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Between 2021-04-22 00:00:00Z and 2021-04-23 00:00:00Z

I have a question what is the difference with ddmax oldschool and classic map (Why a map is in ddmax or oldschool and not in novice brutal or other)

different eras of race maps (maps that predate ddnet)

03:14

think oldschool are maps before ddracemax (ddmax) and then after is ddmax, then the rest

03:14

@Skurt NapeZ

Yeah i've wondered how that's organized as well. Oldschool and ddmax both seem to have a lot of release dates between 2013-2015. I guess oldschool were the 'creative' maps that got put on ddrace server while ddmax still was around? Maybe before a rating system was put in place? There's also novices/mods/brutals/race with a 2014 release date. I'd like to hear somebody from back then explain the timeline.

07:36

since some ddmax have no release date at all or release dates in 2020 I'd guess the dates on ddnet.tw aren't the original dates they came out on ddmax server

@tela carry me

oki

@tela that are ddnet release dates the maps have been all released before ddnet

oldschool is everything before ddnet that wasnt on ddmax

that makes sense

07:41

when was race then?

always

07:42

since 2010 or smth

i see

07:45

figured they were way old cuz only rocket/no freeze etc

what year did ddmax start?

Couldn't find ddmax on archive.org, found https://web.archive.org/web/20100713174741/http://www.ddrace.info/ instead from 11 years ago. Maybe @Tsin remembers

DDRace mod for Teeworlds - About

DDRace is the most popular teeworlds race mod

08:23

The changelog is unconventional: https://web.archive.org/web/20111101012846/http://www.ddrace.info/?Downloads%2FChangelog:Server (probably the 404 page) (edited)

still really cool that that exists though

how?

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Go up left and fall down right with speed from your dummy

Skeith

Updated pic lol

@Schokio

how do i avoid desync while copyfly?

good ping

good internet

yeah ive seen ppl who desync every like 2 hammers

09:54

map is just not do-able for them

does anyone have some reference on how to precisely render/draw tees? (position, size of body parts, if possible also walking animation etc.) I'm trying to find some nice entry point in the source code, but so far I don't really understand much :)

depends on what u call precise

13:54

it always renders the mid of the "whole" body texture, so the mid of the 96px imagine inside the skin png but since the body isnt exactly at the mid, it doesnt render it so you can easily make the tee center anything

13:54

ddnet has a function to calculate that tho, you can look how the scoreboard does it for example

13:54

ah and it also moves parts depending on the animation (edited)

13:56

for example idle anim moves the body 4 up

right now i want to manually put together a tee, using the skin image

13:58

so now i need e.g. the position and size of the eyes, relative to the body

ok i'd just do it like this: aim at the center of all textures individually and then move them like the idle anim is done so move body 4/64 up move feets 7/64 down left feet -10/64 left other +10/64

14:00

ah no, it moves 10/64 down

14:00

and 7/64 left and right

14:00

at a tee size of 64 pixels

oh that looks really good, thanks :) I don't understand those values yet tho ^^, what is 64/64?

that would be a tee at the exact size of 64 floating point units

14:02

thats the default in teeworlds

14:02

but ofc only in that specific matrix used at rendering

@Patiga what do you want to do with that ? Because i would need that too i want to make an nft

so if you have 5:4 screen e.g. ur tee looks smalelr even if it from pure math has the same size

14:03

so if you use 96pixel per body you could say inside 64 floatingpoints that whole body must fit

@Ama whats nft? I'm currently trying to make a nice tee in blender

its like normalization basically

@Patiga digital artwork on a blockchain pretty much trading cards like pokemon or topps

so if you just use the body texture, you can basically ignore that value i think, the 1/64 scale

@Patiga https://wax.atomichub.io/ here is a marketplace for it

AtomicHub - Interface for the EOSIO AtomicAssets NFT standard

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bcs then it just multiplies 64 * 1/64

