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Algun chileno?

@Ryden https://ddnet.tw/tournaments/56/

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759545627843100683/836053635540582400/insane_clip.mp4

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louis

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759545627843100683/836053635540582400/insane_clip.mp4

best shit ive seen recently

louis

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759545627843100683/836053635540582400/insane_clip.mp4

give map and i'll tas

louis

yes, it skipped like half of the map

you guys are leaving cuts that skips whole map like « unbalanced »

louis

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759545627843100683/836053635540582400/insane_clip.mp4

i just keep playing the video over and over, am I mentally ill?

Headshot

give map and i'll tas

U didn't even tas my record bot map yet

hello my game crashes when it enters the multieaysmap game

07:17

@Skeith

07:17

I wonder what is the solution

07:20

@TsFreddie

07:20

@tela

@Deleted User

Post in #bugs and stop @ ing everyone @{¦?¦} 𝓟𝓸𝓢𝓮İ𝓓𝓸𝓝{¦?¦}

he tought moderators can help him probably

APFFF

Releasing Brutals and forcing teams gives me the bad vibe. I want the Stronghold vibe

There are a few different vibes on ddnet. No one forces you to play maps you don't like :P

WHAT THE FUCK

07:58

i just get banned by a kog server

07:59

for doing nothing

07:59

lol

if u spam hook you will get auto banned

but i didn't even get spam hook

08:02

i just start play and someone start a vote to kick me

08:02

and than other press f3

kog voting system be like

idc kog sux anyways

Learath2

There are a few different vibes on ddnet. No one forces you to play maps you don't like :P

You should run 2 tournaments parallel to each other, one for the majority who would be more capable of doing an easier map and another for those who want to do brutal. Its just a loss of interest having a tournament that the majority cant do.

Eeh, parallel is a bad idea imo, but we can alternate between harder and easier maps

we should probably have more tournaments like rollercoaster i remember it being really nice

ye

10:12

rollercoaster was nice

Hm Kinda hard to evaluate the Tournament Map cuz the server got often ddosed and I think some Tournament should be as Faily as this one

‍♂️. Tbh the Map was fine

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HaHAxD

Hm Kinda hard to evaluate the Tournament Map cuz the server got often ddosed and I think some Tournament should be as Faily as this one

‍♂️. Tbh the Map was fine

Funny how the one's that

are the 1% of the community

Faily? Almost impossible for most of the community. (edited)

<BµmM>

rollercoaster was nice

rekt by xeno

Nah pretty Sure at least 20% of the Community is skilled enougth for this Map. Also the Community should Always try to Challenge the Players.

SPYRES

Funny how the one's that

are the 1% of the community

Faily? Almost impossible for most of the community. (edited)

just beacuse you dont see very good player often it doesnt mean they are not there i would say 70 of the people who play the game cant finish it

11:00

if u play on novice/moderate servers ofc you not gonna see many good player and if you play brutal/insane maps you will see a lot more good players

SPYRES

Funny how the one's that

are the 1% of the community

Faily? Almost impossible for most of the community. (edited)

the 1% are who finish maps like memento mori, grim reaper, heartcore 2 and stuff like that

the tourny was gay

FWIW it's mostly that mappers seem to prefer making harder maps (probably because it's harder to make something new and interesting in novice). Look at the map testing section, there is only one novice in testing right now

11:28

(and only 2 already evaluated, if we want more easier tournaments, we need mappers willing to map them) (edited)

kinda hard to make a tournament that caters to moderate players because brutal players will just wipe the floor with them. the solo tourney was good though. but this 3 player 3* brutal full of ddos was a bit of a disaster xd

the ddos we just can't do anything about

uh

11:33

guys

Blade

kinda hard to make a tournament that caters to moderate players because brutal players will just wipe the floor with them. the solo tourney was good though. but this 3 player 3* brutal full of ddos was a bit of a disaster xd

Let them wipe the floor, who cares, everyone gets to enjoy the map that way

11:34

Think of it like running a marathon, everyone knows the professionals will smoke them but they still run the race

true

ez map?

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cant smoke in a race when most people cant pass the start line :P (edited)

As if a novice tournament is interesting for the community

no its not but maybe 5* moderate

11:47

however a 5* novice can be fun for a tourny because it will be a speedrun for best time within an hour or so. some speedrunners are not brutal players so could be fun

For speedrunning ? Some people aren’t good enough to speedrun, so we should get rid of this idea too according to Spyres

11:48

Idk some people aren’t into speedrunning, and since there are a lot of ddos, it would be even worse if it’s for a speedrun

im curious to know how many teams actually finished in the tournament.

