternative - ddnet-maps

[ddnet:master] 3 new commits

500ba76 Respect tunezone for characters - TsFreddie ae6a78c Try to fix clang-tidy warnings (untested) - def- 47d6331 Merge #3826 - bors[bot]

08:25

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #3826 Respect TuneZone for characters

oh no :/ did zcatch stats reset?

Kernel debugger from the future, look at that time string

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what are you doing?

nothing interesting, trying to debug a bsod

16:53

oculus is causing so many video mode changes that I think it's hitting some very unused codepaths

"nothing interesting" said the master hacker

well I'd only be a master hacker if I manage to find the bug without any symbols

16:55

otherwise I'm just a fool wasting time

16:55

hey, atleast I'm learning more about windows drivers and how they work

I was going to look into setting up gpu passthru to finally get rid of windows completely today, but then I started to wonder whether the VM would be detected by anticheats

@Learath2 what r u planning to play

well I only play league and genshin impact nowadays

feelsbadman

17:11

bluekitty

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but as anticheats get more and more draconian it might be an issue, even now idk if these games like to work under virtualization

lucky i dont play many tripla a

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good thing about being a niche gamer

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"gamer"

monkalaugh

I also play indies, but those are already almost always released cross platform

17:12

(since it actually takes no work to do a linux release with any modern engine)

17:13

Hmmmm, SteamVR is also shit on linux, maybe I do have to keep the windows

rly? theorically steam tries hard to support linux

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altho they could do better and be conformant with their steam client

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it sadly ignores lot of stuff

17:13

i cant make the chat floating without making the whole steam floating

it's not steam, steam upgraded most of their stuff, the problem is the vr vendors not having good drivers

because they dont use proper tags or whathever

17:14

hints

@Ryozuki I once planned on making a cli "steam client" using steamcmd

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/5533

Xwindow title is just name of the person for chats · Issue #5533 · ...

Your system information Steam client version (build number or date): 06/14/18 Distribution (e.g. Ubuntu): Devuan Opted into Steam client beta?: [Yes/No] Yes Have you checked for system updates?: [Y...

17:14

here my issue

steam works like shit with tiling wms :/

first is steam, second is chat

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17:15

this sux

The guardian popup at login will make a billion bell sounds if you move your mouse outside it

my trick is to float everything and then select the main steam client and put it non floating manually

(if you have focus follows mouse enabled that is)

focus on mouse hover is the best of twm

17:16

imagine having to click tofocus

17:16

normans

monkalaugh

fwiw I've been trying to stop using the mouse at all

for_window [window_role="pop-up"] floating enable for_window [window_role="bubble"] floating enable for_window [window_role="task_dialog"] floating enable for_window [window_role="Preferences"] floating enable for_window [window_role="About"] floating enable

17:17

tbh steam could fix this so ez

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they just have to give the proper window roles

idk why these massive companies don't hire one developer just to do these small issues

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it's just one more developer and they would be making commonfolk happy all the time

cuz twm users are 1% of 1% of 1%

I don't mean just this

17:20

There are many small odd issues here and there like this

a website is chatting monkalaugh

monkalaugh

any chance the developers could make it so if someone is using a 2 monitor setup, when u swap from the game to say, google or discord on the other screen, the game stays, mine just goes down to taskbar

microsoft windows problems monkalaugh

monkalaugh

oof

@ab.com make the game windowed

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or

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borderless windowed

ok ill give that a try

17:22

yes it worked

poggers

ha hahahhahahaha, went from 1500+fps to 64+-

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wtf :DDD

vsync on?

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turn off

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and try it borderless

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but idk

vsync of, its bordeless window

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take of fullscreen so i dont have the original bug but keep brodeless so it doesnt fps drop

the fullscreen minimizing the game when u alt tab is normal btw

17:24

its how fullscreen works

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on windows*

17:25

@Learath2 since when does the console have color? xd

yah, just anoying since i have to tab back into game then press windows+shift+-> to switch to other screen every time

@Ryozuki mh, last version or so

@Learath2 do u happen to know what does gfx_async_render_old

only god and @Deleted User knows what the gfx_ options do

@ab.com if u have a gpu try enabling opengl 3.3

maybe only jupstar knows what they REALLY do internally

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btw (i know this is for developers) but is nvidia optimus not changing between 2 g cards automaticaly normal?

oh nivdia optimus

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i heard it has bugs here

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@Learath2 was it chairn?

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smth about 32 bits

everyone has issues with optimus

17:27

sometimes for whatever reason it just doesn't trigger the dGPU

i have to manualy make my game turn to dgpu from igpu so my laptop screen gets real fps

monkalaugh

and if it doesnt it reads 250fps +- but displays at about 40

17:28

:`(

i dont know about such tech

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sry

all cool

Noooo someone took my idea of a spotify terminal interface and made it real

i know about it since ever

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https://github.com/Rigellute/spotify-tui

Rigellute/spotify-tui

Spotify for the terminal written in Rust

. Contribute to Rigellute/spotify-tui development by creating an account on GitHub.