@Deleted User ah, so the 64/64 is the size of the body texture of the skin image? -> the entire big square

so let me rephrase it, if you scale the body down, u also need to scale that animation down xd

14:07

skins are splitted body e.g. is 64 x 64 but feets are 64 x 32

14:07

or

14:07

32 x32 dunno rn

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yeah, so if you just want to render it to 96pixels, i'd upscale the animation too

14:09

96/64

14:09

if u say 1 floating point = 1 pixel

alright, so the size of the body is 1 unit (lets say 96 pixels of that image)

14:10

so now i move the body 4 * (96 / 64) up?

yeah i'd say that would work

aw nice, then i finally think that i understand your values :D

14:12

what I also noticed is that the feet are too small on the image and they seem to be larger in-game, do you happen to know those scaling values as well?

yeah

14:13

bcs it asumes 96 pixels for the width i think

14:13

but let me check, i cant remember

14:14

yeah i guess the original creator did something wrong there and now the feets are upscaled to 96pixles

14:14

i mean they not really upscaled

14:14

but in the normalized units they have the same scale as the body

14:14

in width

ah, so since the width of the feet is 2/3 of that of the body, i need to use the factor 1.5 (since 2/3 * 1.5 = 1)? (edited)

yeah xd

thanks :D, do the eyes or the arm also need to be scaled?

eyes are 64 * 0,4

14:18

their scaling is really weird xd

o.o

the hand is rendered seperatly

I did some digging a while ago also and converted to %

body: 66%
feet: 100%
eyes: 80%

(edited)

is that calculated?

body is 96x96 scaled down to 64x64, feet stay at 64x32 and eyes was smth weird like scaling up and then down and it came up to 40%

oi thats really handy, but it doesn't seem to align with the previous values

that's as far as I got xd positions I just did some weird stuff in game

ah

rendered a skin at really high res with stripes that correspond to 1px and looked what stuff lines up

ah, scaling the body from 96x96 to 64x64 should be 66.6% tho i think

might be

14:24

it's the same width in game as feet

body: 100%
feet: 150%
eyes: 120%
eye blink: 45%
hand: 93.75%

(edited)

I wouldn't upscale feet tho

14:25

that's why I had those as 100%

just downscale whole image xddd

awesome, all those values should be enough to get started, thanks @Deleted User @Ravie :) I'll get back to this topic once i encounter problems or got all that done :)

or wait I was reading some conflicted old file, well nvm

14:33

@Patiga if you just want a static foot position then this should be correct

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nice i never knew what the black thing was next to the body on a skin image, that is the outline that is rendered behind the tee?

yes black shadows are behind body+feet

14:38

hands too maybe idk

all the black things are the same as the part they correspond to, they're just behind everything to make this illusion of outline

ah, thats good to know

Can i get banned on this server

You can just leave dont have to ask for ban

No im not saking for a ban

14:49

I'm asking ab ban

i have a question some time i joined server and i found "PlantKnight" playing wiith hes dummy and afk person and he triple fly with hes dummy i said how u do that h said ask ddnet wth ?

he probably just uses dummy copy moves

Deleted User

i have a question some time i joined server and i found "PlantKnight" playing wiith hes dummy and afk person and he triple fly with hes dummy i said how u do that h said ask ddnet wth ?

You can do that with toggling hammerfly after each hit and hooking towards the third tee with the second tee (idk if it was clear)

when someone is trying to bring down a server, I speak in the reports?

i think so

20:01

typically i just see people flocking to general to report server-related issues though lol

20:02

normally someone mentions deen and then deen gets sad

Reporting a ddos isn't really that useful, if someone is saying they're going to ddos, that's a bit different.

also i checked the channel topic, its rly only for mod stuff

Deleted User

i have a question some time i joined server and i found "PlantKnight" playing wiith hes dummy and afk person and he triple fly with hes dummy i said how u do that h said ask ddnet wth ?

https://youtu.be/hSUIMAu_Zr8

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