3 teams but a lot gave up due to ddos just like i did

11:48

That’s not ddnet’s fault though

yea 3 teams, that answers all my questions

chile players would have won

11:49

but theirt server crashed

So what, should we delete the hardest maps on ddnet just because some players aren’t able to finish them ?

and many other teams died of lagg aswell

Fluday

For speedrunning ? Some people aren’t good enough to speedrun, so we should get rid of this idea too according to Spyres

The point would be to get more people racing, not all people. People with arthritis can't run, we still have marathons

'some players'? only 9 finished lol

That’s just ridiculous the goal is to challenge the best players in order to@improve the average level as well

Learath2

The point would be to get more people racing, not all people. People with arthritis can't run, we still have marathons

Yeah but like idk, the good players wouldn’t be that interested in speedrunning novice maps in my opinion

anyway, I think there is a place for both kinds of tournaments, just like there is both the world cup for soccer and small local leagues

Well @SPYRES without the ddos there would have Been at least 10teams

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Fluday

Yeah but like idk, the good players wouldn’t be that interested in speedrunning novice maps in my opinion

I disagree, but even if you are right about that they don't have to play if they don't want to. (With the massive amount of ego our pro players have they'd pretty much jump on any chance to show off how good they are

)

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Learath2

anyway, I think there is a place for both kinds of tournaments, just like there is both the world cup for soccer and small local leagues

Agree on this one, it could be funny, football is a really cool mod

Learath2

anyway, I think there is a place for both kinds of tournaments, just like there is both the world cup for soccer and small local leagues

Do football xd

Tbh the Map was good for a Tournament, Not tooo ez so No First try finishes and Not too hard so No finishes at all. And some parts were also Kinda Tricky

SPYRES

'some players'? only 9 finished lol

Idk if you are trolling on purpose or you just dont understand. There would have been way more finishes on this map without the ddos. Ddos is destroying most of the tourney results.

Also we never Had a 3 PPL Team Tournament so why not

when 2on2 football tournament?

I honestly didn't play this tournament but brutal 3* sounds like one I'd enjoy if not for ddos

Learath2

I honestly didn't play this tournament but brutal 3* sounds like one I'd enjoy if not for ddos

I gave up but map looked really interesting and finishable

i think it was more of a 4* ngl

The main issue here is the ddos not the difficulty of the map, but that’s not ddnet’s fault

brutal 3* is just right for me, not so hard that I need to go very slow and not so easy that it's boring (though rating is more an art so who knows if this was correctly rated)

Na 3* was fins

Learath2

I disagree, but even if you are right about that they don't have to play if they don't want to. (With the massive amount of ego our pro players have they'd pretty much jump on any chance to show off how good they are

)

Well that hits the nail right on the head

Fine*

11:55

Isnt the system now fine? We have some easy Speedrace Maps and some Harder Maps for the pros to Challenge each other

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Learath2

I disagree, but even if you are right about that they don't have to play if they don't want to. (With the massive amount of ego our pro players have they'd pretty much jump on any chance to show off how good they are

)

Yeah maybe some players but a lot of good players aren’t that sweaty ahah

Fluday

Yeah maybe some players but a lot of good players aren’t that sweaty ahah

uhm yes?

And pretty Sure there are also some less good Players who likes to See the More skilled ones

HaHAxD

Isnt the system now fine? We have some easy Speedrace Maps and some Harder Maps for the pros to Challenge each other

Well we don't have many maps (especially in tournaments) that many of the newer players can even think of running in

The map was absolute not the problem! It was a really cool map. Finally something else again. You had to relate on every player in the team. That is the big problem for newer players. There is no backup. You just have to perform. That made the tourney morw interesting in my opinion

Fluday

Yeah maybe some players but a lot of good players aren’t that sweaty ahah

ik like 5 pro players who arent tryharding and actually playing (edited)

The solo a tournament or so ago was a bit of an outlier

I.K.U

ik like 5 pro players who arent tryharding and actually playing (edited)

Some are tryharding in order to finish a map, but they don’t like to speedrun

11:57

I know a lot of pro players in this case actually

11:57

But y maybe Learath is right about the ego thing

luckily i have smal ego and only toxic af sometimes

(edited)

Fluday

But y maybe Learath is right about the ego thing

I mean even if I'm not that also works, no? Gives weaker players a chance to actually win a tournament

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11:59

Anyway, I wish there was a solution to the ddos so we could all enjoy the game but some amogus were dropped on their heads as babies

Learath2

I mean even if I'm not that also works, no? Gives weaker players a chance to actually win a tournament

You seriously believe that weaker players will have a chance if there are guys like coradax rockus brokecxd speedrunning ?

broke and rockus barely play tournaments

12:00

i never saw them playing

Well with a Timelimit there is Always some Kind of Like involved

Fluday

You seriously believe that weaker players will have a chance if there are guys like coradax rockus brokecxd speedrunning ?