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its in rust

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cuz u know

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rust

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everything is in rust lately

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greenthing

I'll make one in C

monkalaugh

just so it annoys you

@Learath2 the other day iwas reading lwm or the web were ppl discuss about the discussions on the linux kernel

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there were some serious C holy warriors

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they found anything other than C horrendous

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no room for discussion

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i was amazed

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but

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way more hardcore

Well don't forget most of the people contributing to the kernel are OLD

than u

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yes

old people are old people no matter whether they are tech people or not

@Learath2 there is one guy that is mad that rust docs are in markdown and not in hand drawn ascii

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xddd

I mean we can write a tool to do markdown -> ascii if he likes, it's not rocket science

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Markdown is actually pleasant to read in plaintext even so idk what he is on about

https://lwn.net/Articles/853423/

Rust heads into the kernel?

In a lengthy message to the linux-kernel mailing list, Miguel Ojeda "introduced" the Rust for Linux project. It was likely not the first time that most kernel developers had heard of the effort; there was an extensive discussion of the project at the 2020 Linux Plumbers Conference, for example. It has also been raised before on the list. Now, t...

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here is the shithole

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actually interestin discussions

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but some are like wanting to kill urself

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you are trying to convince someone who doesnt know how rust works and makes x assumptions about how a code he seen works

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and process to shit on it

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e.g he things the ? that makes a early return error hides stuff and that u cant handle the error

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(he was corrected but i doubt he cares)

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also that RAII helps unwind on errors

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removing human error

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they actually prefer gotos these devs

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and following them around 40 files

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kek

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@Learath2 i also found a rly old dude calling "smiley code" using a lambda |_| x.something

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cuz he doesnt know that _ is used when u dont care about the input parameter

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hilarious

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"smilley programming"

I sort of agree with Zijlstra there, a second language is raaarely a good idea

Since Zijlstra also described the kernel rst docs as "crap" and "unreadable garbage" I'm not sure anything except hand-written ASCII would satisfy him, but perhaps others would be happy with that.

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@Learath2 this guy also hates rst

yeah that point he makes idk what he is on about

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old guy stuff

they guy i answered on hacker news got his comment flagged lmao

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monkalaugh

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it rly was a comment that doesnt fit hn standards so i understand it

The more you make it look like (Kernel) C, the easier it is for us C people to actually read. My eyes have been reading C for almost 30 years by now, they have a lexer built in the optical nerve; reading something that looks vaguely like C but is definitely not C is an utterly painful experience.

See this is what I suffer from aswell, I do wish Rust had taken less steps away from C but c'est la vie. I accept that

i like that rust is big away from C

I'm talking about just the syntax here

i find that C makes the programming field stall and not progress

if they want to completely part with it then completely part with it, if not don't take a few baby steps and leave it in this confusing state for older programmers

and the argument that i did X for 30 years in programming is a bit bad, since programming is a thing that moves really fast

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you shouldnt be stuck

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or you die with it

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I wouldn’t be shocked if this was all some conspiracy by Google and Microsoft to make a personal computing unusable so that everyone has to use their cloud offerings.

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some ppl believe this xdd

I wouldn't be shocked either. I'd be a little surprised

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These capitalists, you really need to be careful about them. Very very crafty people

this is in the context of pushing rust to linux causing this

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doesnt google use linux itself

I don't see how rust would lead to that, but if anyone is capable of destroying something for profits using the silliest means it's Microsoft and Google

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Zijlstra is like the final boss, a bigot to his core lol

monkaS

Linus' comments seem on point though, rust is a little too eager to die

i bet Zijlstra doesnt read websites that use more than basic html

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wait

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he probs doesnt even read websites

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its all mail

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living in the 80

I mean the rust wrapper in the kernel, but even rust itself is a little too eager to die

what does that mean

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eager to die

The kernel needs to try it's very best to keep working under any circumstance, you can't just panic when something doesn't seem right

Ryozuki

https://github.com/Rigellute/spotify-tui

Does it prevent spotify ads?