I meant if people like coradax rockus and brokecdx don't want to play on the easy tournaments like you initially predicted (edited)

It doesnt matter what tourney difficult you provide. There will always be a small circle of players who will dominate certain modes. This will not change... No matter the difficulty

Learath2

I meant if people like coradax rockus and brokecdx don't want to play on the easy tournaments like you initially predicted (edited)

Coradax is actually a hell of a tryharder xd but y

12:15

@Stepfunn just dont stream so we all can play without ddos next tournament

wtf is nld

netherlands

ᶰ°Konͧsti

fv

Im 'corneum

U didn't even tas my record bot map yet

neither have i finished designing it justatest

Gorden

@Stepfunn just dont stream so we all can play without ddos next tournament

Why? I had alot of fun when only ur team got targeted by the ddos. Seems like not even the ddosers like you.

Stepfunn

Why? I had alot of fun when only ur team got targeted by the ddos. Seems like not even the ddosers like you.

that's harsh

Very sad that this time it was again so extreme with ddos

Fluday

that's harsh

he doesnt like him since adren 4 run

12:49

so they trash talk eachother nonstop

ohh okey, well i have nothing against both of them though

guys fucking help please im on my lan test server and i dont know how 'd even do these parts

It's a swing boi

put him on edge go up swing and then hook him up with the swing speed

12:54

as i remember

wait what

12:54

im like p brained

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12:55

2

12:55

is it like this?

12:56

and also this part

12:56

that one just throw him up and go under

bro im so fucking dumb

13:03

holy shit

13:03

i cant believe it

I think u need maps that require brain for tournaments if u dont want to gift the living bots the win

13:06

And im talking about actual brain, not strange physics

For us the evening yesterday was very entertaining, despite ddos, to see how people have problems to relatively simple parts

Was a really nice event. Thanks for the map man. Without ddos it would haven been even better lcsg47Love

(edited)

Thanks @Cøke and also thanks for streaming @Stepfunn

Thx @Stepfunn

13:28

There will 100% be a second part, and we will find out about ddos protection.... It would be cool if you are at least protected in tournaments

{¦?¦} 𝓟𝓸𝓢𝓮İ𝓓𝓸𝓝{¦?¦}

hello my game crashes when it enters the multieaysmap game

Windows 32bit? F1 in game and type gfx_opengl_major 1 Then restart

Deleted User

Windows 32bit? F1 in game and type gfx_opengl_major 1 Then restart

Nope he already said it's 64b in #bugs and we tried gl1

But it's gfx

@Cøke really nice map yesterday. even tho i could only enjoy it as a puzzle

Thanks @Im 'corneum

Maybe we should add the zillyhuhn solution for ddos

14:02

That you have to enter a site to get whitelisted

we should add the final solution for ddosers

But have it in the client

solve ddrace captcha

doesn't help when we can't filter arbitrary amounts of traffic

how bout for tournaments some servers u need to sign up before u join

14:04

does that work

we can filter up to the size of the link we have, which is 4g for the NLD server which is the biggest

14:04

the attacks we get exceed 4g so no amount of smart filtering will help

Couldnt you just block that directly with a whitelist ?

Where? There is no point in blocking it when it already reached our server

Ok No idea how that works so thanks for answering

Think of it like a water pipe that's full

14:09

If you want extra water at your house you need bigger pipes, you can't just put a filter at the end to keep out the "bad water"

I understood it now that you cant filter it when it already clogged up the server

The server itself is usually fine btw, it can handle the full amount of traffic we receive (and there are things we could do to help it if it ever gets overwhelmed)

14:11

The problem is that when we are getting a massive ddos, a huge amount of useless traffic clogs the line and anything that's more than the size of our line is dropped. So actual players packets get dropped which cause the lag

14:12

People like cloudflare have MASSIVE lines, you pay them a lot of money, they take the traffic for you, clean it up and send you only a reasonable amount of it

We had cloudfare here before and it lagged the servers

Cloudflare’s 59 Tbps network blocks an average of 57 billion threats per day, including some of the largest DDoS attacks in history.

14:13

59tbs

59 Tbps is like 20 times the size of nforce's entire network btw (edited)

its a bit sad that the only way to solve a bruteforcing attack is by bruteforcing the deffense

5 times OVH, still massive but we don't host this one on ovh

14:15

The actual way would of course be legislation. ISPs that let out spoofed packets should be punished for it

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Learath2

The actual way would of course be legislation. ISPs that let out spoofed packets should be punished for it

there would always be a country that allows that

If one of the massive backbones would start enforcing this they would fix this BS real fucking quick

the solution has to come from a technical side rather than politics

14:16

never rely on politics

14:17

unless i missundertood how isps work

Well the companies that own these backbones are usually massive intercontinental corporations, so a very rich guy with more than 10 braincells would also help

xd

14:17

the top brass is never tech savvy

EU is a massive powerhouse here, they actually have enough member states to actually enforce something like this

the top brass is never tech savvy

14:18

they are usually psychos who know how to make use of others

14:18

no joke

if DE-CIX just announces that it'll cut-off ISPs that bring in spoofed traffic you'll see how quick the richppl of other countries will react

why dont we just take the ddos and move it somewhere else. or hold hands and pray it gone

Let's do a prayer circle

yeah praying solves everything

Let's do a prayer circle

yeah praying solves everything

wait where do ppl even got botnets

14:20

do they just get viruses on other ppls computers

Or ritual sacrifice of the ddosers to summon cthulhu

go to Saint Konsti's church every sunday

14:20

and pray

Or ritual sacrifice of the ddosers to summon cthulhu

louis

wait where do ppl even got botnets

well it's not always botnets, it's usually servers with massive uplinks on very questionable hosters

14:21

They can afford to pay for massive uplinks because they sell the bandwidth to multiple people

louis

wait where do ppl even got botnets

im sure i could build my own botnet, the way to do it is not that hard if u know a bit of programming and networking i guess

if it is indeed a botnet it's usually viruses yeah

i wont say more cuz heinrich doesnt like it

14:21

if it is indeed a botnet it's usually viruses yeah

shouldnt there be a way to prevent ip spoofing

me and the homies praying for ddos to stop.

my video?

ye

ddos should stop soon, i already asked allah for help

the biggest botnet in recent history was probably mirai, did around 600 gbps with ease using hacked fridges and shit

ddos should stop soon, i already asked allah for help

the biggest botnet in recent history was probably mirai, did around 600 gbps with ease using hacked fridges and shit

14:23

600gbps is so massive that Akamai had to drop Krebs' blog

14:23

2x prayer

did vali make his own with botclients?

Ryozuki

Click to see attachment 🖼️

ameno

14:23

did vali make his own with botclients?

Learath2

the biggest botnet in recent history was probably mirai, did around 600 gbps with ease using hacked fridges and shit

the first known botnet wasnt a malicious one btw

14:24

it was used to map the internet

14:24

in the early days

14:25

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carna_botnet

Carna botnet

The Carna botnet was a botnet of 420,000 devices created by an anonymous hacker to measure the extent of the Internet in what the creator called the “Internet Census of 2012”.

14:25

beutiful

14:25

well idk if the first known

14:25

and idk if its this one exactly

14:25

i remember this on a video

I doubt this was the first botnet, 2012 sounds way too late

ah it was this

14:26

well not the first

14:26

but a interesting one

14:26

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IitFuPm_sb4&list=PLtN43kak3fFEEDNo0ks9QVKYfQpT2yUEo&index=13

Jack Rhysider

Ep 13: Carna Botnet

14:26

video about it

14:27

from my fav podcast

14:27

from my fav podcast

this is one thing I never tried, security research sounds fun but there are only a handful of jobs out there for it so your career plan is either getting hired by a handful of companies or joining the dark side and making cheats for games

xd

or becoming a ransomware author

Learath2

this is one thing I never tried, security research sounds fun but there are only a handful of jobs out there for it so your career plan is either getting hired by a handful of companies or joining the dark side and making cheats for games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dkRG3WlAR8&list=PLtN43kak3fFEEDNo0ks9QVKYfQpT2yUEo&index=7

Jack Rhysider

Ep 7: Manfred Part 1: Hacking Online Video Games for Fun