Learath2

The kernel needs to try it's very best to keep working under any circumstance, you can't just panic when something doesn't seem right

that has been discussed tho

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the rust compiler devs are willing to work on making it a better fit, and more stuff

Yes, hence why I said Linus' comments seem on point

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and seems the people getting rust into the kernel agree with the sentiment

if you dont use std you also dont do any allocations

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which is somethign they want

this integration will be great for both rust and the kernel imo

ye

rust will get to improve as a systems language and the kernel will get experience with integrating another language

for now the target is just drivers

The Rust version of the semaphore driver is around 50% bigger than its C counterpart

this is one more concern I'd have, hopefully rust will get some more facilities to allow smaller binaries

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linux runs on some veeeeery tight spaces, the core shouldn't be allowed to get too large

i wonder why that is

eh, who knows except the guys who made the thing

yeah, cant see the code xd

I'd guess it's either some standard library cruft or some error handling cruft, assuming the original driver is also compiled by LLVM the IR generation is usually equivalent or better for rust

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s/LLVM/clang/

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s/also//

https://github.com/Rust-for-Linux/linux/blob/rust/drivers/android/allocation.rs

Rust-for-Linux/linux

Adding support for the Rust language to the Linux kernel. - Rust-for-Linux/linux

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i found it

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i think this is the binder

NeXus

Does it prevent spotify ads?

idk

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i dont use spotify myself

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i listen to youtube autoplay, with a adblocker and a user script to accept "are you there?" by annoying youtube

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and thus my experience is flawless

yt only works best if u know what songs u want to listen to

https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/xcWbzTdypd/

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this is the script

louis

yt only works best if u know what songs u want to listen to

lol noi

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youtube knows me really well

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and i always find hidden gems

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i bet they know me way better than spotify xd

maybe cause u use it a lot more

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but for me youtube algorithm isn't good for songs

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its great for playlists

idk

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i guess its cuz i only listen to music on yt

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i dont rly watch videos

cause it has basically every song unlike spotify or sc

@Ryozuki wtf but why

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scuffed music experience

??

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how is it scuffed

high quality youtube audio

i dont think its much worse

lol

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why dont you just use spotify or any music platform?

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instead of scripts, adblock

Ryozuki: ah useful script i guess but it never really bothered me so much

and all that stuff

because i dont want to pay for music

you dont have to

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I dont pay

i dont want ads

where did u slap that script in?

on desktop its 30 seconds every 30mins

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on mobile its bad I agree

ChillerDragon violentmonkey extension

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ChillerDragon come back to irc

element is so nice

NeXus

on desktop its 30 seconds every 30mins

those 30 secs are not worth

ChillerDragon weechat better

People who listen music on youtube are weird imo

uhm

ChillerDragon did u know matrix is kinda centralized, since everyone uses the main servere

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it always happens with federated stuff

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its sad

well

im a weirdo then

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im also a weeb

YEP

greenthing

fits

its kinda convienient that there are main servers imo

defeats the federated purpose

i dont mind some centralization

imagine the fbi closes it

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all will lose it

one could argue ddnet is very centralized

cuz nobody rly federated

its still cool

actually ddnet is very open about its data

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so its easy to recover

if fbi closes it we open new

btw u should leave freenode

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come to libera.chat #ddnet

Ryozuki

on windows*

indeed SDL does support fullscreen without minimize: https://wiki.libsdl.org/SDL_HINT_VIDEO_MINIMIZE_ON_FOCUS_LOSS but its buggy on windows, and thats something weird with windows as it doesnt even work with dx12 :/ and for some reason its better in debug mode xD

SDL_HINT_VIDEO_MINIMIZE_ON_FOCUS_LOSS

The Simple Directmedia Layer Wiki

monkalaugh

Ryozuki

@Learath2 do u happen to know what does gfx_async_render_old

it makes the client not continue the simulation, before the current graphics buffer isnt completly handled... so basically wait for it to finish(which creates delay, as the simulation is then outdated)

ab.com

btw (i know this is for developers) but is nvidia optimus not changing between 2 g cards automaticaly normal?

if you lucky u can request different cards with vulkan, but not with opengl

NeXus

high quality youtube audio

wat

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theres not much difference tbh

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unless u are an audiophile

did u know some headphones play some kind of music better than others

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some excel at bass

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and some on x shit

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this is specially noticeable on electronic music xd

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atleast for me

hm yes

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it depends

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also on how the song is mixed

Deleted User

if you lucky u can request different cards with vulkan, but not with opengl

i dont know what that means

vulkan could mean, a program, manufacturer or a gawk gawk 3000 machine to me

that means currently not possible

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except u didnt mean related to ddnet

@Deleted User for a friend of mine, the borderless window mode doesn't work if they select the full resolution

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it takes ages to tab out and in (on windows)

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it seems that despite the borderless window mode being selected, it's using fullscreen

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got any idea what might cause this?

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(selecting a lower resolution with borderless window on fixes the problem, and it's actually a borderless window then)

heinrich5991

@Deleted User for a friend of mine, the borderless window mode doesn't work if they select the full resolution

on windows? i dunno its a bit strange on windows but i think borderless with desktop resolution is like a special case on windows, as the taskbar is not visible. Maybe internally its like fullscreen

NeXus

People who listen music on youtube are weird imo

millions if not thousands are weirdos then (edited)

imagine paying to listen to music

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